TF2: Map Compression

[@rain28980]

5:04 ho chi minh sandal evidence ???

[@thesoviethelicopter7540]

Aar defending comrade Ho Chi Minh against the scandles of the CIA-backed Glowjogger investigation attempts, funded by Israel

[@tuchi8519]

Aar is a comrade? ngl based af

[@wilson1728]

the fact that u miswrote it to sandal makes it so much funnier lol

[@rain28980]

Wilson yea he actually wore sandals contrary to popular belief

[@bIahaj]

I'm laughing so hard

[@AceTheOcarinaMaker]

*Human Malware.* I'll have to remember that one for the next time I need a new alias.

[@PFSnypr]

Ever since i heard the term "human malware" when watching tech youtubers, i knew SOMEONE was gonna use that as an alias

[@Splitzblue]

Didn't expect you here 'round these parts.

[@Sudafedz]

This is going to be one of the most obscure Ace TheOcarinaMaker references ever. And I'm going to exploit the shit out of that.

[@Kalmaro4152]

God Dammit he's everywhere!

[@A_Toaster]

Funny leaf man

[@AlanElChato]

Love how Aar's voice went from kinda slow and shy, to COMPRESSED MAPS IN TF2 LETS GOOOOOO

[@everburnerfish]

Ill be honest i dont know which I prefer sometimesni like one sometimes i like the other

[@Yaruh]

Now that you say it, I'm starting to notice it and its freaking me out

[@testhekid]

it's been a wild journey

[@SonicPman]

I can’t blame him; data compression is fuckin awesome

[@BeatCrazey]

_finishes map_ me: *compress*

[@testhekid]

6:55 that joke is what changed my perception to the default tf2 settings to this day.. also let's hope the community project will do what is not yet done by the valve team

[@wh1t3st4r5]

This is one of the only channels that gives real interesting information about how Tech things involving with games work

[@citrusrobber]

Whomobile and shounic

[@wh1t3st4r5]

@@citrusrobber Indeed

[@sycolix]

Yeah, along with Whomobile and Shounic like the guy above said. Genuinely interesting stuff. I binge-watched both of their channels for hours and never got bored.

[@bucketofchicken8325]

I binge shounic a lot, Aar is too bored and dull sounding for me.

[@TheBestPybro]

Does deleting TF2 increase performance?

[@solidshrek]

Nothing big just 2 or 3 fps

[@dashyz3293]

deleting sys32 gives you a massive increase in performance and also removes your hardware's hard cap on minimum input delay

[@sycolix]

big pp increase performance

[@Krisztian08]

Technically yes, because steam wont have to search for it or smthn.

[@Dabadi4834]

TheBestPyro2505 you can't have bad performance if you don't even have performance to begin with

[@tulsatrash]

Loved the video. The introduction, by that I mean everything before 2:04 , was very strong. I enjoyed the rest of the video too but I felt you laid out the starting point really well.

[@AmErodiah]

Thank you cartoony blue cat This is awesome

[@lunaisuppose]

gumball

[@Auriee_]

he is not depressed, he *compressed*

[@callmestephen5698]

Resisting watching, in google meet, AAAHHH!

[@uhh12131]

06:27 yeah it wouldn't happen anyways since random crits are still a thing

[@Qwerty-zj3rk]

7:07 Can we just appreciate how the rocket launchers line up?

[@jeniglace]

google "ho chi minh map compression scandal" and you'll see what i mean

[@nanopone]

JUST GO TO GOOGLE

[@TheBestPybro]

Lol, love your pfp!

[@trolley13]

What do you mean?

[@TheWandererGhost]

Similar to this zip compression Spiral knights modding got more popular recently thanks to The Knight launcher created by the game’s community. Not only it automatically upgrade the game’s Java engine from 32 to 64 bits and allow anyone to put a zip file WITHOUT unzipping the file in the mod folder in the game’s files to let the launcher automatically mod the game and the mod stays there so you won’t use the launcher till the game gets an update (if it ever get a proper update)

[@kila3477]

This is not that big of a problem. We are in 2022. 9GB for download space is already extremely low, when you compare it to modern games and how much more capacity our hard drives/ssds have today. It would benefit a lot more from uncompressing the maps, to make the loading times faster. A few more gigabytes isnt a problem in this day and age. Unless you are rocking a toaster with a 20gb hard drive. So there is literally no good reason for valve to compress their maps in their already more than a decade old game.

[@Nerdboi6]

another cool trick that bspzip can do is overwrite existing assets, such as sound scripts. this is what some custom maps, like koth_megaman6, use to implement custom sounds for health pickups and kill cams

[@MsHavocwing]

Feels like forever since one of these popped up, nice to see another vid from you Aar :)

[@stormi8029]

I would not like the maps to be compressed, as my pc already has 2+ minute load times into games and combining that with the fact that it crashes every other time I get into a game, it makes me wait at minimum 5 minutes to get into a new match.

[@astodon]

@@maxitaxi6484 Depends. If his disc speed is the bottleneck - yes, but if his CPU speed is the bottleneck - no. You pay with your CPU work for decrease in filesize.

[@stormi8029]

@@maxitaxi6484 I've noticed that when I load some of the mentioned compressed maps, it often takes much longer to load than on other non-compressed maps. All PCs are different

[@258thHiGuy]

I like how the intro sequence happened a fourth of the way into the video

[@bakasan8238]

Whoa Aaron's voice has brightened up since I last watched one of these

[@zabivaka2954]

Now I know Aar gave money to Randy Pitchford

[@Markiz93]

The problem is replacing files on these maps. It is much harder now, as their custom files are now inside maps, instead of being in GCFScape.

[@BenignStatue71]

4:28 "[...] and the initial download of TF2" It's unlikely to have a large impact on the download speed of the game. Steam already uses compression for downloads. So does Origin. Stacking BSPzip on top of Steam's existing compression wouldn't help much for direct, literal download time, because it's already compressed now (just not with BSPzip). Stacking compression multiple times *generally* doesn't work (as in make the file smaller) when doing it file-by-file (compared to, say, gathering a bunch of already compressed ZIPs/7zs/TAR balls, pick your favourite; in this case the headers can be compressed and space will be saved that way, but otherwise not much more space can be freed) because the first algorithm has already compressed the data; it's better to just compress the file with a better algorithm the first time. That being said, the user would still get a benefit *after* the data transfer part of the Steam download is done, because less disk space is used: it may be faster on some mechanical hard drives, as slightly less disk access is required after unpacking the download, because the files unpacked are more likely to be much closer to the file size when compressed by whatever Steam uses for downloads. This won't speed up the megabytes per second disk write speed, but rather the files per second speed. Some more info on compression for those interested: depending on what algorithm BSPzip uses, Steam's compression may still be smaller (IE better. In some ways, anyway, but especially for what it's doing: downloading a large amount of data). It may be better bandwidth wise to have users download the maps without BSPzip from Steam, and compress them locally, depending on if the BSPzip compression makes it impossible for Steam to compress it to it's current size; like I said, it's better to compress properly the first time, because the second algorithm has to compress the resulting compressed data from the first algorithm. For a rather direct comparison in games, Titanfall, which also runs on Source, has LZHAM libraries built into it so it can read entire VPKs which are compressed (rather, they're a string of compressed files, not to be confused with what a compressed TARball would look like, or a ZIP file). Titanfall 2 and Apex Legends continue that trend, but the way they handle VPKs and the file system normally expected from a Source game is a little different so I won't be getting into that here. LZHAM is tangentially related to LZMA/LZMA2, the latter of which is the default compression method for 7zip's .7z archives, as well as the base for the .xz single-file compression method. The benefit of LZHAM is its speed over LZMA, even if it doesn't compress nearly as well (especially as Titanfall does not use max level compression options). It has a minimal performance impact when decompressing, providing files quickly while still reducing the filesize of the game on the disk. Unfortunately this is offset by Respawn including every language's localization in the VPKs for Titanfall, in WAV format no less, making the entire game 60GB after its final patch. The default method for regular ZIP files is DEFLATE. DEFLATE is also used by Gzip (.gz single-file compression), and many websites even send web pages compressed by Gzip over to reduce the bandwidth requirement. Algorithms used in archive managers like DEFLATE, PPM/PPMd (the default for RAR), LZMA/LZMA2 (again, the default for 7z), and BZip aren't all too common in games though for the aforementioned reason of decompression being slow, or the ratio not being worth it. Only one that really comes to mind immediately for me is G/ZDoom, which supports loading ZIP archives renamed to .PK3 and 7z archives as .PK7 in place of WADs to save disk space; the fact that DEFLATE and LZMA2 aren't optimized for this sort of thing probably isn't too much of an issue when the assets don't take up nearly as much space. Compression of the file system itself (a feature supported by Windows' NTFS, and the Linux-supported filesystem BTRFS, to name two) use different algorithms which are even faster than GZip, but not nearly as powerful, to make compressed more seamless when saving or reading files.

[@aniconic2510]

How does modern warfare take up 40% of a default 8th gen console hard drive, that is the worst file compression ever

[@peek_yew9369]

I haven't been in the tf2 community in like a year, and coming back, it's nice to see that Aar sounds so much more positive and energetic

[@tulsatrash]

Damn back the first time I watched this I had no idea who Steve was or what Gamer Nexus was.

[@deeznoodlezz]

Never thought I'd see Steve from gamers nexus in Aar's video

[@joaventuras]

its sad that the game could improve a lot only changing minimal aspect that could take only a day of work of a person like the default fov, default automatic reload, default map compression, default, more ViewModel fov support (like removing the floating soldier hand from the original VM), in any profitable like game this would be minor changes but here it seems like a lot

[@LoomingDoom204]

Hope mastercoms notices this

[@user-ov7ci8tp8v]

We are officially out of stuff to talk about now.

[@faz2k]

Human Malware 😂 -Gamers Nexus

[@hyoitf]

how tf did this guy find a snowplow game in the year 2020

[@wadmodderschalton5763]

I wonder if the MasterConfig author can make the BSPZIP versions of the included maps made before Gun Mettle as an optional download for his config, time will tell.

[@wadmodderschalton5763]

@@maxitaxi6484 So that means Valve is trying to compete against unofficial measures by TF2 fans to fix it's awful performance issues and compression of it's maps made before the Gun Mettle Update then? In fact, I think that Valve should break their ties to the enterprise computer operating system industry (only with the Windows operating system, not the Linux distros that focus on enterprise) because there is no such thing as "enterprise gaming market". Since Steam can't transition from the aging 32-bit architecture to the de facto 64-bit architecture due to what is presumed to be enterprise-related business demands, which to me in my opinion is unfair business practices for Valve regarding the failure of patching their macOS ports of their GoldSrc & Source engine games, as well as the development hell that Steam on 64-bit operating systems has been since the mid-2000s.

[@spritzerland658]

it wouldn't allow the map to run on valve servers because it would detect that it's not the same map as the original

[@OnTheAlmondTree]

How do you get the "Sniper hurt a bit" messages on the HUD at 0:45?

[@JuneRabbit32]

Enable subtitles in options I think they are in sound settings if not, check video settings and set subtitles to show all sounds or something like that

[@maasteeve]

Every player would have to redownload 2gb for no new content which is why valve only aplies it when they update a map.

[@tulsatrash]

Download a little less than 2GB. What does it do? Makes the game take up less space in your hard drive.

[@kila3477]

@@tulsatrash Makes the loading times slower in this already unoptimized slow game. If you are worried about 2GB's in 2022, idk what to say

[@user-ov7ci8tp8v]

This dude just *updated file localization* for valve

[@sugaryhull9688]

A lot of BSPs are also B/GZipped (denoted by mapname.bsp.b/gz)

[@norisgello2523]

Thank goodness I clicked on this video. I was thinking about how I could compress stuff without being too big of a map for my friend with crap internet to want to play.

[@CoolSs]

this explain why i remember tf2 used to be around 50gb and overnight became ~21gb . thanks for the video cat man .

[@daturamuhes]

Just compress the compressed in an infinite cycle to reduce tf2's size to just a few mb

[@astodon]

Math doesn't allow ;)

[@daturamuhes]

@@astodon Mat- what?

[@afaniscool]

Aar pissed on my hat

[@joaomesomo8156]

Holy shit 65 mbs on download, mine cant get to 3mbs

[@jadugniko3245]

Hey Aar New solution Changing cl-interp_ratio to 1 will reduce lerp to 15.2

[@Purpial]

a new aar video? big pog

[@afaniscool]

poggers indeed purpial

[@pancakes4795]

tHiS iS aN ePiC pOgGeRs MoMeNT kEaNu rEeVeS wHoLeSoMe IOO rEdDiT mOmEnT

[@konradalthoff6220]

Why dont you go work at Valve, you certainly know your shit, and we would get GOOD updates with usful features

[@dyingonthebeach6705]

I have a potato laptop and I wanna know if this gonna help my laptop handle tf2

[@nono-oz4gv]

I was curious about tf2's map compression... thanks

[@mohamadparadox2453]

give me us the mastercomfig best settings

[@dark0ssx]

tf2's load times are awful, better to have the maps uncompressed disk size is not really an issue for anyone

[@mashgore]

Is that a cave story wallpaper? Nice.

[@wrennybih]

yo this guy sounds compressed lol

[@ozzymetalface7363]

Oh cool a arr videos

[@joshuamarshall2646]

How do you have those high quality class icons at the top of screen on your hud?

[@kimberlymarsh9687]

Hey aar, I’m decently new to tf2 (600+ hours) and I’m wondering something. In your why default settings suck video there was lines near your ammo where it showed things like if people were hit and I’m wondering how I can get this too, if you could respond it would be appreciated!

[@kingof-eu5kx]

subtitles i think

[@lilacisfunny3227]

0:30 shoutout to boner

[@undefined879]

what's the point of compressing archive inside the map if custom maps are often downloaded in bz2 archive and then decompressed.

[@butterh2]

it'd be really nice to have a lower filesize on my 500gb ssd, so longer load times wouldn't matter at all

[@dashofawesome64]

i think it is possible to make the map dirrectory with the shortcut to another drive. So only the maps are saved somewhere els.

[@coq_ui]

gun metal update

[@Beengus]

He is back

[@TheTC]

LOL I remember when it was taboo to say "rona" Just literally every website's a hellsite

[@DocTwoEight]

I can swear, a mont ago I had to reinstall tf2 and it was a 24 GB download

[@guscox9651]

Question - does deleting maps from the downloads folder improve tf2's performance?

[@Aarmastah]

Nope. It'll only reclaim disk space.

[@guscox9651]

@@Aarmastah damn it...

[@demo-server4091]

I_Inferno no

[@demo-server4091]

I_Inferno lmao i’m not even on the server

[@sycolix]

@@IInferno If you got banned, you probably did something that was against the rules.

[@zythe_]

hmmmdrgrm comprrressss g0 brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[@jerrynegan1290]

Team Compress 2

[@moj6733]

Oh a Video Like this again...

[@sheeerow]

woah, dude

[@theboi8050]

Custom maps are amazing

[@mineland8220]

Why do people hate compression formats? Is it too ugly or too efficient for the web? Or is it too noisy?

[@Henrix1998]

The real issue is the stupid amount of cosmetics whose makers don't have any idea about optimising models

[@CrimeMinister1]

Bruh it's taken me this long to realize you made your intro jingle in orgmaker.

[@MaxCE]

The viewmodel doesn't disturb me. The fov and interp are the bad ones

[@thesupremepotato7850]

*human malware*

[@kingcov37]

TF2 Tech Tips

[@nicolasandrade7794]

Hey in other videos I see the class images changed how did you do that

[@WeirdBrain]

Why are you still on KZbin?

[@DannyCheezits]

@@a-bv5ss google it lmaoo

[@fernandopolloymasOficial]

Tf2 before: max 18 FPS in a shit pc Tf2 Now: max 37 fps un shit pc

[@lazyxeno9404]

I just send your video on mastercoms. This might be useful for lower end pc.

[@mokow3732]

Aar more like R A R

[@bucketofchicken8325]

A new update to Life: The Game has been released: >removed Aar. Reason: Too depressing for extroverts.

[@spinxu]

so ur telling me you only have to download 2 GB for tf2 while i need to download 10 GB for tf2

[@Retigator]

Igloo is the best skin fite me

[@marshrrr]

tf2 map big, make smol

[@theelite5135]

I can’t help but hear that as an heavy voice line.

[@greenoftreeblackofblue6625]

You can say corona virus it was a rumor among youtubers

[@CosmoTheCosmicWolf]

robot rock

[@sushirabit5624]

Bruh a batsaber. Those are soooo pricy

[@mr_flava]

How

[@nynx8269]

Hello mr depression

[@BigBoyPanHandel]

Aar I can't turn on notifications for some reason also it says your chanel is for kid but I got 3 ads on this video and I could minimize it.

[@badboy4149]

link to your hud is broken

[@g3b169]

It's a toonhud preset

[@ultimusprimus7816]

Game is always fun to play....Until a bot comes in and ruins your fun.

[@potatotablet727]

Ah, my favourite map! *koth_sweden*

[@tailsmonster12]

How about I compress your little map, Aaron

[@xlr8gaming56]

Hey aar you need to stop cussing so you dont get demonetized so you get more subs I just realized aar doesn’t cuss anymore I think he got demonetized idk

[@juckya9660]

Valve please

[@habbit01]

Unban flog man

[@user-un2pf4ht9l]

Me when i have 200gb of downloaded thing

[@garbagwoomy]

Nice

[@reshzy3807]

man I miss your dead voice

[@purpleduck9464]

hi aar