tf2’s syringe gun isn’t what it looks like...

[@rednael6526]

I never felt so at home watching all those delayed projectiles.

[@Visigoths]

But the graphics aren't 16bits

[@rednael6526]

@@Visigoths I've a good pc hehe

[@dashswordgaming8836]

Bad PC moment been there still there

[@xXTomokoKurokiXx]

The life of the low ping soldier is a humble yet comfortable one, is it not?

[@alishegamer8490]

russian tf2 player moment

[@iceypumpkinhead]

What I learned: .medic's needles are broken .Everyone has an extra pair of freakishly large dismembered arms that are completely invisible and are adjustable

[@briandiehl9257]

".Everyone has an extra pair of freakishly large dismembered arms that are completely invisible and are adjustable" imagine if someone didn't know you were talking about tf2

[@thecannedslap]

@@briandiehl9257 “to speed up you need to decapitate 4 people with the long sword it gave you”

[@auraguard0212]

#2 was a meme for a while. XD

[@ΆγγελοςΜορίκης-ζ2ω]

syringes! get it right! lol

[@legoferrari14]

Now that second point just makes TF2 weapon viewmodels sound like JoJo stands or Elfen Lied Vectors.

[@luigio8484]

I want in-world viewmodels as a halloween item now

[@handlesrtwitterdontbelivethem]

same XDDDD

[@handlesrtwitterdontbelivethem]

YEY

[@handlesrtwitterdontbelivethem]

is it console command

[@kekdrone5051]

@@handlesrtwitterdontbelivethem yes

[@luigio8484]

@@subatomicpenetrationrapidfire I meant the opposite, the hands and guns that you see in first person to show up in third person

[@DEWILL]

I am pretty sure that the biggest reason why this hasn't got fixed is a sane man never uses syringes as a weapon.

[@walrusgiraffe3440]

Luckily there aren’t enough insane people to convince Valve to fix it

[@PajamaPantsStudios]

Not with that attitude

[@aurel724]

My strange specialized killstreak syringe gun would like to have a conversation with you wait why DO I have one of those?

[@manusiaorang2842]

Good Thing I Use Blutsauger

[@jackeea_]

sad mvm noises :(

[@powalowski6614]

Shounic really trying to get that PHD in Tf2

[@jesselukas55]

I just felt like u needed a reply, seeing lots of likes but no replies, hurts me mentally

[@Radrad]

@@jesselukas55 respect bro

[@deqnq1705]

i just realized how huge guns are if viewmodels are also worldmodels

[@TakeMeOffYourMailingList]

it's possible to play TF2 in VR using VorpX and yeah, unless you use third person models, the gun takes up a huge amount of your view.

[@SoapyTF]

@@TakeMeOffYourMailingList That's actually probably why the command exists, for VR.

[@syntheticant8172]

"Heavy weapons guy"

[@walrusgiraffe3440]

This still doesn’t explain how to become shiny as the dentist

[@ww-uq8ls]

All I can say is that you need another dentist to help you

[@SoxExcalibur]

does anyone know how to become invisible as the lawyer?

[@CRmRUSnew]

How do I place machines as the builder?

[@soursugar4867]

How make tuxedo terrorist do funny crab dance?

[@blorblin]

How to double jump as doordash delivery driver?

[@lordvague]

When the game first came out, you could actually surf the needles, even same team. So you could have your medic shoot straight up and if you were really careful, you could jump onto the stream of needles and they would boost you into the air and you took no damage. This persisted for about the first year of the game.

[@ReyHunter]

Holy shit

[@trollbreeder2534]

Oh, THAT'S what the Needle Jump microgame was about in TF2Ware.

[@blessthismessss]

that sounds fun as fuck, damn i miss old source movement

[@Pesthuf]

2:06 that's one of the most cursed things I've seen yet in this game.

[@meem6227]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oofZYmerm66Hf68

[@villagecommenter8262]

@@meem6227 CEASE, PLEASE CEASE.

[@villagecommenter8262]

@@meem6227 THIS VIDEO IS SO CURSED. SLAKING GOT ME QUAKING.

[@legendarytat8278]

@@meem6227 it's No Sleep

[@how9474]

Its like their stand lmao

[@sircatsmeow2886]

God damn... The older the game gets, the more it's clear the game is held together by glitter glue, gum and good intentions.

[@lad6655]

You’re right.

[@Dave-dr8oy]

And a coconut

[@a_literal_crow]

@@Dave-dr8oy that damn coconut jpg

[@CraftMine1000]

The good ol duct tape tower that is the source engine, magnificent isn't it

[@JetstreamSam343]

And it somehow works Somewhat works It's playable

[@Onyx_Meda]

The GabeN voice line at the end was great

[@seronymus]

WORTH THE WEIGHT

[@bruschetta7711]

Uhm uhm, uuuhhhh, Hacker

[@luigimss_]

"mm heh heh hecker >:)"

[@nutsinmabasket]

Subtitles ✨

[@ryguy7227]

I think it was my favorite one yet

[@jackeea_]

So THAT'S why it's impossible to aim the syringe gun

[@cielros]

the only reason why

[@degmcgee]

i always knew they were super delayed

[@raffaelfluckiger869]

And why someone dies 10 seconds after you started firing

[@tompycz2225]

You can actually guess at it and after some time get quite good, but you can't look at the viewmodel for reference. I used to have a lot of fun on crit servers with the blutsauger, I always just pointed the gun like 3 meters next to where the person I was shooting was going, also when you're a medic, people usually don't perceive you as such a threat and get cocky and lazy with their dodges. So it wasn't too hard to kill even a scout, especially when every needle did 30 dmg..

[@jeezuhskriste5759]

I always thought syringes just had insanely low travel speed

[@BottleWaterson]

"Break bones, perspective, and anatomy if you must, these space lasers and swords need to FEEL real."

[@syweb2]

What's this quote from?

[@MeowMeowMeowMeowMeowMeowMeowww]

Video game design in a nutshell

[@KopperNeoman]

I'm reminded of Halo, where you can easily tell a player-controlled Spartan, ODST, or Elite from an AI one is that the player shoots bullets above his gun to fit the first person viewmodel.

[@Tombr4mb4]

​@@syweb2 I tried Google to no avail, I'm assuming Bottle Water made it up?

[@MrSpruce]

Real viewmodel scout can't hurt you, he isn't real. *Real viewmodel scout:* 2:06

[@whynotanyting]

I fear no man, but that **thing**

[@stevecooper6578]

Heh Stand

[@Theentirehorse]

@@stevecooper6578 comedy genius

[@tonyf3431]

biblically-accurate Scout

[@desertsmeagol7073]

Lmao

[@lordkaos31]

The server is told you would like to shoot a rocket then it chooses yes or no Imagine firing your primary as soldier and just getting a giant piece of text on your screen saying(you have lost rocket privilege)

[@technoguyx]

sudo fire rocket

[@iamdumdum1234]

@@technoguyx [sudo] password for technoguyx:

[@Naleksuh]

@@chopper6408 technoguyx is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.

[@specterbektormektor8615]

Why do all my rockets I shoot hit then am I THE CHOEEN ONE?!!

[@Vladimir_Kv]

Actual future of the "cyber-army".

[@godslayer9000]

Shounic is helping tf2 developers get sleep at night by answering why certain stupid things happen in this game

[@mmfreshmeat2860]

Tf2 developers???

[@Cyrogenesis.]

I think he's one of the devs (joke)

[@speedinguy]

You mean the plant?

[@higps]

I also discovered this when trying to rebalance the syringe guns in the balance mod. Increasing the projectile speed increases the speed for everyone else except for the medic, as explained here, the medic firing the needles sees something else than the rest of the server.

[@jamiepointon01]

This might literally be someone's whole job at valve, not only are you finding these issues but proposing solutions to them. Great job man

[@AlexanderRM1000]

Valve should absolutely hire Shounic

[@sumkindacheeto]

It's all fun and games until you have to tackle the coconut question.

[@SyndicateOperative]

@L B Not necessarily. Valve isn't your standard company, look up their employee handbook.

[@seronymus]

6:00 Gaben after announcing a TF2 "update" and bot solutions a few days ago

[@Damashie]

Exactly, no need to get your hopes up :(

[@OmegaCoolsterDX]

yeah won't believe them till i see it :P

[@Ultra289]

Like every "cheating solution" every game company makes They are easy to bypass

[@jockeyfield1954]

@@Ultra289 go play another game and spend exactly 10 minutes trying to find a free cheat software that bypasses their anti-cheat without getting a single virus now, do the same thing but try and find cheat software you need to pay for after that, play tf2, search up tf2 cheats free, spend exactly 25 seconds looking for free cheat that can bypass vac, and now you can dominate every single server you join

[@Ultra289]

@@jockeyfield1954 you clearly dont understand the definition of easy to bypass Go ahead and tell me any online fps that doesnt have a cheating problem, you Wong find one

[@Kacp3rrak]

People who use crusader crossbow: *I missed the part where that's my problem*

[@ieuanhunt552]

The medic has more than 1 primary?

[@sheehan3204]

@@ieuanhunt552 ...yeah? that's kinda the bigger selling points of the game

[@ieuanhunt552]

@@sheehan3204 my point is that the crusader crossbow is so good that I almost forgot that the medic could equip anything else.

[@sheehan3204]

@@ieuanhunt552 Jesus fuck I missed that joke completely lol whoops that was rude im sorry

[@ieuanhunt552]

@@sheehan3204 it's not your fault jokes and sarcasm don't translate well into textual communication.

[@notnice-9623]

the motion graphics make my day

[@StickMaster500]

No wonder Medic lost his medical licence

[@alimesutturan1313]

@@shellyi 10 seconds ago wow

[@bruschetta7711]

Medic seems the kind of guy telling everyone and everytime how he lost his medical license

[@varyingcontent1836]

how are you everywhere at once?

[@vibaj16]

@@alimesutturan1313 34 minutes ago wow

[@RadecKZHF]

That doesn't even make sense

[@Davtwan]

The syringe gun may be the strangest weapon in TF2 when you learn how it works.

[@Gamepro5]

Yeah, I noticed that in MvM after the round ends my needles would appear to come out from way lower than before. Cool vid.

[@vinvigo2097]

wow, every TF2 character has a stand and its just their hands. neat

[@slovakthrowback3738]

lmaooo

[@mothichorror446]

Could call it A handstand

[@slovakthrowback3738]

@@mothichorror446 fuck you xD

[@mane8246]

Basically every game characters have stands

[@quitequeerquesadilla]

So glad I wasn’t the only one who thought of that

[@Mantafirefly]

So basically the server is actually tracking a series of syringes that all other players see, and the medic, the person firing the gun, gets these weird ghost syringes that may or may not correlate with the ones in the game world. Is that also true for spread?

[@trainershade1937]

I really want to see a Heavy using their fists with their first person viewmodels visible in third person. Also, I'd imagine making them visible to other players would massively screw with Spy, right? You just see a Red Engineer with Blue Spy arms sticking out of them.

[@Mordecai02]

But make the viewmodel arms purple

[@allenholloway5109]

Ah. This explains a lot of the unpredictable things that always happened when I used any syringe gun as Medic.

[@invschematics]

Seems like the mercenaries now have stands since the newest tf2 update, those stands can also use guns somehow...

[@Brunitman]

ZA GUN

[@kidkangaroo5213]

"yare yare daze" -heavy, probably

[@vencelistce9385]

Reminds me of white snake firing a gun

[@SmileytheSmile]

*2:09* STAND MASTER:『ZA SCOUT』 STAND NAME:『MR. SANDMAN』

[@kindertak5396]

jesus christ

[@papadane6807]

On v1.0.0.9 the needles where solid and we’re used for many out of bounds exploits involving the engineer. You could send teammates flying and even slow them down. Idk when they changed it but I think it’s interesting how much it allowed you to mess with physics lol

[@-Raylight]

Gaben : *"I tricked you hacker"* The bots : **proceed to Schadenfreude taunt*

[@applesyrupgaming]

you are everywhere

[@CraftMechanicYT]

This video’s thumbnail is gonna take on a whole different meaning if Gaben’s tf2 update is just localization files

[@PowerUpT]

Wait, did Gaben just call me a hecker? That's it, I'm defecting to EGS.

[@quitequeerquesadilla]

Don’t you dare...

[@timur5241]

What in all of mother russia is EGS?

[@applesyrupgaming]

@@timur5241 epic game store

[@timur5241]

@@applesyrupgaming ok

[@secretlyaslug2325]

The video model real POV thing is so insanely cool and interesting.

[@yeatnumber1Dmuncher]

6:00 tbh Gabe did kinda trick us during his latest interview

[@cache780]

you'll tell me where I can find the full of your avatar else I'll curse you with depth perception

[@Predator20357]

Did he though?

[@ahmed4363]

I want to know what that is since I'm out of the loop on the tf2 community

[@orange0666]

@@ahmed4363 He said that an update and a solution to the bot crisis were coming. I don't believe him tbh.

[@a_literal_crow]

@@cache780 just search up black scottish cyclops i thinks its one of the first results

[@emretekmen1602]

Your videos are so impressive! A behind-the-scenes video might be a cool idea, I'd be really interested in seeing how you animate, and discover all of these cool quirks of the game engine.

[@moronribbons5774]

This explains why I see extra arms on people from time to time, I guess the game isn't hiding their first person arm models from me due to tabbing out or something.

[@awsomebot1]

Youre one of the few youtubers I enable notifications for. Love your vids bro.

[@jmigsan]

2:08 wow ok seeing how big first person models are to third person models feel exceptionally cursed

[@AzzieEquinox]

Actually, I think you can still sometimes catch a glimpse of people's viewmodel arms when they use certain weapons. I'm not sure what causes this, but it most notably happens on Engineers using the Gunslinger or Spies with the Sharp Dresser. It doesn't show up as normal, however. Their upper arm and sleeves glitch out and become conjoined with their actual third person arms. But the lighting on those glitch arms look very similar to the viewmodels, so I suspect that's what they are.

[@trainershade1937]

They'd be a lot bigger if that was the case, such as what is seen in the video. In actuality, the game is just failing to properly connect certain cosmetics to the skeleton when items with a unique third person animation are involved.

[@5jasonc]

Lifeformed has some great music. I appreciate you using them for background tracks so much :)

[@lue64]

join us as we dive into how tf2 works. it's very interesting

[@m3rktiger948]

This explains why the view model changes whenever spectating someone.

[@FishDrinkLightGreen]

3rd person fov can't hurt you, it's not real 3rd person fov: 2:06

[@Fant]

These technical analysis of TF2's inner workings are great. Sure they aren't absolutely in-depth as the documentation that Valve has but it gives a lot of insight on choices and techniques Valve used to make the game what it looks now.

[@thumbscake]

so thats why you get the "squish" for no damage when you melee fight

[@no-vc9uu]

Dude 3:30 minutes into the video and i realize “wait why am I watching this”

[@gangrene9897]

Even wilder: cosmetic syringes fire in an entirely separate position to the server when using *cl_first_person_uses_world_models 1*

[@Noudele]

I love how the "your computer" icon is literally just a cheese grater

[@snah64]

I feel like this video was just an excuse to show the first person view models in third person and I couldn't be happier to see it.

[@fausto123]

Thank you very much for the video, you really explained a lot of doubts I had about the arms model in first person and where the camera was positioned.

[@aeipathy_live]

So I’ve been using a stand all these years?

[@Ana_Ng]

gorgeous visuals as always, thanks shounic

[@yeah8767]

Seeing the way view models work for the first time is extremely surreal

[@legospartan3.042]

I'm pretty fascinated about these videos. I like to learn about how the game engine or the game handles stuff

[@MeowMeowMeowMeowMeowMeowMeowww]

Hmm, i was always put off by the syringes not spawning at the muzzel. I noticed unconsciously very early on in my TF2 playtime that that there was something off with how the syringe gun is shooting syringes.

[@torinlike]

Thanks, now i can't unsee giant hands in first person

[@crocket7659]

"Come one paul i was hand hungry" -llama who has created war crimes

[@rainrunya]

it's actually a 72 hu long hitscan bullet isnt it

[@tobbby4359]

Man I love these in depth analysis videos

[@jmigsan]

I don't think I can see first person models the same way again

[@colourblindchalk]

how have i never realised the minigun shooting effect and shit clipping through walls yoooo also early gang

[@nixel1324]

In case anyone is wondering what the "real" weapon and arm positions would look like in first person (the opposite of what's shown in this video), there's a command for that. "cl_first_person_uses_world_model 1". You need to respawn for it to fully take effect. For first-person taunts, use "tf_taunt_first_person 1". To turn these off, replace 1 with 0. Some classes work better than others. Soldier's rocket launcher feels like a Fallout 4 viewmodel, but Pyro is pretty immersive.

[@Techhunter_Talon]

It's also a nice way of being able to see some of your cosmetics while in first person.

[@LeafseasonMagbag]

2:07 I wasn’t prepared! *AAAAAAAA*

[@bhx6252]

0:50 This is actually a pretty great description of delay vs rollback netcode in fighting games

[@sahar1213]

after 2 weeks in development, hopefully this video will have been worth the wait.

[@SnowEspeon]

5:03 how it feels trying to shoot someone with the syringe gun whenever they're more than a meter away

[@masterofthecontinuum]

2:05 Is this why spies sometimes have a second set of arms rendering on top of their real ones?

[@qmdap2832]

Your thumbnails are a work of art I love them so much

[@pigeondamigion569]

3:12 I AM ZE UBERMENSCH!

[@RoastCDuck]

I like this channel, it's the only one that gives a detailed autopsy of TF2 without anything awful and irrelevant.

[@wrakatere2907]

The medic has UBER HANDS.

[@VaultInteractive]

1:01 This ping is mitigated slightly with the direct hit

[@radiationpony8449]

I've never seen the view models overlapped like this before, defenetly explains why it feels like I need to be way closer to the enemy to melee them then they do to me

[@hanalewlew4164]

Has shounic ever done a video on why pyro takes so much damage from grenades that it reflects? I used to think it was simply like old bug where Pyro took mini crit damage from their own reflect rockets, but I was able to do 170 damage to myself with one grenade under a specific circumstance. This bug also does not happen with the Dragon's Fury. I think it would be a really cool mystery to uncover and of admittedly particular interest to me as a Pyro main lol

[@НелиелОксингейл]

This gives a lot of insight on how the online FPS can be made. There is a lot of experience, based of a series of trials and fails accumulated in TF2.

[@Jackcept1on]

What would happen if a class other than soldier or demo were to use The Half Zatoichi

[@vaclavkokes6236]

BUT WHY THE FUCK IS THERE A VISUAL EFFECT INSTEAD OF THE REAL PROJECTILES IN THE FIRST PLACE. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[@kiraangle2823]

man why does the whole cast gotta have stand power.

[@kidkangaroo5213]

that was my first thought as well :D Another reason to equip Eviction Notice and Tsar Platinum on Heavy and start punching people

[@juriwuw]

I love this series

[@MadmareMally]

i've personally also noticed strange behavior when using cl_first_person_uses_world_model

[@funguslars]

In depth and well explained video. Keep it up!

[@nomeansno5481]

Have you ever thought about making a video about how the rocket jumper still technically deals damage even when it doesn't? What I mean is that it still triggers effects that require taking damage whenever you rocket jump with it despite taking no damage. Examples include reseting the passive healing rate of the Concheror and triggering afterburn from the Gas Passer effect. It's a very strange oddity that I think is worth covering.

[@BurningApple]

I suspect it does in fact deal damage, only that the damage dealt is zero. All the things the game does when you get hit happen, and the game then proceeds to subtract zero from your health.

[@deathvideogame]

It calls the damage command, sets the health subtracting part to zero, and the knockback part to normal.

[@LightsJusticeZ]

Back in my day, we used syringes to needle jump to the top of the skybox on 2fort as an Engineer, and build teleporters up there with Snipers.

[@abdallatifalafandi2522]

This video is now history as of January 2023

[@beano1285]

Ah yes logic

[@_zigger_]

2:06 cursed

[@herrdoktor1810]

That partially explains why I never feel like any of my needles hit anything. The slow projectile speed doesn't help either of course.

[@tractorenjoyer9310]

2:07 scout discovers his stand power

[@cruddyzebrathegamer979]

I now understand why it feels like I’m shooting a smg with high ping when I use the syringe gun

[@andybogdan4380]

Nice video! Suggestion: look into left handed viewmodels. They are interesting as they modify the area of shooting.

[@skeleguns10oooooo10]

The Syringe gun is good at dealing with Spies when you have the Amputaor

[@Ash-zm1vx]

4-armed scout is the stuff of nightmares

[@NotASpyReally]

The information in this video isn't very useful, but just imagine if actual schools taught like this. It's so enjoyable to watch. A quality video with a calm voice, explaining everything in detail with not too short, not too long pauses, aided with great and beautiful graphical representations of what is being explained. And then _a comedy_ at the end :D I love your channel so much Shounic

[@NotASpyReally]

@@Marulauriu710 Well, maybe. I do stuff in Unity but I have never finished a proper game so maybe this _will_ be useful later.

[@cachalotreal]

That is so cursed, ominois and otherwordly, its like a stand ability. Why am i so creeped out

[@CiccioImberlicchio]

I don't know if you did it or now, but a video about how tf2 servers calculate hits and the process of it would be good. SO many times i get hit by splash damage from a distance that doesn't look right or get hit and die when my opponent is not even in view or when I'm behind a wall. And let's not talk about when i shoot someone as scout , i see my pellets hit but they do no damage or i shoot someone at point blank and i do 43 hit damage instead of an higher damage. This always perplexed me, especially the splash damage thing

[@TheBuilder]

Can we appreciate this game came out in 2007 and we're still talking about it?

[@aguywhodoesntexist]

Source code leak was a treasure trove and pandora box

[@mistyleo]

seeing how viewmodels are rendered has forever changed how i see the game

[@henke37]

To be technical, it isn't quite as simple as the server saying "yup, you were allowed to shoot the rocket". It's actually the server's copy of your weapon spawning the rocket as an entity in the game world. And then you get told about the spawned rocket.