V8 Swapped Miata vs Ford Mustang GT Drag Race & Roll Race

[@TFLcar]

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[@Jayturbo_ENTJ]

Nice…🎉😢😅😊❤

[@westwestforlife]

😊ty😮😊😮😮😊

[@westwestforlife]

Ll😢

[@SkyyMi]

A V8 go kart with a full interior with a Vin and Plates. I mean what more could you want in life

[@Pilot545]

A Porsche, apparently.

[@NycXTool]

@@Pilot545 Exactly! I'd like to see it vs a 718 now

[@XxXDOMINIONXxX]

a porsche lol

[@Malinkadink]

@@Pilot545 Definitely, especially when the whole job costs 75K + donor car, that's a lot of options for cars at the 100k mark, new or used.

[@Kclerie]

A LS swap with a curb of 2790lbs, and 50/50 is insane.

[@gofetchdesignllc2235]

Hate to sound like THAT guy, but it's the most impressive part of buying something like a used c5z or c6z. 3080 or under with zero weight reduction, 50/50 and a FAR more capable chassis. Even a regular coupe isn't far off and its not difficult at all getting them to 2800-2900 lbs. I was very close to LS swapping my last but the smart money is on the vette. That said, the experience in a car like that is pretty non trivial. I've driven many cobras, own a blown vette and a viper but an LS3 Miata would be an entirely different animal.

[@92rednotch]

Not 50/50 anymore. As a GM guy, I love the LS, but the swaps are tired.

[@Arcaged]

@@gofetchdesignllc2235 also its 2790lbs with everything in it, and it's 51/49 like he said, there is room to lose some weight, a vette striped won't have that weight distribution and at the end of the day you lose the sleeper factor. do this swap in a ST miata and you lose another 160lbs, and you still have a modern car with a decent interior, options...

[@BrHH772]

@@gofetchdesignllc2235 well the reason old corvettes are comparable in weight is due to old chassis and body being less safer than modern cars by a lot. plus unterior is a garbage, and cutting it out wouldn't exactly be the correct comparison. my c7 gs 1lt with forged wheels, full unterior is ~3400 lbs. That car would be more or less comparable to ND miata in terms of safety/modern interior. And soft top v8 Miata would be 750 lbs lighter... but c7 gs would cost you just ~60k, which is way less than 100k Miata

[@jaredpowell4108]

​​@@gofetchdesignllc2235Those aren't far more capable chassis. They're mostly junk. Also you'd have to drive a Corvette, which is embarrassing

[@NWI_Steel]

I didnt catch "V8" in the title, clicked on it, and was so confused what tommy was driving 😂

[@jedironin380]

🤣

[@jasonharris6412]

Same here!

[@ColocasiaCorm]

Read better

[@Cloud30000]

I would definitely get myself in a lot of trouble with that Miata.

[@chiemekaa]

Most impressive is shoehorning a 6.2L V8 inside a Miata!

[@NBSV1]

That’s why LS swaps are so common. Old style pushrod engine makes them more compact. I’d like to do one with a short stroke LS built for high rpm. You don’t really need the high torque in a light car so making it a high rpm screamer would be fun.

[@_shreyash_anand]

@@NBSV1 A screamer LS Miata with 650-700hp? I'd pay for that

[@ayushmalpeddi2793]

It's physically not that crazy large. The 5.0 Coyote is a physically larger engine

[@raymondsnow7745]

The Hellcat swapped NA was crazier and didn't fit under the hood

[@rtcturnemup7028]

@@raymondsnow7745there’s a KZbinr finishing the swap now. He has the engine and everything mated up

[@jackpoage5419]

1:30 "because it has a cam" When people asked me if my 409 425HP had a cam I told them, "No it's a 2 stroke". Almost no one caught on.

[@ghostofcpast8893]

I caught both. Used to hear " 3/4 cam" ...what...the hell...are you talking about? Or " full race cam ". We built stock cars for 15 years and all we went by was lift and duration.

[@propertypreparedness6846]

Love seeing a guy who gets to live out his passion. We all should aspire to do that.

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

There is a guy in Texas that drag races an electric Miata that he built for under 20k with forklift batteries and motors. He is running in the 8 second quarter mile now...

[@Xenomorphenia]

Yep... almost 100K for this Miata is quite pricey, IMO.

[@sturdyvw]

But it’s out of juice at the quarter lol.

[@Cloud30000]

That Miata is one of the few cars that actually needs a big rear spoiler to have any hope of utilizing the full power

[@Cloud30000]

I would love to see that Miata with giant summer race slicks and a spoiler, then rematch the 911 to see the difference.

[@trixkid27]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@williamgentry3427]

Spoilers are for turns, not street cars in a straight line. 11’s in nowhere near fast enough to need a wing for straights.

[@thesaltysergeant4103]

I was going to say this as well. It would make it ohh so much better. !!!

[@xtnuser5338]

In a drag race? A spoiler or wing won't help it launch any better. And it seems to use the full power just fine in higher gears. I'm sure it would help power out of turns on a road course, but it's not going to do much for drag racing it.

[@larrycuritsjr7289]

Guys, I appreciate that you got on with the drag race right away! You filled all the info in the middle & finished up with an additional race. Awesome pacing of video!

[@AceCyberstarGaming]

“Should have a 2 Liter Naturally Aspirated Squirrel underneath the hood “ 😂

[@Oldskul-iz4om]

Brings back memories of the '90"s, when there were several people swapping the Ford 302 Windsor, into Miata's, and beating the pants off unsuspecting drivers!!

[@AceCyberstarGaming]

V8 Miata sounds epic!!!

[@impurfekt]

That Miata needs an exorcist.

[@mediocreman2]

Very cool. I would be tempted to just get the Porsche though. Miata ND is $20k, then $80k for the V8 install puts it in a category with a lot of tried and trued competition.

[@Cakebattered]

Just buy a used Pontiac Solstice/Saturn Sky Mallet Edition. They can be had for less than the price of any Porsche.

[@LordToxygene]

​@Cakebattered thank you! I needed this info!

[@weegeemike]

I would LOVE to own one of these...im sure theyre at least $60k, dude has a LOT of parts and labor involved in a build like this.

[@ScoobyFermentation]

Nice write-off for Roman’s personal $150k Porsche 911.

[@AmericanDuck]

If they brought the price down about $40k, you’d have a tons of these on the road. Great idea, but executed to a ridiculous price point.

[@dub88acc]

I think thats the point. Considering a Lotus Emira with 400+ hp and even a cayman gt4 are all north of 100k. So this is around that ballpark. You're paying for someone else doing the research and putting in the sweat in order for you to daily drive it.

[@spcneary]

@@dub88accvery true, people try to put these in the same box as a stock Miata or a mustang GT, it’s so much more than that. Honestly what a value, if I had 100k-140k to buy a fun car and already owned a a daily and a pickup this would be in my top 3. I used to work at a Mazda dealer, the RF is a very good car from the factory and much more worthy of a v8 than older models.

[@AmericanDuck]

@@dub88acc I understand what you mean, but this is not a Porsche or Lotus. Much of the engineering has already been accomplished by Mazda and Flyin’ Miata. The cost and labor of the parts is at a premium. There is no reason to buy this car if you can get those cars with loan and a full warranty or a lease. It’s a very expensive novelty otherwise that most people that enjoy Miatas are going to balk at. If you undercut those cars with a better price, then you’ve got a great opportunity to make even more money because of a value that will increase the company’s profits through volume. Everyone wins. Maybe they are doing it that way, but it doesn’t seem like it.

[@carlospacheco8640]

@@dub88acc Audi RS3 and a BMW M2 are 400hp+ and both cost less than $70k. Even the new Supra which is a 2 seater sports car has almost 400hp and costs $60k. Plus, these are all brand new prices with warranties and 0 miles on the chassis and engines. The price for this Miata is too expensive. But to each their own.

[@ayushmalpeddi2793]

That's never happening unless the partner with GM or something.

[@billnorblat4047]

Thank you for actually launching the Targa! So frustrating to watch Roman just roll the throttle on.

[@TFLcar]

Roman says he does that just to piss you off🤔

[@markspence3750]

That is alot of work to put a Camaro rear diff in that car. That's almost more work than the crate engine....

[@dustinleonard3408]

you guys must have never heard of the Monster Miata's from back in the 90's...

[@mikeyc8139]

$100,000 Mazda after car+mods is not really my thing but hey, the Miata crew... maybe.

[@danbufford8848]

I doubt that's anywhere near that price. People have been swapping them for 10k-20k since 1989.

[@thewheelieguy]

​@@danbufford8848 the shop owner said $75,000 plus your car. And yeah, that's 3x the price of the swaps I've followed on the forums.

[@raymondsnow7745]

Miata drivers would not want this car.

[@HR3EEE]

Overpriced.

[@yoder903]

You can get the car for like 20k on marketplace, then probably engine and transmission for like 20-30k, so half that price

[@ricardolandgrave2532]

This is basically like following the recipe for a Cobra with the wrong ingredients and still getting an amazing result.

[@joyroc885]

Remember seeing one of these on The smoking tire channel a while back. I wanted one then and I still want one now. lol

[@vaabisvobear]

So do I...

[@jedironin380]

I saw one years ago at Bristol with a Miata event. It was from "their main competitor." He was telling me they had to de-tune the LS3 to get better handling and faster road course times in the Miata. He ran some laps around Bristol speedway behind the pace car, it was nuts!

[@markspence3750]

I just watched "Ford v Ferrari" and I have always wondered why nobody makes a modern version of the AC Cobra with a roof, preferably with a 289, not a 427. Kit cars are one thing, but a factory-built car would be awesome.

[@robertlaw2304]

I’ve seen a Miata with a 289

[@raymondsnow7745]

Factory 5 will do that for you. Can get a small block stroker in it too

[@MrDinodane]

That car is awesome. Love the sound

[@wackit6756]

Geez, you would think they would put the top on in the Miata to reduce drag, seems like a no brainer for better acceleration times.

[@sbklvr]

Pretty awesome Miata, wondering if maybe a turbo Kswap would be a better route, less weight, .more room for activities. How about the 911 running low 12s , a mile up. That rear motor set up has all the grip. Geeat video, guys.

[@WheresHerb]

I'd be happy with a GM 3.8 V6 turbo in the Miata. As long as it's manual.

[@MidwestMotor]

I WAS SO looking forward to watching this video but after the very first 10 seconds I'M OUTTA HERE!!!!! The SCREACHING man imploded my head!

[@GTStuning-]

I've tuned a few older Miatas as well as 350z and FR-S cars with 6 speed LS swaps. Super fun combo

[@abqcrutch]

Another great Tommy and Kase video. That Miata is ridiculous!

[@Roddy451]

I lived in a place where engine swapping was very common. The craziest ones I watched were a Volvo 240DL with a big-block V8 and a Suzuki Forsa with a 1.8 Toyota engine. Needless to say, the Miata is my cup of tea.

[@shaneflutsch2270]

Watching this and listening to the times that they hit really pushes home the point that a lot of people dont understand, they think that if they buy a mustang (or any car honestly) that ran a 12.1 quarter mile that they have a 12 second street car. But on the street without tires being aired up just to the perfect pressure, and without an actual dragstrip and light, timer, etc, theyre going to run a bit slower. Quite a bit slower.

[@racequad9]

$80,000 and you still need to provide the car?!?! So you're at over $100k when it's all said and done.... Damn! If you have some mechanic know-how, and browse the used market, you can build this yourself for under $45k. Under 100k mile 2015-2019 Miata's are going $13k-$19k in my area, so you can find one dirt cheap if it has issues and high miles. LS3 engine off a 5th gen Camaro under $5k or find a low mile mild built one for $10Kish. New T56 magnum for under $4k. Used rear end with fresh rebuild under $1,500. Engine mounts, ECU, brakes, axles, and other misc parts $5Kish, probably less. That's under $40k on the high end. Don't forget you can sell the stock parts you pull off your Miata.

[@robertgartner6072]

Unfortunate that is not the situation. The "magic sauce" is the software (custom made by Flying Miata) that translates all the Miata electronic signals (from all the onboard computers) and remaps them to the GM signals. This is something that was coordinated with both Mazda and GM for a SEEMLESS implementation.

[@racequad9]

@@robertgartner6072 that alone isn't worth $40k. Plus, I'm sure they'll sell you software for you to install in your build. Which, again, will be way less than buying a car built by them

[@jasonzuress9908]

@@robertgartner6072 I'd just put a Haltech in it.

[@theoriginaljohngalt2450]

It take a lot more than “some mechanic know how” to do something like this! As a mechanic for over 20 years, projects like this aren’t easy, especially for the clean set up. There’s so much to know! Let alone doing the electronics of it all. Most people dread doing anything with electrical or understand how it all works.

[@LeslieGreenberg]

Stang runs 12.4_115. Stock. Meata. 11.26._123...any questions ????

[@ayushmalpeddi2793]

Seems about right but idk how easy it's gonna hook up. No traction control on the car

[@charleslewis9853]

Would not take much money to add hp to mustang.

[@ScottToavs]

SWEET! thanks' for keeping these alive

[@ctbtyper]

Tommy's reaction in the drag race made my day! :D

[@GODEYE270115]

Never thought I’d see a miata that actually looks intimidating The fact that it hooks off the line is nuts

[@killakam123321]

Still couldn't justify spending 100k+ on a miata

[@davehooper6481]

I've got one on GT7 with well over 600hp. It would be too risky to drive it hard in real life but it's a blast with a VR helmet!!

[@phillyhump]

So, the way I understood it was $75,000 on top of the price of the car. Lol. So over 100,000 for Miata? A MIATA!?!?

[@tealchief]

twenty bucks this guy own a pig fat american car.

[@saxon1177]

That 3-liter Porsche is simply badass!

[@2910mack]

just happy to see him rowing through them gears, great driving

[@Eklectic1]

A wild third party engineered Miata-Vette is still no match for Porsche's precision passion.

[@lucasblanchard47]

11:12 just like Tommy said, this is an absolutely BONKERS swap package and I WANT ONE!

[@ewoggerts]

He had the roof off its pretty much a giant parachute.

[@leovi8706]

This is not just an engine swap... the whole thing is redone, the only mazda in that car in the badge. 😂 love it!!!

[@WalterA-b3d]

Way better than a Cobra kit car if you want something to actually drive in comfort. Having a/c is a must have. Those large v8s make a lot of heat that transfers into the drivers area. Fun and informative video.

[@narrowistheway77]

All internal combustion engines that use pistons have cams…. What you meant to say was it had a “hot cam upgrade”

[@InvestBetter.]

A V8 Miata? There's love in the room.... I live in Miami, and drive a C7 Z06 with a 7-speed, so this is right up my alley

[@redtesta]

LS3's are monsters. Very cool what was done but $75k is pretty steep. Just sayin.

[@_Chev_Chelios]

He said that engine has a cam… That is incredible.

[@TTTmustang]

Why do all these car channels use the slower 6 speed mustang when they race against other cars

[@danbufford8848]

Keep it even. Manual😂vs manual. Not to mention keeping compare prices down. The 10r80 would make a large difference in both.

[@TTTmustang]

@@danbufford8848 I understand and I know that car would still beat an auto mustang. That thing was amazing. Awesome video!! It’s just not to many KZbinrs making content with the auto. In this video it makes sense why they used the 6 speed. Cheers

[@Darren-su2gm]

So it only wieghs 2879 pounds costs over $100 k and is a little faster than a stock $50 k mustang.I still would go with the mustang Gt.I also like that there is more room in the mustang and a back seat area.

[@jedironin380]

The "back seat" in a Mustang really doesn't count for much. I had a 2011 GT (first year for the Coyote engine) and the rear seat is really useless. Very hard to get in to, can't really seat people in it, and it's hard to get stuff in and out of. It did run a 12.9 @ 110mph 1/4 mile on the crappy stock tires, though. 😃

[@7000U9ZHIFT]

LMAO keep dreaming.. the more they go the more that 6.2 is pulling in 2800lb car lmao... 100k car your tripping

[@clarrnceclark9482]

Yes I would take the mustang It wouldn't take that much To boost the power then you would have a race The tang is much heavier That didn't help The race As far as the backseat I think they're just Find that dude who doesn't like the seat has a problem maybe he has hemorrhoids

[@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman]

Miata has the Heartbeat of America but that German engineering 🏁

[@comfort_in_discomfort]

I want one. Absolutely will have one.

[@stevenarseneault1972]

What if you launched the Miata in 2nd gear? Should hook up with low torque then max HP in high rpms.

[@WaveManMike]

They should do this to a Lotus!

[@nickmorris9383]

They did....it's called Hennessey venom f5, currently the fastest production car in the world and has driven over 300mph!.....they started out using lotus cars, now though, I think all production is done complete in house with carbon fiber.

[@dmart29]

Never thought I’d say this…that Miata sounds so good 👌

[@Kurtio_]

70k? I took a 05 dropped a ls1 in it for 10K but I built it. They make Miata ls swap kits which u need for the subframe it's like 2k. Ofc u can pick whatever ls engine u want tbf. It's not all that hard build it yourself it's also fun to build for a first swap car

[@Steve-O_FPV]

$100k for a Miata?!? No thanks.

[@nathanbillingsley42]

You all act like this is the first Miata with an ls in it. Taylor ray and others have had them for drifting for years.

[@Nellie-H]

Great job! Sarasota my hometown! His location is actually in Bradenton 😉

[@stoneyt46]

Flying miata used to do the swap for 30k and were the first to do it. They stopped cuz of carb laws in CA and sold the plans to a few other companies. Insane mark up from this guy. I wanted to do this to mine when the engine blows but I'm not fuggn spending 75k. Now im rethinking it. 500lbs heavier also... Does that defeat the meaning of the miata? With my 210hp ND, iv already bested 700hp hellcats at willow springs raceway by 9-11 seconds. Now I think ill just turbo it...

[@hermesmcclintok]

It's probably fun. It also definitely costs as much as a brand new z06.

[@scotter]

I bet it's MPG is better than any car with an engine that size ever, given how light that car is! I'm super curious what that MPG is.

[@roguedogx]

Before watching- honestly I don't think so. Even with a V8, the MX-5 still has fundamentally less grip on launch, and the power to weight ratio isn't enough to make that up in the quarter mile.

[@roguedogx]

18:30 okay so depending upon what gear and speed, I think this is where the Badger will take it. The manual gearbox will allow the MX-500 to get right to max power right away, the 911 will have to build boost and pick a gear. couple that with the Mx-5's top end advantage, and I would be the 911 will just steadily fall back as the speed climbs.

[@roguedogx]

I am not doing good today.

[@gunsncars469]

I'd rather spend the money on a C8,or a c7 z06

[@anotherplottwist]

It's a simple thing of beauty.. point & shoot 🕺🏽🕺🏽

[@jamesonpace726]

Ok, now that's the dern coolest sleeper, ever....

[@MarMPB]

🏆Thanks for the video, guys! Love that Shelby Cobra approach of a big V8 in a small sport car! But considering I have the same initial dream as the fabricator, I have to ask: which one would be faster, the FFR Cobra with the common crate Coyote engine or the Miata LS3 V8?

[@ryryy1980]

This video starts out great!

[@SolveFixBuild]

I wonder if a Whipple would fit under the Miata’s hood. 🤔

[@NBSV1]

The small/medium ones would. Seen a few with centrifugal superchargers too.

[@SolveFixBuild]

@@NBSV1 wow that would be an incredible experience driving one. Probably 600-ish hp.

[@80GP400]

Great Video, Fun Times.

[@RandyJM21]

Its great as it is . Modern Cobra + Daily Commutor car in one . I like that its overbuilt where it should be and underbuilt where it should be , meaning the engine is a stock LS that is good for 200k even getting on it some , moving such a light car. However . Its quite obvious that some type of wide body or flairs and some wider tires at least out back would pay some dividends . Its fine as is but any extra traction at low speeds would return a good amount of shove . The 1/2 shafts are supposedly super stout and its not like its gonna dead hook with slightly wider tires , your still gonna be spinning the tires if you want but you will go faster outta the hole and reduce wheel spin at 100 mph at full throttle . The Porsche beating it is not at all surprising . That Porsche is like the best car to bring to a drag race here as far as surface and altitude . That Porsche is a problem for many NA RWD MT cars regardless of power or price on this runway . Miata is certainly more exciting and way less expensive . But yeah , it would be even sicker with wider tire with the stickiest compound .

[@davidholcomb9961]

That car is wild!

[@justinstiff5641]

Naturally aspirated squirrel 🐿️🐿️🐿️🐿️ hahaha 🤣

[@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus]

I'm surprised the Miata wasn't quicker, I've done 13.45 in a 97 turbo Miata, and I had to turn the boost down as I got it dialed, because the local track didn't allow a convertible under 13.5.

[@markmiller6751]

Did you have a roll bar or cage as the little boys around here say.

[@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus]

@@markmiller6751 No.

[@dtruth5769]

I own a Miata. And love it. Even with the V8, you can't compare it to having a Cobra SC. Imo

[@chrism869]

that v8 miata is something else

[@dannyphamous]

Really fun and amazing review!

[@chandleredwards]

Sweet modern version of a Shelby. Maybe find a Miata EV AWD conversion to compare. This Miata looks to be a blast to drive.

[@DearSX]

Love it, amazing combo!

[@imma3knee]

I feel like the last time I saw I think his name was Tanner from flyin miata, talking about their ls swap nd miata, he had the exact same fashion sense as the guy who built this car.

[@williampenturf3876]

I have a 73 914 with a ls7 that street legal.

[@brycerush98]

Dual clutch did the Miata in, but that thing is insanely fast

[@BigAl22]

Love when you guys do modded stuff!! That's when the Toyotas especially get really fun 😎😎

[@NycXTool]

That PDK gearbox in the Porsche!

[@sombut415]

That’s hella krazy! So badazz!

[@jeffreybalandra8891]

Now that’s a nice little fun car to drift

[@mikedownload4029]

I wonder if they have an option to drop in an LS7 instead. 🤔

[@PsgamingliveMistaT]

I have a V8 swap miata in gt7 also, Monster of a car.

[@michelleandscotthull-cunni1460]

You guys should drive my LS powered Miata.. I think it'll be even quicker..

[@TevinWeatherspoon]

The automatic mustang would've had a better chance but that miata is insane!!!!!

[@JeanClaudeJrLefebvreXL]

Needed to have the top down on the 911, I bet the Miata would have been closer or in front. Never underestimate the power of aerodynamics.

[@rogerj412]

People have been stuffing V8's in Miatas since the NA was brought to the US. It's still a hell of car though.

[@Space_cowboy000]

I wish miata was available in my country

[@HioSSilver1999]

Cammed ls3 should make more than 436whp. They can make more than that with bolt ons. We ran 11.5@120 with a full weight 5gen camaro and just bolt on ls3.

[@jeffcain3]

436 to the wheels, closer to 500 at the engine.

[@HioSSilver1999]

@@jeffcain3 that's just it. We've made 470whp 470wtq with the stock cam in a ls3. A cammed one should make 500whp. We did a h/c ls3 and made 560whp.