[TF2] To Kick a Cheater

[@tonyallentf2]

EXTENDFREEZE NO LONGER WORKS: as an alternative, type "menuopen" into console. You only have to do this once in order to not respawn. To stop doing this, type "menuclosed" into console. thanks so much for watching, here's discord: discord.gg/CjRuSaRV3E full version of Wallin: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2q7dmaVmrd-ms0 also if billy mitchell is watching it's just jokes ecks dee pls don't sue

[@Gabarhun]

i hope we get it, i really like the song

[@smoogs1841]

Why'd you have to throw in the woman getting uh graped. Kind of odd. Its tf2 comparing it to that hit me like a speeding train watching this video.

[@paille-boy]

hey do you play/talk with max box sometimes that would be cool a colab with him

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

i dont agree with you on vac bans i have a vac ban and i dont cheat, my brother used my acc to play csgo and cheated on it like all eastern europeans are destined to do you dismissing all that as made up nonsense upsets me, man, stuff like that happens.

[@tonyallentf2]

@@smoogs1841 it's just the example that always gets brought up when talking about the bystander effect. i know it's jarring in this, i just really think people should understand how important taking the initiative is. not just in TF2 but any scenario in life

[@Blizzard199X]

that part about that woman getting murdered and no one calling for help was so out of pocket 💀

[@spa7]

It hit me like a train lmao

[@squidge01]

KICK YOUR BOT, anyways this woman was raped and stabbed to death

[@Games4Life7712]

Hit harder than the bullet

[@FreddemsFnf]

Tony Allen out of context video when

[@treyfrew6940]

Was it really though. Its just the same thing but on diffrent sides of the spectrum.

[@reagansido5823]

I love the mere idea that simply spectating a cheater is enough to piss them off to hell and back. just thinking of it makes me smile.

[@skysder]

I was going this last night. Incredibly sus sniper started to act really weird when I started spectating them. They even said “I feel like I’m being gangstalked by the CIA.” I assume they were using cheats, they could see that I was spectating them, so they just stopped playing and started standing there until I stopped spectating. Really amazing.

[@velvetdraws3452]

spectate cheater and do something for a bit and then come back, they will have no clue you were away

[@tomclanys]

@@velvetdraws3452 you would need a macro for that

[@101Volts]

A group of 4 cheaters were on Blu in Lazarus. They kept kicking everyone who wasn't with them for BS reasons. They put sentries in the walls, and one of them even went so far to mis-represent the Bible to manipulate people. I got kicked for *"recording the game and invading privacy"* (I wasn't.) All in a *pub.* Though I wasn't recording, if I was, how would he know? I *was* in a Discord call at the same time, but I don't think I had video streaming on. What *really* pissed me off is that one of them voice chat mis-represented the Bible, though. It *really* doesn't sit well with God that he was using it to tell people they'd go to hell "With fire and brimstone!!! _Forever!!!"_ if they weren't doing what HE wanted. Didn't Hitler also re-write the Bible which isn't supposed to be done? Well done, fool. I mean a *DRY* well in the middle of a desert, and you're stuck in it as long as you won't look for the steps. Though, I didn't express myself well to him *at all,* and I regretted it shortly after. I attempted to ask him to not mis-represent the book, but all I kinda said was "Could you not say Bible bullshit," and that could be easily mis-understood. I then was not acting very Christian to actually go so far to say "fuck you" to him before I got unjustly kicked. I don't know about most people, but for me, I've RARELY said that phrase in my life, even before reading the Bible. I'm not supposed to hate my enemies, even if they mock or beat me or maim me or whatever. Not even if they set off a bomb on my porch, like with Martin Luther King. It wouldn't be a case of "Love your enemies" if I did, and I just felt wrong (and sickening, in a specific way) to say that. Mind, I'm not saying that he's being *"just"* with cheating, because it's a heap of trouble. So don't get me wrong, I don't condone *cheating.* But if you're in a private server and you're just clowning around and aren't doing it *against* anyone for a cheap laugh, maybe there are some fun codes to do if everyone in the server's with you on it and keeps it there. Just don't get carried away.

[@a.j.outlaster1222]

​@@101VoltsI agree, He shouldn't threaten fire and brimstone, As a Christian, I dare say Jesus tought against that with saying we should love our neighbors and not judge others, Sadly, Most people proclaiming Christianity these days still do, I don't know why...

[@exi_m7074]

*SMALL THING TO SAY!* They patched the extendfreeze thing, so it's going to be SIGNIFICANTLY harder to catch cheaters. keep on the lookout!

[@YourlocalPTaddict]

Why did they delete something that LITERALLY is saving their game

[@I_EAT_RAW_COFFEE_BEANS]

NOOOOOOO

[@DrakkenFlammen]

@@YourlocalPTaddict Because Valve is profiting

[@Randomest_king]

Just continuously kill bind

[@imfunniguy3744]

@@YourlocalPTaddictaccording to Valve, it was used to cheat by somehow giving people who used it a way to see invisible spies

[@InkblotHyena]

What did we learn? ~ Cheaters & Bots can be any class ~ Be vigilant for suspicious behavior ~ Don't immediately kick without reason ~ Identify obvious cheaters via username for ease of kicking ~ Wallhackers often won't shoot invisible spies. That tactic is outdated. ~ Learn how to detect cheats (Aimbot, Silent Aim, Walls, Crit Bucket, etc) ~ Be mindful of obvious bot names (A lot of them are used a lot) ~ Be suspicious of obscenely high scores, a lot of critical kills over a long period, and aim flicking/locking ~ We need to do this because Valve is Valve. ~ This list was meaningless, but this video was actually pretty damn good.

[@Johnny31323]

Have you heard if the command demo; stop. Because it is stupid

[@zerefoex]

Can't cheat in vac secured servers.

[@vehicleboi5598]

ty for the new acronym C.B.D.I.W.L.B.B.W.T

[@maestrofeli4259]

nah, the list was good

[@brunyplayswastaken]

We learned P E N I S is helpful.

[@Monkey_XDD]

This is a good video. Also a tip to sniff out a cheater, look at their ping. Usually they’ll stick to 100-200 ping consistently when they’re alive, however when they’re dead they’ll usually go down to 30-50 ping or 1-5. And just because someone has expensive items, that doesn’t mean that they can’t be cheating. I can almost relate to every scenario in this video due to how blatant cheaters are in this game, bots are easy to deal with however cheaters are much harder, because they usually bring in their shitty deformed friends into the mix too. Hope KZbin pushes this video out more and more so people know about this.

[@Goofyorangecat]

hola mögey

[@valor4531]

The majority of cheaters I find usually are loaded to the gills in unusual and aussies. Hell there was that one guy with a $20k backback that got vac banned and made this cope blog post about wanting to get banned.

[@AllTheOthers]

Steam profile too. God, theres so much shit I know about cheaters.

[@fixingbutton8144]

Holy shit, it’s Mönkey

[@christiangottsacker6932]

And they can change their names and shit too

[@ButterScotch210]

The text at 10:01 being upside-down Wingdings reading as “THIS IS NOT AN ARG” is so clever

[@Unkn0wn_Tr4v3l3r]

I think its an arg

[@lordgoopy9]

(Not-so-)Fun fact: Most of the Kitty Genovese case is a myth, several of her neighbors did call the police and she died in the arms of a 70-yro lady who called an ambulance. Most neighbors couldn't hear her or even see her because according to reports the department had a very weird layout, and the ones who did hear it thought it was a domestic quarrel or some drunks fighting. Note that this was before 911 was put in place so it was much harder to get in touch with emergency services in case of you know, an emergency. Also the witness number is exaggerated and nowadays believed to be around a dozen at most. This has nothing to do with TF2 cheaters but the misconception of this case drives me up the wall.

[@101Volts]

Yeah, it happened in the 1960s, and the 911 number didn't really start being implemented all over the place until the 1980s - 1990s. The "Rescue 911" show probably helped with that. The number did exist in the 1970s, but 1979 only had about 25% of all North America with it. ... Disclaimer: I'm not that old, I just looked this up once.

[@goodsirbear-7579]

"you're wrong about" has an excellent episode about this if anyone else is interested

[@cassidycrawford6968]

Actually this itself is a further misnomer: While it's true it was harder to reach the police at this time, as you yourself mentioned, some people did call the police. They just didn't do anything. Much in the same way that Stockholm Syndrome was invented because of horrendous police incompetence, so too was the Bystander Effect.

[@Jontohil2]

One tactic I’ve learnt against cheaters that works especially well if most of not all your team is in your party, is just have your entire team sit in spawn and not interact with the cheaters in any way whatsoever. Only talk in team chat, never leave spawn, and killbind right before you loose so they can’t even kill you during humiliation. I’ve done this a couple time and it always frustrates them into leaving.

[@ekris5072]

See the problem is that the Tf2’s players cant go a second without a taste of pubstomping and will almost never coordinate

[@Dedprotectr]

just requeue

[@ekris5072]

@@Dedprotectr no, since leaving soothes the cheater’s fragile ego because they can now claim victory and say they made a person ragequit and will feel more powerful.

[@Dedprotectr]

​@@ekris5072 Ah, true. Sitting in spawn and wasting 5-10 minutes doing nothing but waiting for the cheaters to requeue is will totally show those cheaters!!! Take that! We are actually cowering in spawn, letting you do whatever you want wherever! Take that L, cheaters!

[@ekris5072]

@@Dedprotectr no, i mean like in the video, insult them until they leave to speed things up, or just accuse them. Where did you get that info brih

[@CIoudStriker]

You have NO IDEA how angry it made me to see that last cheater with the "#SaveTF2" in their username. It's like seeing John Wilkes Booth at JFK's funeral.

[@whoisanarnb]

Bro got a history degree from the basement of a decrepit house

[@korhol2065]

That was Lincoln not JFK, learn your facts before making comparisons

[@villagemarauder]

@cloudstriker I agree dude, that's so hypocritical.

[@drillbitz2816]

My guy you mean Lincoln’s funeral

[@PhoebeAlwaysWins]

@@korhol2065 I suppose you believe the Official story? scoff. The TRUTH they dont want you to know: ... John Wilkes Booth is a time traveling shinigami responsible for all deaths in human history.

[@Casual_PKBeats]

I'm really glad a video like this not only exists, but does so in such high quality. Even if it's long, I hope a lot of people watch it so more people can realize that more than just Snipers can cheat. Though, unfortunately, the "low-rank players" who are usually oblivious will probably STAY oblivious, but it's still a great resource to have I do admit, though, even if people are in voice chat saying things like "F1 they're cheating", I'm usually pretty hesitant to vote it. Okay no actually that's not true, I F1 99% of the time on default, but still, I've seen plenty examples of people using the "they're cheating" excuse JUST so that they can vote kick a person for any reason. I've even seen cheaters do that, a counter "cheat callout." Being realistic, most people aren't gonna hear "they have a VAC ban on their profile," and then take the time to go look BEFORE voting, because the vote is only in place for so long. They're either just gonna ignore it no matter what, or believe it no matter what. It's a really tricky situation, I guess all anyone can really hope is that people will start paying attention more often. I admit, too, that I often play the game with voice chat disabled, as well as sometimes even text chat. Cheating aside, the game and community are just full of loud, obnoxious, toxic people, and sometimes it's nice to just get a break from all that. I imagine I'm not alone in that, so it's possible that a lot of your arguments are literally falling on deaf ears, and I don't think there's really anything that can be done about it. I try not to do this as often anymore, or at least just leave text chat open, for this very reason, but, y'know... it can happen. I love the idea of making cheaters feel bad, though, that shit's just funny. I usually just opt for the painless "requeue under the assumption that no one's going to be able to do anything anyways since this community is full of dipshits" route, but maybe if this video does well enough, people will start being smarter? We'll see! Either way, amazing video, was super well edited, great work!

[@AzureTheAvian]

Most of the time I play with voice and text chat off, too. I get yelled at all the time, people being toxic because I’m a furry or non-binary or pansexual, whatever. I most often just press F1 whenever a vote is called, too, because MOST of the time It’s trying to kick a bot. It sucks that Valve isn’t doing much so that people don’t need to conduct an in-depth investigation to figure out If a person is cheating.

[@Dedprotectr]

It's definitely not just you, I can't stand the community anymore, and usually play with both text and voice disabled. That being said, if this video does anything at all, it'll force cheaters to play in 6 stacks and just use all this advice against legit players. It's not like cheaters are physically incapable of building rapport with pubbies, they do it all the time and that's why people find it so hard to get the opposite team to kick their cheater. When my friends want to join my game, and the game is full, I've kicked random players by just calling a vote and drowning them out by yelling into the mic and spamming text chat with "F1, it's a bot" or something (in all fairness, I try to avoid players who are being helpful/useful). This is as a legit player, too. This advice can (and will) be used by cheaters against legit players, and it will have way better effect with them than it will with legits, that's just how it is. You make literally the best choice by just requeuing. Cheaters don't "lose" when called out. Legits tend to think cheaters actually care about hiding cheats in a game where the only functioning anticheat system is a votekick, and it does nothing. The more of your time you spend looking through their profile and writing their biography in chat, the more they win. The only loss they get is by getting nothing at all.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Usually I'm on the side of caution. I'm not the best player in the world and know there are people who are better than me. But there is the point where it's blatantly obvious. And for TF2 I'm more likely to vote if there is a reason given. Just an empty vote gives me no reason to assume anything. But if there is something connected to it, I have a reason to check and see if there is any substance to it. (The same way as I generally don't accept random empty friend requests) So if you suspect someone of cheating and want to get them kicked, please spend the extra quarter of a second to select "suspected of cheating"

[@Dash123456789Brawl]

@@DedprotectrYour false report kicks are a pretty messed up way to play with your friends. Instead of bullying a random person, please just re-queue with your friends.

[@Dedprotectr]

@@Dash123456789Brawl It certainly is messed up, but that's not the point. The point is that TF2 players are both paranoid and uninformed to the point that just confidently claiming that someone is cheating is more than enough to *guarantee* a votekick, even if the person being kicked is completely legit. What's more messed up? My random votekick, or the fact that the entire team agreed with me?

[@spiterite6972]

Message to everyone: even if you’re losing, kick cheaters off your team please. It just makes you look bad and even worse when the match is over wether your team loses or not.

[@yeetdabeans3883]

Players who do that are worse than the cheaters themselves

[@Vo1tar]

yeah a while ago I remember the enemy team was talking shit about my team because we had a bot but we still lost. idk why the bot wasn't kicked sooner but whenever I tried to kick it'd always be on cooldown

[@Vo1tar]

@@101Volts they were getting hella mad so I didn’t see a point in trying

[@101Volts]

@@Vo1tar That's what text-chatting is for, saying "We got a bot, I see it, _and_ I'm trying to kick it." And if your team doesn't kick, you say "well, I tried to kick" so the other team hears you before there's a chance of you being lumped in with those who either didn't know, or weren't sure, or whatever.

[@Vo1tar]

@@101Volts they were getting hella mad so I didn’t see a point in trying

[@justaquestionmarktbh]

as a previous tf2 cheater, they do have a spectator list and automatic bots to turn off cheats when spectated

[@Engineergaming44]

Why did you cheat in TF2? I'm curious to hear the motivation if you wouldn't mind sharing

[@Lord-of-The-Crabs]

at least they are honest and can give us some tips on how to deal them@@Engineergaming44

[@brimphemus]

​@@Engineergaming44that much is obvious i think 1. to piss people off (which explains why a lot of them are also hyper toxic in chat) 2. to compensate for a lack of skill (which explains why a lot of them have 0 gamesense). and both of the things above are related to ego.

[@TerranPlanetaryDefenseForce]

@@Engineergaming44 They do it to either troll, or because they have severe issues and cope by having "control" over something.

[@TheFructowallGuy]

Glad u changed

[@brohan5661]

also for step 4, it might be good to mention in text chat that the dude's cheating, with your evidence. Some players have voice chat off, so they might not hear whats happening and get confused about the random vote on another player.

[@Nova-bv5qb]

I don't have voice chat off but I just don't process the talking when I'm playing so this would also help me. idk something wrong in my brain

[@Nerd_Sauce]

The amount of work this man put into this video, through pain and sleepless nights he managed to make not only THE BEST cheater video on TF2, but he also managed to make me have a lot of laughs and smiles on my face while watching it. Without hesitation, this video is an absolute gem and a masterpiece! Thank you, Tony Allen ❤

[@REDOYSTERCULT302]

thats crazy man

[@crimsonstar1590]

-rep + level 1 gyatt + hardstuck amateur + lft + cringe and bidenpilled + scout player

[@__vilk1015]

I agree

[@Xx_SuperPenis_xX]

I remember when i was on his discord server one his mods was telling someone to kill themselves and all he would say is "be nice" Good times good times his discord is a total dumpster fire

[@crimsonstar1590]

@@Xx_SuperPenis_xX devil's edge

[@FrosstKatt]

valve just removed the ability to extendfreeze, so we can’t spectate cheaters for a hilariously long time anymore

[@Z4K97B]

Hehehe im gonna camp

[@TheeOK1]

Seriously don't understand why the hell they'd do something so fucking stupid

[@silverfisherman4622]

Observer spies have a new niche

[@o-dreng8778]

Cloak and dagger cuh

[@barrygamer7449]

If you have a HUD with a transparent change class menu you can spectate indefinitely

[@pretzel03]

I'll never forget this one game of upward I played sometime over a year and a half ago. There was a blatant cheater with what I'm assuming was a friend of his on the enemy team. Despite us pointing this out for the entire match, the cheater's friend would try to gaslight us into believing his friend wasn't cheating, despite him snapping onto people's heads and killing them immediately. Needless to say, we all grew pretty frustrated, and I was about to leave, until a random sniper on our team announced he was going to do something about it and asked someone to go vaccinator medic to pocket him. He then injected his own cheat and began spinbotting and headshotting the entire enemy team, holding the entire game hostage until the enemy team kicked their cheaters. This enraged both of the cheaters, and they began to spit a whole flury of insults and racial slurs at our team. I even remember them challenging the guy to an HVH match, which I thought was hilarious. Eventually the enemy team grew tired of being constantly headshot, so they kicked both of their cheaters, and all eventually began to leave the game in what I assume to be shame. After that, the guy stuck around for a while, kind of talking and socializing with the rest of us, before leaving. Before he left, I remember him saying we could add him in case we ever ran into more cheaters. I never said anything to that guy, but man, it was one of the coolest, if not craziest, experiences I've had with cheaters in TF2. I don't remember his name, but I respect him for that. Bro literally used the equivalent of nuclear warfare in TF2.

[@Zpixi09]

Damm about time i found a new role model

[@Dedprotectr]

I met a guy like this on a pier map, during the bot crisis, and there were like 3 bots on the enemy team. He said "fuck this, if they're allowed to cheat than so am I", and immediately he injects his cheats and starts to fight the bots (and the enemy team) I even Vacc'd him too. I probably would add him as a friend if I ever met him again.

[@St4r_Str1ker]

Is it ethical to cheat only against cheaters?

[@fusrosandvich3738]

@@St4r_Str1ker If you stop once the cheaters are gone and return to playing as a regular human, yes. Whether or not someone can handle having that kind of power without going overboard is another question...A bad actor might think "well the team let themselves have a cheater, so I should keep cheating as a way of payback" and then the whole concept is ruined.

[@UnixTMDev]

Fight bullet with bullet

[@ArtualCM]

an hour long video about kicking cheaters is gonna be a good one

[@baconiumo]

what are you doing here young man

[@ShadowPersona0]

That sound like skid talk to me pal.

[@bowserislazy]

i just watched ur to end it all vid tf

[@terminatorgaming6036]

25:11 while not a common occurrence, soundsmith has demonstrated that by stuffing a cloak and dagger spy into a corner, he can call out when to detonate in voice chat. Ask the enemy team if this is occurring.

[@ayhan4472]

Bro soundsmith is stupid, don't listen to that guy

[@segadoeswhatnintendont]

This isn't just a soundsmith thing, this is a common strategy in highlander matches

[@michaaugustyn5414]

​@@segadoeswhatnintendonthe certainly popularized it tho

[@korhol2065]

Why would the enemy team tell you that they are doing that? Why would they pull a tv villain move and admit their plans?

[@99temporal]

​@@korhol2065because it's either a spy or a cheater. If you're not using a spy, you should absolutely be kicked

[@daws__]

The Return of the King! This video clearly shows how much you hate cheaters, great work 💪

[@demonkingzecksee]

and protogens

[@sansbros4929]

A point about b-hopping. Don't forget soldier has a weapon that rewards that skill heavily. So seeing a soldier bhop is not necessarily a cause for concern. A lot of them just do that.

[@AllTheOthers]

At this point, don't give people the benefit of the doubt anymore.

[@CLAYTERRACOTTA]

meme spoon tf2

[@cewla3348]

remember: quick flicks can be explained by muscle memory - 180s should take TWO frames for the best of the best. Look at ULTRAKILL speedruns (yeah, i'm bringing this up), and you'll see them nigh-perfectly flicking their head 90 degrees in a single frame - they have no macros. they are just that good.

[@Z7Games]

@@cewla3348 ULTRAKILL speedrunners exist, but they aren''t exactly the "common man" Meaning you shouldn't find every lobby you are in with one or two "ultrakill speedrunners".

[@orpheus9098]

​@@Z7Gamesif anything they're machines made of flesh

[@G.r.e.g.g.l.e.s]

Cheats you covered indirectly or missed, but didn't formally cover, or ones mentioned only briefly: -Aim Assist (basically very slightly adjusting aimbot which moves at slower speed and micro adjusts aim so the character model doesn't rotate, imitating console controller video games; has the same effect as XIMing on console games. You get the accurate equipment and aim assist) - Aim Key (Toggle aimbot to make more subtle) - Anti-backstab (Turn around and alter hitbox wireframe the moment spies enter backstab range) - Anti-headshot (Look up and crumple hitbox when players are aiming at your head) - Anti-melee spinning (most often found on sniper bots, going along well with melee crit hacks) - Auto-backstab (specifically tuned melee hack that goes along with interp spoofing, used most frequently on spies) - Damage Falloff hack (Used by mostly heavies, basically 0 or reduced damage falloff on medium and long ranges, making time to kill insanely fast) - Damage Ramp-up hack (Used exclusively by heavies to decrease the default time the minigun takes to max its damage, basically removing the balancing penalty on all miniguns, so instead of starting at 120 dps and going to 500 in 2 seconds, they will ramp up damage instantly. May have been patched. Don't see it very often anymore.) -Damage Spread hack (Same deal as damage falloff and ramp-up, but for bullet spread, used mostly by heavy, scout, engineer, pyro shotgun, and heavy shotgun. Makes it so pubs run like broken competitive lobbies, but the bullets have even less spread, and every single pellet hits you even at range. Disgusting.) - Delayed/Smooth Aimbot (used in conjunction with walls/ESP, basically attacking shortly after the moment they're revealed, and slows the movement sensitivity of the aimbot user. This is a VERY expensive and rare/harder to spot hack. It's a workaround replacement for silent aim) - ESP (Fancier wallhack with some more tuning and more details such as when players are looking at you) - Interp Spoofing (allows players to manually teleport by "lagging" via changing interp settings to unusable levels, while never missing in hitscan battles. Most often used by cheating spie with auto-backstab or other classes with auto-melee, and can even hide anti-melee spinning. Basically Dio's Stand ability, where time slows down for everybody in the interaction, but only they can navigate it. They proceed to "Omae Wa Mo Shindeiru" you to oblivion.) - Ping Spoofing (affects scoreboard; goes hand-in-hand with interp spoofing) - Sandbagging (not a script, but a practice in competitive leagues to stack teams with secretly higher skilled player(s) than the agreed level to unfairly to defraud prize pool money and ruin games) - Triggerbot (Automatically hit any shots that register being over the crosshair. Users tend to sweep their aim at high sensitivity over targets to get shots. Sometimes set to ignore spy mode and headshot only mode. Not as common anymore. Often used in conjunction with aim assist.)

[@OakLastName]

ohhhh that's why they spin !

[@alexm9603]

Genki is the American equivalent of Vorobey.

[@noah-ux2cz]

That’s what I thought

[@christiangottsacker6932]

Wasn't Genki a saints row joke? I think Tim and Eric made the ad for that game.

[@therealfatherchristmas]

At 19:47, there is an option for all cheats where it allows you to see who is spectating you and they can act like shit EVERYTIME you spectate them. You can also have the option to make the cheat turn off every time someone spectates you.

[@SageGilbert191]

If you’re in a community server, you can always see who is watching you I can’t turn it off Make it stoppp

[@therealfatherchristmas]

cheaters are not that dumb of going onto community servers unless they want to be a piece of shit and get a new account 24/7 and ruining people's day on community servers. They can get banned on community but on casual they can do anything.@@SageGilbert191

[@null686]

i once used a cheat (horrible i know) and i can assure you that is not true even the most modern up to date ones don’t have that option.

[@therealfatherchristmas]

what do you use?@@null686

[@lavaball1116]

​@@null686this is so false... did lmaobox send you?

[@willlynn5853]

The fact that they "fixed" the thing that extends you suspect mode a mounth layer

[@Dr.looksmaxxer]

They did !!!

[@discozdisco3566]

the fact that they did... i feel like Valve is secretly supplying the cheats while saying they are banning cheaters

[@lamb6276]

​@@discozdisco3566 the ultimate conspiracy, valve is actively killing their own game rather then letting it rot naturally

[@ghibley594]

you can enable mouse input on scoreboard, right click the person(whoever you find sussy), and click check profile it will automaticly send you to their profile no matter the name or anything, and it's so nice to have enabled

[@hangalooey6565]

You know how I deal with cheaters? Just act like a complete moron. Repeat questions, repeat answers, ask "What?" a lot, keep say that you're winning, and when they try to defend themselves, deny, accuse, just audibly laugh in voice chat. I had my fair share of Cheaters full target me, go full silent or just quit because they don't want to deal with that shit anymore.

[@ekris5072]

The way to deal with a troll is to troll them back

[@TurnipTheBee]

while this isnt entirely needed- Kitty's case was mostly made up by the police. SEVERAL people called in, but the police were too incompetent to actually show up.

[@Helperbot-2000]

hey! 29:48 for checking their profile, you dont need to shift tab, theres an option to enable the mouse in the scoreboard meaning you can directly click on someone's name and pfp and get a list of actions including viewing their steam profile (very similar to csgo for those who play that) this is very very fast to do tho i personally have some delay sometimes that can last from seconds to minutes before it opens their profile (achieved with sorse)

[@vivex9617]

I think this is the "other way to check profiles" he mentions not using in the video, idk why he's opposed to it.

[@irregularassassin6380]

I've seen this in some videos, but I like to be able to pop open the scoreboard while running to the objective for simple reasons like checking ping, checking dominations, etc. I wouldn't be able to do this on the fly if I couldn't navigate the map with my mouse at the same time.

[@Lrizu]

Attention: after one hour i fugred it out, this comment is not wrong but highly misinforming, you need to right click their names, regular clicking will NOT work

[@Helperbot-2000]

@@Lrizu sorry about that, i hadnt played for a while when i wrote it so i might have misremembered, aswell as thought it was clear enough.

[@DaRockeet]

I've had a lot of issues with this in my experience, mainly where I'll try to click one name in the chat and the game thinks I'm trying to click another name in a completely different spot on the scoreboard. Dunno if there's a fix for this or not or if it's literally only something that happens to me.

[@icedcave]

The easiest way I've come to spot script kiddies is they all stick in the same cheater groups on steam, it's like their idiot badge of honor that people should catch on to more (Also can confirm that Hades guy cheats, ran into him enough)

[@hockypockies]

YOOO ICEDCAVE also yeah script kiddies suck

[@MemeAnt]

FUCKING ICEDCAVE IS THAT A MOTHETFUCKING GEOME- In seriousness, hello icedcave!

[@Zapact]

What are you doing here? Go back to making bad challenges.

[@MemeAnt]

Holy crepe is the icedcave guy

[@brandonmidkiff8200]

0:00 Intro 2:24 Part 1 - Bots ○ 2:34 Call to Vote ○ 3:27 Don't Skip ● 3:49 *P* - Pay Attention ● 4:24 *E* - Easygoing ● 5:00 *N* - Names ● 5:22 *I* - Initiative ● 6:28 *S* - Sniper ○ 7:19 A Nice Jingle (Warning: Ads!) 7:26 Part 2 - Cheaters • 10:20 Part 2: Step 1 - Suspicion ○ 10:20 Aimbot ● 11:23 Cheating Engineers ○ 12:58 Wall Hacks ○ 14:55 Crit Hacks ● 16:39 Example: Josh ● 17:04 Medics, Snipers, and Spys ● 18:19 Example: Choco ○ 19:09 Auto-B-Hopping ● 19:44 Example ○ 20:16 Silent Aim ● 20:55 Cheating Demoman ● 21:20 Confidence in Verdict ● 21:52 Example: Josh Part 2 ○ 23:17 Class-Specific Cheats ● 23:24 Scout: Double Tapping ● 24:09 Soldier: Direct Hit Preference ● 24:18 Pyro: Auto-Reflect ● 24:54 Demoman: Auto-Detonation ● 25:17 Heavy: Nothing in Particular ● 25:44 Engineer: Widowmaker Preference ● 25:58 Medic: Pocketing Other Cheaters ● 26:12 Sniper: TriggerBot & Slow-Aim ● 26:31 Spy: Ping Manip., Itp, I-BS, Suffering ○ 27:09 Suspicious Characteristics ● 28:09 Funny Moment ● 28:24 Extendfreeze *(Outdated)* • 29:40 Part 2: Step 2 - Evidence Gathering ○ 29:47 Altered Username ○ 30:40 Private Profile ○ 31:09 Weak Profile Evidence ○ 31:41 Strong Profile Evidence ○ 31:53 VAC/Game Ban ○ 34:00 Cheat-Spotting ○ 34:35 Cheaters See the Eyes • 36:08 Part 2: Step 3 - Testing Them ○ 36:08 They Know You're Watching ○ 36:51 Stupid Example ○ 38:47 Phil & Dirk Part 1 ○ 43:23 Testing Enemy Suspects • 45:02 Part 2: Step 4 - Making the Callout ○ 45:09 Simple Examples ○ 46:22 Happy Example ○ 48:04 Phil & Dirk Part 2 ○ 51:27 Bad Ending ○ 54:45 Introducing Genki ○ 57:29 Excessive Planning ○ 1:00:00 Also, Protogens ○ 1:02:51 Sonic4ever • 1:03:47 Part 2: Step 5 - The Long Game ○ 1:04:05 Story: Trying to Kick an Enemy Cheater ○ 1:05:17 Waiting for Something ● 1:06:11 Autobalance ● 1:07:36 Bargaining Chip ○ 1:09:08 The Perfect Example 1:12:35 Outro

[@untitledswed1661]

When I watched this the first time racism towards protogens wasent what i was expecting

[@samdaman2939]

That acronym is very *hard* to forget, thank you for *coming* up with this acronym, it really *penetrates* my mind and makes it difficult for me to forget!

[@ry6554]

Hilarious.

[@Craf_S]

the extend_freeze also works on the enemy team players (sort of) shortly after the kill cam freeze, but before it transitions to spectating your own team mates, spam that command. instead of spectating your team mates, you'll now be spectating the person who killed you. the only issue is you can't control the camera, it's fixed at a weird angle

[@gunmancarl9618]

this should be pinne

[@Icecreamsanwic]

0:04 nice touch of making the cheater clip have blight as the killer when you said the word blight

[@H0ol]

It is great to see more cheater-detecting guides popping up in the Team Fortress 2 KZbin sphere, and thanks for documenting how these kinds of people have the most animal-like thought processes to touch this game. Cheers to you, Tony Allen.

[@Swinburned]

The often unfortunate part about (attempting to be) kicking cheaters, is that in some servers I often find that A. The other team does not want to kick their cheater; as they know there will be no consequences for them B. The cheater will be in a party of quite a few people who vote F2, making kicking them impossible. C. There simply won't be enough players to kick the cheater. It's hard to say if Valve had truly done their best on fighting against the cheaters, but I applaud for at least trying. Great video by the way.

[@sgas]

im so glad you did the bit with the initials of the acronym for the reminder

[@MaxxYurri]

I feel like this is the part 2 of Vorobey's anti hacker vid. he goes over SUPER in depth about how to spot all different hacks, from all perspectives, while your vid goes into the mind of a hacker, which I really like! glad i found your channel!

[@JS-iu3ce]

Great video, I’m glad you share the frustration on people refusing to kick demomen or engineers because “there’s no way a cheater would ever play that class”

[@scottleamy2412]

Watched the entire thing, and I just want to say thank you. An amazing amount of information and advice on how to best go about handling cheaters in tf2. I have been doing some of the tactics shown, but only the most basic like checking if the enemy can see you while invisible or baiting their wallhack. I had no idea you could check profiles and spectate your team. These tools will be invaluable to me going forward. Just being able to say, "Hey this guy has a VAC ban" and backing that up with evidence is huge. I find that I get angry very quickly when I am in a game with blatant cheaters, and my callouts could definitely use some serious work. I usually end up trying to use Genki's Strategy of insulting them which does not work for me because I am not good at not being nice and they have had years to build up their repertoire of malicious words and deeds. I do feel like I linger too long when it doesn't seem like the cheater(s) will be kicked any time soon which I now realize makes me a prime target for them, especially when I acknowledge them.

[@luckytrap897]

The fact I immediately knew the acronym would be penis the moment i saw the P

[@dasmodem887]

What a smart cookie

[@supervitu64]

Remember guys, the P.E.N.I.S. principle.

[@NuggetOrBowtie]

32:11 Pissing off Toby Fox is worse than a VAC ban

[@pogggaming4470]

What happens if you piss him off?

[@NuggetOrBowtie]

@@pogggaming4470 You don't want to know

[@pogggaming4470]

@@NuggetOrBowtie I want to know

[@Emily12471]

​@@pogggaming4470 You don't

[@zzyxxyzz5442]

​@@Emily12471 what happens if you piss off toby fox?

[@Sein82]

I like how both of the cheaters respond at the same time every time makes it soo much more funnier, cheater groups are always like this it's obvious and with the way they respond.

[@Rodoet001]

I don't play TF2 as much these days, partly because I've soured a bit with how it's been treated and how I've been treated by the community, but I still massively respect videos like this. Cheaters always ruin multiplayer games, and any and all attempts to combat them, draw attention to them, giving people tools and tips on how to deal with them, it deserves respect. Keep up the good work and hope the algorithm favours you.

[@zenoooooo]

Hey! I know this video is a year old- so you might already know this- but you can view the profile of a player in your server easily by enabling mouse mode in the score menu and then right clicking on their name! It helps resolve the "view recent players" name change issue you've mentioned a couple times. It doesn't work in some instances, like if they have selected a team but not a class, and it will very occasionally break the steam overlay, but it's much easier than navigating through an entire second menu! Edit: wow, you mention that you don't use it for reasons in the video less than 5 seconds after I commented it for reasons, I'm a fool

[@Iteration456-8_codename_goblin]

No idea who you are But I think this is a curated video for me I found myself in uncletopia and as a medic I notice what my team does a lot more, and I saw a sniper clearly move like a bot, twitching skyrocketing points, etc. I called him out and started a vote, but it’s overwhelming 1-10 and I’m the one who gets called a dumbass I wasn’t kicked I assume because I was a top scoring medic with 15k healing but didn’t want to continue the round so I left anyway This is what the tf2 community NEEDS, a “quick” guide to make everyone have a good time

[@Dedprotectr]

Average TF2 cheat paranoia

[@jumpinghunter9152]

This is one of the best and one of the most important videos in TF2 community. And you have to spread it everywhere you can, so that every TF2 player that can see it will see it. Post it in your steam profile, ask your friends to spread it too, ask other TF2 KZbinrs to let their viewers know either about the video itself or abouts it's contents, or even advertise it in your own upcoming videos - *it* *will* *all* *be* *worth* *it,* because this is the best educational material a TF2 player can get on the topic of practical methods of dealing with cheaters. You did a great job with this video, it's top notch quality, but now you have to spread the word about it everywhere you can, to every listening soul. This will actually noticeably help the whole community, as the biggest strength of cheater is a lack of knowledge in a legit player's head, and you just so happen to have opportunity to fill that lack with your great video. Take this initiative, like you told us to do with cheaters, this is our way to change things for better ourselves!

[@peterfurenback1195]

This taught me a lot, thank you for helping push back the bots/cheaters!

[@adorablecockroach5131]

52:09 I just want to say that if someone is being obnoxious in voice chat or whatever then that shouldn't warrant a kick, the mute player option exists for a reason.

[@Idiot-u4s]

I agree, I’m so confused why people just kick.

[@Jiub_SN]

@@Idiot-u4sbecause typically they're a troll or something. It's like disciplining a child, if they're being obnoxious you don't just ignore them, you send them to time out. It'll help them to see that being annoying isn't cool

[@Idiot-u4s]

@@Jiub_SN no but I mean people who aren’t being obnoxious or anything

[@Idiot-u4s]

But I understand what you mean yeah.

[@muxinmuffin]

I respect your dedication to catching cheaters. For the average player, they just want to play the game and not detective, especially because they likely don’t realize cheating is not only an aimbot Sniper. It can be annoying when you know for certain someone’s cheating, but because it’s unconventional, people don’t seem to grasp they could be cheating, and you can’t vote kick them. The burden shouldn’t be on players, ideally the anti cheat handles it, but I commend you for educating viewers and calling these cheaters out in your games. Hope your video does well.

[@Mic.vencer]

Oh my… I just watched this video today, the day tf2 just updated and removed the ability to extend respawn timers…

[@AstroJordan06]

Those wingdings are ... surprisingly correct thanks for actually translating into wingdings instead of random use.

[@2steprandy784]

its a font in sony vegas thats most likely what he did

[@m.tsevidencevault8826]

some info: the cheat that spies use to facestab people from miles away is called "backtrack"

[@m.tsevidencevault8826]

plus: the "cl interp exploiting" is nothing more but a made up BS used by the cheaters to convince people that they're just a really good spy main

[@Dedprotectr]

more info: you can tell the difference between backtrack and manipulating cl_interp. Both deal with the actual hitbox being "late" or "laggy" in following a player's movements, however, backtrack is able to be toggled based on the needs of the player; "I want to get a funny long range stab, but I don't want to shoot someone until 2 seconds after they turn a corner" Interp takes a lot more effort to change, requiring the player to effectively die every time they want to swap between funny stab and being able to shoot their gun and hit their target. Bonus fun fact: due to the way interp works, the best way to ruin a interp spy's fun is to run directly into their face, as you will physically block them from being able to melee you. Or, if they expect you to backpedal, try to turn around and run away, the hitbox's *position* is lagged by interp, but not the *rotation*, so they will get a butter knife on you.

[@KorvasYT]

Some notes I’ll add here - Some closet cheaters might try to hide crit hacks by using Australium weapons since aussies have a unique kill icon that override the crit kill icon in the kill feed. - Cheating Demoknights in my experience seem to favor the Scotsman Skullcutter. I’m not sure why but probably due to its higher damage output and being able to random crit(And being notorious to getting a lot of crits anyways). - Someone might correct me on this but the usernames being different ingame part can be done by just changing their name through steam since the names won’t refresh mid game so they might not be cheating unless proven otherwise if you join mid game and they were already on before you.

[@theporschetiger]

51:06 That "Well shit he has a point" momet I found so funny, he had no way to fight back againstvit and just gave up

[@Games4Life7712]

13:33 The sound effect on the word "arousal"💀💀💀

[@quinnhasse9170]

Best thing the community has done: anti cheat terminator bots- they aim specifically for cheaters and are clearly named for that purpose

[@aviko9560]

I bought lmaobox 3 years ago to piss on DoesHotter bots, it was fun and people actually thanked me lol. I am not a cheater at all, I never used it against a legit player ever. But idk, It still felt dirty, you're at that point technically a part of the problem.

[@Bossatron9000]

One of the worst things about cheaters is how they can pull the wool over the eyes of new players to convince them they aren't cheating and kick anypne who calls them out

[@theonedude4322]

From my game experience, nothing fills me with more uncontrollable anger than figuring out a player was cheating the whole time, and I didn't find out until post match or until the start of the next round. I'm horrible at spotting cheats personally since my experience is lacking, so when these little bugs squirm on by without my knowledge I immediately click off before I get the urge to say something stupid. Thank you for this video. This along with Hacker Police Academy really come in handy.

[@platformerfailure3257]

As someone who watches TF2 content, but does not play it (yet), this video is very important. Even if you don't play TF2, there are cheaters in other games. The same rules here apply to nearly any other game. Mr. Tony Allen, I applaud you for not only making a comprehensive guide on how to deal with cheaters in TF2, but also in any other online game. This message needs to be spread throughout the game community: cheaters are out there, and they HAVE to go, regardless of the game.

[@moonlitlake]

My jaw nearly dropped at 45:14, as I was in a match of Harvest with Euphie yesterday. They were also playing Scout and had a Vaccinator Med pocketing em. I had like 2 or 3 other friends in my party and we pick up on cheaters really easily. At some point we team went Natascha Heavy to counter them, which made Euphie switch to Heavy themselves, still being pocketed, which admittedly having a pocket Med on Heavy makes **sense**, but as for Scout, no. We may have lost those matches, but eventually, the enemy team managed to kick them, and before they did, I had gone Cloak and Dagger Spy and ended up with successfully backstabbing Euphie. One of the best feelings I've had in TF2 recently. It's so amusing seeing them in a video about cheaters when I was in a match with them just yesterday.

[@WackoFurball6]

34:38 Vorobey explained that there are many cheat softwares that can even detect if the cheater is being spectated and that causes to turn off the cheats immediately to avoid detection, so yeah it can be even harder to detect closet cheaters...

[@JimtheFish0451]

Dude, this is great! Been watching the channel since the whole Zealot saga and it’s amazing to see an hour + video that is high quality and well edited!!!

[@kaylads]

Thank you for making this video. Its honestly insane how much it relies upon us the players to recognize and fight against cheaters, but I want to help make TF2 a game that sticks around and is accessible to all people. I still have a hard time detecting cheaters that aren't obvious sniper bots. But i have run into a heavy a few times and ironically was accused of being a medic bot.

[@rageaholicc]

"They're still playing sniper".... *cuts to him playing sniper*

[@drucy.]

26:42 You can still modify the cl_interp in your autoexec.cfg files, although the max setting is 0.5 (half a second delay).

[@nazar5908]

Tf2 KZbinrs just love to drop hour+ long videos full of effort once in a while

[@funguslord77]

Great video! And immediately got a laugh at the line "They're a blight in every gaming community" with the Blight from DBD being a cheatboy as the footage. One little note on the vac ban/game ban difference. It's not necessarily that game bans are developer applied, it can also be anticheat bans. In DBD for example both some absolute gremlin that crawls up the ban escalation by repeatedly spamming slurs and death wishes all the way to a perma and someone that got busted by Easy Anti Cheat will get a game ban on their profile!

[@purplehaze2358]

I'd just like to point out that my keyboard has a thing where I need to hit FN + F1 in order for the input to actually be registered as a vote. So I think it's worth noting that it's not always as simple as it was described in this video, even if it's still pretty simple when you get down to it.

[@lmquan082]

True, my laptop also does this. My F1 key is the Sleep key. So If i dont press FN the pc just goes to sleep lmao

[@purplehaze2358]

@@lmquan082 My F1’s a mute key.

[@hiruharii]

lmao laptop gamers

[@ToxycBanana]

This is because you haven't turned on function lock. If you don't use what the F buttons currently do, just hit Fn+CAPS or Fn+Esc and ONE of those should turn on function lock. I'm pretty sure whichever one you have to press has a lock on it. Bam. Now you only have to press F1 ever again until you unlock the key.

[@JeremyBaconThe1st]

I was struggling for months to kick and press ready in MvM because of that. Thank you for informing everyone who read it

[@averageyoutubeenjoyer9000]

And the fact some of these cheaters have items that are worth quite $$$$ and haven't been banned for years really puts me to an edge where I think a few encounters with really high level players and expensive items were cheaters....

[@qaaris4280]

The part about Cloak & Dagger detection is still kind of right. It lets you detect _stupid_ cheaters, specifically, because they'll just shoot anything that moves.

[@Its.me.Sam.]

I have 1.400h on this bloody game, and I'm asking myself: Why am I watching it? You're explaining it really well man. I hope it could help beginners to play this HELLISH game

[@burtenplays]

Thank you. I don't think Harvest is really a bad map but I absolutely hate it cause your KOTH rotation dies as soon as it comes up. Once Harvest pops up for vote, it's picked and it will be voted for every single time after.

[@danielsurvivor1372]

W Harvest Enjoyers

[@photoshallow]

Harvest is the best ​@@danielsurvivor1372

[@MyouKyuubi]

@@danielsurvivor1372 It's one of the best maps. :]

[@Nova-bv5qb]

I just hate harvest because I've seen a ton of lobbies there with cheaters. I've only played in ONE good Harvest match.

[@Smarbity]

You're a blessing to TF2. Thanks for all your work man, we all appreciate it.

[@fathorse8]

Was playing with a guy recently who was blatantly cheating and boasting in chat about being the creator of lmaobox. Still wasnt enough for his teammates to kick him. Great video, next time I encounter someone like this I'll be better equipped to handle the situation.

[@DrCoomerHvH]

Honestly, this video is well edited. Fun to watch.

[@fishhhvh]

friendly fire will not be tolerated!

[@DrCoomerHvH]

@@fishhhvh It is also fun to laugh and point at the inaccuracies. The absurdity it is to spend days or even weeks of your life editing a one hour video dedicated to attempting to get the word out about how cheats work in a 16 year old video game.

[@TheTdw2000]

In the advanced options you can enable mouse usage on the scoreboard which lets you right click a player's name to access their profile quicker.

[@echoergecko]

I have encountered a lot of engineer bots. They build a nest, camp it and eradicate anything that breaths in the opposing color. They ususally don't kill cloaked spies, but some have. They tend to stick to a specific spot in their nest with their backturned, before doing a 180 and killing you. Before walking back. Their movement is also a bit... sluggish, if you get what I mean. Moving in straight lines, to the direction they are looking.

[@Dedprotectr]

Sounds like an average casual 2fort match, to be honest.

[@pogggaming4470]

@@Dedprotectrbut overdramatic with extra steps

[@NachoPotato]

Using Billy in 35:14 is comedy gold lol. Hope he doesn't sue you for defamation or some bs xDD

[@danielsurvivor1372]

The issue with crit hack n other class specific hacks is due to how hard it is to spot em. Seriously I NEVER heard about double tap force nature hax, also I like your spectate team advice, genuinely now this video is worthy even for people who were kicking cheaters before since I never heard this pro tip, even from MaxBox.

[@murderdronesfanatic6011]

44:10 another part of this worth mentioning is that particularly fragile cheaters will sometimes do the "counting" thing on legit players who call them out/piss them off at all, so if someone throws out a hackusation before you and the response is that it can often be a very easy tell

[@wrath4452]

Literally went to open war with Omegatronic yesterday morning, the bots didn't stand a chance. Eventually, only the enemy team had bots and while we could adapt, they could not!

[@karterq003q8]

Omegatronic cheated today or yesterday, if looking at your time. For me it's today because it's 11 PM and 53 mins

[@O-01-45]

I wanted to thank you for making this video. I recently had back to back games with a scout using the double tap hack (also getting a suspicious amount of crits). Had I not known that it shouldn't one shot normally, I would have just said I had skill issue. Fortunately the enemy team was actually listening and understood what was happening resulting in a kick.

[@Autumnvoir]

dude we need to get this video 1mil, some people (honestly including myself-) really cant tell how to spot many types of cheats, and this video is a perfect tutorial on how to ruin a cheaters day!

[@ffx95]

Phenomenal video! Honestly I’ve been dealing with all sorts of script kiddies. The solo cheaters or bots are no problem. The worst ones are the group cheaters they are so hard to get kicked and they’re very toxic I’ve seen them kick random legit players. I know one’s that I very often get grouped up to in casual and just immediately leave when I hear their voice cause there’s not much you can do.

[@KingCookieCat]

Was watching the video and i heard marble machine! Great choice of music

[@waterbottle195]

this is definitely going to be a video

[@IseeSandvich]

you mentioning how firing multiple crit rockets in a row not being guaranteed example of cheating reminded me of something. When I used to be a soldier main, I actually managed to shoot 4 crit rockets unboosted on frontier final. I didn't hit anyone, but it happened at least.

[@Rayyveil1]

Something to note, Tf2 runs at 66 tps, (nearly everyone knows this), but often times many people will call hacks on someone because some frames are missing, because of this. Due to most people recording on OBS with 60 fps, you're missing 6 frames, which doesn't sound like much, but it actually most likely obscured the scout showing up on your screen (choco) in the clip where he was behind the wall.

[@tackro9358]

This is a very comprehensive video on dealing with cheaters in casual mode, this is almost 1 to 1 the procedure I have when encountering one! You should TOTALLY make a bunch of shorts as little snippets to make this hour long video digestable for the zoomers, absolute no-brainer. It sometimes helps getting the attention of your own team or the enemy team before making the callout in chat, as anyone can randomly throw out accuastions like a child does, which nobody cares for. Something simple like "hey anybody up to chat?" or "can anybody chat?" suffices, that way they are paying attention to chat and respond, which is when you then make the callout. This falls flat if nobody responds, which usually happens on european servers. From personal experience, it's never worth it to play the long game, frankly a waste of time and nerves and the cheaters might not even care! You're better off just leaving, just make one last callout before leaving, for the slight chance that somebody enacts upon it. Another thing you could do, but technichally is inferior to megascatterbombs megaanticheat, is to mute cheaters as a way to "mark" them. Mutes are permanent and give you an easy and immediate way tell who you marked and is therefore a cheater, plus cheaters don't have anything useful to say anyways or just micspam, downside being you can't read or hear their arguments against being a cheater.. Just check the mute menu and you instantly know who you're dealing with! (make sure to backup your mute list, it's stored in your steam folder somewhere) You can also go the nuclear route, like Cerulean on youtube, who just plays better than their cheats and dunks on them clowns publicly on his youtube videos.

[@PaxFTW_YTP]

"They're a blight in every gaming community," *shows the Blight from DBD* I hate you for that pun, take my like so you're closer to the full version of Wallin

[@YourFoxFriendYT]

Message to people about vac bans : a lot of players will unlock achievment items, this can lead to a vac ban.

[@flyguydev2008]

...How the hell?

[@Johncw87]

This is a lie. There's a site called AStats, which assigns scores to steam achievements, and shows you your score total. They regularly ban profiles from their site which cheat achievements. There are plenty of profiles with obviously cheated achievements (whole bunch of them being unlocked at the exact same time). Not all of them have VAC bans. Cheating achievements does not get you a vac ban. It does not carry any punishment at all outside of these niche sites that track achievements.

[@MyouKyuubi]

@@flyguydev2008 He means unlocking them via nefarious methods... A friend of mine did it, dunno how, but suddenly, one day, ALL his games unlocked 100% achievements, in the same second. xD He didn't get hacked, i'm still in contact with him, and he doesn't cheat in-game, to my knowledge,m but then again, that might only be when he's playing with me, maybe he cheats when he's playing by himself, idunno. :P Anyways, this happened a while ago now, like half a year, a year maybe... And he still doesn't have a vac ban on record... So i guess he evaded detection, somehow. :P

[@Ra1N_Zzz]

This can’t lead u to vac ban bro

[@jindormen]

The puddle pirate joke made me fr chuckle Really good video btw

[@StockFerjitsu]

I was in a casual match once and it was kinda normal with some bots being kicked, BUT at the beginning of the next round all players were replaced with bots and were spamming chat saying that actual players were bots and the bots ended up kicking everybody. So at the end of the day a server was full of bots and nobody had fun!

[@disturberofshte]

If garsaxon44 and (the creator of) megascatterbomb don’t have an argument in the reply section of this comment I’m gonna cry

[@petzouqi76]

We need more Genki clips of him popping off against cheaters.

[@Mai.Calico]

🤓

[@Oranookies]

​@@Mai.Calico???

[@JojoeulisswowRBLX]

@@Mai.Calico did Genki yell at you too?

[@Mai.Calico]

be quiet?

[@Personan642]

@@Mai.Calicoworlds laziest response

[@metalsilver7718]

Boost this video to every TF2 player on youtube! They have to watch this!!-

[@riff-_-5260]

This video slapped, im not new to any of this information but im glad there are still people like you making videos like this, ty.

[@purplehaze2358]

"They're a blight in every gaming community" That's.. debatable. Cheating's pretty benign in singleplayer settings provided no institutional challenge or competition - IE, speedrunning, no-hitting, etc - is in play.

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

I've only ever cheated in Singleplayer games, (or just versus bots in MP games), and never in a way which would effect standings in anything. There is a lot of this over claim issues in this video. A streamer who goes by Tomato got a VAC ban while playing with friends in L4D for a visual overflow glitch that happened due to a faulty mod installation. This is just an example of many where in this video puts too much weight into small things.

[@Dedprotectr]

in some multiplayer games even its not that much of a blight. The Minecraft HvH scene is pretty fun, and there's a lot of creative uses for items and blocks you would never see in traditional PvP. It really depends on how the cheating community gets along with the legitimate community. The relationship is... less stable... for TF2 lmao