TF2: Who is the KING of Subclasses?

In this video, I find out what TF2's best subclass is by running a VERY scientific experiment in Valve casual matchmaking, much like I did in the king of upward video.
CHAPTERS
0:00 INTRO
0:36 Trolldier
4:17 Ninjaneer
7:18 Pyro Shark
8:33 Demoknight
12:59 The... WHAT SCOUT?
13:33 Fat Scout
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[@Froggermelon]

The editing and style of this video are amazing!

[@SeaRavioli-TF2]

Thank you, that means a lot :)

[@NevronDiav]

@@SeaRavioli-TF2 who does your editing or do you do it yourself?

[@SeaRavioli-TF2]

@@NevronDiav All me! I have some cool friends who I bounce ideas with, but everything you see on the channel is done by me :)

[@javelinmusicranch1654]

Sigma gyat

[@Chimpin_]

@@javelinmusicranch1654 please, never open your mouth again

[@eypick6987]

Notice how gunspy isn’t featured in this video because it isn’t a subclass; it’s a domclass.

[@TedBilk]

real asf

[@MemeAnt]

Underrated comment

[@--cob--]

real

[@tasertag7513]

Sex.

[@mdbgamer556]

He's out of line, but he's right.

[@Riadguy]

i think the insane engineer sub-class is great

[@zoomieredcarplays7471]

How do you run the insane engineer subclass?

[@Riadguy]

his a insane Master mind lodout frontier justice and the wrangler and the Southern hospitality play extremely aggressively and place sentry's in places only a mad man will do and sentry jump

[@weaboo8141]

i think that's just the vanilla engineer experience

[@stormreach1234]

This but Gunslinger instead of SH for me, unhinged engie is so much fun

[@Dirakiaa]

Random tidbit, but the Reason why "Teleporters hate Staircases", is because sometimes, the entire Staircase is one big object, meaning that as far as the Game is concerned, youre trying to place an Object inside an Object (think of it like those Object Issues that cause throwables to disappear)

[@KrappyMusic]

Was omw to comment this. Thank you @Dirakiaa

[@marcunbut1058]

If you want a real scout subclass with the real scout, there is 2: - The speedster with baby face - The snipe scout with shortstop and crit-a-cola

[@rodrigo_EF]

True

[@rapidkraken2638]

I don't think using one weapon causes a subclass. Sure, you could argue the Huntsman, but simply using the BFB does not make it a whole new playstyle

[@marcunbut1058]

@@rapidkraken2638 Considering that the BFB change the way you play because you want to not double jump, so it make you a more grounded version of the scout. Yes it does change the way you play significant enought to be a subclass, like the Huntsman who change the way you charge and where you position, which make it a subclass. Because at the end of the day, thats what a subclass is: a weapon or combination of weapon who significantly change the way you play a class.

[@poyodaboyo12]

I like doing bleed scout with the Cleaver and Wrap Assassin. Soda Popper works well with those too since the bleed damage builds your hype meter

[@Tailsmonk]

Sure, those are good subclasses. But have you ever played penis scout?

[@LeafMaltieze]

I consider Huntsman a subclass. The game plan is pretty similar, but having a projectile means that you are encouraged to play much closer to the enemy if you want to consistently get kills. Other than that, there's an argument that Dragon's Fury changes how a Pyro plays enough that it's a subclass. Those are the only 2 that I would say qualify, and aren't in this video.

[@singleNim]

Consider SMG sniper, it's just slower scout with a full auto instead of a shotgun. Maybe spruce it up by ambushing people around corners with a close range sydney sleeper shot for the jarate effect, then SMG them down. Also battle medic.

[@isyeayesyup]

​@@singleNimwe dont talk about battle medic

[@Randomest_king]

@@singleNim Thin heavy

[@peanutbuttercracker1]

How quickly the world forgets about our beloved Gun Spy (oh yeah and Flava Scout)

[@silverdededestruction2197]

Dragon's Fury changes Pyro's dynamic in a team completely. Where before he was the area denial spy detector capable of dealing decent damage to multiple people at a medium range and with the addition of fast reflects with airblast, the dragon's fury grants him the opportunity of killing one person really fast and being a building buster Dragon's Fury Pyro relies more on the detonator, scorch shot, and even makes more use out of the gas passer than regular pyro, all in thanks to the hidden stat about how damage works with the DF. Other flamethrowers rely on the standard flaregun or shotgun more, and while there are a number of pyros with non-DF flamethrowers using the scorch shot, it's because they treat the scorch shot as their primary instead

[@RedEmRa]

As a strange case, tf2 subclasses always seemed like a weapon reskin to me

[@dubstepPiggy]

????

[@-TheBugLord]

What does that even mean?

[@jeremiahsmith5474]

​@@-TheBugLord It's referencing Art of the Subclass 3 where Elmaxo baited people into watching a weapon reskin video.

[@Discriminated_Doffer]

My favourite way of playing pyroshark, is by uh.. hmm.. You first get the stock or any other flamethrower that can airblast, the detonator, and the neon annihilator. You will sit in some high up area in whatever map, use the detonator to hop over to the enemy team, airblast them into the water and then use the neon annihilator. It's much more fun than wondering around til you see someone in the water. Once they know there's a pyroshark, you're done for.

[@Abyss_Clef]

There's also Flava Scout (cleaver, wrap assassin, and pretty much any primary, but most notably the force of nature)

[@Aussie_Axe]

I believe BFB or Soda Popper as the primary choice fits well due to the benefits they provide when you deal damage

[@sanboxal]

That's called Bleed Scout i think

[@chxrripop]

@@sanboxal nah its called flava

[@sanboxal]

@@chxrripop oh yeah bleed scout uses baby face's blaster

[@mr.trollman.]

I use all of those, but instead of the force of nature, I use the soda popper which is so close to being a force of nature

[@TealOpal]

I planned on making a "Ranking Heavy's Shotguns" video, but I had such a colossally unfun time recording footage for it that I shelved it. I'm a Heavy main and I don't how how people can play Fat Scout lol

[@SeaRavioli-TF2]

HAHA seriously. I had more fun than I thought I would, but I definitely cut out a lot of miserable moments

[@GameFreak64101]

You're known for hating the Heavy Shotguns It's a secondary for a reason Shotguns are a great way to keep mobility without having to rev up and pick off annoying classes

[@Lawlz4Dayzz]

​@@SeaRavioli-TF2the crit oves def helped withl range but playing a map with longer sightlines would prob make fat scout real weak

[@MaximusChivus]

​@@Lawlz4Dayzz Fat scout is surprisingly decentish on Hightower. Fat scout is weak but strengthened by mental trickery and bad teammates

[@Otokathe1]

@@SeaRavioli-TF2the way to play penis scout is be the biggest dick so, steal health packs from teammates with the Boston basher, spawn camp with the backscatter manly just think of something to make you look like the biggest asshole

[@CreemSmile]

2:25 "At this point I was starting to feel myself" ayo??? bro in your own time

[@SeaRavioli-TF2]

HAHHA I had another take where I just stopped mid sentence and was like "that was so weird why did I say that"

[@thatanti-veganteacher2326]

As a Team Fortress 2 Subclass, I can confirm I am the best

[@Pangrease]

Live action Bart Simpson > demoknight, trolldier, fat scout, pyroshark 💯

[@Temmieundertale]

@@Pangreasefar scout

[@tango_mangleleader6971]

"Most original KZbin comment"

[@Pangrease]

@@tango_mangleleader6971 it is original?

[@Pangrease]

@@Temmieundertale fat scout*

[@megalomafian-yd2is]

Pro Tip: Try playing demoknight until you get 4 heads, then fly back to spawn and switch your shield for the sticky launcher and proceed to sticky spam the entire game with added hp and speed

[@kasrapourahmadi4574]

Doesn't switching loadout reset the heads?

[@thedelly535]

@@kasrapourahmadi4574 Actually if you stay in your loadout slot (A,B,C,D) and change your primary and/or secondary weapons outside of spawn, you can run back to spawn and get your new loadout without resetting your head count.

[@davidnewhart2533]

​@@thedelly535 Because you still have Eyelander equipped, right?

[@thedelly535]

@@davidnewhart2533 Yes.

[@asherbrock4155]

Awesome trolldier gameplay man, and i feel your pain when you whiffed that perfect bhop chain.

[@Asiankid120]

People do not know about the unknown subclass The very light heavy (sniper with only the smg) The fat spy (heavy with the knife and the steak)

[@barkerbarks2537]

Holiday punch also works for fat spy

[@Asiankid120]

@@barkerbarks2537 spy have knife tho

[@barkerbarks2537]

But holiday punch can backstab@@Asiankid120

[@skreechverminking2227]

Me and my buddy just both played fat scout at the same time. It was quit hilarious especially at those moments we teamed uo together to show omenscout player what it meams to face their fat counter part😂

[@puzzlepuddles6712]

strangely enough i find myself hitting more gardens in a trolldier duel rather than a match. in another way, it also feels more honorable

[@BlippiHarlemShake]

Its the real half zatoichi

[@jc_art_]

Its the same way for pyroshark gameplay, as playing against another pyroshark is the majority of the expected fun. Its a simple matter of skill, no random crits, whos better at melee. While it isnt as difficult or exciting as other subclasses, it still is quite fun when you get good at it. Its basically water trolldier, where you have to have good enough movement and strategy to get within melee range to garunteed crit your enemy under specific circumstances. The one big issue with the subclass that makes it borderline unfun in somecases is the simple existence of the engineer class, as there is nothing a pyroshark can do against a sentry nest, and its existence blocks off atleast a third of your available playspace. If there is a sentry in the actual water below the bridge, its time to play as a different class or subclass for a while 🫠

[@Chimpin_]

I think something to consider is that some maps have longer games, meaning you are able to get more points on them. It might have been best to play on a map that all of them do good in, and if one outlier happens to occur, like a subclass that does really bad on that map, then you can just switch maps to one of similar game lengths that the subclass is good on. edit: neeevermind i happened to watch the rest of the video and he uses points per minute instead of total average points

[@big_azzy]

But the points were measured per minute

[@Chimpin_]

@@big_azzy read the entire comment before you reply to it

[@big_azzy]

@@Chimpin_ watch the entire video before you comment on it ;p

[@Chimpin_]

@@big_azzy watching the entire 20 min video vs taking another 5 seconds to read the comment is obviously the same thing

[@big_azzy]

@@Chimpin_ it's not that serious man, I ended it with a winky p and everything

[@randem_6503]

Pyroshark can actually be quite fun and surprisingly effective if you don’t just limit yourself to only using the neon and sticking solely to the sewers, throw on a shotgun and just become a roaming pyro who lures people down to the water by pestering them from a distance or airblasting them in, the switch to the neon to finish or just keep shotgunning if they’re out of range

[@avensmith7282]

Should've done the bleed scout subclass (force-a-nature, cleaver, and wrap assassin), it's my one of my favorite things

[@preyasmanthedemopan2854]

If you wanna do a part 2, there's always the battle engie (pistol, gunslinger, and frontier justice/widowmaker), huntsman sniper, battle medic (blutsaugr is best for this), and hybrid knight (just demoknight with the Loch-n-Load) and the paratrooper (soldier with the air strike and b.a.s.e. jumper), just some suggestions ;)

[@pikapikachu1823]

And Ninja-neer Which Is Just Playing Engineer Like A Spy (Tricky And Hard To Catch)

[@bobbyuser1]

This was an amazing video lad, definitely saw the massive upgrade in scoring however I actually jumped with joy when I saw my favourite sub-class be the best sub-class. Would watch again

[@sppender8099]

gun spy would have been a good subclass to include (at least I think its a subclass lol)

[@Ozzvald]

Your style of content literally takes me back to the old tf2 youtube days with jerma, star_, lazypurple, muselk and others. Keep it up!

[@smackstar1015]

Battle Engie, Air-strike soldier with base jumper, and Scunt (Scouts who use the F-a-N or the Shortstop to push people to their deaths.) would have been funny to see.

[@SpriterMite]

Sea, You should either do Trickstabs pt. 2, or maybe try to do every soldier trick (rocket jumping)

[@I1-_Ok_-1I]

I think I just found my new favourite TF2 KZbinr, keep up the good work my guy!

[@Turt2rl]

This video was very well made and entertaining, I would love to see more videos like this and maybe gunspy in the future!

[@DarthYeeter29]

found you in game and started watching your videos and im glad i met you in game your content is really funny and good love it

[@Bananaeeee-e-eeeeee]

Anotha day, another banger. Keep it up SeaRavioli.

[@TF2Mann.]

You have found yourself a new sub! Great video bro!

[@Josukegaming]

This was really funny, well made

[@EngineerTf2main]

Rocket jumping the sniper WAS SO SATISFYING

[@H4nd1ess]

My favorite sub class is harassing tftubers with Righteous Bisons until one accepts. I call it, "The wallet destroyer".

[@yKyzerr]

i was waiting for someone make that video

[@Elmo483.]

Such an underrated Channel. Great video

[@SeaRavioli-TF2]

Thank you!! :D

[@mateolachone8841]

my man did the ninjaneer dirty

[@acid_tongue_4315]

Love this guys voice and video ideS, instantly subbed 🫡

[@AnimaWild]

It's so sad that we can't consider the sandman scout with the guillotine as a subclass anymore NOOOOO Really fun video! I would honestly love to see this again but with other subclasses since theres so manY

[@commodorex]

I like the shove-scout playstyle. You equip the short-stop, and any secondary or primary, your goal is to shove people into harm's way (into sentry/sniper sightlines, map hazards, etc.) I tend to run candy cane and mad milk so I can be a supportive player, but I prioritize the shove because it's funny

[@Just_a_Dragon69]

11:20 well thats pretty obvious... They have 2 choises: huntdown the demo or let him free on the backline, they know you want the attention, but if the ignore you you are gonna keep killing snipers and medics coming out of spawn one after another, is a lose/lose situation anyway

[@Shawey06]

You always hear people say that "you're cool, i'll watch your content" the proceed to watch one of your videos occansionally No Lie, i legitimately love your content, up there with Lazy, Dane and Soundsmith, keep up the great work Sea!

[@LaPoubelle42]

Pistol spy with dead ringer and spycicle is a subclass imo. You knife is mostly just for cleansing afterburn, and dead ringer because you are attacking with pistol, not sneaking behind them or anything

[@tpmiranda]

For the Scout I know of the Cleaver Scout sub-class. Essentially it's a Scout equipped with the Flying Guilloutine and Sandman. Cleaver Scout first stun their enemies with the Sandman's baseball, then kills their enemies with a crit throw of the Flying Guilloutine.

[@Xanderfazbear64]

there is a subclass for scout called Pirahna scout where you use the atomizer and swim in water, it tricks the game into giving you infinite mini crits and you can destroy the enemy team.

[@CalbDoesStuff]

just discovered your channel, i'm leaving your editing style and video ideas!

[@gxalcremieshiny4229]

With scout I use the Crit-Scout: - Soda Popper - Crit-a-Cola - Fan o' War gimmick is to get crits, so you when you enter a melee fight, mark em with the fan o' war, and crit em if you need some crits rq, pop a cola if your soda popper meter is full, grab a cola and activate the meter, fly around and land crits like a maniac

[@luhmunky]

The best subclass is the friends and memories we made along the way

[@goldenpineapplesgobrrr9973]

Bear heavy (variant of boxer heavy) is my 2nd favorite subclass following the demoknight

[@asteroidalassassin6949]

5:19 during respawn they have cameras. That's how the demo was able to find out about your teleporter.

[@deez6683]

But that’s only for their team, the camera wouldn’t be on the blue tele

[@Fesh3314]

Scout Subclass: the FISH MAN, basically Holy Mackarel with Baby face, using the FISH will instantly fill up your speed, allowing for some insane disrespect that's announced server wide

[@AllClass_]

You should check on the in game item sets in tf2 (the ones that have weapons in the set) like the saharan spy the gas jockey the special delivery itd be a cool thing

[@thealeks1]

Would love to see a master class of rocket jumping. Good job as usual on the vieo

[@mattparnall4148]

Fat scout might be a meme but it's actually a damn good way of plating Heavy. I normally play a sort of hybrid fat scout, where I usually use the family business, but pull out my minigun when it's more useful. I know this may be sacrilegious, but I think of it as quite similar to Bastion from Overwatch, with a mobile mode and a high dps mode. I normally use the tomi, stock, or even the Beast, depending on map/enemy team comp/mood.

[@XxIWINSTUFFxX]

Some funny ones I have seen (I am not super familiar with the weapon names) are the scout spy which uses some sort of suppressed pistol and a blade and the other one was the crazed gunman sniper with a like shotgun primary which was funny

[@TypicalTrashEdits17]

Its was so cool seeing you on upward! Btw it’s milkywayz

[@Mikes_Imagination]

love ur work :)

[@lazernarwhall]

so that’s why i found you playing demoknight

[@hashgamer3558]

“NO MEDIC TURN AROND… SPY” 18:20 -SeaRavioli

[@hellsgames5322]

and next, the sequel featuring huntman, gun spy, and battle medic

[@idkimlazy9058]

the best pyroshark technique is land sharking where u airblast them into the water, its a little more fun

[@riku2193]

Scout subclass salt and pepper scout. The primary with the shove the cleave and the wrap assassin. Instead of a short range threat you become a medium to long range threat. You throw your projectiles empty primary reload then projectiles are back up again. So you just repeat that as long as you have enemies. If you use this subclass please call it salt and pepper scout as you pepper your enemies with projectiles.

[@PFSnypr]

double bleed scout with the baby face is fun

[@youtoozboi763]

As a pyroshark main I can say what makes him so fun for me, in a 2fort game sewer pushes happen a lot so people just haplessly walk into you plus if you use the shotgun you can shoot people while in water making you a menace, and if you get bored you can just go up the sewer and cook some people before going back down, plus the satisfaction of beating up that one hapless heavy and medic duo trying to camp is amazing.

[@JohnMBlue1992]

THANK YOU!

[@gippiepinkster]

scoutknight: boston basher reskin and any drink

[@cheese1008]

My first and only market Gardner was doing a b-hop never done it since I’ve already peaked

[@FreddyxMonika]

Nothing beats the good ol' 65 damage of the shotgun from the Heavy

[@iposttiktoks4427]

He may not be pregnant but he never fails to deliver 🔥

[@SeaRavioli-TF2]

WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY 🔥🔥🔥

[@Obamnade]

Looks like ima be playing fat scout from now on

[@neoncherry4449]

My favorite subclass has to be the f2p engineer

[@polypotterplayz2015]

I have never seen someone use the Rocket Jumper and a shotgun before (Trench-Shotgunner?)

[@captainwhiplash9084]

There's also sniperknight who uses jarate (sometimes cleaners carbine I think) + bushwacka I could be wrong though

[@Pangrease]

Hey bro its me I drink pan grease, it was good seeing ya an hour ago on upward, you did well as spy and dont worry about procrastinating

[@CowsR4me]

rocket jumping minigame is the most fun game in TF2

[@noahthecrazy1632]

I honestly enjoy pyroshark, the slow waiting play style is fun to me

[@fruityjoy]

so a sub class for demo that i love is a demo bomb when you use skull crusher or sword and sticky jumper go throu sky and kill snipers and anyone execpt heavy

[@asm_ghost]

Hey!! I'm in the demoknight segment (8:33), I'm happy :))))))

[@able076]

Actually saw you in a upward game not to long ago you were a really good spy but the other team was not having it 10/10 fun teammate

[@kalukagamingfellaguy]

Dark blue sky thumbnail chads feasting over cloudy skycels

[@powersurge_beast]

Melee obsessed Heavy with brass beast, SO BASED

[@GeorgePerakis]

Gun Spy with the Ambassador is the best subclass because it just doubles down on making Spy a worse Sniper.

[@truestbluu]

you should've done the flava scout: primary - any secondary - cleaver tertiary - wrapped assassin

[@Vitorioso007]

12:59 I thought it would be Nurse Scout with Shortstop(optional), Mad Milk and Candy.

[@KKsKrissvs121]

You should retry ninjaneer. Best maps for ninjaneer is Goldrush, Swiftwater and Frontier. Tele should be in bush, shade or high up (wrangle jump). Badwater is terrible for ninjaneer. On offense you have to reach snipers nest that overlooks final, and since its the only good tele spot it will be found. On defense you need to hold 2nd cap until they pass you. Best to hold the back containeryard corner building, and keep tele active for team. Its the building with the 50% Health pack that trolldiers always jump to when escaping you on roof.

[@TheSacredTapu]

As a pyro player, pyro shark is always a good way to try something different every To fort game

[@JohnMBlue1992]

👍🏻🔥

[@beep1265]

hey man, very good video, and incredible editing but just to know which hud do you use?

[@SeaRavioli-TF2]

ToonHUD!

[@ghosted_w]

sea ravioli you are literally my most favourite team fortress 2 content creator.

[@tinmansleepy]

1:40 hello mr searavioli

[@danbilous6109]

what are your viewmodel settings? also great vid btw

[@erlmix]

at the trolldier you were playing with ratlobber, richter and figardo thats pretty cool 2:01 (look at leaderboard)

[@justinjones6639]

I know a subclass for scout ots the piranha scout mainly its the atomizer or a clever must always be in water maps

[@vitor_000]

piranha scout once again forgotten...

[@SG69KEK]

Hey SeaRavioli✌️ Your a really cool KZbinr. Im searching for a good tf2 hud and your hud seems cool. Where did you get it? ❤❤

[@maybeacoolguy]

"and i feel like i really, really, need to make that show, because- augh~" dawg what the fuck

[@jacobjerny7502]

There is a scout subclass, that being the double-projectile or “ranged flava” scout. FAN or Babyface, Cleaver, and Wrap Assassin.

[@sendL546]

Thats literally my main loadout for soldier, if u put a green cap there that wouldve been awesome

[@davidmacdonald1855]

Good start but you missed a few subclasses. Need/want a part 2:)

[@SeaRavioli-TF2]

Haha definitely considering. I actually recorded 5 more subclasses but the video was going to be waaaaay too long. Might get around to a part 2 eventually…

[@quirkyc]

The Scout subclass is Bloody Scout, cleaver wrap assassin

[@jollytemplar3670]

Battle med, huntsman sniper (or smg sniper if you’re feeling masochistic), and bleed scout are all fun (albeit mostly useless) subclasses if you wanna make a sequel

[@calsalitra4689]

I think performing better with the Fat Scout makes some amount of sense. Compared to the other 4 you're playing a conventional game with a conventional gun. No glaring weaknesses like Demoknight, no silly gimmicks like Pyroshark. Just 300 health and a gun. Probably has nothing to do with any minor issues with your scientific and informative study. Plus, I feel like Fat Scout is surprisingly close to really being something. The ability to immediately respond to threats and move during a fight can be worth giving up the damage of a minigun, especially if you find opportunities to whip out the KGB. This isn't the issue with Fat Scout, imo. The real problem is that Fat Scout requires you give up both your miniguns AND your lunchbox items. Giving up one of those in exchange for better mobility during fights can make sense, but giving up both isn't functional. He needs health to tank, without support from his team or a lunchbox to tide him over he becomes a sitting duck after every fight. Fat Scout is missing the raw power that makes him so effective when he has support AND the lunchbox sustainability to function on his own, so you end up with a gimmick that doesn't fit anywhere. Just letting him trade Sasha for a Sandvich and MAYBE giving a small speed buff would make Fat Scout actually worth considering as an alternate playstyle.

[@jesuslopez8056]

I feel like ninjaneer really shines in 2fort more than badwater imo