TF2 Inspired Games: Where Are They Now?

[@Casperr]

Check out episode 2, out now! kzbin.info/www/bejne/goSsepV6mNSora8

[@cantbelieveIneedtwousernames]

Correction overwatch isn't competitive is is built for a casual audience that buys lootboxes but they are too stupid to understand or want any audience.

[@aidenbar511]

R.I.P Battleborn

[@petman515]

@@cantbelieveIneedtwousernames No they built the game from the go with esports in mind that inherently makes it more of A competitive game.

[@JimBimBum]

Actually load out was never updated for PC but had multiple updates for PS4 which is why on steam they had low player count due to the feel of betrayal for using steam community as a guinea pig for beta but never updating the steam version.

[@tedicuko1538]

Add valorant to the list

[@Louis-yn8gt]

"the unique sense of humour" *shows clip of pyro burning a shed with medic inside*

[@nadroji6549]

@11 Haha! Is funny, no?

[@nadroji6549]

@Benefactor_Gaming To be fair, there is no 'lock' mechanic in TF2.

[@Xx_STRHMN_xX]

A German burning in a shed!

[@rogerphone481]

@@nadroji6549 would be cool but annoying

[@nadroji6549]

@@rogerphone481 Even if they did add a 'locking' mechanic in TF2, it would most likely go the same way as the Sandman's stun.

[@k4rz43]

"Dude, this game is gonna kill TF2!" TF2: I have come back from the grave to give the living haircuts!

[@mnf4973]

2018 winter cases*

[@KossolaxtheForesworn]

"dont be a dick." TF2 gives u achievements for being one, instantly making it superior.

[@schematic2684]

Perfectly explains why the game is so fucking toxic

[@NafedalbiFilms]

Schematic what makes it even better is that the TF2 community is still not as salty as games like Overwatch.

[@KossolaxtheForesworn]

@@NafedalbiFilms overwatch bans you for the smallest of reasons.

[@Corvus-uh2db]

It just shows that the tf2 community have the thickest skin

[@benwaa4403]

@@schematic2684 bruh the tf2 community is so great that they're basically the only reason it's still alive, most the updates they do have lots of community made stuff in em

[@MineNAdventurer]

Tf2 was the original killer tf2

[@18andAboveV]

more like valve is, the tf2 dev team is trying their best even tho tf2 isn't valve's favorite love child, compared to the love csgo n dota gets :'(

[@herbivorethecarnivore8447]

token people whining about how there are people who like different games. 'i didn't unbox an unusual. this game sucks. tf2 is dead' 'i got banned from a server. this game sucks. tf2 is dead.' 'my computer crashed. this game sucks. tf2 is dead.' 'i stubbed my toe. this game sucks. tf2 is dead.'

[@MineNAdventurer]

@@herbivorethecarnivore8447 "I lost 1 hp, this game sucks, tf2 is dead" "I got splatted in splatoon 2, tf2 sucks, tf2 is dead" "My dog wants to go outsidr, this game sucks, tf2 is dead"

[@MineNAdventurer]

@Why U Do Dis I wasnt even saying that, I said TF2 was the original killer TF2, IE it was cool ie Killer, i was making a pun.

[@gibusscout15]

Tf2 Was The TFC Killer

[@lorenrosenhal6555]

If not even the developers can kill tf2, nothing can

[@grandpasoldier8580]

*tf2 is then removed from steam in spite of you* good job

[@RiveryJerald]

Lorenrosenhal 1420 Devs can kill tf2, if they completely stop developing the game i.e fixing exploits bugs releasing other updates. With the amount of developers in tf team and the lack of major updates shows how the amount of developers is less than 4

[@humha7613]

Truly

[@upgradesky56]

and like some eldritch horror, it would force its self back into our reality, and new hats and map would be added and maybe halflife three

[@mishapp4439]

*TF2 eventually dies* *Heavy's hand rises out of the ground, because TF2 can never really die*

[@syrus1233]

Guys I am from the future and there is a game that kills tf2. It’s tf3

[@kaissauce9682]

BigBlue Valve’s too lazy for that shit

[@Wildcard-Jack-47]

BigBlue bullshit valve cant count to 3

[@truearea53]

According to some people, if they make half life 3.

[@pyromaniacsoldierr1959]

If IT comes out before i die

[@PitLord777]

Impossible! Valve cannot make a 3rd game! Can they?

[@SATO_FD2R]

Team Fortress 2 has held up really well since preorder!

[@dulcek]

And now it's even better! The newest major "Scream Fortress 2" Update is now here! Hooray!

[@Karl_Lives]

Yes. That was one of his points. One you certainly didn't need to repeat.

[@ayylmao8901]

also, TANK! and cool non halloween hats. also theres epic unusual effects

[@dulcek]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)👌

[@alexandredesouza3692]

It was the only Game of it's kind for years and once it wasn't, it had already built a community strong enough to never break.

[@charKT-7461]

**when all other games fail to kill TF2** TF2: “Fine, I’ll do it myself”

[@Cobalt985]

*Press X to doubt* The only reason you think TF2 is dying is because everyone else is saying so, player counts say otherwise

[@charKT-7461]

PirandelloKruger723, it’s the same deal with OW though.

[@franciscoalmeida7017]

@@Cobalt985 When people say tf2 is dying, I think what they mean is that devs have lost passion on the game and are no longer updating it. So its "dead" in a way

[@yankeeforcestudios5431]

Francisco Almeida the devs haven’t lost passion they’re just working on HL Alyx. Rumor has it they were working on a major update but held it off for later.

[@charKT-7461]

@@Ethan-hq1jj I'm glad to know that the OW community is in a good state right now. I don't play OW as much as I used to, but it's nice to hop on every now and then and actually having fun compared to TF2 from my experience.

[@khaliquet1]

The thing about Team Fortress is that, despite it's flaws, it FEELS good to play. There's a satisfactory reaction to every kill, as if it was earned. You can Carry your team, you can be a team player.... There isn't a limit as to what you can do. Overwatch.... Overwatch TELLS you what you can and can't do, so there's only so much you can improve. TF2? the limit is your creativity in problem solving. The ragdolls, the lore, the gameplay, the subclasses... Whatever Valve did, TF2 makes you come back to it.

[@machineman6498]

Well put.

[@schematic2684]

Have you played both games?

[@greenisthedevilscolor784]

You said it, laddie. It's amazing how versatile the classes can be. And the lore, artstyle and humor are not just icing, but essential ingredients to the already scrumptious cake. TF2 is just amazing.

[@mapleshade2913]

Overwatch lore is much better than tf2's in my opinion.

[@boltogen5416]

@@mapleshade2913 To each one’s own. I did enjoy Overwatch’s lore for a while, but admittedly tuned out after Sombra’s launch. I honestly felt that it took itself a little too seriously, don’t get me wrong taking it serious is great. But it got to a point where the game and story felt completely disconnected, gameplay did not seem to fit the story they tell apart from their limited time gamemodes. I just like TF2’s better because since it’s world is so crazy and absurd, what happens in the game feels completely natural to that world. Of course Demoman would hit people with a grenade rather than throwing it. I also feel like SFM and GMod had a heavy part in making TF2’s world loveable. Overwatch never really got anything like that, so it’s characters never got the same charm. What came with memes sadly just stemmed from one punchline jokes or a single voiceline, which made the characters feel shallow by result of the community.

[@dzera6354]

Major games: I fear no man,but that thing *looks at tf2* It scares me!

[@jort3256]

@I Have Crippling Depression Or any multiplayer valve game

[@dzera6354]

@I Have Crippling Depression yea but cs had some problems and it almost died couple moths ago but tf2 holded that 50k for more than 10 years

[@nilsthatboi]

Hahahahahahah😂😂

[@happymrnoob5544]

I love that meet the pyro remake you you did here xD

[@dzera6354]

@@happymrnoob5544 thanks m8 😀

[@lifesmanager6318]

such a shame loadout went down. the crazy weapon customization was amazing. you could make just about any kinda gun you wanted. healing minigun? go ahead. one-shot bouncy ball sniper? go ahead. remote control tesla coil rocket? go ahead. far as i know, no other game had that much level of weapon customization. each weapon you made felt like your own instead of just a stock body with maybe a foregrip and a nice paintjob

[@GeorgeCowsert]

I know, right! I'm one of those people that loves meticulously crafting unique tools for certain situations, and Loadout was the perfect game to both design such tools and see them in action. Makes me wish more games had that kinda system.

[@maniacpwnageking]

I had so much fun running single shot rockets. God I miss that game.

[@user-or4ut2qi3q]

RIP Loadout :'(

[@mephInc]

They grenaded that once they (of course not listening to the forums/players) introduced the stupid tech tree thing with random weapon part loot box things.

[@perochialjoe]

What's really interesting is that Quake 3 heavily influenced Team Fortress 2 and it worked immensely well. Then Team Fortress 2 influences Overwatch and it worked just as well. Finally, Overwatch influenced Quake Champions and it fucking crashed and burned nearly as hard as Brink did.

[@Antimanele104]

Sad, but true. Quake Champions is just a mere shallow of the iconic arena shooter it used to be in the early 2000s. It should have never catered after OW, the game just feels bland.

[@steveheist6426]

@@Antimanele104 I kinda ended up enjoying my time with QC. Until player numbers completely tanked and finding a match took longer than playing it.

[@steveheist6426]

@Mach Hell, I played the Casual mode but eventually a 20-minute queue for a 10-minute game just... Doesn't work.

[@TankEngine75]

Atleast Quake 3,TF2 and Overwatch are good,Quake Champions suck

[@PixolScoot]

"Classes are more closely balanced with only 1 or 2 hard counters existing" *[Cries in Heavy]

[@spydyeguymy]

Laughs in afk medic

[@terrypennington2519]

Heavy The class that you literally *_NEED_* a pocket medic with you AT ALL times. The class that has to turn around literally every 5 seconds to prevent a spy from backstabbing you. The class that also has to frequently take cover no matter how enclosed he is to avoid getting sniped from across the map. The class that has the most health, but is immediately targeted the moment his fatass is on stage by everyone on the opposing team. The class that has the slowest speed in the game, period. _Heavy update when?_

[@jsdotigboigamer]

Cries and Laughs in Heavy

[@wellifailed392]

[ Laughs in spy and Sniper ]

[@thetrashmann8140]

Screams in Heavy and Medic main

[@BubbleDouble]

8:52 that's because Valve rolled out an update which banned some idle bot accounts. Not Fortnite.*

[@peterisawesomeplease]

Yea this is a big deal. It means other things to. People both overestimated its old numbers and are underestimating the current success of tf2 because of the old under-counting bugs.

[@ADreamingTraveler]

Exactly. Getting rid of the bots took a decent chunk out of the game.

[@gaspaider]

Loadout was a really fun game. The reason it dies is because the monetisation was terrible. It wasn't necessary at all to pay, which is good but the stuff you paid for just wasn't worth it at all. Cosmetics were super expensive.

[@Yummomummo]

Agreed, I really miss playing it. I still boot it up every now and then and leave the matchmaker on. Never get put into a game. Quite sad.

[@minhucgamingvnintrovagamin5958]

@@Yummomummo soo Did you join comp or casual? If comp then yeah,dont bother please If casual 15 second after matchmaking ALREADY IN A GAME So yeah

[@charliesheen2081]

Really sucks that it's not available on Asian countries now

[@Yummomummo]

@@minhucgamingvnintrovagamin5958 depends where you are dude. Your servers may have people in them but mine sure as hell don't. Just out of interest and because it's relevant, where are you from?

[@minhucgamingvnintrovagamin5958]

@@Yummomummo vietnamese? Im from asia

[@Rat_Fบcker]

Remember the time when people said OW gonna kill TF2? Yeah funiest joke in many year

[@generictoast7678]

Yeah, tf2 killed itself and overwatch is doing better

[@generictoast7678]

@Deandre Ottey yeah but thats 10 years worth of people and the majority probably doesn't even play that game anymore. Overwatch on the other hand started 4 years ago and has about 20x more average viewers than tf2 on twitch

[@gh-ep9fj]

@@generictoast7678 i wish you were a troll, but then i see your video... i lost hope in humanity

[@generictoast7678]

@@gh-ep9fj not a troll, only spittin fax, tf2 not good anymore get over it

[@impracticalnuke]

@@generictoast7678 and yet we're alive and well

[@Nightmare27272]

you missed plants vs zombies garden warfare, they straight up compare it to tf2 in one of the trailers

[@TheMikirog]

I had fun when I played it, but then I discovered that there's no real gameplay depth, which killed the enjoyment when the sequel came out.

[@egorence2149]

yeah rfm made a vid about that

[@voughklry8362]

@@king_acceler8755 i like the first over

[@TokyoDrift456]

wait, what? where?

[@menacing_name]

Can I get a link to the said trailer?

[@HellishSpoon]

Hey Update Scream fortress.

[@izanagisburden1080]

i dont have monis right now for new stuff :(((,sad nigga hours

[@TheCheesyZed]

Sadly im to busy to play tf2

[@aroundhere1200]

Its time for Scream Fortress memes

[@DlolFace]

Valve be like "C'mon guys we literally make it like we didnt care!!! why is it so hard to compete with us?!?! "

[@spookyman7248]

'9 years in development'

[@Mehithose]

Imo, idk if they're deliberately kill their rival. I mean Like, not long after they do the promo with tf2, tf2 goes f2p. Is this coincidence?

[@weeknd7245]

Free to play is hard to compete

[@andrewsnyder9301]

Because tf2 players are troglodytes that only ever play tf2 and don't try new games even if they're objectively better than tf2

[@Sitzkrieg]

@@andrewsnyder9301 most of us play during certsin seasons of the year,and on our off seasons we take breaks while trying new games out. you cant strawman the entire tf2 community like that

[@yashwinning]

No Paladins? Seriously? One of the characters literally has a TF2 skin

[@komododragonking6592]

Literally Ineed

[@the_exploratoad]

It’s still alive so not so interesting to talk about

[@xdra7657]

Fred J what about OW then lol, your arguments already been disproven

[@the_exploratoad]

XDRA Because you have to talk about overwatch, it’s the most popular TF2 like game. And Paladins while not dead is only surviving with a not so great player base compared to OW and TF2

[@nwfyandex]

Paladins was inspired, Overwatch is a plain rip off

[@pistachioczar3842]

Garfield’s a cartoon! Garfield is a tf2 clone

[@sissyfarabi9819]

pistachioczar Comic*

[@pistachioczar3842]

Crook Anims well there is a show. It’s a bad show but their is one

[@sissyfarabi9819]

pistachioczar Yeah but the comics get more recognition

[@XeonGame]

Crook Anims lasaga

[@Dino-oh7xh]

XeonGame3k lOl Xd So FuNnY 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🙂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🙂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@eggheadcobra]

HONORABLE MENTION: Paladins The game is constantly made fun of for being a "poor man's Overwatch", but there's no denying that the game has found its place in the overcrowded FPS market. If you look at the Steam charts, Paladins regularly has 20,000 daily players up to this date, and receives a solid ammount of updates. Plus, the game is heavily inspired by TF2 if you look at the similar character designs and similar settings. Not to mention, Barik (One of the game's characters) has an Engineer outfit from TF2, showing just how closely inspired Paladins is to the game.

[@mossuhmo]

Egghead Cobra only 20k daily players? Damn that’s how you know the game is dead.

[@BeastinlosersHD]

@@mossuhmo Better than like the 40 it had a little after launch

[@pepsiback9110]

Yea and something important : The game is fun

[@problemglass6857]

@mOmO you only need 9 other players to get a full game, the ques are 30 seconds, games don't need hundreds of thousand concurrent players to be alive, and to enjoy. A dead game is one like law breakers which had 3 players concurrent. You are a moron.

[@bungholio1586]

mOmO lmao 20k daily is not dead. Sure it’s not kicking the other asses of some of the most popular games on the steam charts, but 20k daily is not dead.

[@ace6897]

Team Fortress 2 is STILL very much the “game to beat” When Overwatch boasts 50-70k players in 2026, I’ll admit it’s a Tf2 killer. All these games started and (some) ended within like 1/4th of tf2’s LIFETIME.

[@skidzzthewiz9226]

I mean if we were honest and tf2 devs would keep in touch with the community and update it more often and add a few weapons and things overwatch would not be able to compete. They update all the time and add new hero’s ever 4 months or so,

[@Jdudec367]

SkiDz The wiz what about new maps and skins and stuff?they add new stuff...they would still compete...

[@ace6897]

Jayden C who, OW? There’s no way OW is gonna be relevant until 2026, lol

[@Jdudec367]

Saketh k yeah sure...keep telling yourself that...

[@ace6897]

@@Jdudec367 Lol, overwatch was relevant for like a year and died off in the face of the internet. Why do you think blizz doesnt show the player count? Im pretty sure OW doesnt get more than 100k concurrent players.

[@justinl2005]

I think DirtyBomb is more like a mixture of TF2 and CSGO.

[@retardedfishfrogs1]

it's a spiritual successor to Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. The most it has to do with TF2 is the classes kinda.

[@JadeMythriil]

I loved that game. Too bad the developers have abandoned the game and its still riddled with balancing problems.

[@kagom6830]

I loved dirty bomb, it was so addicting. It's a shame how it died out

[@vividdaydream1516]

Overwatch is going through some turbulence. Ever since the launch of its "pro scene" it's become increasingly unfriendly to casual players and newcomers to the FPS genre.... which was the original demographic that the game was marketed to, and is STILL marketed to.

[@light535]

Also lot of people have been quitting recently since Brigitte came out.

[@antarticstorm7991]

I bought overwatch and everyone kept kicking me :( tried to get a refund but blizzard wont give back my money

[@Mikalent]

Overwatch is overall dying slowly, the original cast of Overwatch was very well balanced, but many of its later addition heroes are broken, either they have too many weaknesses and counters, or like bridgett, have no counter save another bridgette. Basically this is a symptom of Blizzard's "every hero should feel overpowered" and the " If every hero is overpowered than no hero is more powerful than another" , in all Overwatch is Overwatch's worst enemy, the same as TF2. Also I only play TF2, I just keep tabs on Overwatch.

[@Zoxide_]

Storm wrench you can’t be kicked in overwatch dummy

[@jackhudner3804]

Overwatch's recent events have been kind of lacking, but the balance changes have been slowly improving and the most recent hero is awesome despite not fitting in visually or thematically. Apparently the next hero gets unveiled at the coming Blizzcon, which is actually really surprising as the last one was only about month ago and the average new hero cycle is about 4 months.

[@Lorenzowski]

i saw a tf2 review that said it was modeled after overwatch lmao

[@berylalmark5624]

Where?

[@JoeMAMAkim]

Beryl Almark steam

[@berylalmark5624]

@@JoeMAMAkim this i know, i wanted to know were in the entire steam

[@JoeMAMAkim]

Beryl Almark tf2 negative revievs

[@DM_2145]

Probably a joke lol, just like steam reviews themselves.

[@ilikeoranges1408]

New FPS Game: "Appears" TF2: YOU DARE CHALLENGE ME MORTAL !? AMUSING !

[@antarticstorm7991]

New fps: sup bitches Tf2: oh for fuck sa- Fps games: here we go again

[@tasertag7513]

**Equips scronching blade** TF2: Last mistake.

[@yonice]

MERASMUS IS HERE.

[@ghoulbuster1]

insert meme about challenging makoa here

[@aickavon]

FPS game with different characters and abilities - *EXISTS* TF2 players - Well obviously this is a clear TF2 clone

[@happyraintf]

Monday Night Combat was my first game I bought using my TF2 trade-up items back in 2010. It was actually a very fun game while you had people playing it and some configuration made it even better! I loved the setting, it felt like you're in a TV show for real, having fun, getting them monies. Great game, just a shotout to those that actually played it at it's core! But... TF2 always remains the best, 11 years later!

[@Pandaxtor]

The second game is also really good as well. Its a shame that the game died though.

[@AKBeats1]

Smnc was too good

[@Halvos12]

The engi in that game was so fucking broken, yeah just give him a healing gun, oh have the healing gun double as an hp leach, give him deploryable sentries oh HEY give him an air strike too.

[@sernoddicusthegallant6986]

SMNC was too pure for this world, may those few of us lucky enough to experience it while it lived forever cling to those memories... *sheds single tear*

[@CrixAcguy]

@@sernoddicusthegallant6986 SMNC was absolute trash, please don't put it anywhere near MNC

[@CocoHutzpah]

One of my friends was big into Loadout back in 2013. I never took the chance the play it and I guess that ship has sailed. I did enjoy Overwatch during the public beta, but the hard counters wore away my enthusiasm and so did Blizzard's constant restrictions on play-style. I haven't played TF2 in about 7 months, but it's been installed on this computer since 2012 and Overwatch only lasted for about a year and a half.

[@TLord]

Makes sense since if I remember right TF2 takes up less space than Overwatch so you’d be less likely to delete it even if you don’t play it, while comparatively if you don’t play Overwatch and need space it’s a much more likely option to be deleted. Though I don’t know ya so maybe you just deleted it since you dislike it?

[@S3w3rSh4rk0]

I wanted to buy OW back then but my friend said don't, the community is toxic and they'll most likely to insult you if you're bad, and a SHlT LOAD of rules: like saying ez is bannable. So yeah, OW kinda sux.

[@ShibuNub3305]

@@S3w3rSh4rk0 Wait, saying "EZ" is a bannable offense? In a _Teen_ rated game?

[@S3w3rSh4rk0]

@@ShibuNub3305 Even Tho Looking Back At My Cringe Past Is Painful , Yes It Is Somehow Bannable

[@immortalsun]

Overwatch didn’t kill TF2. None of these games did. It’s TF2 that killed TF2.

[@mcp7158]

Dimentive so are you saying that tf2 killed themselves?...dont get me wrong but...have you heard "telletale games"...they kill themselves..note:they shutdown for good...hope that it will not happen to tf2

[@truearea53]

Marion Clyde Pastor Well they need to add more characters to tf2.

[@jamz5049]

TF2 committed neck rope.

[@cc12yt]

I think tf2 should make more updates based on saxxy's awards, the animation that people likes the most should inspire a new update, and not a crappy one like the bonus ducks update

[@RainyPrai]

Nah its more of "tf2 killed tf2 trading" ref = 0.4 cents my dudes

[@Bebe-fq8yb]

When Overwatch came out, I was playing that game non-stop and abandoned tf2. Then nearly about a year passes I start to feel bored of Overwatch. I think I felt that way because there wasn’t really anything new. Overwatch 2016 is still pretty much Overwatch 2018. You gotta pick a Reinhardt, two healers and the dps characters (also whatever character is currently op). If you pick characters which are ‘off class’ it sends shivers down your teammates spines. There isn’t much freedom to show off. I ended up crawling back to tf2 just give myself some excitement and individuality. Pick any class and any weapon and it is still possible to top score and contribute massively. Maybe I’ll play engineer defensively with a wrench or offensively with a gunslinger. Maybe I’ll use the rocket launcher for soldier and blast enemies away or use a rocket jumper and jump around the map and jump on peoples heads. MAYBE I WONT EVEN ATTACK THE ENEMY AND HAVE A TAUNT PARTY WITH THEM. In Overwatch all games just feel the same. The only thing that can kill tf2 is valve honestly with their lack of support for the tf2 team. This is all just my opinion. (Side note) I also just think tf2 is less toxic than OW [EDIT] Some people have pointed out that tf2 has an unchanging meta to which I agree to an extent. That’s the meta for 6v6 5cp maps. Theres other game modes which basically allows you to pick a any class and you can make it work e.g. payload maps gives you the freedom to use specialist classes like pyro or heavy on either team. There’s also different weapons combinations which can suit your fancy. There are also different types of tf2 comp game modes such as highlander. There’s a reason why people don’t enjoy 5cp as much you know.

[@misterproject8]

That's mostly because of the amount of players. Since OW is a 6v6, if you go around doing your own thing you'll hurt your team a lot. In TF2, you can stay AFK in spawn and it doesn't make a huge difference. I don't remember who said it, but in TF2, you play games, while in OW, you play matches. I like both games equally, but you gotta have different mentalities for them.

[@misterproject8]

Chuck Nourrizzz Eeh, Brig was definitely a bad idea, but the game seems to be improving now. Also, it's not like TF2 has superb balance either, at least not in a competitive environment.

[@mockingladmockery3860]

@@misterproject8 he is talking about the meta. Meta did not change much until now. 222 has been secret meta for such a long time except for short lasted triple tank.

[@mockingladmockery3860]

@@misterproject8 never heard of.

[@misterproject8]

Here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJDUiHmXrZV9gck www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/90xpk8/what_is_goats_comp/

[@DeafCope]

Rest in peace- Monday night combat

[@Casperr]

"What about [some other game]?" This video isn't designed to be an exhaustive list of inspired games, just a couple of them. Thanks for the suggestions of what other games you think are relevant, I am considering a part 2 if I can find the time to make it! "Lol Overwatch sucks/is dying". Just because you don't like a game or disagree with the direction the developers are taking, that doesn't make it "dying". If you can provide official stats showing that Overwatch has less players than TF2, or even Dirty Bomb, then I'll happily issue an apology and correction to this video. Until then, please stop pasting the same Overwatch hate comments because y'all look kinda silly!

[@2Siders]

Casperr It’s the nature of any “Top 10” videos unfortunately. People always are and always be complaining because somehow their own personal opinions weren’t represented lol like that’s possible I wanted to say as another content creator I really liked your video and edits. I liked how you timed for instance the BRINK trailer just so it would show the developer’s name in the right moment.

[@Gorlite]

fortnite not only sucked off all the games but also peed in my bed. fuck that stupid game.

[@legendarytat8278]

How about…no?

[@AN-xi1vk]

Remember that steam leak that revealed that TF2 had the most players? Yeah, of course you haven't.

[@nebroc8903]

actually, it had 100,000 players yesterday.

[@salpertia]

Hey remember that time when blizzard got rid of "ggez" as if that fixed anything but you can just add two letters and that basically circumvents that?

[@nikshata2159]

I must say that tf2 has so much potential,sadly valve don't see it. "My eyes have been opened,let me help you to see Gaben"

[@gatomeong]

it's kinda sad actually. this have come to the point where the community updates team fortress 2 on their own on creator.tf

[@mlgproplayer2915]

_They are ded... Not big surprise._

[@respiratoryfailure3780]

Overwatch is still alive though, thanks to porn

[@mmmmmmm3246]

@Damsen saying OW is dying is such a meme now it's become cringe. OvErWaTcH dEd LmAo

[@bevvvy1374]

@Damsen I DON'T LIKE/PLAY THIS GAME ANYMORE AND NOT EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS TALKING ABOUT IT ANYMORE IT'S DYING HAHA

[@immortalsun]

Overwatch has way more active players than TF2.

[@Nelex5000]

@@respiratoryfailure3780 yeh

[@TDOTCRFH4]

the "tf2 killer" doesn't seem like a thing that can exist at this point, with tf2 being so old. if tf2 shuts down tomorrow, it won't be because of overwatch or fortnite or any other game, but because tf2 is over a decade old

[@TheGateShallStand]

If tf2 shuts down at any point, besides the entire company going under for some reason, I dont think the fanbase would be too calm for many years

[@ghoulbuster1]

tf2 can't shut down, the only thing they could do is remove official servers, people could just go to community servers

[@mcp7158]

r2d2 from startrek first telltale and now tf2?!oh hell NO...

[@Celieki]

@@ghoulbuster1 ikr, even if valve removed it from steam, modders would bring it back separate from steam with community servers

[@omegastyles1531]

I played allmost 1000 hours on dirtybomb.. Its one of the best game i played and now its on life support after two months of its release.

[@Unknown-qp3en]

I had like 2000 + hours on dirtybomb and haven't touched it since OW came out. It's makes me sad what's happening with db right now, it will forever be one of my favorites games in my heart.

[@err0r-403]

I'm pretty sure Splash Damage has abandoned it.

[@Dabajaws]

I was getting into diry bomb in the first month i belive i had made it to 900+ house but then when i saw what was happening i was really sad

[@Jessie_Helms]

omega styles Yeah. I was a Phoenix main and would just dance around the battle field. Once in comp I got like 50K points and the next highest was 20 or 30K...

[@NoshuHyena]

I really don't get the whole "[game] killer" thing. If you like a genre of games, it's silly to limit yourself to just ONE of those games. If you like platformers, you don't only play Mario Odyssey; you play a wide variety of platformers. If you like fighters, you play all the fighters that appeal to you. Exceptions are the professionals who are required to dedicate large amounts of their time into one game, but that's a negligible fraction of the player base.

[@Manglet762]

Because without stupid fucking rivalries like this, video games would actually more friendly and positive, and we can't have that! Not even TF2's community is safe from this, just look at all the idiots that hop onto the 'TF2 DEAD/DYING' bandwagon that pops up almost every fucking month.

[@PasscodeAdvance]

Ddlc is not a platformer

[@northfj3276]

@@PasscodeAdvance i mean true?

[@zpeter2590]

It's because TF2 is one of, if not the most famous and recognizable title of its genre. So much so that people tend to forget that there were other class based shooters that existed, and even before the game was made.

[@SFMExtraordinare]

This is more in regards to multiplayer games which want you to spend loads of time and money (through microtransactions) on them though. The idea of a “TF2 Killer” isn’t games looking to deliberately stop TF2 from existing, it’s about how there are a limited number of hours in a day, you have limited free time and you’re less likely to play more than 1 multiplayer game since they all have their own style and game feel. If you’re constantly swapping back and forth from Overwatch to TF2 to COD you’re probably having trouble maintaining your overall skill level than if you concentrated on just one. Eventually something has to give or you’re most likely going to end up sucking at all these games you’re juggling.

[@Cypherion9]

Im early! Scream Fortress 2018 when?

[@davidlee9743]

Right now

[@schmarron9914]

NOW

[@dzera6354]

Now my friend

[@alma3884052]

Right now actually, thanks for asking

[@RedDeadSpree]

OMGOMGOMG

[@TheNightWatcher1385]

Monday Night Combat and SMNC were such charming games and were thrilling to play for me. It will always break my heart that they never really took off.

[@Antrixous]

ngl im suprised someone mentioned MNC, god i miss that fun ass game

[@CloundCvnt]

Ok let's be real. Anything that is TF2 INSPIRED cannot beat or kill or do anything to TF2 because it simply ain't the shit.

[@CloundCvnt]

@DrIvanRadosivic Hvala na mišljenu...???

[@CloundCvnt]

@DrIvanRadosivic Misliš konkurencija zarad igre da bi TF2 imao više igrača ili kao competitive konkurencija?

[@CloundCvnt]

@DrIvanRadosivic Mmm tru tru

[@gognamm2400]

Owww language barrier.

[@CloundCvnt]

@@gognamm2400 He basically said that friendly rivarly is better and that tf2 needs a game thats gonna step it up and so to say be on the same level as tf2 in order to boost the nuber of players idk anymore

[@Androidonator]

I really appreciate your research but it didn't convince me that loadout was similar to tf2 like there are no classes or teamplay it was more like quake met weapon crafting and got some moba like features like decoys, nades and turrets etc.

[@Casperr]

It was similar in the sense that any TF2 fan might look at that game and think "huh, bright colour chaotic shooting and objective based gameplay, I might enjoy that!". Fair enough if you don't personally get that feeling, but many people did, and I'm sure you could find many more articles, forum threads, KZbin videos expressing similar feelings kotaku.com/tf2-inspired-loadout-is-shutting-down-ahead-of-new-euro-1825905614 www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/03/05/loadouts-trailer-is-eye-popping-i-also-spotted-brains/

[@Androidonator]

@@Casperr I get your way of thinking but tf2 seems chaotic but really isn't after a while. Thanks for responding. The pacing and mood of the game are very, similar like overwatch is. I am of an opinion that everybody will eventually find their favorite game. But I can't stop thinking about unique games like loadout being stomped over by games that have little to no fun gameplay and are only pushed forward by their aggressive marketing budgets. Also I think that loadout didn't deserve this fate to be forgotten forever. As you said Loadout was very unique.

[@mohamednagy3442]

I did download loadout and play it around 2016 and I loved it so much , but there was pretty much none playing it , it took about 10 mins to get any match and the time slowly increased while they didnt update it and the devs let it to die

[@Androidonator]

@@mohamednagy3442 There was even pve mod that was really fun but they made it paid or something.

[@Thornskade]

It may be interesting to note that Loadout kind of has classes built into its weapons. You can have two at a time, making for a bigger mix. That means you can have a healer with rockets, a healer with a sniper rifle or a healer with an assault rifle, but then the healing weapon can also be all of those things, just fired at your teammates. You can basically recreate the Medic from TF2 by giving yourself a healing beam weapon and follow a teammate around, along with an assault rifle for self-defense. Having different abilities in your team and then grouping together is defintely necessary to come out on top. In capture the flag, your team is helped so much by having a guy with mines and rockets to protect your hammer from thieves. In return, having a guy in your team with grenades and perhaps even guided missiles to spam out the defenders was also highly beneficial. What I'm saying is, when a variation of characters with unique abilities in your team leads to success, it's not that dissimilar from other class-based games.

[@ClassyNeons]

Unpopular opinion: Aside from server problems, I genuinely loved Brink.

[@jayv4395]

Boxigami yes and? Still played the hell out of it as a wee lad

[@delta-76]

Great premise but it gets boring, the bots would explain lots of things

[@lifeisabysmal]

It was a pretty entertaining game. I clicked on the video just to see if someone felt the same.

[@watchulookinat271]

Glad you liked it then

[@Alvah37]

Same here m8 I loved this game so fuckin much on console. I wasted so many hours on it

[@widgetfilms]

I like that Overwatch has started to get respect from TF2 players. Sadly that's because everyone is occupied hating on Fortnite.

[@razor9768]

Wyvernblue IKR, I used to stopped playing TF2 because of the community hating on Overwatch. But when I’m about to come back, both of them are now hating on Fortnite. Overall, I’m only coming back to play TF2 for Scream Fortress, or when both just stop circlejerking the Fortnite hate.

[@dansmith1494]

DrIvanRadosivic those games are dead.

[@oxowl23]

@DrIvanRadosivic You listed one semi active game and rest dead games wtf

[@pacifistminigun3987]

XD

[@oxowl23]

@DrIvanRadosivic I didn't count tf2 as it's clearly still played. Paladin's has a decline in player base due to bad studio

[@LegendaryCollektor]

Loadout fan here dude Loadout wasn't TF2, but it was fucking amazing I miss it so god damn much :(

[@ethhics]

*plug the criken video about Big Bertha here*

[@Isaacfess]

It was awesome.

[@YonderYoshi]

SAMMMMEEEE

[@bungholio1586]

That game was insanely fun as hell. The amount of goofy shit you could do with guns was crazy! I just wish it did much better

[@demiank]

the video looked really fun and i wish i had played it

[@Flow764]

"This THIRD PERSON Shooter was a mix of FIRST PERSON Shooter, Moba and Tower Defense." Smart.

[@Solustos]

7:06 "Overwatch is a competitive fps..." HAHAHA WHAT A JOKE No but seriously, you can't call Overwatch competitive, it has a terrible game design for competitive gameplay.

[@timur5241]

It WAS competitive. It isn't anymore.

[@maxburrill6192]

If they'd stop fucking up the characters every five seconds it would be.

[@ABonafideSkeleton]

Overwatch should have never gone competitive, it was doing incredibly well with it's focus on casual gameplay before they tried to make it an E-Sport.

[@timur5241]

@@ABonafideSkeleton yes

[@charKT-7461]

So a pretty well-balanced with a huge competetive scene and E-sport events isn’t competetive?

[@gregtheflyingwhale]

"tf2 is dead..." - SHUT UP ALREADY!!!!

[@subsandwichwithmayo469]

Григорий Дубров well Sadly tf2 is not

[@gwen_gets_got]

Sub sandwich With mayo - sadly? Wtf

[@notamuffin]

RIP Loadout, I know it's been a while since the game was shut down, but man, it was an absolute blast and one of my favourite games to play on steam.

[@manuelzabdiel4991]

Thank god im not the only one😢

[@manuelzabdiel4991]

Still have my og ps4 account with the game, but we all know its closed

[@ketertube]

You forgot MircoVolts, Paladins, and Plants Vs Zombies Garden Warfare 1/2. Although MircoVolts don't have classes but characters. You also carry multiable weapons which are mostly inspired by TF2. Paladins is more an Overwatch killer than a TF2 killer. Plants Vs Zombies Garden Warfare 1/2 is like MNC/SMNC but with battlefield feel instead of a MOBA unlike the rest the teams have different classes each other.

[@wan-im8dk]

Read his pinned comment

[@werknemerful]

Aha yes microvolts. Installed it and played for 3 days and deleted it right after. It's just one of those games where people are either too good or ruined with cheaters

[@oxowl23]

Paladin's ow killer. I can proudly say ow has bad balancing but boy can't a studio be worse than hi rez. Big potential but shit devs

[@iangonsalves3813]

Lack of paladins in this video

[@franciss.6525]

Paladins tried to cash off of Overwatch, not tf2

[@car9472]

Paladins wasnt a tf2 killer

[@barbara5807]

@@franciss.6525 HiRez isn't skilled enough to have put out paladin's in the time it did if it was an overwatch clone. Most of the characters were taken straight from their other games much older than overwatch. Now Paladin's did start to change some things to be more similar to Overwatch but it wasn't made to be a clone.

[@necroLAN]

@@car9472 yeah it wasnt .....but i hate one thing .....that the majority identifies paladins as a overwatch rip-off just because they didnt bother researching....and the biggest problem is that some people still call paladins a overwatch "rip off " .....

[@iangonsalves3813]

@@necroLAN yeah I only said it was missing because this game is amazing in it's own rights and very much still one of the most alive games out there

[@jonah2363]

I really am going to miss super monday night combat. I played it just for the tf2 hat but after a short time i realized that it was a really cool game. It deserved so much more attention and there will never be another game like it.

[@HellishSpoon]

I miss loadout.

[@AD-ww4hd]

HELL SPOON yea me too. I used to play with my friends a lot. But after the years passed on cs go took my friends ughh I don't see why cs go is fun I tried and it didn't satisfy me

[@maksuree]

Loadout was so fucking good :(

[@AD-ww4hd]

Gary I agree with you on that my dude It had brutality gore deaths. Best and coolest emotes ever and best clothing especially rhetoric one with the sencored dick Non game company has the guts to put all those because they might think it's too offensive Jesus at the old years games were better we're better with the gore and sex and really offensive language and emotes But what happened to the 2018 I mean why is that every company afraid of putting all those ideas and make it the coolest and bad ass multi-player ever take doom for example finally a company that at least had the guts Ugh I'll miss old days 2012-2015 were golden days to me

[@Isaacfess]

We all do.

[@YonderYoshi]

Me too :(

[@MrStrikecentral]

Basically, what we've learned here is that all it takes for a game to be 'TF2 inspired' is to: 1) Be a first-person shooter 2) Have a cartoony art style 3) Be class based 4) Be objective based A real TF2 killer will eventually come. Valve will eventually close the official TF2 servers. But then again, the same can be said for any game. Just think about it, someday in the far-flung future, World of Warcraft will be no more. The most impressive achievement of TF2 is it's ridiculous lifespan. It's been going strong since launch in 2007. It has spanned console generations. I'm honestly not sure if even Overwatch will be able to pull that off. The big draw for any new 'TF2 killer' is the 'new game smell' it has. People will always want to try some new things. Then, after a while, they get used to it and look to see what game offered more fun overall, and that's where TF2 shines. There's something magical about TF2's gameplay. If Valve got a serious dedicated team together and ported TF2 to Source Engine 2, cleaned up the coding and updated the graphics, then TF2 would be back on top of the FPS world.

[@roshh6791]

Yeah when I first saw TF2 (years before I actually played it), it looked so chunky af and I thought it looked quite ugly. The same chunkiness I referred to is still there, but also doesn't bother me (idrk why). I think the main part is that the first person things kinda look, clonky?

[@lightningandodinify]

Some games can't die even if the developers end the official service. Counter-Strike, for example, would survive through private servers and community run events because of its simplicity and unlimited nature. The game may rely on completely different assets and look unlike any official iterations, but its core experience would survive.

[@sucdeportocale1532]

You're right.I 'quited' TF2 twice but always came back to it

[@Mehithose]

Overwatch can overcome tf2 *when* they gone f2p which I predict far future. For now OW is just too pricey. Many of my friends even call it Overprice so they didn't even bother try it

[@weeknd7245]

Why does everyone think that there has to be a killer? we live in a big big world with plenty of players, tf2 or ow etc are not going anywhere. Enjoy the games no matter how popular and stop thinking of a doomsday

[@Marchew1200]

When you said that weve come to the full circle and that tf2 came from quake it warmed my heart and makes me think that new generation of players want what old school fps offered back in the day

[@StargamerStarBro]

Ha sucks to be you guys, I play TF2 on Xbox 360

[@duckinatf2hatv457]

Ok

[@duckinatf2hatv457]

I respect u bcuz i ve never even touched the controller before

[@danksamosa3952]

PC master race

[@a-10warthog51]

@@danksamosa3952 a fucking 1060 is still 300 dollars ill have to wait :(

[@KampucheanDemon]

A-10 Warthog 300 is damn cheap bruh

[@FatheredPuma81]

3 years later and I've heard that Overwatch is now dead lol. Meanwhile TF2 is still going strong despite Valve practically outright saying they couldn't care less about it.

[@ghost_ship_supreme]

I didn't play loadout much, but the gun customization was EPIC! I remember making different types of controllable TOW missiles, including a small but insanely high damage one, and a ridiculously fast sprint missile type of TOW. I also used laser healing weapons and some sort of Tesla laser type weapons. I'm somewhat disappointed there was no players though, and I can't believe it's gone now. I wouldn't say it's a titanfall 2 scenario, but i would say it was underrated. With loadout you could mix so many aspects of weapons, including poison, turrets, flamethrowers, lasers, missiles, grenades, mines, and way too many other things to list. Oh and just to emphasize how crazy this game was, at the beginning of a game, all players start in a tight circle, and after 5 seconds all weapons are enabled.

[@mephInc]

I was the 6shot rocket and single heavy rocket guy. So at the start....... that explosion... yeah, that was me. Totally worth it lol

[@marthress7385]

Overwatch and TF2 are my the most favourite Games of all time

[@camoking3605]

Pretty nice

[@Doncroft1]

They're both masterpieces.

[@DongusMcBongus]

Me too. I don’t get why the TF2 community is particularly toxic towards OW. I goof around in TF2, I play OW competitively. Maybe because people like Muselk and Seagull left to play primarily OW?

[@Doncroft1]

Yeah, that created some bitterness. Funnily enough, Muselk abandoned Overwatch for Fortnite the same way he abandoned TF2. And he'll abandon Fortnite someday too. Oh BOY will his millions of Fortkid fans be mad then!

[@DongusMcBongus]

They'll be Flossing on him for months.

[@Adawnby]

A third of them are dead A third of them are struggling The last third is actually doing fine Meaning that 2/3s of TF2 inspired games were failures. It just comes to show that you cant replicate near perfection.

[@SlingingHashSlasher]

definitely wouldnt use the word perfection. tf2 is really dated in some aspects like how numerous essential game settings are hidden in console commands, an archaic crit system that gives explosive classes game swinging powers but gives other classes one free kill, boring clausterphobic maps that look they were made by 13 year old with a desert fetish. encourage spam and make up a majority of the roster. disclaimer: im not shitting on tf2 just pointing out some stuff

[@tekelodoyo]

He said NEAR perfection, bud.

[@SlingingHashSlasher]

still wouldn't say NEAR perfection. my argument still stands either way so I don't see the difference

[@MikeHunt-su1ss]

Except for the three that are better

[@SouperWy]

Brink was so much fun, and it makes me really sad that it died so quickly. I still hop on with some buddies every now and again to play it.

[@tainmccullum9523]

Damn, this is pretty interesting and entertaining, loved the vid!

[@TheMrQuepe]

I was hoping paladins was mentioned as the developers have talked about how tf2 inspired them.

[@Crucial47]

They also have have a tf2 skin I was surprised that they didn't mention it.

[@yourneighbour5738]

One other thing people don't mention is that Valve is insane at making games functional. A lot of games, Super MNC being one of them and Sim City Societies pretty much stopped functioning after win 10. The little bits of update Valve add in to keep the cogs turning is why TF2 is alive, even L4D which had no major content update have outlived later titles like Friday 13th.

[@brandtlucasbrandt]

I remember Loadout, had genuine fun with it. Just no player base.

[@coolchouzhao]

3:39 that really looks similar to the fem scout model

[@NoedigJK471]

I remember playing this game called Enemy Territory: Wolfenstein (ETW), which was like TF2, although it came out before TF2-- back in 2003, I believe. The game had similar objectives to play online: Offense/Defense and Payload Assault. You only had two teams (Allies versus Axis), and can play five classes: The Soldier (Heavy weaponry and suppression), the Medic (Health aid and resuscitation), the Engineer (Repair, demolition, and defensive mines), the Field Ops (Ammunition aid and air support), and the Covert Ops (Infiltration, spy, and sniper). ETW even had communities that created custom maps and game modes, including Base Jumping (Similar to surfing, but about based on skilled jumping), CTF, Fortress, Intel, and many other wacky things. They even went as far as making custom player models for each given classes. The way I've seen TF2, it was a progeny after ETW.

[@liteweight2824]

I see where you're coming from with the inspiration of Overwatch coming a bit from TF2, but I wouldn't go so far to say its modes are the same/similar. In most first person shooters that have their main combat as team based, you will find lots of capturing points, moving payloads and hybrids from my experience. I see the similarities between them, but there's only a minority of Overwatch's hero roster that share the same kit as TF2 character's kits. Theres one major reason I haven't come back to TF2. Its just because I feel like there's more thought that goes into Overwatch. Different team compositions can swing the game to make it completely different from TF2 combat. You cant really mesh two characters kits together (i.e. Beyblade - Lúcio's speed boost and Reaper's Death Blossom) in TF2. This is all just my opinion.

[@ThMnWthNNm]

I believe TF2 and Overwatch are able to peacefully coexist alongside each other.

[@nima4538]

@@Mahotsugu never heard of such true words

[@vbeigu4643]

2

[@---pj1xz]

The only reason that these two cant do that is blizzard it self.

[@m8succ169]

@@---pj1xz no its us . Tf2 players go ham on any game that is similiar

[@thetrashmann8140]

*Activision: I'm about destroy this mans whole career*

[@hobg5786]

I think what saved OW was how it distanced itself from TF2. I've played both games, and I would still play both if I got OW for PC instead of PS4. They play very differently now, with OW picking up a mostly competitive look based around comps and strategies, whereas TF2 has held the more casual individual skill-defined matches.

[@jcp1966]

Tf2 killers didnt just die....They were murdered

[@duckinatf2hatv457]

Oof

[@maximem7600]

By the original victim...

[@tomrl6674]

That line makes my ears bleed now, please dont let it be part of some crackpot theory

[@kaiji4788]

That's kinda gay

[@TrueZutyro]

Self-defense lol

[@panzerfaust8452]

Holy shit, this is some real good video. Thank you for being a TF2 youtuber with common sense. The way you discribed all these games (especially Overwatch) in such neutral way, it actually gives me some faith in TF2 community. At first, I thought that this video will be jackoff on TF2, on how cool and original it is, and how everyone and everything is basically a TF2 copy and rip-off, like most TF2 players say. Thank god I was wrong. Thank you.

[@impracticalnuke]

TF2: We're not going to die, we're going to live forever!

[@jaredpiva3677]

I thought they shut down the Lawbreakers' servers

[@Casperr]

Yes LawBreakers was one of the most spectacular failures of recent years. Shame really because I thought it had some genuinely great gameplay!

[@MultiEpicnezz]

Made for a good laugh though

[@JimmyGu02]

@@Casperr the gameplay is very good but the game was poorly advertised and people only played Lawbreakers for a year

[@Doncroft1]

Sadly they did. Lawbreakers is a real actual dead game.

[@KATAKURIENJOYER]

Jared Piva A hero based shooter needs some sort of charisma within the characters to hold it's ground. TF2, Overwatch and even Paladins to some degree made recognizable characters with personalities, quirks and interactions with others that were far ahead from the competition. Lawbreaker characters were so boring and bland i can't remember the name or face of even one, and i played this game. Also, it tried to hard to showoff as the HARDCORE GAMER OPTION and just ended being cringy for the most part...

[@YonderYoshi]

Loadout died... I was incredibly sad when it died :,-( _(I really liked Loadout)_

[@Timotheeee1]

same. I remember using dual miniguns with spike balls plus double health kits and destroying everyone

[@cottonlarry8470]

I really wish the game is coming back. Loudout was the best game i ever played because of its unique customization of weapons

[@SangheiliSpecOp]

Thank you for your efforts in researching and edit this video c:

[@megumin2704]

I used to play Overwatch in it's early days. Like TF2, I loved OW because of it's unique characters and backstories. It used to feel a lot like TF2 where you can join a game and pick whoever you'd like. Then they started focusing on a competitive atmosphere and it just didn't feel the same for me anymore, especially when it became so toxic I couldn't even try a new hero on CASUAL if it didn't correspond to the meta. That and, how am I supposed to learn how to play someone I don't main if I can't learn with my mistakes even on casual again with people insist that I switch? Eventually I just uninstalled. I might install again to see if it's any less toxic those days (a bit ironic since i've seen news about people saying the game is dying) but who knows.

[@SBAntiVillain]

poo poo pee pee

[@poodoodrilldick7757]

@@SBAntiVillain What is your wish master?

[@katielindsey5072]

It's so much less toxic and the competitive, although being moderately centered, has improved so much. I think you should definitely re install it, says the Overwatch fan

[@katielindsey5072]

@@sancor1532 I'm sorry? Could you name some of the characters who are ununique? Is it the brain washed Widowmaker, the robot monk, or the super smart ape who lived in space? Good against evil is the basis of the game as the ACTUAL game is ONE TEAM VERSUS ANOTHER but the backstories are completely different, with depth. But I guess you'll have to type this into translate, since you can't seem to understand English, and you wanted to piss off as many people as possible. Just, please go away and hate something else

[@sancor1532]

@@katielindsey5072 First of all, i understand English, but im not very good at talking, second, why so offended? Those backstories are just normal in a science fictional world like Overwatch's, yes, brain washed, inteligent apes, robots with feelings, never seen before.

[@theshadowman8801]

Overwatch: dead Brink: dead Mnc: dead Loadout:dead Dirty bomb: dead

[@suomi5475]

Heavy: “POW you are dead, not big surprise”

[@fabrizeantonio4425]

@Rotom Channel Slain by Admin

[@Bello_6]

Monday night combat was never alive

[@frond3335]

@Rotom Channel then its abandoned not ded

[@DaToaster22]

The only people who call Overwatch dead are the one that don’t play the game enough

[@InfiniteFears]

Very nicely made video. Keep it up my dude !

[@Danger-Tater]

And now we have a new contender to valve games, valorant is the "csgo killer" and it's been great cause valve is actually trying to compete even though the game is in no way in danger but competition between companies is great for the consumer

[@enthusiasticengineer8103]

Valorant is boring af

[@Danger-Tater]

@@enthusiasticengineer8103 tru dat

[@HappyMrSandbag]

I'm still pissed about Loadout and its death. It was pretty fun, and could have been a winner in its own right, but promising too much too early, going F2P too early (imo), and porting to PS4 (of all things) screwed up their priorities. They hadn't even textured one of their maps but put it in anyway because they needed another map. I played since the closed beta (I even had the in-game t-shirt to prove it), but I'm still salty. I suspect part of the problem is the "TF2-killer" label itself. Expecting to be a legitimate rival to a big-name franchise from the start is a bad idea unless you can seriously back it up. Don't believe me? Check out the KIllzone series. The first game was advertised (or at least considered) as a Halo-killer, even though it had almost nothing in common aside from being a futuristic first-person shooter. It obviously didn't kill Halo, and while it still has its fans, it's fallen off the radar. This holds true especially if it isn't that similar to the original. Having played all of them, I'd be reluctant to call Monday Night Combat, Loadout, or Dirty Bomb TF2 clones. They all fit the "hero shooter" genre, but beyond that they're distinct from TF2 and each other. Even Overwatch has its differences, mostly in terms of tone. I'd go so far as to call comparisons like "[INSERT AAA GAME]-killer" unfair; they set an unrealistic bar, and they imply connections that might not actually exist. In summary, devs should advertise their games on their own merits, and buyers should judge their potential purchases accordingly.

[@captainweekend5276]

The issue is the games never market themselves as "TF2 killers", that's a label that the TF2 community puts on any game that is remotely similar. The WoW did something similar for a time, with every new MMO coming out being labelled a "WoW killer" despite most never marketing themselves as much.

[@sandwichboy1268]

What Super Monday Night Combat did wrong was giving TF2 players a reason to go *back* to TF2 after playing till whatever level.

[@Anmatgreen]

Every class objective based FPS: compared to TF2 Me: laughs in Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory

[@dercarrot991]

SCREAM FORTRESS IS HERE

[@IrisLeeIsTaken]

I still remember watching 0:37 live on TV when I was a child......One of my favorite show at that time

[@midorifox]

Overwatch has been on a constant player decline way before fortnite came out. Some time ago a /v/ user leaked Overwatch's player statistic-ish thing (like steamspy). Their clam of having "over one million players" is true only in a small part. They do have a million registered players, but it's only a quarter of them that are active players.

[@Jdudec367]

im pretty sure it's atleast 2 million if not more

[@midorifox]

@@Jdudec367 I'm pretty sure you don't know when the "one million players" announcement was made. Beside, unless I see update charts seeing how the playerbase is going, I can assure you OW will die in two years.

[@Jdudec367]

LingFox really doubt it will die in two years...overwatch videos announcements and news are still getting attention...and leakers aren't always really ritght...and when was the claim made anyways?

[@midorifox]

@@Jdudec367 literally like any other games. Even paladins still got attentions. the claim was made right after the One Million player announcement in 4chan. it also had pictures of a thing that looked like steamspy but it had ow's data. the thread was also deleted few hours after it was posted.

[@Jdudec367]

LingFox 4chan?of course...wonder why it was deleted though...if there is anything I've learned from leaks...no mattter how real or convincing they may look... they could be fake and yeah but Paladins ain't dead...dead games really wouldn't appear on like top videos on the gaming section for youtube...

[@darkigg]

Most of them are no more

[@agentcoxack7368]

Damn I loved Loadout. I was gutted when it was closed.

[@titaniumtrain]

8:30 i'm still mad about STAR about that, oh well

[@abingus8509]

Sooo you just gonna ignore Paladins? It’s literally the the other of the two TF2 inspired games that are still alive today. It’s also had the most updates and player retention between the two (although it started with a much smaller initial playerbase than OW), it did a good job at retaining those players and it still get around 20k daily users on steam, that’s not even counting console numbers or Switch numbers where they are doing great because they are the only hero-shooter on the Switch.

[@titosanpablo]

It was never considered a "tf2 killer" which is what this video is about.

[@minhucgamingvnintrovagamin5958]

Lol I thought the game paladins copied overwatch and supposed to be a overwatch killer And NOPE PALADINS IS DEAD TOOK ME 3 MINS TO GET IN A GAME TF2?YEAH FAST

[@Dabajaws]

Other video

[@TheMagnumDon]

dude loadout sounds like a really fucking cool concept, i need other games with that mechanic

[@KetchupBottle1235]

Rip loadout ): I had a good time with this game.

[@MrBlack75922]

Your pfp is good

[@maxresdefault_]

Fortnite: the evry game wounder

[@antarticstorm7991]

Fornite was inspired by pubg

[@megumareta6361]

@@antarticstorm7991 but fortnite was already developed in like 2011 and the battle royale mode was the one inspired

[@rocksolid4597]

You the grammar murderer

[@yeppe9855]

Fortnite saw a chance and took it. They did it in less time than PUBG, and they did it better. I really tried to love PUBG, I wanted to enjoy it but I couldn’t.

[@glassesmemerman]

Pubg player: fortnite is for kids Fortnite player : Pubg is for noob .......WAR.....

[@hylianmango8272]

August 2017. The day of Snipers not looking F2P anymore

[@el33tkrew]

You forgot about Paladins... 😔

[@Raysonable]

i think paladins not copy tf2

[@SpitfireFortyFour]

EzeroChalicer Its directly inspired by it, the devs have confirmed that. Valve also really liked Paladins and actively promoted it, unlike Overwatch.

[@Andrew-yl7lm]

Well OW is compared to TF2 and paladins is compared to OW. You could go down the rabbit hole like that until you hit command and conquer renegade lol

[@ka5hm1rlofi24]

Paladins is gay

[@Falter007]

Everyone forgot about Battleborn.

[@Batmans_Pet_Goldfish]

Shoulda mentioned Paladins and their Tf2 promo.

[@kaiji4788]

@DrIvanRadosivic Okay Who the fuck are you ? I see you hating and saying shit on OW on certain video and not in other. Beside, the only argument you got for hating OW is only "lol rippoff of everything", im just descrubing what i found in your commente

[@GoonManGuy]

4:06 Brings a tear to my eye. It was too young.

[@OtisLePoOtis]

It was fun to watch this video... Live? Can you even call that live? Anyways it was fun :D