[TF2] The Smash Fortress Tier List

[@C0DY420]

Since sniper can’t headshot in this game, the Sydney sleeper is a straight upgrade because it’s one downside of no headshots is negated

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

Sydney Sleeper fires rockets like the Bazaar Bargain and such meaning its an entirely different weapon

[@JrdnKritz]

@@SpaceGuyOnline iirc you said that sydney sleeper is one of the hitscan sniper rifles and said only bazaar and hitmans shoots rockets i.e 25:51 and 26:52

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

@@JrdnKritz thats a correction slated even in the description of the video, the gamemode got updated partially midway through the video resulting in the change, it used to fire its normal hitscan bullets but was changed to the rockets

[@JrdnKritz]

@@SpaceGuyOnline oh, i didnt read the description, thanks for the clarification

[@alexro2725]

The modding community is something else

[@beeberbonberber]

Hell yeah tha modding community is something else although I feel like this specific game mode is probably relatively easy to implement

[@JackfromIreland]

Can we all talk about how this guy recreated the smash 64 intro?

[@0_bus]

Space guy has gotten amazing at SFM

[@claustofobia6086]

It's so GOOD

[@orangehatretro]

Best intro

[@tower_defense_enjoyer]

​@@orangehatretroyes

[@stonkypig]

@@tower_defense_enjoyerhey man I went down the road of anti furry pfp and it’s not a good road. Crap on the toxic furries and not every furry. I’m not necessarily pro-furry, but I’m not anti-furry either. Think about your profile picture.

[@isenokami7810]

The Hot Hand was created solely for this opening bit to exist.

[@JackNick2000]

Having never heard about this game mode before, I will assume this is an April Fools video Edit: it is not an April Fools joke

[@FIVEBASKET]

It's not

[@jimmybuba2683]

It's real gaem!

[@Ikaros-fo5cb]

The porygon reference is because in gen one battles there is a very strict meta but porygon can still be good in very specific situations

[@ShadeVial]

more specificity while being overall a kinda bad pokemon, due to some certain damage thresholds and a bit of gen 1s terrible code it can wall the SS tier must run insane snorlax. Being able to out heal body slams with recover and not being able to be paralyzed due to paralyze chance on moves being programed weird and instead of needing to be electric type you are immune if you share a type with the move. And body slams 30% chance to paralyze cutting your speed in half and making every move a coin flip along with being a permeant status effect it is a major part of the metagame. Also normal types in general are just busted as fighting type moves basically do not exist (there are like, 2 that can hit for super effective and one deals self damage and is like less then 60 base power and the other only one pokemon even learns) and literally the only ghost type is gengar. Who is only okay since the only damaging ghost type move is lick at 20 power and is physical attack. Gen 1 is weird.

[@dontKILLmyCAT]

shout outs BigYellow for teaching this shit

[@Ikaros-fo5cb]

@@dontKILLmyCAT I like to watch reverent for that stuff

[@Ikaros-fo5cb]

@@ShadeVial also thanks for going into more detail

[@coffeeluci]

I feel like that much is obvious from the phrasing, but the specifics of it being good against specific Snorlax builds is not very obvious.

[@SirCap]

Me, a Medic Main: “I’m sure Med will be mid to low tier. Like yeah, Uber is powerful, but…” *finishes the video* “Oh.”

[@lucianogastonbuetdelgado7670]

German science best science

[@mariustan9275]

@@lucianogastonbuetdelgado7670 I think you mean: GERMAN SCIENCE IS THE GREATEST SCEINCE IN THE WORLD!

[@filelost9194]

​@@mariustan9275For me it was "GERMAN SCIENCE IS THE WORLD'S FINEST!"

[@Speedster428]

Me a spy main expecting him to be bottom tier

[@NoWayAmIAChannel]

Deutschland für immer

[@anthonyriego659]

The two things i love about this vid: 1. The recreation of the SSB64 intro is perfect 2. SpaceGuy complaining about Dipping Dots

[@theglitch0870]

Also, the Rocket Jump Waltz remix during the Soldier section!

[@reubenbailey7491]

Duude, the recreation of the smash 64 intro (apart from the camera not zooming in on the gloves when he counts down, C'MAWWWN) in the beginning was QUALITY

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

Master Hand also snaps his fucking fingers with his index instead of his middle finger which looks so jarring to me

[@alejandropetit6573]

Thossmash renders that you put for every character at the end of their description are so amazing they could easily make someone think they are official renders, amazing job to whoever made then. Also I feel personally attacked by the gen 1 porygon joke as one of the 4 people that has actually seen it in action

[@GritterTheBuckethead]

Nice how with the exception of Vs Saxton Hale, Pyro seems to have a knack of getting into top tier.

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

Update, pyro’s viable now, not top tier though

[@GritterTheBuckethead]

@@Aaa-vp6ug He definitely needed the airblast buff.

[@UFO_MAN]

I grew up on super smash brothers for the 64, that intro was truly masterful.

[@heybro4000]

Uncalled for diss on dippin dots. Its the ice cream of the future, not their fault everyone is stuck in the past

[@lurien1386]

Seeing one of my favorite KZbinrs make a video about one of my favorite games is perfect.

[@elijosc1963]

33:55 people running Porgon in gen 1 ou when 5 other pokemon not named snorlax exist

[@potato1341]

I always had an internal sorta tier list for a TF2 character's eligibility to be part of the smash roster. SSS tier- Demoman. S tier- Soldier, Pyro A tier- Heavy, Scout D tier- Spy F tier- Sniper, Engineer, Medic I had rationales for each tier but basically I reasoned with which characters could have a standard TF2 true-to-form inclusion in Smash what DIDN'T break any traditional smash rules. I rank Demoman as the clear winner cause of his sheer versatility, melee and ranged. He doesn't use a traditional "gun" so his character wouldn't be reliant on a gun which, despite a handful of appearances in smash, wouldn't seem to bode over well with the cast as a whole. Hell, he almost seems made for smash, there's a good number of possibilities with demoman's moveset, he could be a sword user with good range, a brawler with his bottle or a projectile spammer. He has easily the most options for a potential recovery between sticky jumping, shield charging, loose canon jumping etc. and I feel he'd be able to perfectly replicate the playstyle from TF2 into smash. Soldier and pyro are close, in all honesty, probably tied for second. Both don't use traditional guns as their primary, both have movement options and both have a variety of melee weapons which would give a smash dev LOTS of choice for their move kit. Both have obvious recovery option and a decent variety of weapons which keep true to form. I'd imagine some things would need changing, like Pyro's reliance on DoT, but both of them seem like solid choices. A tier, heavy and scout, while very different, I feel could work. Heavy is mostly cause he's iconic, despite the fact he doesn't seem like smash material, I could see them working around him. They'd likely want to limit his reliance on minigun-style weapons but he could probably keep it, even if guns aren't the game's forte. Scout I feel would be the actual better choice of the two, even if both of them would be heavily reliant on guns and buffs via drinks/lunchbox items and their melees being a bit more basic, both of them have some value. Spy is... Somehow not the worst choice. He has a gun and a knife, which would compliment his move set, but he's simply not a 1v1 character. His place is in a team-based game, spy wouldn't be able to keep most the things that are spy-like. Invis wouldn't really help, his disguise if kept true to game wouldn't accomplish anything and most his gimmicks like dead ringer just wouldn't work. Finally, F tier, the characters who I think would be detrimental to smash if in the game and kept true to form. Engineer, don't need to say much. Campy, linear, supposed to be a team player and I could see him being a poor choice. Completely reliant on guns and sentries, I could see him having cool gimmicks like metal and teleporters but just putting a sentry up, using a shotgun and using a teleporter? I'd hate to even try to fight him. Sniper, even more campy and linear without the cool things engineer has. He'd have to have a sniper or a bow and his kukri. He'd just be a projectile/range spammy character with high damage, low movement options and jarate. And Medic, I wanted to save the worst till last, Medic would simply be a godawful character. Syringe gun, no. Crossbow, no. MEDIGUN, NO. He'd be either the worst character in the game cause he's not made for offence or the best cause if you have him as a double's partner, he heals his teammate and gives them literal invincibility every few seconds. He's a supplement, maybe a character to add onto another character like if you wanted to make a soldier-medic or heavy-medic combo like the ice climbers where one does the damage and medic follows and heals, which would be a dope af concept, but under the assumption that these are stand alone characters, medic is the worst.

[@gameingtothemax6266]

medic and engineer would be better as assist trophies.

[@NeoPlatz]

Spy would just be worst Joker in smash bros 😂.

[@isenokami7810]

I could see the Medic as an assist trophy, definitely not fighter material though.

[@ThingInTheHall]

Battle Engie might work, and Huntsman Sniper is a more mobile option. Sniper prolly wouldnt work, but i can a Gunslinger Engie workinh

[@isenokami7810]

I think the ratings on the three core stats you gave for the Engie segment would’ve been nice to have for the other classes too. Great way to show how terrible Engie is in a single shot, but it’s good to have the data on everyone else too.

[@trystanreadman1764]

35:10 "scout is an exceptional harasser" oh how right you could be

[@lilyofthatvelley]

JOKES ON YOU I GOT THE GEN 1 PORYGON JOKE . . .also cool video but I am now salty from the amount of game corner time that mostly useless piece of junk cost. . ."mostly" useless. thanks for bringing it up, good video 10/10 would recommend

[@danielsurvivor1372]

L Engineer unable to ruin the fun of Smash Fortress gamemode W all classes having F U N fighting challenging classes with dozen of counterplay options, instead of fighting Engidevil

[@Wounded_Asclepius]

Didn't expect a tier list for this, considering that the gamemode is sadly pretty dead. Know any active servers for this? Hell, I'll take servers that only have like, 3 people playing on it tops.

[@badasscrusader]

Well the way its balanced can you blame people for avoiding it?

[@captainbosspigreaperkaiser6809]

Medic in this game mode: I just not support the violence. I am the violence.

[@jimmybuba2683]

Who smash wha? Btw this intro animation is fantastic damn

[@lavalord96]

Dont worry i got the porygon joke, i fucking LOVE gen 1 porygon because hes such a fucking ANOMALY in gen 1 ou and UBERS for some reason-

[@jawlesspepper6103]

This is one of many reasons why the tf2 community is alive and bomming

[@ShockInazuma]

That intro was fire. Also, as someone who has tried Dippin' Dots, personally I don’t think they’re as horrible as it’s let on to be.

[@tatt8609]

22:35 THERE I AM GARY THERE I AM

[@Speedster428]

Nice

[@sythrus]

Dont worry, at the very least I understand the porygon reference. "Snorlax's fear him!"

[@somegenericpersonontheinte9327]

Idk if it’s because I’m from a country where you can’t get dippin dots so it might just be it being rare that makes it good but I liked the cookie dough dippin dots

[@JackNick2000]

9:56 does the game mode change the Frontier Justice to allow it to heal buildings?

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

No, it's probably just the UI bugging out slightly, there's times where I look away from my Sentry and it shows it not being built due to wrench conflicts

[@Destroyer_odides]

@@SpaceGuyOnline I feel like I’m going to get whooshed but ypu do realize what he meant right? You said frontier justice and showed the rescue ranger

[@Destroyer_odides]

@@SpaceGuyOnline maybe I’m just not understanding what you mean tho

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

@@Destroyer_odides Mind blank then, just meant the Rescue Ranger

[@Destroyer_odides]

@@SpaceGuyOnline it’s fine I just thought I was going insane

[@havelthejock3761]

They should have made it so that pyro simply deals high dps with his flames, which set up for a bit knock back with his air blast. But no, let's just have his high tick rate flamethrower deal knock back every tick :)

[@theSato]

That intro was great, I'm only disappointed that , after the title screen, it didnt move on to the N64 "how to play" scene lmao - wouldve been a clever way to introduce people like me to what Smash Fortress is and how its played

[@Lmaster800]

Ngl Porygon being an actual way to pp stall Snorlax in gen 1 competitive is insane

[@rordongamsay8478]

Hey, I did get the Gen 1 Porygon bit! Porygon consistently counters Snorlax in Gen 1 OU, who is likely the top 2 pokémon in the game, which is amazing, and that's kind of the only thing he does in Gen 1 OU. So it's only valuable for that matchup... Everything else claps it.

[@jakedoesyoutube]

The only difference between engineer in smash fortress and dippin dots is that dippin dots has the banana split flavor which is absolute fire.

[@keaton5101]

i'm going to completely ignore the content of the video and attack your opinion on dippin' dots. no they're not better than ice cream, but it's not about that. it's about the texture. it's supposed to be fucking novel!!! they're never going to replace ice cream but they're a nice change of pace when sold in random places like fairs and zoos! that's why they stay there! i hope you enjoyed that comment, because its free engagement. i need to rewind the video now and actually watch the demo part

[@jackyfudge5115]

Amazing video, I just wanted because I see no one else has apparently. Compliment you on the alliteration, truly thorough. Also 36:23 is goofy where that guy randomly has 20 million damage

[@Mister.Scotty]

Man right now I’m my bed suffering from COVID 19 and your video is making it better so thanks.

[@dr.roboto3355]

26:07 (almost) ALL OF THEM.

[@ender3530]

That introduction was honestly incredible. Great video overall

[@bebrasmachnayq5691]

On 6 april i see you on server. You was dancing as sniper and when i joined(i was ГРИГОРИЙ ЧУМА) u left. if it was not you this guy had literally same costume like your youtube profile

[@irpsicologiayeducaciongrup8251]

Well I didn't know this was a thing, cool.

[@fenghinanshoseji347]

Wow medic in S tier. I never saw out of all game modes... that super smash fortress is S tier for medic.

[@memememe7081]

I immediately clicked of the video the moment I saw dip and dots slander, disgusting.

[@villagemarauder]

33:51 the fact that recover had 20pp (which is brought to 32 with pp ups) was ridiculous, but I'm glad my boy had something.

[@JackieKog]

The Dippin' Dots visual on the thumbnail autoplay made me think that this was an april fools' joke

[@personalsheep1850]

thought i'd pop this on while i'm waiting for my dispenser to build, my only gripe is it isn't quite long enough😔

[@Pants715]

Let’s all be real, all of them are viable to smash with 😊

[@lordpumpkinhead265]

They're definitely options, just not GOOD options. It's like choosing to eat at Burger King instead of a local burger joint with good ratings.

[@Pants715]

@@lordpumpkinhead265 better to smash with one of them. Then none though right? (r/whoosh)

[@kisapniaq]

Hey There I just wanted you to know I watch Yellow too don’t worry I know about Gen one porygon in OU to check Snorlax due to jank

[@virgilabloh5489]

gen 1 porygon is one of the only pokemon that can reliably counter snorlax (a top 3 pokemon)

[@chickentwink]

I'm sorry, but because you dissed dipping dots, I have no choice but to remove my like, I will remain subscribed, but you should not diss dipping dots again. -CEO of Dipping Dots

[@woodenaiden2054]

so you're telling me that Demoman is basically just Marth? Sign me up!

[@fortnitesexman]

33:53 you fool! i too watch the big yellow man

[@mr.awesomesauce8412]

You nailed the alliteration (honestly it annoyed me last time)

[@builditup9327]

yo chief I think you put in the Panda-Community server IP twice in the description

[@pdimp3573]

i love how pyro is just what he normaly is times 50

[@Uhhhhhhhhhhh6]

Hmph Hmm Hmm!

[@bloonjitsu7148]

I feel like I'm one of the only people who got the Porygon reference

[@isenokami7810]

You’re not, you’re really not. I thank Big Yellow for clueing me into that one.

[@C0DY420]

Wouldn’t the splendid screen be viable because of its faster recharge?

[@callumbreton8930]

The balancing choices made in this game mode are more baffling than the Mary Celeste. They smashed the kneecaps of Engineer’s, well, everything, with no actual way for him to fight on his own OR with his equipment, literally one benefit was given to him, and that’s on the POMSON of all things. What exactly were they going for when they disembowelled him like an Aztec sacrifice? Then there’s the ammo changes, which benefit some classes far more than it should while destroying other classes entirely, with the best highlight being Heavy and Medic. Crippling Heavy’s one reliable tool for damage is one thing, but then giving Medic his ENTIRE stock of needles? I know Heavy’s minigun is really scary, but then they went and not only made the needle guns even more effective with no ammo downside, but GRANT HIM INVINCIBILITY? It wouldn’t be too egregious if ammo was more plentiful, but there’s like 4 spots at best to get a single pack, which just makes the ammo availability worse. To add insult to injury, the ammo regen barely helps Heavy but GREATLY assists Medic in sustaining his offence, further widening the disparity between the two. The last change isn’t as severe as the previous two, but still irks me, is the complete removal of DoT effects. Why? I’d get it for the flamethrower not having them, because God knows we need a stronger Pyro as much as a submarine needs screen doors, but EVERY weapon? Why the Cleaver? The Wrap Assassin? The Southern Hospitality?

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

I'm mainly going to assume that all the changes present were simply a result of the specific server played on rather than the gamemode as a whole. I have very vivid memories of most classes having infinite ammo with simply needing to reload the clip or wait for the ammo to regen after you stop firing for a second, this server didn't have that. Same thing with DoT, I recall bleed being a thing that would constantly knock you away, making you more or less fly. But it also appears to have been removed. It's probable that the server tweaked the base game or the game actually got updated to be somehow worse on a fundamental level. (As for Engineer, you can't really justify having level 3 sentries that would just instakill anyone caught in the radius, he's just not designed for the game)

[@myorangesarenice1122]

I love Smash and TF2 this a dream come true 😳👍 he also using smash musica😮

[@brospeed394]

When you said the Man dread man o man I thought you gonna trash on it & show it go through a divorce or something

[@__0bliv1on__]

Pyro's been having a redemption arc since Saxton Hale

[@jerielrocket1]

why did i looks at the cover for this video and immediately think smash for trees

[@tylerbeanstraw7411]

I feel special for understanding the proygon (the snorlax killer) joke

[@farhadazizi7702]

36:22 HOW IS THE ENEMY AT 20000367%?!?!??!?

[@BabzaiWWP]

your sfms get better with every video

[@godwin972]

i got the porygon joke and i appreciate it :)

[@smithbabies7886]

This video was nothing but Dippin` Dots propaganda

[@Iron_Soil]

Didint discuses prevent knockback?

[@J.CDenton]

dont you fucking diss dippindots man those slap hard

[@monkeymanspunkyman]

I get the porygon reference dw. Funny how the wingers niche would be providing mobility while porygons is stalling BodySlam PP and avoiding paralysis

[@greendevilertan]

Been playing smash fortress back in the day. Mostly played demoknight. It's a coin flip between bullying enemy team and being bullied

[@RobinRhombus2]

The Hot Hand…

[@3lvisplay]

Oh boy here it comes

[@skeletorthebest7204]

me when the Porygon walls Snorlax for days

[@johnmcswag5980]

33:54 I did not expect a reference to the niche use porygon has as a snorlax check in gen 1 rby OU in a smash tf2 video but im glad I did

[@AugustTheNinjaGR360]

Um ACTUALLY, Dippin' Dots is GOOD because it TASTES good, okay? Dippin' Dots is normal Ice Cream BUT BETTER in every single way you can imagine. Drinking Dippin' Dots Ice Cream SAVED MY LIFE.

[@jameswestern3931]

Totally missed the chance to put Medic in SS tier

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

SS Tier would imply like zero weakness though, Medic does have 1 which is when he has no Uber, he's at high percentages and he's fighting a hitscan class from range Arguably you could say that one weakness alone makes him SS tier but Pyro also has the same issue but has a lot more of a reliable recovery.

[@jameswestern3931]

@@SpaceGuyOnline Agreed but I moreso meant for a different reason.

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

@@jameswestern3931 Ahhh I gotcha

[@thephoenixfromoz]

GERMAN SCIENCE IS ZA BEST IS ZA WORLD!!!

[@gameingtothemax6266]

engineer is like ice climbers, to make effective use of him, put down a sentry and than shoot people, don't just put down a sentry or just shoot people. using the wrangler is just like turning ice climbers into just nana, it defeats the whole purpose of the entire character, you wanna know what engineer does well? area denial. and he's much better at it than heavy is because sentry's have perfect aim(another reason *NOT* to use the wrangler) and more ammo. also he kinda counters pyro who is kinda an S tier.

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

The only issue with that is still how laughably weak the shotguns are and how extremely limited the sentries capabilities are. Area denial means very little in this game, especially for the sentry which is incapable of moving allowing it to be bery easily spammed out without any defense, even if someone walks into the sentry's zone, they'll only be knocked back out of it and not off stage or something, assuming they get knocked back at all simply due to how slow the sentry actually builds up percentage damage, even with you helping it along with a shotgun.

[@gameingtothemax6266]

@@SpaceGuyOnline yes, but the spam thing is also true of normal TF2. also again, it counters pyro by constantly knocking him out of it's range. also maybe the sentry on it's own is underwhelming, or the engineer himself is underwhelming, but judging them individually is like judging the ice climbers individually, or judging Rosalina and luma individually, their a package deal. also engineer in smash fortress is more defensive than offensive, because his sentry allows him to just make an area of the map just his domain, where he has the advantage over anyone, this works better in enclosed or semi-enclosed spaces. I'm not saying he should be S tier, but countering an S tier should at least put him into C tier, not to mention he also somewhat counters medics self ubering due to the sentry's nonstop damage. also the sentry never misses, unlikely heavy

[@hylianmango8272]

Good video butcan people stop acting like SWT did nothing wrong, the company that owns it, VGBC, has terrrible security, especially on the last day of most of their events which, might I remind you, is the most important day because its the Top 8 day, basically no bag checks, banned players and viewers can get in easily.

[@linusdickens4767]

16:32 lol that's the stats for the loose cannon

[@ImaginaryNeon]

Still can't find any servers...

[@chacharealsmooth9480]

6:35 Nusantaran-bros we out here 🇮🇩

[@kleinerstudios3598]

Smash fortress? Do you know of any community servers still running that? Also I completely agree with the dippin dots take (why is that shitty ice cream in every local amusement park).

[@warp5532]

that intro made me unreasonably happy

[@DJBaphomet]

Oh my god I thought no one remembered this gamemode, and now there's a video highlighting it with 40k+ views? I really really hope this somewhat revives the gamemode, I seriously loved playing it back in 2014/2015 after seeing Ster's videos on it

[@mrmedic7799]

Dr Mario in Smash is best character (Hello? Fellow Dr Mario mains? ... where is everybody?)

[@bahuthanwin21]

I love when I have infinte range

[@Recarsonated]

Honestly I would love if someone patched this mode to balance it more (kinda like saxton hale to freak fortress 2, we need a Smash Fortress to Smash Fortress Melee)

[@ChipDrewPog]

holy shit that intro was actually amazing wtf

[@stop8388]

gen 1 porygon kinda heat tho

[@mythmakroxymore1670]

I think Pyro would join the Smash roster best. His loony pyroland helps fit the aesthetic better than… well, demo’s favorite things, and he has tons of unique items with effects unique to him. Upsmash can be Thermal Thruster, downsmash is detonator, side smash is airblast or the Scorch shot. For tilts, use random crit Volcano Fragment and the Rainblower tauntkill. Air attacks should utilize the flamethrower for normal a presses, and air smashes should utilize Axtinguisher. Grabs? Smack em with the gas passer or hot hand and airblast them for throws.

[@critbucket]

you sound like the tf2 gaben tutorial speech bubble things everytime you begin to talk in a new recording

[@jadenmudge]

That's a funny April Fools troll! wait... WAIT WHA-

[@afpnia1068]

i feel like garfield from the garfield comics (the orange cat) would be a closet racist

[@Anarqism]

I mean he cant talk

[@benbevan3120]

I liked for the intro alone

[@Lillybonnet22]

any reference to gen 1 porygon is always surprising and i welcome it

[@catisticallyspeaking]

The fucking dippin dots rant at the end made me laugh more than I have in a very long time

[@TinyEngi]

I never thought someone would make a video about this gamemode... Interesting..