[TF2] Throw Meme Weapons

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Team Fortress 2 and memes go hand in hand. Unfortunately, not every meme is funny, and I'm not just talking about the offensive ones. These are some Throw Meme Weapons in TF2.
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[@TealOpal]

Hey there all! There's been a lot of comments so far on this video saying "these weapons are actually really good in Medieval Mode/Degroot Keep!" While this may be true, I'd like to remind you all that a weapon's only positive use case being in a game mode where 90% of class abilities are stripped away and every player is put on nearly equal ground is, in fact, not a positive! That's like saying that someone is an MMA fighter because they beat a 6 year old in a boxing match. A weapon being good on Degroot Keep is NOT a boon to it and does, in fact, indicate exactly the opposite. I hope y'all enjoy the video either way!

[@rockowlgamer631]

I use the hibernating bear set unironically, it's definitely for shits and giggles but I've gotten a 31 ks with it one time. Stupid fun for sure.

[@btf_flotsam478]

Also, some of these weapons are good in MvM, but they are extremely different both in terms of what you are doing (killing large groups of enemies vs killing at most 3-4 enemies that people go even against by definition) and, due to weapon upgrades, even with weapon balance. They're effectively different games.

[@BanermanArthropide]

Where'd the off-meta video go

[@entow2012]

the buffalo stake sandvich is so GOOD.

[@timbuktuesday]

One of my favorite items is a professional killstreak caber simply called “demoman jumpscare”. It shouldn’t be as funny as it is, but I love it

[@forwhomthebelltrolz]

Named my pro strange caber plan z

[@irohnic473]

Mine is named “Yippe ki yay muthafu-“

[@forwhomthebelltrolz]

@@irohnic473 Description is for when plans a through y don't work. Plan Z.

[@billnyedoesminecraftjoseph8379]

Professional killstreak caber has to be the worst item combo ever 😭

[@timbuktuesday]

@@billnyedoesminecraftjoseph8379 that’s what makes it so great. Also, it has my favorite sheen and eye effect. I also got that one from mvm myself

[@milliondollarmistake]

The conceptual use case for the Steak is the reason why it's banned in a couple of comp settings. It's a free speed boost that doesn't lower your base health. Plus it's still a medium healthpack for your medic which is what your sandvich is used for in 95% of situations

[@TealOpal]

I wanna letcha know that I always appreciate your comments. Getting reminded of niche conceptual comp strategies is one of the most annoying things that TF2 KZbinrs have to deal with in general, but I always appreciate that your comments on the matter are level headed, constructive, and explanatory without being rude or condescending. You're like the only person who I'll listen to on the matter.

[@milliondollarmistake]

@@TealOpal I'm a little surprised to hear that because I feel like there's some (unintended) snark in some of the things I write. But idk maybe that's just my anxiety lol, I just like discussing TF2

[@monkeeboy830]

i was gonna point this out but you said it much better than i could've so ill just like your comment.

[@thatprotogen2456]

​@@TealOpal i once killed a pyro by running at them with it, they thought they could get away when i suddenly teleported behind them, they called me racial slurs :)

[@Half-Homo-Homosapien]

​@@thatprotogen2456love to hear it

[@MarcusFigueras]

It's bizarre that the caber doesn't have a meter for the explosive to regenerate slowly, like how the razorback has now. It wouldn't change the weapon use dramatically, but you can now use your melee more than once in a life

[@masterofthecontinuum]

I just use it on small maps like harvest and 2fort, equip full demoknight with boots, usually the screen for its crits at any charge range, and then run back to spawn after every kill. I can often get a 5 killstreak with this strategy. And it's fucking funny as hell. You can also use the sticky jumper. I try to troll snipers on 2fort

[@Nobodyever_434]

The market caber​@@masterofthecontinuum

[@ambvurt3739]

If the kaber had a “mini crits while blast jumping” it would be so good again without being totally oppressive.

[@Ethylus]

minuscule grit

[@ambvurt3739]

@@Ethylus southern autocorrect

[@Ethylus]

@@ambvurt3739 yeah that happens to me when I type crits too

[@SproingBoing]

When you enter the Scottish Caber Toss but forgot to let go of the Caber

[@jakestaheli8532]

That and a refill time

[@thegoose8663]

Interesting fact that I just learned. While not as reliable as it could be - Caber can one shot light classes IF you aim at their feet. Closer the explosion higher the damage, the distance is calculated from feet to the center of explosion. Is it perfect? Nope, but as far as killing a clueless sniper on Doublecross it does the job pretty well.

[@SP-sy5nq]

The hot hand should have been able to switch an enemies held weapon randomly on hit

[@dylanwrigley6081]

I actually find it's good in mediaeval mode due to more crits

[@artifactU]

no thats stupid

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

I think its interesting there's a ring clearly underneath the hot hands glove. Also The hot hand is secretly a bat. The damage Penalty only makes mathematical sense if the individual hits are using the bat's base damage.

[@beato1558]

i reckon they mightve used the holy mackerel as a blueprint for it in that case

[@2-Way_Intersection]

@@beato1558 probably since, before now, the only weapons with this effect (i.e calling out hits/kills in the feed) were scout melees,

[@ItsGBMoD]

what do you mean theres a ring? i cant see anything ring-shaped under the glove on the model

[@HenryXLII]

The Caber definitely sucks, but I will say the allure of the crit caber when using the Targe is a bit too much for my ape brain to pass up. A well time crit can kill a small chunk of the enemy team, and even one shot a heavy. I really wish the hit reg was better though, because timing that kind of play is really much harder than it needs to be.

[@Lugiiiii]

Funnily enough, the Buffalo Steak Sandvich *does* have a small niche outside of Medieval Mode, that being, when comboed with the Warrior's Spirit in MvM with max firing speed, it can be a shockingly good tank shredder. You'd be better shooting the robots, but if there's only a tank, it's better than shooting your minigun at it! Not like you're using your secondary and melee for much else, anyway.

[@MarcusFigueras]

It's weird how TF2 just has a bunch of weapons that are in their currently design, just objectively bad to use. Like, if this was an RPG or something, there might be a case to use something until you find another better one, but for TF2, you already have weapons that are better.

[@RyanORourke18]

2:25 is that Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of firearms and artillery at the Royal Armouries Museum in the UK, which houses a collection of thousands of iconic weapons from throughout history?

[@SproingBoing]

Remember when you could terrorize 2Fort Snipers with the Caber's one shot? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[@steampunk1902]

i remenber a friend saying that the caber will decent if at least recharge on kill,by collecting ammo or every 30s

[@celestialpurp]

(I almost thought you didn't know about the lack of Charge Minicrits on the Caber, but thankfully not) Either way, I'm disappointed that Crit Shields were undersold when talking about The Caber. Despite the Caber Explosion being separate from the Melee itself, it still keeps the properties of being Crit boosted. As a result, when charging with a Crit Caber, it has the capability to one hit kill basically everything in the game with ~390 damage. Sure, it takes a lot of setup, and is very risky due to the reduced turns of the Crit Shields, but if you can get it work, it's very rewarding. Even to the people only getting impacted by the explosion, 150 damage is still scary to anyone in the blast radius of the Caber. It might not seem like much, but it can legitimately be threatening under the right circumstances.

[@discount_australian8449]

Was looking for this comment, thanks for adding it

[@AnthonyDaFox]

the Viablity the BSS has is in MVM for Tank shredding

[@TealOpal]

That's great but from my experience Heavy is usually focusing Bot waves in MVM while his team kills tanks

[@plbster]

BSS is the best heavy secondary in MVM tank waves imo, heavy doesn't really eat his sandvich in MVM, so using it as just a medium health pack with the ability to take out tanks if need be is just better than the sandvich, now on waves/maps without tanks then yeah the sandvich is the better utility.

[@AnthonyDaFox]

@@TealOpal all they really need to do is get rid of those stupid damage vulnerablity. Make it a Discount melee only crit-a-cola.

[@taxing4490]

The caber is a very food fuck you in particular weapon, very fun to use with the loose canon and splendid screen.

[@1994736507385985]

That my exact loadout 😂

[@terrifichorse369]

it is infact very food i eat it all the time

[@icetide9411]

The steak should have given Heavy a damage negation instead so then he could basically lose his DPS but become ungodly tanky. Then he could get in their face and just soak up damage by getting in the way, at least then it would have a niche of "Less damage, more tank"

[@oicmorez4129]

another note about the hot hand is that due to the double-attack, it's terrible with crits, which is how most melee weapons get kills anyway

[@gremlinton9815]

steak+kgb=grofit I remember when evictionnotice wasn't nerfed yet, it was a great combo for a speed heavy. good times

[@TealOpal]

Okay but you still need two punches to kill a light class and you'd still get crits afterwards either way, with or without the Steak.

[@M4x_P0w3r]

@@TealOpal But the added speed makes it easier for you to connect those first two punches, and then start a chain of one punching class after class.

[@nss129i]

imo the gas passer is worse than all 3 of these weapons because you cant even use it when you spawn

[@drivanradosivic1357]

actually, if the Gas passer had its recharge rate and damage charge gain changed from 60 seconds and 600 damage in PVP mode to 30 seconds and 300 damage or 45 seconds and 450 damage, that would make it better. Plus, if the Gas passer item mechanics were a core part of the class in a equipment slot, that would make the GasPasser style mechanics great for grenades, mines and utility items and solves the Team Fortress Classic grenade spammability issue.

[@supermudkipz]

@@drivanradosivic1357 The Gas Passer is just a slow Scorch Shot. Everything you can do with the Gas Passer you can do with one shot of the Scorch Shot or Detonator.

[@drivanradosivic1357]

@@supermudkipz which is why I want improvements, even lowering the damage and time needed to recharge the Gas Passer is(I think 750 damage and 60 seconds to 450 damage and 40 seconds or 300 damage and 30 seconds) would make it better. I would include the ability to Press R to change between Gasoline cloud mode and Gasoline bomb mode. the recharge with damage and over time is a GREAT mechanic for grenade, mines and utility types for a slot 7 to switch to and use them, and you have one item to use, compared to Team Fortress Classic's mechanics of having 3 to 4 grenades and quick use keys would be a better way to use nades.

[@supermudkipz]

@@drivanradosivic1357 The Gas Passer needs to do more than just fire in order to set it apart from the likes of Pyro's other crowd control secondaries, such as making them take more fire damage or having the afterburn damage be unextinguishable by normal means.

[@drivanradosivic1357]

@@supermudkipz So, Both Gasoline Cloud and Gasoline Bomb also giving a Gasoline debuff, where you take more fire damage and/or the Gasoline Afterburn is unextinguishable by normal means(medic crossbows and healthpacks do not help extinguish, resupply cabinet does, but going to resupply is an issue, you can use dispensers and mediguns to endure out the Gasoline Afterburn damage) with the only exception of extinguishing by Manmelter, because who would main a Manmelter a lot? (that and other things also need improvements, RIFT items aka SOAS and SVF, anyone?) that would also make the Gaspasser good to use. Also, I am of the opinion that the Scorch shot needs the bounce as a alt fire.

[@1MoreSonicRobot]

Would it be better if the Buffalo Steak had a "Heal on Hit" mechanic?

[@redstonewarrior0152]

It would be better if it was a 20% damage resistance in place of a 20% damage vulnerability.

[@1MoreSonicRobot]

@@redstonewarrior0152 I went with the heal on hit because every lunch box item does something with dedicated healing. The Sandvik is a straight forward self heal, the Dolokos Bar overheals, and the second banana recharges twice as fast and can be used twice. As far as I know none of the lunch box items have any resistances.

[@SophiaLilithUwU]

if that also came with a lack of damage vulnerability i could see it. The steak already makes you go into peoples face, meaning you eat all of their shots and melee attacks without a significant way to dodge, the damage vulnerability is entirely unnecessary in the light of that, the playstyle it forces you into already make you more vulnerable.

[@Huntingtomatoes1111]

Buffalo is only good for destroying people with holiday punch or bear punch

[@Huntingtomatoes1111]

Fyi i am also a heavy main (and a pyro main)

[@thewolfstu]

17:37 I was about to say "but Gas Passer is great for MVM" but then I remember we're talking about if it's liked... so, no, yeah, def. lmao

[@Awesomeness-iz3dh]

2:50 "One shot light classes" the Caber can one-shot a Heavy if you get the crit from charging. If you worry more about having fun and less about racking up a KDR, caberknight is actually ridiculously fun for this reason. I've completed entire Demoman contracts with caberknight. The Buffalo Steak is also not as bad as people say it is. It still has the supportive utility of the Sandvich while being an option to increase your movement speed without the health drain of the GRU or Eviction Notice (and is banned in competitive for this reason, as it makes Heavy's rollout insane). I've also had some genuine fun just using it as intended. It doesn't work on a more focused gamemode like Attack/Defend or Payload, but on a map that's very split up where everyone is more doing their own thing such as Banana Bay, you can go ham running people over with your melee before they can even react (which I ended up doing once to my own surprise and delight when I realized I left it on in place of the Sandvich when I'd neglected to swap off a meme loadout at once point.) Also it's useful in MvM for tankbusting. (Also the Warrior's Spirit damage vulnerability doesn't stack with the Buffalo Steak's damage vulnerability.) The Hot Hand, while yes almost entirely useless in most gamemodes, is genuinely good in VSH. The double slap lets you wall climb twice per swing, which is a huge boon to your mobility, and it's excellent as an escape option since the two swings give you two chances to hit Hale, and getting that knockback from hitting him is essential to making any form of escape, which the speed boost also helps with. So there is genuine utility there.

[@jacksonwilliams5399]

The worst part of the buffalo steak sandvich is that if you buffed the speed and removed the damage penalty, and it’s downsides could be something like a longer recharge time and the fact that it isn’t a health item or shotgun. It could be a very solid alternate playstyle like fatscout.

[@thewolfstu]

9:50 I promise you I actually seriously use it a lot, I call it "Heavy Knighting" usually and use it with either the pan if I just wanna melee brawl orrrr fists of steel because the damage taken increase from the steak might be a bit.. oof... buuuut the FOS help to off-set it and give you a nice lil temporary speed boost and melee damage boost to rush a point. Like, legit, so many people just do not know how to react to a Heavy running at them refusing to die and punching all of their allies to death. XD I mean, it's not better than on-demand heals, but if you wanna do a melee focused style or rush somewhere as the Heavy, it's a good choice. *Although it is a pain that it's speed is capped so hard on speed.*

[@Dyedrainn]

The caber is really good for countering heavy mains while revved up

[@Labyrinth6000]

I MISS the old caber when it first came out! It was the most fun I ever had sticky jumping with the sticky jumper without the sticky bomb limit and terrorizing snipers. It was so fun that snipers lobbied and demanded Valve to nerf it and they won…

[@hopefulhyena3400]

The worst part about the Buffalo Steak is that I feel like it's a really cool IDEA, so you WANT to use it. You WANT it to be good, and it just falls short.

[@HellecticMojo]

I dunno why Valve tacked on so many negatives when "restricted to melee" is already a devastating restriction for heavy.

[@KingSolstice621]

I think the main problem with these weapons (especially the steak and hand grenade) is that valve was scared to make them even somewhat viable, so they got nerfed so hard into the gronud that using them isnt even fun anymore

[@StrangeFestive]

The ONLY legitame use the steak has is that it technically lets heavy get to mid faster with the fist of steel. that's it, that's the only thing i can think of.

[@M4x_P0w3r]

And that is something so powerful that competitive bans this use

[@uraccountcrashed8845]

The Buffalo Steak Sandvich is actually really good and underrated and my main Heavy secondary.

[@dpear3]

Fun fact: prior to its final nerf, the caber was equipped by some demos in competitive. The idea was that if you were meleeing someone as demo, you were already dead, so may as well take someone else out with you.

[@Idontknow-yn8ix]

The Buffalo Steak Sandvich is fun with the holiday punch because of the movement speed buff. The ullapool caber is fun because you can blast jump as demoknight. The base jumper is also fun because it slows down the speed of charges, so I think it can reduce the disantce you have to go to get a crit.

[@Brother_Piner]

Just get two heavies with the Buffalo Steak, go all in for glass cannon with the Warrior’s Spirit, and you’ll be pleasantly surprised how many enemies you can catch off guard. Just takes two swings for most classes, and two heavies will give that instantly. Also, people tend to underestimate how fast Heavy is under the BSS effect. Sure, it’s absolutely not as effective as mowing people down with the minigun, but it’s fun as heck, and that’s all I’m here for. Fun.

[@Nerdtendo6366]

Fun Fact: the Steak Sandvich’s speed boost used to stack with the GRU’s speed boost allowing you to outrun Scout. I understand why they removed it but it’s still sad that they did

[@ComFurt]

7:28 this animation of the demo caught me so off guard when I'm so used to seeing SFM or just in game footage for this sort of thing xD that was hilarious

[@zano2120]

How I would conceptually rework each weapon: Ullapool Caber: (Same damage stats and swing speed stats) -Explosion does increased knockback to you and enemy -Right click: throw the caber. Can be done with or without explosive charge. If detonated, deals mini crits to airborne targets. If a throw is hit, caber (with charge) recharges charges over 10 seconds. If miss, caber does not respawn at all and requires respawn locker. Gameplay effect: makes caber a high-risk combo tool that requires a bit of skill to use. If you miss, you have NO melee for the next interaction. If you hit, you can continue to combo after a small cooldown. Buffalo Steak Sandwich: (Speed unchanged) -Remove mini crits -100 total health added upon eating for duration of effect -Charge time increased to 60 seconds -Active passive: Eating the steak will lock you to melee for 10 seconds. During this time, you initially get a 75% damage reduction and knockback resistance. Upon taking damage, the damage reduction reduces until 30% damage vulnerability (think of pre nerf bfb speed reduction). Upon kill, speed bonus increases by 10% up to 50%; effect extends for 2 seconds upon kill and 40 health is gained Gameplay effect: Heavy now has a tool clear space around certain points of interest while being able to pick off light/weak classes. Risky, but can snowball if executed well. Hot hand: -Remove weird two hit combo thing and replace with lmb being normal slap and rmb being back hand. Atk speed and damage reduced to axtinguisher swing speed and damage -15% damage vulnerability while active -On lmb hit: fill the “pimp” meter. The higher the pimp meter, the more move speed pyro gets (up to 4 head demo whatever that is in hu). Max speed requires 4 hits -On rmb click: Exhausts the pimp meter fully, but melee does increased damage (1:1 dmg increase percentage to pimp bar ratio) Gameplay Effect: Snowball item, allows for pyros who take risks to gain buffs for using melee. If caught off guard, can exhaust buffs in exchange for burst of damage.

[@SolarLight]

I noticed you used the Tide Turner in every caber clip you showed. Try using it with a shield that crits and you may find yourself giggling at the 300-400 damage nukes.

[@LilPolemistisXL]

17:06 ♪♫CRUISIN' DOWN THE STREET IN MY '64♫♪

[@MusForReal]

The buffalo steak gives a small speed boost so it could go well with the gloves of running urgently in some specific circumstances. Best to only use it as a friendly though.

[@sirchris6047]

bison over steak is insanity

[@Wolfcrafter_HD]

9:41 / 24:36 Well the Buffolo Steak helps heavy get to mid in copetetive, so much even so that it is band in some competetive servers

[@oashen5475]

For the steak, it's got one use case: Heavy's best Tank Busting combo in MvM, that's it

[@ghoulbuster1]

Caber: Make it recharge after 30 seconds. Steak: Switch the damage penalty into a 12 health regen, lower the cooldown to 20 seconds from 30 and finally make the speed boost stack with the GRU/FoS. Hand: Remove speed boost on hit instead every slap increases pyro's speed by 5% up to 30%.

[@deltaray3012]

I've grown to using the caber as a common melee choice when going grenade shield Demoman. Play normally with grenades, but if I see a juicy pick or am backed into a corner, I can use the caber as a hailmary to try and get that one last kill

[@Ploxtifs_OldAndDeadAccountXD]

The steak sandwich only has one, VERY situationally viable use: competitive 5CP rollouts to get you to mid **slightly** faster, given you pair it with the GRU. The problem is: comp is dead, and there are no other reason to use it otherwise.

[@andykillsu]

The buffalo steak sandwich is good at getting the highest possible damage with every weapon xD

[@snoleopard]

the way i would buff the hot hand is to give it the speed boost the disciplinary action has instead of the speed boost on hit

[@APumpkinSpie]

The reason the ullapool caber doesn't oneshot light classes is because he isn't pulling the pin to bring the full explosion.

[@thatguystar817]

The hot hand could've been fixed if the speed boost was either really high or the speed boost lasted longer so it could be more of an escape tool, because god knows that NOBODY is getting close to an enemy to slap them for 58 damage a time

[@JeremyBaconThe1st]

Caberknight on degroot final control point with shield and good timing is great

[@TealOpal]

"It's good on Degroot Keep" is not an argument in a weapon's favor

[@SKIBIDIBIDEN]

Bro just got bodied

[@SKIBIDIBIDEN]

​@@TealOpalbuffalo steak can also one shot pyros

[@fenrirsrage4609]

​​​@@TealOpal I didn't even think he was saying that in the weapon's favor. He was just sharing something he personally finds fun.

[@ghoulbuster1]

"medieval mode"

[@TylerGoatMan]

The ONE place I will the defend the Buffalo Steak is in Medieval mode. Going boxing heavy with the steak and the KGB is quite satisfying and quite addictive when you can pull it off, …. If you remove people ability to shoot you, and pyros ability to right click, and engineers ability to build sentries.

[@gaydes1012]

alt title: weapons that are only slightly useful in medieval mode

[@MidoriGrey]

It's a golden rule that if something has a one time use, it should be consistent. The fact that the weapon has >explosive falloff< is already a tragedy. They should just set it somewhere between 125 to 135 damage guaranteed and be done with it. Good enough to oneshot light classes, it's a one time use, and medics don't have to worry about being oneshot. No other bells and whistles.

[@TheRedarm75]

One hidden stat of the buffalow steak buff ive found from using it quite a bit +200 Rage on veteran players on backstab (Yes backstab) Real talk I'd love it if steak let you keep the speed buff so long as you don't switch to your primary (we can keep the +20 vunerability so comps don't blow a vessle) Caber just needs a recharge bar (maybe a sword range buff if your feeling spicy) hot hand just extend the speed boost timer to half that of an axestingusiher kill and or give it switch speed/holster buff

[@cetadel6597]

I think the reason the Hot Hand wasn't taken in as warmly as the other funni weapons (Market Gardener, Beggar's Bazooka, Bonk! Atomic Punch, etc.) was because it didn't really have any "OH MY GOD!" factor. The Critical Hit! sound from Market Gardening and that 100% kill on 7/9 classes made Trolldier good. The in-character feeling of being pressed against a wall, so you haphazardly throw three rockets into the clip and somehow kill everyone made Beggar's good. Bonk! is just silly. Hot Hand brings legitimately nothing to the table. It just... is.

[@masterofthecontinuum]

Instead of the 20% vulnerability, Buffalo steak sandvich should drain health over time as you have your melee out, in line with the other speed boost weapons, in accordance with its rollout time potential. As an upside though, it should also offset the health drain with every hit you land on an enemy, and a set health replenish granted on every kill. So now, it isn't banned in competitive play, and has more synergy with its set weapons, getting even more health gain. Getting health back on every kill allows you to sustain yourself even better than the other food items in some situations. If you are in a bad spot where you're cornered, no other food item will save you. But with this, you can go on a suicidal rampage and potentially outlast the enemy.

[@ivythay4259]

For the Hot Hand, I think increasing its fire speed each time the slap hits (decreasing with misses, but not below base speed) might be pretty good?

[@drucy.]

The Steak works well with the KGB in Medieval.

[@MEWOVER9000]

Fun Fact: The caber is the only explosive crit damage on demand in the game

[@OldandAbandonedHarcorte]

BSS Can be used to get to the front lines and mid way faster as heavy while still having Fists of steel at the ready, and its still a medium health kit for your medic. Yes using it as intended its actually garbage, but its a perfectly solid alternative to the sandwich if you have a pocket medic.

[@buddernubbs5386]

Imagine not using the KGB with the steak, second most fun class to play imo.

[@davidegaruti2582]

How to make the steak viable : >switch the 20% damage vulnerability to a 20% damage resistence >immunity from crits and minicrits upon eating Melee limiting weapons should only give you buffs , being limited in range is a crazy nerf on a class , range is one of the most important things in a fight : it's why sniper is soo strong , it can just deal max damage instantly even from max distance , while every other class will be unable to do so ... Mobility is also another big one , and heavy isn't it ... So yeah give the poor heavy resistence to crits and damage resistence , like imagine the terror a sniper will feel afther seeing they have to fire three fully charged shots to take the heavy out , it could also stuff the kritzkrieg , or demoknights ... It would turn the heavy in an unstoppable wall from wich all must run away or try to knock back , Lets also not forget : regular damage would still work , it would take 4 pipes to kill the heavy , or 4 rockets , or three seconds from a sentry , or an heavy ... It would make a medic necessary still , but it could have a usecase i reckon ...

[@donovan6320]

Actually, I would argue the buffalo steak sandvich does have a place in medieval mode, where in that instance being able to only use the fist is not a big deal. If you equip the fists of steel, you might be able to offset the damage penalty and so you make up for its weaknesses anyway.

[@donovan6320]

It's a pretty niche niche I know

[@garbageyoutubechannel310]

fists + steak is actually 28% resistance due to it being multiplicative

[@Ickygrunt]

The bss should give you a 25% damage resist same move speed buff and possibly garnered crits

[@ChronicDeepwokenAddict]

the only reason to use the steak is if you want a speed boost while using a different melee, which can be helpful, but its so niche that you will never find a situation where youll say "man, i wish i had a buffalo steak right now"

[@btf_flotsam478]

Slight correction: while Heavy theoretically does the best close-range DPS in the game, Pyro can do significantly better if you don't have godlike tracking of a close-range opponent trying to screw with it (and many people would use that as an option to avoid the highest DPS in the game).

[@ultimateaura7629]

I know the caber is bad, but going full caberknight with either the charge 'n targe or the splendid screen and turning yourself into an (unreliable) ballistic missile is just way too much fun. And with some good timing and luck you can insta kill a group of people, especially on payload or cp maps. The amount of times where I charged a heavy, instantly deleted him off of the map and killed/severely wounded his teammates that used him as a meatshield makes it worth it for me (also charging into a nest and killing the engineer before his sentry can turn to shoot you is also incredibly funny)

[@d-tergent7899]

I really wish the hot hand was one slap per click and not two, the two swing style makes it feel so jank to use.

[@apblolol]

steak sandvitch into killing gloves of boxing can help transfer the crits from melee to minigun, could be useful for flanking with heavy. although heavy is almost always better served on the objective

[@Gentle_Dude]

Caber dealing 300+ crit damage my beloved.

[@mayor6366]

I think the Hot Hand could be solid with a slight buff in numbers. Damage of something like 35 and another second or 2 of speed boost would make it okay enough. Not good necessarily but not painful to use at least

[@connorfranklin2955]

I will admit that the steak has better options, but it is still my main Heavy secondary. I combine it with the fists of steel and just cause people to panic as they tend to forget about the damage resistance of the fists. It also freaks them out when you run as fast as them. However, I also main with the Brass Beast, so I don't normally play with a "good" loadout.

[@Ploxtifs_OldAndDeadAccountXD]

The steak has a rare use in MvM in tandem with a fully upgraded max speed warrior’s spirit as a form of Tank buster, as the Tank has a really high resistance against miniguns. In Casual, it is absolutely useless.

[@Ploxtifs_OldAndDeadAccountXD]

Also the fact that it has no strange variant really kills it.

[@cor_mortem2278]

the steak is a big heal kit for teammates, so it's kinda cool i guess

[@curtisleblanc5897]

You're a Heavy Main? ME TOO! (Now I have to watch all your videos)

[@denifnaf5874]

The ullapool caber should've had a taunt kill

[@hawkticus_history_corner]

The Steak has a use in MvM in making the Heavy pretty good at killing tanks. Now, yes, Pyro and Soldier can do that too but sometimes Heavy needs to get in there, and its very good at that

[@ZestyBirb]

Hear me out The Ullapool Caber should have -% damage to self while deployed This would reduce the cost to use the weapon itself while also providing a utility once its exploded, allowing you to sticky/pill jump with less cost

[@TanteiRotana]

I feel like while being a reskin the holy mackerel is a successfully meme weapon, A scout choosing to finish somebody off with their melee over their much better primaries already feels humiliating and that melee being a stinky fish enhances that. I think the weapon also has a weird allure that makes Scouts REALLY want those fish kills. Adding cause it's related to the Hot Hand comment, back before the Dead Ringer speed boost I found melee killing spies with the fish & having that kill feed information gave me handy information for whether I should throw down mad milk or not. These days the information is very nice but way more niche. Overall I prefer the atomizer but have considered buying a unusual fish. Despite all it's downsides I like the idea behind the buffalo steak despite it falling flat on its face, definitely a worse weapon contender. I think the health on kill idea is great along side changing the +20% damage taken to a +20% damage resistance and allowing Heavies to cancel out the weapons effects by pulling out their primary. I've seen some Demomen preform well with the caber but it's definitely in a sorry state. I use to use the weapon on stock demoman as a last resort in close encounters but the pull out speed ruins that these days. I think the weapon would benefit from better damage overall, stronger explosive damage and even a long recharge time to restore it that could be sped up by getting 2 to 3 melee kills. Hothand is in the game, I have never used it, the speed boost on hit reminds me of the old eviction notice. Thanks for the upload & thank you for reading.

[@StrangeMann283]

Caber would be good if 1.explosive damage got fixed 2.stop using it as a primary 3. Reloaded with ammo packs

[@transorm987]

Buffalo Steak should last until you want to switch, it'd be fun if you didn't have to constantly eat it

[@cysheep8261]

The steak is literally banned in 6s because it can get you to mid faster lol

[@skyslasher2297]

Honestly an easy buff for the buffalo steak so it can effectively be the great meme weapon just make it do full crits instead of mini crits that way you’re getting more one shots on average

[@peskywombat4915]

I’ve actually had a lot of fun with the caber on medieval mode

[@The24thWight]

I like my steak. It's not as good as healing but sometimes being able to move a little faster (particularly when you're not being shot at) can let you get into fun little flanks and just do a little trolling. Plus it means no more whining about my chocolate or banana health kits from local medics. I do wish it wasn't tied to that stupid defense debuff. Honestly if he had his 300 effective hp I suspect it would be at least kinda fun.

[@squidwardthedankest6642]

Personally I love the caber, mostly because I suck so bad at demo that I'd only be getting that one hit either way, before getting killed, might as well go out like a Muslim extremist

[@bethanythemulti-fandommodd1218]

Would making it so that instead of making the Buffalo Steak a glass canon weapon, after you eat it, you can heal and can actually do full crits for 10 seconds while in melee mode and it wouldn't mark Heavy on death when employed, would that be a good change?

[@jafsrob]

i kinda wish the hothand was, you know, good? it has actual potential with the onhit speed and the weird doubletap to do something cool and interesting. it just needs more of an incentive to useing it.

[@tjspov2776]

I just use Buffalo Steak because I go around punching people pretending to be Saxton Hale. What would I do to improve it? Upgrade speed boost to Scout speed, Instead of 20% vulnerability, give it 20% resistance, 1 hp regen per sec, Heavy gets increased punch speed, Gain 100% melee lifesteal, You can switch back to your primary but you lose the buffs. This might seem very strong, but the idea of this change is to become a melee monster that has to fight to heal, and if you want to heal, the other lunchbox items will do that better. The buff cancel by switching to the primary is so that Heavy isn’t defenseless if he runs into certain enemies that he can't deal with in melee. This would probably cause a little issue in VSH or Medieval Mode, but that's two alternative modes out of god knows how many total modes. I would however remove the ability to throw it, or at least lower the hp value from medium to small.

[@engineerteamfortess]

9:43 The steak can actually be a good mobility tool, as it’s movement speed buff when consumed can help you get to the front lines faster, or make a quick escape. It’s like the GRU, but with no health drain.

[@bakubaku4333]

My buffalo steak KDR might be in the negatives, but its still good in my heart

[@Qaos]

I love the Steak, it sucks so much.

[@SKIBIDIBIDEN]

You can two shot pyros too

[@ModeDriver]

A crit boosted Caber dose around 420 damage. If there is a pocketed heavy on a point under sustained fire, charging in with a shield that isn't the Tide Turner and the Caber can almost 1 shot the guy. The caber is pretty much useless beyond that though This last thing may not be too useful, but a close range shotgun hit can put a light class at just enough health to slap kill them.

[@paevepailbrack6899]

Since you don’t mention it, the steak is actually really good in MvM, it’s my fave heavy secondary there. Why is this? Tankbusting. Heavy’s miniguns have a damage penalty against the tank, meaning that with the steak, you now have a good option to contribute to that. You’ll usually have a medic for healing yourself, and the steak acts as a large medkit for everyone who isn’t you, so you can also use the steak to better heal your teammates.

[@paevepailbrack6899]

I would add that I think this niche alone makes it better than either of the two other weapons in this video, personally

[@Mr._Maniac]

The only reason I use the steak is for the stupid lil gimmick of a Saxton Hale cosplay load out. Thats it. I wanna be a guy who just punches people with stock fists from time to time.