Testing MM Concerns (RACING) w/

My honest opinion is that when it comes to racing a lot of the ships feel like a huge downgrade, BUT I believe it comes down to ship to ship balance. What do you think?

[@0Metatron]

I love the traversal around the verse with MM but. My main gripe with MM is the fact that when you boost and let go it artificially pulls your speed back down even when in decoupled. That one change would improve MM massively. There are so many good things about it but this is a big issue for the the way it feels and plays

[@Jakodin]

As a racer, I appreciate your opinion highlighted at 7:24 ❤ also yeah the fury doesn't feel the same cos the tri-chording nerfs messed up the way the fury flies... And the lack of NAV mode just makes it too slow to race anything other than snake pit

[@mrbaglog]

I agree with your take- the Gladius has had the most amount of time as a MM ship, and so when it is a clearly superior choice for racing that definitely points to a “we ran out of time” situation. How to tune is going to be interesting to watch. I would love to see the answer be something like 70% innate to the ship and 30% components. So maybe I can make the most racing-est Aurora ever, but and the end of the day I still have the space equivalent of a lowered Honda civic with an after market exhaust. Better than other civics, but still not favored to win in Le Mans. Regardless, I really respect racers and combat pilots for finding these issues, though. Space Dads like me are never going to push the envelope of ship performance. Just like in our world today, high performance environments like combat and racing can really stress test people and technology.

[@mrbaglog]

One more thought… in the last SC Live show they did with the the UI team, Bones (BONES) pointed out that one of the reasons why it can take a while for a seemingly simple fix to appear is that they are always trying to find a systemic fix vs a band-aid. I can see racing in particular exposing some sticky issues and finding a design pattern that makes sense is going to take more time. “Just tune the racing ships” may be a deeper problem than we know. This would be a good time for someone at CIG to do a really candid discussion of this just like the guy did for the cargo elevator (which should be the new measuring stick for all CIG communications going forward).

[@SkySharkX2]

There should have been at least more balanced than this. Saw this coming a mile a way when they barely tested racing MM and the fact that only combat ships seemed to have gotten a bulk of balance. This really shouldn’t be a default stats and then tweak over time type of deal even if it means. An extra year to add it

[@Citizen-Nurseman]

imo its really easy to fix Racing in Master modes. Take the M50, the Razor and any other racing ship and remove their weapon points and shield gens completely into a pure racing variant (then you can keep the M50 as a pure interceptor for example, which it is in lore etc) Then CIG have a logical point to say "this isn't a ship that's got less mess for bringing less with it, its a purpose built racing ship, every circuit that was dedicated to shields and weapons is now dedicated to racing in every way" And then you can hypertune the racer ships to be less drifty etc, give them completely different numbers to tehir combat versions; because all the logic of decreasing speeds etc in MM for combat won't apply, because no guns....no combat. (Yes you can become the size 9 torpedo, but thats true regardless) The Fury LX is the only racing ship that is purely racing, and I see no reason why it can't have really strongly different numbers to the armed furies)

[@julecourtright]

Seems like racing ships need NAV mode even though they have no QT drives. That and balancing, not a big deal, but its not fun to lose gameplay in ships you may like.

[@Sacred421]

400 with no weapons or armor. Maybe a very basic shield. More of a shield to help nudge small debris .

[@Sacred421]

I don't need a qd for snubs. I just need to be able to place a marker to fly towards. Tbh, it doesn't take too long to fly around a moon but without a marker, it's pointless.

[@itsbadlols]

ugh everything is broken xD im just getting a gladius for all my in atmo needs, apparently..

[@papascronch]

Your wings are still tucked in so your thrusters on the fury were not kicking out to full range of motion. I have no idea why the fury defaults to wings in configuration in AC, but its troll dude.

[@willforrette3923]

Are your fury’s wings deployed? It would be weird to not deploy them in AC by default but the status MFD you have shows them tucked in

[@papascronch]

AC is big fucked his wings were definitely not auto deployed

[@Citizen-Nurseman]

btw excellent response to Tony

[@itsdibbles]

i hate that the furys spawn with the wings stowed lol

[@ophelia1867]

at the very least, snub ships should have maps available so you can find bases and stations.... I mean, WTH?

[@Chapkin_]

It feels to drifty because they removed trichording. Most people just don't understand what we have lost by removing trichording.

[@iroquoisplissken3583]

So 3.23 gladius is good for racing, shit for combat…nice.

[@lcnevar]

If there will be no surfaces it is pointless to race in atmosphere.

[@BardaWulf824]

Lol berks tell me why racing ships are better for combat but fighters are better for racing 😅 somethings mixed up there

[@retrowrath9374]

Just wait a few patches, people act like CIG isn't going to tune it all in, SC Community need to stop pressuring CIG for stuff they're actually doing, as for MM, yeah ok, throw it all away for the people that don't like it, watch them moan at how long the game is taking and delays, they're part of the problem unfortunately.