Testing the EVA1 - Example Footage & Comparison to Canon, Sony and Blackmagic

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[@ChristianBMeza]

This was extremely informative! Thanks for taking the time to do multiple tests and composing them in a video that is incredibly easy to understand. I've waited for a video like this for months.

[@ProAVTV]

+ChristianMezaMedia Thanks! Glad you liked it. Carl

[@ntouched]

So the Ursa Mini Pro with only Contrast and Saturation adjustment is right there at the top (something really good about that camera)!!!! Too bad you didn't include the Ursa Mini Pro in the Overexposure Test....Just talking about Image, the Ursa Mini Pro is a very good buy!!!

[@GlavenMaven]

All these comments and (so far) none mentioning the cute baby! Allow me.....awwww cute baby. 😊

[@br8ren581]

they need a babystabilzer on the stabilzer test, baby shaking so much

[@sanketss84]

Thanks a ton for the detailed comparison , really helpful in clearing all my doubts about the EVA1. The Dual Pixel AF on C200 is absolutely essential for my workflow and I guess that helps me narrows down my choice.

[@hoodaffairstv]

The Eva 1 will bee at 400 mbps and 5.7k raw in early 2018 though, can't forget that

[@ProAVTV]

+hoodaffairstv Yep, the 400mbps Intra frame codec will be great to have!

[@aestheticstudios3148]

How will this compare to the updates lined up for the c200?

[@tonycapil1022]

Do you know if that raw will be 12bit or just 10bit?

[@JamesJacksonFilmz]

Tony Capil Panasonic said it will be 10 bit only

[@gunnarsandberg1]

12 bit with external recorder though!

[@microbroadcast]

That was a really very useful test, esp. auto-focus & the camera comparison. Thanks for posting.

[@bentonpix]

Nice test! +1 for the URSA Mini Pro! It had the most organic picture of them all. IMO

[@ProAVTV]

It did do well when comparing the image. Just a shame about the ergonomics of the camera. I find the others so much nicer to shoot with. Carl

[@extrashot]

Really nice tests Carl... and clearly a lot of work !!! Useful and informative.

[@ProAVTV]

Thanks Paul! Yeh, it was an intensive few days... Beautiful camera though! Carl

[@WarpedYT]

Awesome comparison !

[@andrewjones-productions]

A very useful review Carl. Your frankness and thoroughness is very much appreciated.

[@ProAVTV]

No problem! Thanks for watching Carl

[@receptxful]

Thanks Carl for the review. Eva1 has that similar look as varicam lt and that's why I pre ordered one, although low light on eva is...meh, okay I guess. C200 raw is a beast!

[@ProAVTV]

I was actually quite impressed with the low light from EVA. Definitely comparable Carl

[@zakforsman]

C200 looked noisier than the EVA1 to my eye.

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

C200 image looked meh. No 10bit unless you're going to RAW is just a deal breaker unfortunately. Ergonomically though it's just great!

[@tonycapil1022]

To be honest they all look good to me for the cost. For me 10bit isn't required for broadcast for any networks I work with. I use raw for certain clients some will only let me use Alexa or Amira.

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Tony Capil very true, only a couple of my clients use 10bit. 98% domestic and international use XDCAM 422 8bit. I think a lot of people just assume 10bit = Broadcast, definitely a plus, but not a requirement right.

[@spiroangelatos4274]

Much-appreciated, Carl...thank you.

[@ProAVTV]

No problem, thanks for watching! Carl

[@stevecooksley]

Great comparisons. I'm looking to step up to one of these and was holding out for the F-mount URSA so I can use my existing Nikon lenses - now I'm having second thoughts!

[@danieljohnpeters]

Great tests and I appreciate the test with other cameras. I like that the EVA1 has stabilisation for handheld as many other cinema cameras don't have this but I have a feeling the C200 will sell more due to RAW available now and the great AF for possible gimbal work. Interested about battery life compared to the C200 and EVA1, I love the Ursa Mini 4.6k but carrying/flying with bricks can be annoying sometimes haha ;)

[@ProAVTV]

They have different strengths and weaknesses. Both great cameras at the end of the day! Battery life should be similar, both have similar power draws and use similar sized batteries. Although i'd give the edge to the EVA as you can get 3rd party options like SWIT batteries which makes things cheaper. Carl

[@jonathanfarber]

Daniel, have you tried the C200 yet?

[@danieljohnpeters]

Jonathan Farber not yet but soon ;)

[@jonathanfarber]

Although a completely bias canon fanboy, I can attest to it's excellence. If you are up in Cheshire, you can take mine for a spin, plenty of local sights and POI's to put it through its paces.

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Agreed Daniel, my 190w/h batteries are not ok to fly with. Love the 4.6k, but man having smaller batteries would be so nice!

[@MrCarlsonsLab]

Light is your friend! Now compare the ISO range of the above cameras. (dB if you prefer) This one hits hard! "Hint C200"

[@AlbertoBedo]

What about overexposure test for Ursa Mini Pro compared to EVA1? Can we see it? :)

[@ProAVTV]

Didn't have time to do the other cameras unfortunately. Had to leave to meet Cat for the main bit of this video. Time was very pushed as this was all filmed in one day. Carl

[@AlbertoBedo]

Ok. How do you think Ursa Mini Pro would perform compared to EVA1 on DR?

[@michaelrempel9025]

For me the Ursa Mini Pro comparison was far more important than the C200. The difference is in the bit depth. In theory the 12 bit should forgive far more than any of the 10 bit cameras you showed. So in fact you elected to forgo the most important test. That would also be the main reason the Ursa Mini Pro grades so well against the $60k + cameras.

[@SaiKelly]

Interesting thanks for that. The C200 seems to be a bit of a winner for me.

[@NarekAvetisyan]

Cutest camera review I've ever seen. :)

[@ChadWork1]

The EVA footage seems to look yellow for some reason.

[@scottauerbach]

Good start... Additional useful info would be: What gamma/post LUTs have been used on each camera? Were the light sources tuned to 5600K or 3200K? Did you make any attempt to use the grayscale to grade any color bias back to neutral in post? If so, did you also use any official post LUTs that were actually designed for each camera? Was the grading back to "proper" contrast and saturation done just by eye, or by matching the grayscale and color chips? It'd also be nice to have what you'd consider a 'reference photo' of the scene, showing what you'd consider accurate color rendition of all the objects in the scene. Ditto a closeup of the color checker chart, both pre-and post grade.

[@amcorockx]

Good to know that the ursa mini pro still has the best IQ. (just dont use it for events, but for narrative/commercial work)

[@bobuk5722]

Hi Carl. Just been thinking about the AF. It may be that the feedback control system involved is set to be 'critically damped', I think that is the correct technical term, it's been a long time. As a result it gets there quickly, but over shoots in doing so. Think of sports car suspension. This can be mistaken for hunting - or a hard ride. If I'm right it is doing what it is supposed to do, get focussed quick. It is possible to implement these feedback control mechanisms with no over shoot, but then they take a longer time to settle. I appreciate that if contrast AF is used it is also necessary to go past focus to find where it was - exactly as a human operator has to. Bob.

[@ProAVTV]

Possibly, I'm sure Panasonic will try and improve the AF over time with firmware. It wont ever reach the level of the C200 as Canons AF technology is built into the sensor itself Carl

[@astraeusvideo4087]

A non-technical query: what was nice background music 5.15 onwards? Shazam failed to identify. Great video BTW.

[@AllThingsFilm1]

Interesting. I'm running a GH5 now. Looks like an EVA 1 might be next on the list.

[@retinaky]

Carl, Your reviews are really amazing. Thanks for this one as there is a lot of interest in the EVA1 vs the C200. The racking of the focus seems to make continuous AF almost unusable on this camera and it looks to have some of the same tendencies as the GH5 in that regard. I would like to see how much of the highlights you could recover with the C200 using the RAW files without converting them first. Thanks again and keep up the good work!

[@ProAVTV]

It doesnt even have continuous AF, its definitely designed to help you out by giving you a quick button to push to focus your shot up. And it seems good at that, focus was accurate, just lots of hunting. Just tried it with the actual C200 raw and couldn't actually retrieve that much more which is interesting! Glad you liked the video Carl

[@NakeanWickliff]

I was also amazed at other reviews of the c200 and how close the mp4 8bit matched up with the raw given the significant difference in data rate. Ughh...gonna be hard for me to choose between c200 and eva1

[@retinaky]

Nakean Wickliff I rented the C200 a few weeks back. The AF is pretty amazing. When comparing the RAW files to the GH5 VLOG after the firmware upgrade, I found the canon files to be more versatile. Was interested to hear that Carl didn’t get much more out of them than converting to ProRes. I still opted for the Canon C200 over the Panasonic based primarily on the AF.

[@NakeanWickliff]

John Kitchens I’m a big gimbal person and see myself gravitating to the c200 as well. I don’t find it all that strange that the flexibility was lost after converting to ProRes from raw and it also depends on what flavor of ProRes that was used. 12bit 4:4:4 probably quite a bit different than 10bit 4:2:2

[@sahwah0797]

I prefer the C200 look

[@arbous65]

Thanks for the comparison. Definitely helpful. I would be interested to have Ursa mini Pro in the comparison for the low light (I know it is not great and also limited), and also having some very dark areas in the background and generally under-lit and over-exposed areas left in the recordings and then trying to adjust it in the post by gamma curve manipulation to see which ones actually have more leverage for bringing information back without looking noisy and artificial. I hope I'm clear. Thanks again.

[@ProAVTV]

I know, unfortunately I ran out of time for the studio tests otherwise I would have included all the cameras Carl

[@RelaxationWindows]

So the Eva stands up very well against the C200's Mp4, but not so much to the C200's RAW ? hmmmm.... sort of expected but hasn't helped me choose which one to buy !

[@JamesJacksonFilmz]

Relaxation Windows 4K Ultra HD it also seems the c200 has the better color retention and low light, even though the EVA1 has dual iso

[@RelaxationWindows]

sure i can see that with the RAW files from C200, but I am interested in the comparisons of the C200 in it's MP4 files, because it's unrealistic for me (or anyone?) to film in RAW all the time.

[@JamesJacksonFilmz]

Relaxation Windows 4K Ultra HD of course. I agree I think it would be a great test to see

[@CenaUmProducoes]

There is a big difference in color when using the VLog_to_V709_forV35_ver100.cube from Panasonic... much better them just raising saturation and contrast...

[@ProAVTV]

+CenaUmProducoes There is a link to download the footage in the description. Your welcome to have a try! Carl

[@CenaUmProducoes]

I did... that's why i told that... thanks for the test and the files!

[@jdgts]

Thank you for the files!

[@saintmarkspicturesllc3592]

Thanks for doing these tests. Would it be possible to see them all white balanced in the grade to get the most honest flesh tone (no green or magenta bias or as little as possible)? This would give us an idea how well the cameras will grade tone but also how much they distort colors (i.e. Sony's fail on the bike's color).

[@SimplestUsername]

You should try the rolling shutter test in both native ISO's. Cameras with high native ISO's seem to have poor rolling shutter. I think there may be a parallel between the two.

[@ProAVTV]

Interesting idea.. I dont see why the native ISO would affect the sensor read out speed though Carl

[@SimplestUsername]

ProAV TV the whole point of using rolling shutter (vs global) in CMOS sensors is to minimize signal bleed from one photodiode amplifier to another. This signal bleed produces extra noise in the Image. My theory is that they are slowing the rolling shutter to further minimize amp noise to produce a cleaner image at a lower ISO. Then the compression is keeping the dynamic range relatively the same.

[@RelaxationWindows]

5:29 In the slo mo clip, do i see some noise in the shadows of the baby's mouth?

[@ProAVTV]

You do, the 200fps is quite noisy by the looks of things Carl

[@tonycapil1022]

Especially in her hair. It almost looks like FPN.

[@bobuk5722]

Hi Carl. Ahh! Young talent! Makes for an interesting review. I need to watch this all again several times on a rather bigger screen than this tablet, but thank you, really, really useful. Bob.

[@laughatstoners]

I plan on buying the EVA 1 this week. No such thing as a perfect camera but, I feel that it has the qualities I need to enhance my workflow. Really a shame that the autofocus is so poor! I am prepared to use a follow focus most times!

[@ProAVTV]

Excellent, from ProAV I hope? 😉 It is a great camera with a beautiful image Carl

[@tonycapil1022]

Was the c200 transcoded to Clog 2 for maximum dynamic range? Also was the ABB(auto black balance) done before hand? Thanks for a wonderful review.

[@ProAVTV]

+Tony Capil No, it was raw, using Clog 3 and then converted to prores. Clog 2 does have more dynamic range but it’s mainly in the shadows. And so shouldn’t have affected this test much. Didn’t do an ABB, but now you point it out I should have. As I said in the review, not a scientific test. Carl

[@theanswer3574]

Hey Carl! What camera would you recommend to shoot a Netflix Original film? The EVA 1 or the Canon C200? I’m a little over a low budget and I need a camera under $10K to film. The camera needs to have a true 4K sensor and the footage needs to be shot on 4K 10 bit at 24fps. I was looking at a bunch of cameras and I figure those 2 were the best options. If you have another one in mind don’t hesitate to tell me. Thanks in advance.

[@ProAVTV]

If you are able to shoot in raw, then the C200. That would be the best option in my opinion. If the idea of dealing with raw files is too much, then the EVA would be a great option. Carl

[@NathanVMountain]

Unless there are a of things that have yet to have been mentioned about this camera, i'm a little underwhelmed, I thought from hearing about the specs it would have blown every other cinema camera under £10K out the water but the C200 still seems the best choice to me for picture. Even a GH5 that I own competes with this camera on some level which I didn't think would be possible. Then again I can't afford either but I wish I could and I would get the Canon C200 if given the choice between the two x'D

[@BillStreeter]

Disagree. The C200 really only outperforms the EVA1 in raw which is quite a different matter when you consider workflow and storage media costs. I guess it really depends on the kind of work you are doing. But I would assume that cameras in this price range are mostly used for fast, somewhat low budget fast turn around work--not the kind of stuff that you would normally want to shoot in raw. At least that's my experience.

[@Leo_Terreros]

Yep, you get 15min of raw footage on each cards. So that's really something to think about. Otherwise the 8bit is great but don't compete with the 10bit 4k of the EVA And you have to think about that the CANON raw have to be rendered in Prores to be workable... So yeah.. Lot of storage needed and time in post prod.

[@ProAVTV]

Your right, the raw workflow vs the 150mbps EVA footage has to be taken into consideration here. The raw is better, but the EVA footage is very very good. Carl

[@ProAVTV]

I think if you were expecting it to "Blow every other cinema camera under 10K out of the water" then your sights were set a little high. Canon and Sony make fantastic cameras, matching them or being slightly better is all we could have asked from with the EVA. And its better on pretty much every front than a gh5. Better image, better ergonomics, better features, better everything. Although as a smaller portable option, the GH5 is fantastic dont get me wrong. Carl

[@NathanVMountain]

I understand where you are coming from, and I didn't mean in terms of high end industry production when it comes to GH5, I just meant when it comes to making at most High End KZbin videos or wedding videos that it's highly competitive

[@jasonthomas7309]

Wow, the Ursa Mini Pro looked even better than the Varicam LT. That camera is insane.

[@ProAVTV]

The image during well lit scenes has never been the issue with the Ursa Mini Pro. Fantastic image. Theres still some physical problems that annoy me when filming with it though, and it wont compare to the others once you go higher than ISO 800. But its got a great image Carl

[@tobiaslofi]

Plus the Ursa Mini Pro is HEAVY! It weighs much more than it looks like it would and you wouldn't want to use it for any run-and-gun or event / handheld work. I tried it and was negatively surprised.

[@assassingk]

An Alexa is heavy but that doesn't stop most of your favorite DP's from using it, nor is it the best camera in low light...just saying. In fact, I've found that even a fully rigged out RED or Alexa Mini still ways a lot compared to an Fs7/URSA. and as for the Vari Cam that camera ways a ton!

[@philipbloom]

is that the same clearing as we used before?

[@ProAVTV]

No, although it looks similar!

[@PostColorGear]

Carl, do you live in the woods? You can tell us :)

[@ProAVTV]

... Maybe...Maybe not...

[@RayValdezPhotography]

the best part of the video is when the baby drools! 4k 60p drooling in 10bit color FTW!

[@ProAVTV]

+RayValdezPhotography All the rest of us have been drooling over EVA for months now, why would the baby be any different! 😉 Carl

[@duncanalecfilms]

Is the model wearing lipstick on the FS7II test..? :-D

[@gurugamer8632]

Does the Panasonic AU EVA1 have better image quality than Panasonic AU EVA1?

[@AlexTabachnyy]

Hello :-) A few more questions if you could check when you get a chance please: Is it possible to go into the menus while the camera is recording? Does camera have Stepped or smooth gain switching? Any information on Wireless (Wifi) Video transmission or Video Over Cable LAN? If you could do a recording on the IRIS Steps using Canon EF Lens.

[@DrewRomano]

Between the Eva 1 and the FS7 what camera would you choose. I have the FS7 but am looking for a more hand held cinema camera. But i do not want to sacrifice quality. The FS7 has outstanding image quality in my opinion. So I would like something with equal quality or better. Do you have any thoughts on this?

[@dre66roc]

I know this us off topic but please tell me the name of the music that starts at 7:54

[@ericgirgash3130]

Thanks for the thorough review. Curious, why shoot at such a high ASA in the broad daylight? I think dropping the ASA could alleviate some of the noise....?

[@ProAVTV]

+Eric Girgash We recommend shooting at iso 800 for maximum dynamic range. In the slow motion shots I had to bump up to 3200 iso because of the higher shutter speed. Carl

[@larrydickem]

Can the EVA1 do continuous autofocus while recording?

[@JamesJacksonFilmz]

ProwlaMan Presents yes but its based off the same contrast system thats in the GH5 , which I not reliable on CAF

[@SieBer00]

I have tried to open your sample footage in Resolve, but I only get Media Offline. A colleague of mine only got the audio to open. VLC Player plays all of the files. Did you try it in Resolve and do you know what could be reason?

[@bryantran4464]

Thanks for the test! What picture settings did you use on the FS7? I'm considering using it in future projects but there's some weird stuff going on with the colors of the glassware in the log footage. If it's not too much of a hassle could you upload the original FS7 file? Thanks again for the test!

[@tobiaslofi]

It's a Sony. I've used different Sonys since 2012 and there is always "some weird stuff going on with the colors" in some shots. You just gotta live with it :)

[@vacheffvideography]

The lack of good auto focus and a viewfinder for me is the downside and why I won’t be buying one.

[@ProAVTV]

+Vacheff Videography The autofocus seems reliable and accurate. But not continuous. Only really useful for setting focus before a shot. Carl

[@pbfilms6356]

+Vacheff - couldn't agree more! The eye up to a viewfinder adds that vital third point of contact when shooting handheld. If you've ever shot with run and gun with Canon's DPAF, you'd be hard pressed to go to another camera. It's truly amazing.

[@GurmeetSingh-fr8uo]

How can I match Panasonic AU-EVA1 to my B roll camera Sony A7S III. I do like S Cinetone on Sony and like Scene 2 on EVA1. What is the best method to make the cameras match up? Should I shoot in VLOG and SLOG3? I have no idea 😬

[@gurugamer8632]

Please compare eva1 with fs6.

[@joncon13591]

Thanks for the review, interesting times we live in! I can't find a link to the C200B on your website, where can I buy it in the UK? Cheers, Jon

[@ProAVTV]

The Canon C200B model is not sold in the UK i'm afraid, only in the states. Canon are only offering the normal C200 model over here: www.proav.co.uk/canon-eos-c200-4k-cinema-camera They can remove the VF for you if you really need though. Carl

[@latentspacex]

I am sad how much worse EVA's AF is against C200, but I'm really not happy about the expensive CF cards I would need. Is it possible to go around that with C200? Maybe an external recorder?

[@JamesJacksonFilmz]

Bao Vuong you do know the c200 can shoot SD cards as well

[@latentspacex]

James Jackson SD cards! But only 8 bit 420, is that right? Ok for most production, but why do I need to dish out so much more if I want to do higher quality?

[@JamesJacksonFilmz]

The C200 is designed for a very specific market (online content, vlogs, weddings, events shooting, run and gun doc ect) where 10 bit is not a requirement. Canon has made the decision to specifically separate their cameras based on markets, with the C300 line being designed specifically for broadcast specifications and the C700 for higher film production specification. And Canon can sort of get away with this because of how their cameras have arguably the best ergonomics out of any other in this market, their color science and they easy workflow in post. Now to be fair the C200 is capable of sending out an 10 bit 422 signal either SDI or HDMI but it's only 1080p. However it is a full readout 1080p signal so it's taken the full 4K sensor and downsampling making it sharper than standard 1080p.

[@cjkalandek996]

Scene Files 1, 3, and 4 look the most cinematic looking.

[@aguguaproduction]

I'm curious, why didn't you show the Ursa mini footage when you did the over expose comparison??

[@ProAVTV]

We ran out of time and had to go film the outside segment. We only had the camera for one day and were trying to fit in as much as possible! Carl

[@dirqueleyr]

I don't understand your studio test. Were they all at the same white balance? what are we comparing colorwise? Is this a test of their auto WB? Why have a color card if you don't use the color card?

[@ProAVTV]

Same WB, all set at 5600K Its a test of what the images look like straight out of the camera, any colour bias that needs to be fixed etc. Carl

[@AndyStelmach91]

9:28 What is going on with the noise on the bike with C200 raw graded clip? Cheers for the tests.

[@gatosoul]

Thanks for Sharing! :) ( could you please compare Varicam LT vs EVA1 ) please

[@doctari1061]

Which was the best?

[@Coops12241]

Why would you not pull down the exposure for the C200 in raw prior to converting to prores? A big benefit of raw is being able to have a much larger dynamic range and your method totally ignored that.

[@ProAVTV]

I did test it and it didn't make much difference in this situation to be honest Carl

[@jackdavidson5506]

So is all the Canon footage from 7 min on shot at Raw Lite? That doesn't seem fair. Do you have the footage shot at 4:2:0 8 bit? That's what I would like to compare

[@ProAVTV]

It was a test of the best each camera can currently do. I had planned to do both modes on the C200 but was pushed for time due to not having long with the EVA Carl

[@latentspacex]

but if you were to colour grade these, wouldnt you use the colour tablet think at the back to calibrate al cameras to the same levels?

[@ProAVTV]

Yes you could easily grade these to be colour accurate. This test was to see what the cameras look like natively though Carl

[@neirad537]

Fs7II is on Slog 2 or Slog3? And I heard that both Panasonic cameras should grade the same when using Vlog.

[@ProAVTV]

SLog 3 They do seem very similar yes. Carl

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

WOW, Ursa Mini looked amazing, better than the C200 to my eyes (2nd best in these tests). BlackMagic built one hell of a camera! The ergonomics may not be perfect, but that color science just looks fantastic. (Image being more important to me.) Toughest part is that the Eva1, C200, FS7ii all have their own strong suits, once again proving there is no one perfect camera.

[@ProAVTV]

+Noir Et Blanc Vie You say the BM UMP was the 2nd best image in your opinion, out of curiosity what did you think was the 1st? Carl

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Hey Carl, I actually would rank them #1:Ursa Mini -- a distant #2:C200 RAW -- #3:EVA-1-----and the rest. The skin tones just work decently straight out of the camera on the UMP...maybe it's the lighting or the scene, but that image just looks great.

[@tobiaslofi]

Question: Do you own/ work with a Ursa Mini Pro or are you just researching? We bought a couple of them but they are so heavy that you can't use them for handheld work at all. They are not just a bit unergonomic but after using them a little I'm "shocked" at how heavy the Ursa Mini Pro is compared to even a Sony FS7.

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

I own the Ursa Mini Pro, I will say I use it primarily on sticks, but I do shoulder rig it from time to time. I can agree ergonomics are not ideal, but for my workflow the Ursa's ProRes is just invaluable for me. I used to spend time transcoding the XAVC-L to ProRes from the FS7 and it was just not doable anymore for turnaround times. I just wish the FS5 had more codecs and 10bit 4K, honestly that would be my perfect camera.

[@tobiaslofi]

Yeah! I understand the FS5 longing :) ... possibly my favourite tiny pro-camera.

[@alexperez472]

Carl, what do you think about the onboard LCD screen? Is it to glossy and reflective? Did you have any problem shooting outdoors?

[@ProAVTV]

+Alex Pérez It’s not the best on board LCD out there admittedly, but it worked fine for this. Carl

[@alexperez472]

Thanks for the answer Carl!

[@SMMedia888]

Colours look very thin and sickly, really weird tones IMO - great review btw

[@Fuzzmistro]

Can you do a comparison with Eva1 and Kinefinity Terra?

[@DaniloDelTufo]

Carl, I've heard your words about Ursa Mini Pro ("Looks Very nice here"), if I've understand correctly (english is not my native language), what do you think about it against EVA1 or C200?

[@ProAVTV]

I think the image at 800 ISO and in a well lit scene is better. But not as good in non perfect shooting situations. I also prefer the ergonomics of both the EVA and C200. UMP is a great camera though! Carl

[@DaniloDelTufo]

Thanks Carl! Do you think that an EVF is a necessary tool for EVA1? I've seen that you have tried to use "One push autofocus" and seems to works sufficiently, but if you plan to focus manually what's your experience with Varicam Lt's focus squares or some other Eva's focus tool?

[@GearJones]

What gamma/log setting were you using with the FS7? Also, where you grading your test in Resolve, Premiere Pro, FCPX?

[@ProAVTV]

S-Log3.cine & Contrast & Sat boost in Premiere Pro CC The FS7's colours get much better when you take a bit more time with it and much better when you go through ACES. Carl

[@KittyFooFo0]

passes the baby test with flying colors!

[@ragilmalik]

hey i am a new amateur filmmaker. i used to shoot with dslr, but now thinking of buying cinecam. what is a native ISO ? if the native is 2500, can i still shoot with the lowest ISO in bright sunny day ? because in dslr, the lower the ISO, the higher the DR you get, and the cleaner the looks thanks a lot, appreciate the help

[@ProAVTV]

The native ISO is where you get the most dynamic range. So you can lower the ISO on sunny days but you will loose DR. Best to keep at native, so 800 or 2500 on EVA and use ND to lower exposure. Carl

[@SimplestUsername]

Native ISO is the ISO that the Manufacturer intends for you to shoot at to achieve the maximum usable dynamic range. Take the 5D Mark III for example, The Native ISO 100 with 11 stops of dynamic range, but at ISO 800 it drops to 10.6 stops. _"because in a dslr, the lower the ISO, the higher the DR you get, and the cleaner the look"_ Incorrect, that may be true with many of Canon's DSLRs but not all DSLRs have the same Native ISO(100). For example, the native ISO for an A7rII is ISO 800, achieving 12.3 stops of dynamic range, and the a7s is 1600, achieving 11.8 stops of dynamic range. One last note: if you are shooting RAW the native ISO _more or less_ functions only as a guideline for setting exposure correctly. That's because if you shoot something in RAW, no matter how much you change the ISO the camera is capturing the same amount of information.

[@mhakantiryaki]

If you shoot at 800 ISO or lower, you should use 800 BASE native ISO. If you shoot at higher than 800 ISO, you should use 2500 BASE native ISO.

[@gunnarsandberg1]

! 7:15 ... girl wouldn't show up...

[@ProAVTV]

He was waiting for such a long time as well while I compared cameras... poor Johna Carl

[@art_means_artificial]

gayrope

[@eliasjessop1883]

So after shooting with them, Which one do you prefer out of all of them? As far as image goes and the feel in the hands?

[@ProAVTV]

+Elias Jessop I prefer shooting with the C200, and I like the image the best. However the EVA is a close second for me, and offers more convenient files than the c200’s raw which can use a lot of storage space. Carl

[@Beaukester]

Always seems like Panasonic cameras have a ton of magenta in the midtones and highlights.

[@BigMouseProductions]

Did all the external real world forest shots have any noise reduction on?

[@ProAVTV]

+Big Mouse Productions No I don’t believe so. Carl

[@KGFIQ]

rather just wait for the EVA 2 which will be way better and fix all the issues this one has. but this looks awesome.

[@ProAVTV]

EVA 2? You might be waiting a while! Carl

[@johnal4560]

does it shoot in raw if u compare this with blackmagic 4.6pro what do u think

[@ProAVTV]

It will send raw out of the SDI port, but nor record it internally I think the image is better on the Ursa Mini Pro (except at high ISO's) But the EVA is a far nicer and more ergonomic camera to use Carl

[@MichaelWeizenfeld]

How did you convert native camera gamuts into sRGB/Rec709 especially for sony? Was it s-gamut or s-gamut3 or s-gamut3.cine? And for the other cameras, what color space and conversion you applied?

[@ProAVTV]

+Michael Weizenfeld As I explained in the video I just did a simple contrast and saturation boost in premiere pro. No LUT’s or anything like that. Carl

[@MichaelWeizenfeld]

ProAV TV it's wrong method. Wide gamut color spaces are so different than srgb. This is why colors looks terrible and results of the test are not relevant to each other. You increases saturation but color primaries stays wrong.

[@itayozari6252]

Hi, the EVA-1 can record 4k 60p with sound? I spend some time with the camera and realized that i have to use the VFR mode to get slow motion footage, in this mode i dont have audio signal... what i am doing wrong? thank you

[@ProAVTV]

You need to set the base frame rate to be 60p. So it will record sound but not turn it into slow motion in camera, you can do that easily in post Carl

[@itayozari6252]

thank you!

[@mickchambers2904]

Don't think the studio stuff was shot that great, just downloaded the vlog stuff and I'm not overly impressed with the image...looks very green. The outside stuff looked a lot more impressive.

[@ProAVTV]

+Matt Chambers Panasonic cameras have a slight green bias. But you can correct for that if needed, it’s not an issue. Carl

[@NakeanWickliff]

Thank you for doing this test. I was really bummed you weren't able to get a direct comparison to the gh5 in Vlog but oh well. I like the overall canon colors but prefer the warmth to skin tones of the Panasonic even though it may not be as "true to life" as teh canon. If you can't get the job done with either of these cameras then you should probably just quit :)

[@ProAVTV]

+Nakean Wickliff I was disappointed as well. Completely slipped my mind that our showroom one didn’t have vlog installed. Absolutely. They are all great cameras with their own strengths and weaknesses Carl

[@jonathanfurtado6880]

What LCD screen shade is that? Is it the built in one for the Panasonic?

[@ProAVTV]

+Jonathan Furtado Yes it’s the built in one. Carl

[@AlbertoBedo]

So a natural question: what's the real color of that motorbike? :D Sony and EVA/Canon are totally different. Maybe a color space problem?

[@ProAVTV]

Real colour is actually very close to the Canon C200 footage. Carl

[@AlbertoBedo]

Would be great to understand why FS7 is so different

[@ProAVTV]

+Alberto Bedin I’m not sure I’m afraid. The fs7 really didn’t handle the bike well at all. Carl

[@tobiaslofi]

I have been using different Sony cameras since 2012 as my main camera and there are always some colors that are way different on my footage than on canon cameras / GH5 / etc... you just have to ignore it.

[@TheGirlSkateBoardCo]

GH5 for the win!

[@MaxoticsTV]

I'm a self-appointed video data curmudgeon ;) If RAW has 14 bits of channel data how can it be displayed on your (or my?) 8-bit display? Whenever I see these "before" grading and after grading clips I question the tester's understanding of the subject. One of us is missing something. That is, how can you look at two RAW captures and judge one to be more magenta than the other? There is no way to visualize all the data on current displays. Since RAW will be very susceptible to color issues (from artificial light especially) can we really claim there is an issue unless you try to match a common color chart AFTER debayering? I don't see how you could do it by eye-balling it. Out of the camera 8-bit video, yes there, I can see differences between the cameras, the Canon redder and the Sony less so, but not so much that I could tell the cameras apart if someone graded them to match. Anyway, I hope you'll think more about how you make points about image quality by showing RAW video which, let's back up, cannot be shown. The washed out look is a convention. It doesn't actually look like anything. ALL RAW must be "graded" before showing. Showing a dull grade followed by a saturated grade proves what?

[@ProAVTV]

+Maxotics Your very right, our cameras are capturing far more data than most of our displays can show. But that definitely doesn’t mean there’s no point in comparing like this. Most cameras can be graded to look the same, but the test is to show the natural colour bias of each brand so that we are informed about the images we capture with each camera. Any colour shift is certainly not a problem, but it’s useful to know it’s there so you know what to grade out. Most of our customers only do a very light grade on their footage, exactly like I do in this test. Carl

[@MaxoticsTV]

Thanks for the reply. Yes, we need to looking at something and the elephant in the room is that if one only shows final grades on KZbin good chance they'll look exactly the same! Anyway, enjoyed your video! Nicely made.

[@flairfilmsUK]

The point is that you can use the 10/12/14 bits when colour grading the image, which helps so, so much with things like banding, noise, etc. Then when you compress it to 8 bits it will look better than when trying to grade with 8 bits in the first place.

[@MaxoticsTV]

Of course!

[@TheFaustianMan]

Gh5 has the best footage. It's going to be compressed and with vlog and false color you're going to get better than the canon at less the price. And that can go into your film and or future projects.

[@dcd6115]

Hmmmm. The studio test managed to make all these cameras look bad in my opinion. I think the background color was a bad choice, which was too close to the subject’s skintone. Everything in the image looks orange and unflattering in all the examples. I appreciate the test and don’t mean to be negative, but I wish the studio test had been shot with a different backdrop.

[@ChicoDaUno]

I think its safe to say the C200 performed very well consistently through all the test .

[@CodakChris]

i see alot of artifacts on the babies jacket and your only at 3200 iso ... looks like panasonic fails again with the noisy camears ....

[@ProAVTV]

Thats mainly down to the 240p, not the ISO rating. 3200 itself is as clean as the competition as you can see later on in the low light tests Carl

[@alexandertorro]

Carl... It seems you were over exposed in the first 2 scene files..in beggining of this video. understand, each scene file has to be exposed to that specific scene file... Because it uses curves and contrast... As you were going down to scene file 3 and 4.. those represent broadcast as opposed to the first 2 scene files which is Eva look 1 and Eva look 2 which is film like gamma. So, that being said.. because the broadcast has a very punchy look....then by default...the exposure became correct in THAT scene file.. so, rule of thumb is...as you navigate scene files...so, too must the exposure be adjusted.. I bet the first two scene files would look so cinematic if you had stopped down.. many are judging here, and saying ç200 looks better.....again based in what they are seeing before them... Only, it's not fair... because you didn't PROPERLY expose in the first 2 scene files.....where if you did.. the image would be STUNNING!!

[@ProAVTV]

Well, I agree with you that each scene file should be exposed differently. But the test was to see the difference each scene file makes, so if it makes the image brighter, darker etc. is an important part of that Carl

[@quickpickle]

canon c200 looks better and autofocuses better.

[@BillStreeter]

OK so Panasonic's AF tech is way behind Canon, which isn't a surprise. However that test really seemed to show much more fine detail in the EVA1 image than the Canon. Which was interesting. Was that the same lens and aperture too?

[@JamesJacksonFilmz]

Bill Streeter I don't think so. I think the EVA1 had a canon lens and the c200 had the sigma lens

[@ProAVTV]

EVA was using a canon 24-70 f2.8 and the C200 was using a sigma 18-35mm f1.8 I think the EVA was at a higher aperture as well. Carl

[@MediaDivision]

Nice work Carl… as always! See you on FB Everybody… join the discussion in the EVA1 Facebook group facebook.com/groups/panasonicaueva1/?ref=bookmarks

[@Teanagemewtantninja]

real harry potter..

[@VK_DOP]

1) I am sorry, but 200 fps ISO 3200 upscaled HD to 4K - the image quality is really POOR guys!!! 5:36 look at her hair - really badly artifacts going on there. Unacceptable poor image quality for high frame rate even outside where you have a lot of light! 2) 7:59 You start the Test but don't give any shooting settings for each shot: ISO, WB, FPS, Exposure measurements light/shadows Key light, Lens apertures and so on. 3) No CRI information on Key light. Thats is why probably on 8:57 the model has such a greenish unpleasant skin tone, cause LED you use is probably failed having bad CRI specs. 4) Overexposer test: again NO Information on WB setting in cameras, ISO Base settings of each camera. Then it does not make sense in terms of skin tone judgment and Overexposure ability of each camera! 5) Seems that we needed in underexposer test to see more shadows in the image itself. Perhaps just go outside on the street to grab single shot for each camera. Then you will see the real noise. 5) Finally what was the real color of the scooter on the background ? %))))) Anyway thanks for the test. Soon I have to put my own hands on that camera go and test it proper way.

[@fourth1000]

Not much different than the gh5. I'll pass.

[@ProAVTV]

+fourth1000 EVA is very different to the Gh5! Completely different sensor size for a start. And so much better ergonomically for professional video work, everything you need in the place you need it. The GH5 is a very capable camera for what it is, it’s a great little thing. But EVA is a full blown video workhorse. Carl

[@fourth1000]

The image looks the same. 10bit color 400mbit data. same ole same ole.

[@jmez927]

Sony colors suck...and you know this..they think orange is magenta

[@hongjiwu145]

That sony skintone...cringeworthy