Do I Regret Buying My Brand New Jeep Wrangler After Living With The New Ford Bronco For a Week?

[@puregsr]

I really didn't expect you to become such am amazing car presenter from those awkward early videos. I can really tell the amount of work and dedication you've committed. You're an inspiration for all of us.

[@mattwilcox8134]

That’s actually a good point. I forgot about his early vids. Definitely has improved a lot

[@Kamath.venkat]

You set yourself low standards man

[@stevesullivan9752]

Little less hand waving, gesturing... plus, much of this reminded me of a woman complaining. The seat comparison was unbearable, lol.

[@colingraham9379]

@@stevesullivan9752 Ugh. Everyone's a critic... You're obviously a short one too

[@TFLoffroad]

Thanks for the kind words! Much appreciated! -Tommy

[@2011blueman]

I'm a fanboy and Tommy is 100% correct that the MIC top is Ford's fault. Blaming the supplier is idiotic. It's the Ford Bronco, they're responsible for every component, period.

[@khakiswag]

I agree in part. But that top is one of the reasons why the Bronco has been delayed so long. Ford isn’t pleased with the quality either but so many people had put down money and waited so long they had to deliver. Hopefully Ford does the right thing by owners by replacing the bad ones with the revised better quality replacements.

[@2011blueman]

@@khakiswag That's on Ford, they chose the supplier and set the time tables. When launching a new vehicle you need to have your suppliers running at full speed months before the beginning of building in order to troubleshoot. That's especially true for the Bronco where over over two thirds of orders are with hardtops. They've known roughly how many hardtops and other components they'd need since the build&price tool came out and they could see what most people were building. I have a build date supposedly in a couple weeks (it's already been moved before), and I'll be livid if the hard top is as bad as some I've seen on the forums when we've waited this long. I won't be blaming their supplier, I'll be blaming Ford.

[@rebelcitysports1outlook186]

@@2011blueman Tell that to the Toyota fanboys that still blame Dana to this day for the rotted frame issues.

[@2011blueman]

@@rebelcitysports1outlook186 Why would I care about or even talk to Toyota fanboys ;)

[@markjacobson1285]

The fix here is the Toyota 4 Runner...

[@aldo90731]

Your video going up in your Willys to recover the stranded Defender showcases what a basic Jeep Wrangler with a rear LSD can do. These days we tend to get hung up on all sorts of trivial, irrelevant discussions. At the end of the day, that video shows what off-roading is all about.

[@dbegley990]

it's NOT a willy's just cause he painted it on the hood. It's a Wrangler, which isn't a bad thing.

[@gmjsomeone54]

@@dbegley990 it's the willys "trim".... "he" didn't paint that on the hood, Jeep did. It's a wrangler willys.

[@AHungryHunky]

@@dbegley990 The Willys trim is the basic off-road package from Jeep for the Wrangler. It's basically a sport Wrangler with off-road tires and a few other upgrades I can't remember at the moment, for people that don't need everything the Rubicon offers. Personally I like the Willys trim better than most of the others on appearance alone, from the gloss black grill to the unique 4 wheel drive decal on the back, and the Willys sticker on the hood that both acknowledges Jeeps heritage and sets it apart from the other trims.

[@exordis]

@@AHungryHunky I believe it comes with the following: Heavy duty brakes. Rubicon springs. Rubicon shocks. Limited slip rear. Rock guards on the Rocker Panels. Mud Terrain tires instead of All Terrains. (edited for rocker panels)

[@smudge1619]

@@dbegley990 What an obtuse, ignorant comment. What is it then, genius?

[@makesy-5327]

I 100% agree that the whole “it’s a 4wd” excuse is getting very old when it comes to manufacturers cheaping out on interior quality etc - these are very expensive vehicles now not budget off roaders, and the quality across the board should reflect that

[@STP420D]

Exactly my thoughts. Totally agree.

[@ildr2010]

100%

[@eddiechea3603]

I agreed with you, doesn’t even feel like these manufacturers are trying when it comes to the interiors of these very expensive vehicles. As a of a 2020 wrangler Sahara I’m very disappointed in the interior of my rig.

[@shepleonard8695]

It's a 4x4 not a luxury car. Minimalism is exactly what they should have. Don't need a GPS or LDS, or TSP etc.... Drove for 20+ years without any of those. If you want comfort and luxury don't buy a 4x4.

[@eddiechea3603]

@@shepleonard8695 it’s not impossible to have both. There’s nothing wrong with wanting both. If the manufacturer can up the price of the vehicle whenever they want, then we as customers have the right to demand more from the manufacturer. This excuse that it’s an off roader so it’s shouldn’t be comfortable is nonsense in my opinion. But, it’s just my opinion.

[@jakes5530]

Let’s be honest, without even watching this video, I know for a fact (based on your previous videos in this series) that your $35k willys wrangler is just as capable as the $63k bronco. That’s a massive win in my book… no regrets!

[@davidquisenberry6370]

Yes but the $32k Bronco is also just as capable as the Willys.

[@bw2921]

@@davidquisenberry6370 Exactly there are so many options with Bronco/Jeep you can't really say one is more of a "deal".... 2 door Willys vs 2 door Black Diamond would be a fun comparison both around $36k

[@ZoneOne2150]

@@bw2921 true but the Bronco looks bad ass and once they start modding them …will look even more bad ass. The jeep looks dated asf.

[@qwoozy]

The lack of lockers on this Jeep really knocks it down into a lower capability tier vs the bronco. Add in the lockers and all the options that come with the Rubicon package and there's going to be far less of a price disparity, while capability will be much closer (though arguably tilted in Jeeps favor) I'm not a Jeep fan, but I would expect a Rubicon to be somewhat more capable due to the live front axle.

[@CJLane-62]

I'll Stik to my TJ's,and a 4.0-4.7 Stroker! Not as many Electronics to Fail on ya out in the Middle of Nowhere!

[@silverfox__12]

This is one of the best written/edited TFl videos I have seen. Great job Tommy and Crew!

[@hcmalibu72]

x2!!!

[@user-vl8sh7ih8c]

Wrong! This video was ill conceived and fundamentally flawed.

[@Jarvisdell]

@@user-vl8sh7ih8c Why do you say that? Honest question.

[@fecardona]

Kudos to Tommy for having been financially responsible when he assessed what he could afford, and then combining it with what he wanted. Not many people do this. Also congrats on doing this investment solo at your age, you have character and rationality.

[@Scorix]

A new car is not an investment(most of the time), but still congrats to him

[@tjc20]

I came here to say the same thing.

[@tumbleweed1976]

I enjoy cars and other shiny objects but I enjoy my retirement savings most 🎈

[@bobspurloc]

seems more like his father needs to give the boy a raise. "all he can afford??" saved up for years? he and his father have vast car knowledge there is no reason why the boy needed a new car. he could have easily bought a used reliable vehicle. the all he can afford angle is an exaggeration

[@bigslacker666]

We don't know if he bought cash, financed, how much, what APR, what the rest of his finances look like, etc. Not that I care, I'm a car guy and have made many, many financially irresponsible purchased in the name of automotive fun. Just saying there is no data to support a position one way or the other.

[@MrJamesLuz]

The Jeep Wrangler hasn’t had serious competition in years. I’m excited for this off-road arms race!!

[@robsolf]

Anything that forces competition on the dealer lot is welcome, to me!

[@hippiebits2071]

@@robsolf Hopefully the Bronco will be able to prove itself in the reliability arena as well. It seems Jeep has some issues in the quality control dept. Would love nothing more than to see Jeep motivated to pull things together.

[@tylermarlett4969]

@Ip Man I mean offering standard 35s and lockingg diffs and sway bar disconnect on an ENTRY level bronco blows me away. Thats insane and really smart on fords part. Still sticking with mopar though 😉

[@donkeymarco]

@@tylermarlett4969 It depends on marketing departments, for example in Europe the Wrangler Rubicon and Sahara have the same base price. It is the choice of marketing departments to put together the packages, sometimes they include too much options that, at least from an off-road point of view, are not useful, but only increase the price .

[@uppastdawn7627]

They have had serious competition. Anything else on 4 wheels...or legs would handle better, be more comfortable, and have better options.

[@TheJLAMAR23]

This guys break downs are phenomenal. Literally addresses practically everything and is genuine in his response.

[@henrirobbins3029]

Great video with some fantastic points. I gotta say though, the bad roof on the Bronco would be an absolute dealbreaker even if the rest of the car were amazing -- a leaky roof is quite literally the last thing I want on the car, and if it's already having issues after only a week then I can't possibly imagine it holding up in the long-term. Really hoping they get it sorted out so that we finally see some more variety on the trails.

[@ronthoman7138]

2 Doors! Light, Short, Nimble, and True to the Jeeps original build specs. Very Cool Rig! Enjoy!

[@garbinator09]

Makes this 66 year old man wanna get a simple Willy’s modern steed to putt-putt around town meandering up into the hills dirt roads an such here in my county. Moderate fun off roading is all I desire.

[@jirizarry2001]

I'm with you Tommy. I will always choose simplicity on an off-road vehicle.

[@aldo90731]

I agree with your comments on Ford and Webasto. There’s a reason Ford stamps its logo on the hood, not Webasto’s. By blaming the supplier Ford is only trying to deflect responsibility.

[@SmashTheNumbers]

I am really not seeing were anybody is doing this. Perhaps some "insider" talk that the general public does not know about? This seems a bit straw man to me.

[@gregculverwell]

No, this is Ford's latest game. There was a recent lemon law case where Ford claimed that the complainant had sued the wrong company - they should have sued the component manufacturer. The judge laughed them out of court.

[@dbegley990]

Ford had to delay production release due to the tops. The tops they are shipping now, aren't the tops they designed and as I understand it, it will be dealt with in warranty. They know about it and are fixing it. First year jitters.

[@gregculverwell]

@@dbegley990 yeah that's what they said when they sold cars with the failomatic dual clutch transmission. But they never did fix it did they? Instead service agents were told to tell me customers they were hallucinating or suggest that lurching was a standard feature or that the customer had a unique problem.

[@ismaelcarrillo3956]

Now you know what Jeep has a crossbar.

[@michaeljordan6090]

I had a Bronco Badlands on order after 2 years , I gave up and bought a Jeep Gladiator Mohave, I absolutely love it, drives great on the highway and on the beat up, bumpy roads we have in Maine, it handles them like a dream

[@jcfindley380]

Thanks for the great video. I was a Bronco guy before becoming a Jeep guy. The air vents for the back or lack there of is a huge deal. For that matter, the circular vents and combined with the AC in the Jeep as a whole make it the best AC I have ever had in ANY vehicle. Yeah, I built mine to offroad but in Texas, AC matters, kind of a lot.

[@scrambler350]

I remember the 'Car Wizard' saying he sold his Wrangler because of how bad the back seat Air Conditioning was, "...my children were LITERALLY roasting in the back seat..." uhhh, ok dude. Either your kids are some little porkers or you needed to service the A/C system - because I'm down on the Texas coast and my Mom's 2017 Sahara cools off just fine on a hot day.

[@cpkay33]

agreed. I had a 2dr jk that didn’t have the vents and summers were terrible for my pup. had to leave the back glass up which warped the seal and caused leaks. then I had a wrx with the under seat vents like the ford and did NOTHING. now have a JL but it seems the back vents only work well with top air and no floor combo. My dads explorer has vents in the trunk too which is amazing, but I can only drive manual so hopefully the JL vents will help in summer.

[@BryantBaudelaire]

Same. I owned a 4Runner before driving a Jeep and I was on the market for a Bronco. Once I drove the jeep it was over for the bronco!

[@thrash208]

I live in upper Canada and i agree the Jeeps A/C system is superb. Sometimes in the dead of winter the jeep gets too hot and i need to turn it down and crack a window.

[@Willthethrill478]

Yep, Jeep has the best heat and AC. Now if only they could fix the stupid evap leak issues that every jeep eventually geta

[@clayrhye3701]

As a Jeep 2.0T owner, I felt that comment in my soul. My Jeep sounds like a typewriter that was possessed by the devil on cold startups. Once it warms up it's fairly quiet, but the sound is hard to explain, reminds me of a weed eater. Lol. It took some getting used to. With that said, we are thrilled with it's performance, it really does a great job coupled with the 8 speed on 37s.

[@MatthewTafoya]

Performance is what really matters. the na v6 is lethargic in high elevations. glad we have choices now. I did the muffler delete to update the sound which actually sounds better... just another Jeep modification :-)

[@Stuka87]

That sound is mostly the direct injection. And its common for pretty much every direct injected turbo engine on a cold start.

[@Batmanduhh]

How the mpgs?

[@number1heatrocka287]

My 2.0 reminds me of an old sewing machine my grandma has when I was a kid, 20 mpg and plenty of power though 👍

[@LaraMauk]

@@Batmanduhh Mine regularly says 24-25 mpg. Haven’t actually done the calculations tho.

[@BrettDangerfield]

I was driving hwy93 last Friday and got excited to see a new Bronco drive by, then I saw the TFL sticker and realized it was this bronco and was pretty excited to drive past you!

[@DUNEATV]

Tommy really is great at this! Love his personality and his delivery of information.

[@TKrause5]

I have the same 2021 Willys edition with the 2.0 and live in CO and Love it. Super capable off road right off the dealership floor and it is a joy to drive on the road. Coming from a TJ to an LJ it’s amazing to see the evolution of the Jeep. It stays true to the Jeep name while brining it into the 21st century. Tomas let’s go for a ride in CO!

[@XvFenixvX]

Ive been on the fence about selling my 97 Wrangler. Logically I could use the money since the damn things hold their value so well (just broke 101k on mine) but I think I would miss it too much. There arent many 4.0l manuals with that kind of mileage around here still in good shape. Even my wife gives me sass everytime I mention selling it, this is the same lady that rolled her eyes when she first saw me pull in with it.

[@thrash208]

Man 97 and only 101k?! Thats crazy mines 2014 and it has 130k. I dont think i could sell a 97 with only 100k😅

[@XvFenixvX]

@Thrash yeah that engines barely broken in. The body is in great shape and the first thing I did when I bought it was have a good welder deal with any rust on the frame. The only thing left to do to it is have the transmission rebuilt at some point since the 2nd and 3rd gear synchros are worn but I've gotten used to working around it (have to get the revs just right while shifting and double clutching helps). The kids love to head to the beach in it with the top down in the summer

[@johngrodski4158]

An honest review, throwing in some personal quirks that make the Jeep the top choice for Tommy. A little friendly competition is fun, even necessary for evolution. Each vehicle has its plusses and minuses, but it's all up to the individual. Personally, I think you did well with the Jeep!

[@TFLoffroad]

Thank you sir! -Tommy

[@khakiswag]

Ford seems to have built a excellent off road vehicle with decent daily livability. It can be a good daily driver and still be able to play hard on the weekends.

[@wint_62]

It’s a pos like all of their other vehicles.

[@Jrob992]

@@wint_62 I own a TJ crawler build and a Comanche and am currently daily driving my dads 2018 JL Rubicon because my ram and Comanche are both broke down so let’s just say after sitting in one and watching them get beat the piss out of at the silver lake dunes I won’t be canceling my bronco pre order anytime soon.

[@Jack-yw7bq]

@@wint_62 no, the bronco comes with goat mode (goes over any terrain) with 5 drive modes: sand, slippery, sport, eco and normal

[@hotrod7603]

@@wint_62 if ford is pos , Then other companies must be Crowshît acc to your logic, probably the Fiat junk Kreep lol

[@camooo101]

@@hotrod7603 🤣🤣

[@thedadpluskidsproject7781]

Does this even count?!? He can drive the bronco any time he wants, his father owns TFL. He gets to drive the bronco daily without the payment. Congrats tommy best of both worlds.

[@Fatbastid]

From a satiric point of view your comment is funny. On the other hand they do off-road vehicles review. So it great that they can do a side by side comparison. Even though Tommy is a little bit bias towards the wrangler.

[@Fatbastid]

@KAG Bro what is it with you? You have an issue that he has good relationship with his daddy? Do you have daddy issues or something? Did you even watch the video till the end?

[@hippiebits2071]

@KAG That is not any different from a regular person who is self employed, uses their vehicle for business and claims the depreciation. YOU could invest in becoming one of those people if you would like.

[@jamespaul2587]

TFL buys and sells vehicles frequently. They may not have the Bronco for long after finishing their reviews and other videos

[@ismaelcarrillo3956]

@@jamespaul2587 yup. Just like the Tesla M3

[@muckraker610]

First off, you guys ROCK! Your articulate, unbiased, detailed road tests are much appreciated by the O/R community. As for the Wrangler; They check all of my O/R boxes. You will love yours. It's iconic good looks, off-road capabilities, and strong community, are things that even the resuscitated Bronco, can never duplicate. You made the right choice. 👍

[@anoxi2270]

Love the reviewer very cut and dry he did his research and helped us understand

[@Followthelemming]

Nice work Tommy. Please do this review again after 12 months for true 4 seasons comparison including costs and repairs. Thank you!

[@daviddavis5149]

Good job Tommy. Thought you did a really good job of managing the “i bought this so I must talk it up” bias most people fall victim to. Agree with the points you made. As you admitted, some are specific to your current lifestyle. For example, even though not best for tight trails, bet that many families with children will like the larger interior of the Bronco. Good point on the simplicity and dependability of naturally aspirated engines. The 3.6, especially with the 8 speed auto, is not exciting but it is long-term proven, quite capable and very reliable. May be the 2.7 is super reliable too, I don’t know it as well. I would bet on a naturally aspirated making it to high miles more often. Actually really like the Bronco. Great looking, real capability off road and but I’ll wait for Ford to benefit from real life testing by the public with time to get the issues sorted and redesigns implemented (surely they can easily add rear ac vents?) . Maybe add one to the fleet in 2023. Probably have both a Bronco while keeping the Jeep. Options are good.

[@buickratrod]

I have a Jeep Rubicon and I plan to do the same as you I'm going to have a Bronco and a Jeep

[@backcountrybananaboy]

The 2.7 has been the most reliable ecoboost engine in the f150 so far, hopefully it does well in the Bronco.

[@crittendon1000]

Excellent job Tommy. I think it’s becoming more clear with each video that there are enough differences between the two to say that they are not interchangeable. They have different strengths and weaknesses.

[@HiroNguy]

Yes! These are now very, very different vehicles appealing to totally different sensibilities. My bud's '73 Bronco on the other hand is much like a '73 Jeep in purpose, style, and features.

[@charlesknight5140]

Agreed.

[@toddrobertson1398]

Competition is good but I believe 10 years from now the bronco will be forgotten and Jeep’s will still be flying off the lot. It’s iconic.

[@matthieuvilleneuve9101]

I completely agree with you about simplicity. I own a 2001 Ford f150 xl (my first vehicle ever) and I love how simple it is to operate (and fix). Manual windows, manual lockers, am/fm radio only... and you can't beat the sound of that 5.4L V8 triton. Simply splendid! I think car manufacturers nowadays have simply gone crazy with tech. It's like you don't drive the car anymore, the car drives you.

[@FreakyT333]

I’m just having a great time seeing a rig out that competes directly and pretty evenly to the Wrangler, very few if any can step up to that plate. The Bronco is what Jeep fans needed and what Ford fans wanted, something for everyone. Great talk Tommy.

[@kelvinhill9874]

I would like the Bronco equivalent to Tommy’s Willys Sport Jeep. So pretty much a base model Bronco. I’m not into rock crawling or anything like that, so a standard Bronco with locking diffs fitted would do everything I want and more.

[@worldwearyposer]

so...black diamond or basesaquatch.

[@maduross]

Same I want a 2 door low spec with the Sasquatch package

[@mct8888]

why would you want locking diffs if you aren't going to be rock crawling or anything like that?

[@kelvinhill9874]

@@mct8888 you’ve never heard of mud, sand or clay?

[@mct8888]

@@kelvinhill9874 fits into the "anything like that" category for me.

[@SmashTheNumbers]

I have a 2-door Base Manual Bronco with 30" tires on steel wheels that I got for $30,555 (including delivery, plus tax, wheel locks and door guards). We need to do an apples-to-apples comparison, Tommy! I am in SE Michigan. If you are coming here for something else, let me know. I look at the the MIC hardtop like getting base countertops in a new house. I can close on the mortgage, wait a little while, then upgrade the counters easily. Even easier with the Bronco. The sound deadening portion was "free" to us and works reasonably well on the highway, but the fit and finish is certainly not perfect. My under $31K Bronco roof seems better than that First Edition though.

[@DylanVBWRX]

Watched your video and I will say that touch screen and apple car play alone is a value for sure.

[@ezacher4634]

That Jeep would destroy it.

[@SmashTheNumbers]

@@ezacher4634 In what way? Please be specific.

[@jeffforbes70]

@@SmashTheNumbers if you didn't oder the rear locker.and i think the stock wheel are 30inch

[@DylanVBWRX]

@@SmashTheNumbers I think off-road this jeep vs your bronco the jeep would do a little better since it has a LSD and off-road tires, but the amenities and on road driving are much better in the bronco

[@ScottB0107]

Rented a 2021 Wrangler Sport for vacation this past July and fell in LOVE with the head unit. It is gorgeous and yes, "It just works"!

[@shaungoswell1040]

Great overview Tommy, I always end up rethinking "do I really need that "? After watching your reviews . You have great perspective on things and it is refreshing to watch. Always a great job. Thanks again.

[@-redtango]

Please make a slipping test video with your Jeep so we can see how good the rear limited slip diff is

[@thedirtbag7]

I second this. I have the 4dr willys JL with the limited slip and my option is this: It works great in the mud/ slippery parts. I would prefer to have a locker on larger rocks although I've never been stuck, yet..

[@GP80888]

He did. Check out the defender recovery video.

[@jackrotter9434]

Once you disconnect the front sway bar, the times you'll even need a locker or limited slip become rare. The amount of grip and dig you get from that front freed up axle is night and day.

[@-redtango]

@@GP80888 I saw it.. I meant the slipping test on the rollers like they do for crossovers

[@thedirtbag7]

@@jackrotter9434 yep! That's going to be my first mod: quick disconnect end links.

[@JakeNBake0021]

Gladiator owner, I’m super excited about the Bronco even if it simply applies pressure on Jeep to keep innovating and have competitive pricing. Excellent review!

[@KTMcaptain]

Same. As a JTR owner I’m not at all regretting it vs a Ranger. But I like the Bronco less and less. My wife has a cx5 with great steering and people make the Bronco sound better than it. I’ve done so many road trips in my JTR, more miles than actual commuting to my job, and I don’t find the comfortability in the steering or seats problematic at all. Neither does my wife. Just spend all day in the car Sunday and Monday driving to San Diego, around, and back without any issue. Going to the drive in tonight with it. Could the steering be tighter? Sure, but it drives straight and requires minimal correction. I’d rather have it than an IFS setup that’s far more prone to bad alignment from off roading like my Tacoma had. It drove far worse often enough because of bad alignment.

[@hippiebits2071]

Yeah, and it would be nice if Toyota would either improve the offroad focus of the 4Runner a bit or bring back the FJ Cruiser to the US as a response. I see the Bronco as a big win for 4x4 enthusiasts as a whole.

[@hotrod7603]

@@hippiebits2071 who cares about ToyJunk??

[@JakeNBake0021]

@@hippiebits2071 I was thinking the same thing. Personally I find FJ’s to be super ugly, but many people say the same about the JT/JL.

[@cmcnick1]

Never regret buying what you can afford.

[@navykeef]

Underrated comment! That should be the first and last thing anybody should consider.

[@tim3172]

I think the supposition would be that he would have bought a base or Big Bend variant for a similar cost to his Wrangler. Not literally "do I regret buying this 32k vehicle instead of this 63k vehicle?'

[@davidmccarthy6061]

No car payments is the way to go! But it's a Jeep so he will need to set aside some money monthly to keep it running.

[@got_to_roll]

Good and fair review. One guy's opinion; Tommy is my favorite presenter on TFL. Knowledgeable, thorough, sincere, humble and entirely likeable.

[@Baasicstuff]

interest rates are so LOW, most people see the monthly payment only. We could sell cars for 100k as long as the monthly payment is affordable. We have so few like yourself that are smart enough to look at the over all cost. My Focus ST and Honda Pilot are both getting new Bilstein B6 Shocks and a good fixing on all components that are worn. Really makes sense now to take care of what you have, The Honda now handles like a BMW, for the life of me I dont even know how I survived this long on stock shocks and struts.

[@mpsangha]

Tommy, you got a manual? That's awesome! Lots of guys our age these days don't know how to drive one, take pride in that and enjoy your JL.

[@hippiebits2071]

I give considerable credit to manufacturers who still bother to offer manuals. Really wish they were available on more vehicles!

[@bindingcurve]

@@hippiebits2071 No one buys them. Do you actually drive a manual car? Hint, I have 2.

[@KTMcaptain]

Everyone I know knows how to drive a manual. I think it’s the 70-80s kids that don’t know how since they were raised in the auto revolution era and were the dominant market for what killed the manual. Kids born late 80s on are self determined and hipsterish. . Though I will say the Jeep 8 speed is amazing and it’s my first ever auto I’ve bought for myself. It’s definitely a better vehicle with it. Maybe not as engaging, but more capable.

[@hippiebits2071]

@@bindingcurve Yes, I do and I've bought a manual every time I have had the option so...8-9 vehicles. Everything I've owned aside from the 4Runners

[@bindingcurve]

@@hippiebits2071 same, but the wife could not drive them, so couple without. But when I had to drive in Chicago rush hour traffic the auto was nice. But the simple fact is that the vast majority will not drive manual in the US. So, there you are.

[@stevetabor4447]

Great review tommy I would take the 2door Jeep over the bronco I just don’t see the bronco lasting very long friend of mine has a 2012 2 door sport with 204,000 miles on it with no engine problems at all good stuff tommy 👍👍👍👍👍

[@jwat2396]

I don't regret and will never regret owning a jeep and not a "bronco". I love my 2 DOOR WRANGLER RUBICON. I fell in love with off road vehicles when I got to ride in a bronco in the 70s. I felt and still do I made a step up in a jeep instead of a bronco when I got my first jeep. We had a blast in it and it just kept me wanting another one and I got it. You like bronc's, great, Enjoy it. I'll enjoy my jeep and we'll both have fun.

[@thunderroad7289]

Lmao you can keep those ugly ass jeeps

[@scrambler350]

@ 0:55 -- this is my thoughts exactly on buying a new vehicle in general. The sticker shock is REAL. Exactly why I keep my 2010 Hyundai hatchback to commute back and forth to my shop, drive my work van all day, then drive home to a 2002 Silverado Regular Cab 5.3l that gets driven weekends and holidays only. I reckon I'm beating the system by keeping and caring for my old vehicles. I considered consolidating down to ONE vehicle when my Mom traded-in her Tahoe in 2017 for a Wrangler Sahara - considered getting my own Jeep (a 2dr Rubicon), but....like you....that +40k price tag snapped me back into reality.

[@dennisthompson7707]

I'm a Ford guy that drives a 98 Jeep TJ, I have been waiting for the Bronco like most everyone else but I think you made the right decision with your your Wrangler. I like the two door, soft top and the smaller size. Keep up the good videos.

[@michaelsyoutubechannel5857]

"def leppard playing out of one broken speaker on the sports bar" lol.. doesn't get any better than that!

[@petemiller519]

Hey, that sounds like my Jeep. I miss my old Jeep...'74 CJ5 with a 304 V8 and dual side pipes. Wish I never sold it.

[@landscapingspecialist]

Legend

[@gavin4ford]

LoL that's funny.

[@DUNEATV]

The Jeep JL is an amazing vehicle. Crazy to buy a first year Bronco...

[@wranglerlife4ever42]

My thoughts exactly. Maybe in 3 years FORD will have the kinks worked out and recalls/service bulletins completed on various issues. Just hoping JEEP continues to evolve the Wrangler JL and future Wrangler models

[@FJUH]

Crazy to buy a first year anything or even a new car. Better to buy used!

[@FirebrewTV]

@@FJUH I agree, never buy the first year. At the rate they are going with production, you will have to wait at least 5 years to get a pipeline of used models that are not first year production.

[@danotto8970]

I had a Bronco growing up, had a H3 and now a Jeep. Love the solid axles and 2012 and newer has been such an improvement in Jeep quality compared to the some years prior. Competition should only help. Love the videos out on the trails.

[@gospfunk]

I never thought I would consider a Wrangler, but this video has successfully changed my mind.

[@IronWolfOverland]

In 2008, I traded in my 2006 TJ for a 2008 Hummer H3 Alpha. After watching a LOT of reviews on new Wranglers and the new Bronco - I’m keeping my H3.

[@williamnewman2959]

I have your Jeep in a 4 door version. I love it! Simplicity is the best for reliability I agree! Tommy you are spot on! Plus the Jeep’s heritage is so much better!

[@JustinKingOffroad]

as a 4 cyl 2.0 turbo owner... it basically sounds like a vacuum haha!

[@markv78]

Be great see them test a r Dr 4 cy turbo none hybrid

[@terryarnold6630]

The front suspension is something I am now more interested in researching after watching this video. I have been researching the sway bar disconnect on the new Badlands Bronco and was wondering if the Jeep had that option, but appears to have a whole different set up that may be superior in off road situations. Sounds like the Jeep could have better crawling capabilities, but is not as good for bombing desert trails. having ridden in alot of XJ's over the years I can see your jeep has that simple, solid, and quality vibe I know so well.

[@nate9626]

For bombing the dunes a bronco would definitely be better but for more technical or anything require crawling, lots of articulation etc the wrangler will do better

[@FierceMotorworks]

The Jeep also has a TON of aftermarket options for making up any difference in engine performance. Turbo and supercharger kits are established and bolt-on. For the money, the Jeep is ridiculously close to the Bronco that's almost double the price... Jeep still has great value for price

[@briankenny6822]

It’s not under warranty then.

[@briankenny6822]

I just bought a base model Sasquatch package for 44,000 and it comes with front and rear lockers and 35’s and beadlock wheels. The rubicon I looked at was 49,000 but they marker it up to 58,000. The rubicon is the only one with lockers and Dana 44 axles.

[@bldlightpainting]

I love my 2019 Jeep Wrangler two-door hardtop Rubicon in firecracker red. I have lifted it with larger tires and wheels, new steel bumpers, steel inner and outer fenders, off-road lights, onboard air compressor, aftermarket steering components, etc. While the steering is not great, and was worse when I first bought it, and it has the predictable corks that come along with this extreme off-road vehicle, it fits the requirements I need for navigating the steep winding narrow rutted trails of the Oregon mountains near my home.

[@Purdue03b]

"7in of length is a problem" THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!!!

[@jeffbarringer9555]

I bought my first Wrangler because it fit in my garage. House was built inn1988. Cars were a lot smaller then. The glue is leaking everywhere out of this rubber are. THATS WHAT SHE SAID.

[@walkaboutmotors]

Again, you’re the reason I watch this channel! Great review, realistic, practical and clearly your experience driving 4x4’s shows. Well done Tommy’!!! I really like what Ford has done with the Bronco to really give the marketplace a true competitor to the Wrangler. That said, I love how you decided what to purchase. I loved your Jeep!

[@rondail5675]

Good, honest, review Tommy .

[@seanstack180]

I appreciate the honest review. I no longer want either of these vehicles lol

[@tonymartinez5798]

Why is that, if I May ask?

[@kencoleman8929]

I totally agree you made the right choice ... from no car payment to practicality and simplicity. You've shown a lot of wisdom in not getting on the hype train, great video too! Wishing you many happy, healthy, trouble-free miles.

[@roguedogx]

6:20 also, anyone who has done time at an automotive supplier knows how strict quality control can be. If that part is a "from the factory" part, it falls under that umbrella, and is subject to the same scrutiny. Meaning, it was ford who really dropped the ball letting that part through.

[@roguedogx]

I honestly wouldn't get either of them, I'm more of a hot hatch kind of guy. But, if I had to pick, I'd go jeep. The ford is nice, but it's not as sorted as the jeep.

[@AndrewAMartin]

strict*

[@roguedogx]

@@AndrewAMartin fixed.

[@obrianmcc]

"Desert Does It" seat risers make a huge difference .... but I do agree that from the OEM the seats should have more adjustment for taller people

[@johngiarratano8826]

Great stuff from Desert Does It

[@mikelaughlin270]

Great review and comparison Tommy! Thank you for being honest and calling out Ford for all the cheap garbage components that Ford uses!

[@jonathanfreeman7761]

In 11 months since this was posted the wait for a bronco is over a year now I’m now ordering a Jeep on Monday

[@beaglelife]

I had reserved a Bronco two door but with all the price changes and production delays and a bad conversation with the dealer I said enough and bought a two door Wrangler in June . Like you I have no regrets, love it!

[@ChrisN06999]

"...well they're glow worms wearing sunglasses." Tommy, August 2021.

[@anthonyc1883]

I thought at first he was referring to Roman's eyes. OK, I keed, I keed!

[@XJ_is_gone]

Tell me about it. I am driving an xj.

[@Stuka87]

my '08 JK headlights made it almost undrivable at night. My '17 has factory LEDs, and MAN what a difference!

[@nothingtoseaheardammit]

FWIW I read that Ford has found an alternate chip supplier and are expecting to be 100% caught up on production by EOY 2021 or early 2022. Hold on Bronco fans.

[@GarretSterling]

I thought the biggest constraint was and still is the hardtop. While chips weren't the issue, especially if they were using the f150 chips for the Broncos.

[@Johnnyscarcarereviews]

Also current chip supplier said issues are over

[@Stuka87]

The tops delayed the release, chips would have just slowed production a bit.

[@GDunc]

Their chip supplier should be running at the same capacity in a couple of weeks as before the fire.

[@thoughtloop1737]

I have a sport s gladiator and yes, the basic 5 inch screen is the best. The only thing it's missing is a front camera but it functions perfectly.

[@dougknight1720]

I’ve been a Land Rover fan for many years and have just bought my first Wrangler. So far very impressed.

[@ericwimmer6169]

Tommy I like your videos. In this video you complemented the Jeep’s simplicity and how it just works but you all always hammer the 4runner for being simple and not going more modern. When most everyone would agree that is a reason you can’t beat the 4runner on reliability

[@Jeytthebrawler]

I would like to see an apples to apples with a 2 door bronco and Tommys Willys

[@rhanby1]

Have a 2011 Rubicon, never looked back! Great video, thx!

[@jasonreed7642]

I love the interior of the Bronco and have the sasquatch package, smooth as silk. Not disappointed at all with the 2021 Bronco.

[@johns7942]

How’s the wind noise on the highway? I’m in the process of getting one but am deciding between the bronco and the Ford maverick.

[@L3GHO5T]

The 2 door jeep is way more fun then the 4 door and so much more capable off road. I have a 2017 supercharged wrangler Unlimited with 8 inch lift, 40” tires, bigger axle, drive shaft, brakes and 5.13 gearing and it’s fun as all hell. And one has saved my life in a 7x roll over, I have nothing but good things to say about jeeps!

[@OutlawFarmersRC]

Just watched the recovery video of Tommy's Jeep doing the first obstacle with ease comparing to the Ruby and bronco and Defender, plus the footage of those poor Toyotas lol. I would say Tommy did his research well and choose the right vehicle!!!

[@txredkim867]

I think this is a great honest review. I like the Bronco a lot and also love Jeeps! Competition is good for consumers! Keep up the great work.

[@lostking9]

Loved this comparison. I shopped around for two months, trying to get my hands on a Bronco from any dealer that would be willing to sell me one. Their prices were outrageous, and quite frankly, I just thought the Wrangler looked cooler with its consistent classic design. So, I’m now a proud owner of a Rubicon Unlimited. I went with the 4 cylinder because I won’t be doing as much off reading as others, and while I like the mpg’s and it’s pep, I agree that it sounds horrible. But that’s my only negative critique. Happy to be part of the Wrangler family (we wave as we drive past each other! I had no idea.) -Wisconsin Wrangler Owner 😀🤓

[@duckninja9349]

Great review! Enjoyed how you framed things before comparison. I agree with your assessment of the audio / radio system on the JL - simple, effective, and all you want and nothing more.

[@natividadbigtyme]

We love our 2018 JLUR Mojito green Jeep. Done quite well in Ouray, Colorado and Moab, Utah. We have a 2.5” lift with 35’s. In 5 days as a family of four we were in it for 55 hrs and drove 3100 miles. Yes it was small inside but well worth the trip and memories we made in it. I’ll always be a Jeep fan.

[@raybship1]

A 60,000 dollar Jeep Wrangler Rubicon with Aftermarket parts to get to that price would kick the shit out of the Bronco!

[@craigcrowter2796]

Great Job Tommy, your a rising star in the auto press business. Thx for the honest review & great attention to details that many reviewers overlook, or choose not to comment on. This helps our purchase decision between the 2.

[@Kristian_Saile]

Agreed, having watched since this channel started Tommy has grown into one of the best automotive presenters in the biz. Not trying to imitate Top Gear hosts, being his own person with very thoughtful, poignant thoughts and observations. Having been an avid 4wd and overland enthusiast since the early ‘90’s I appreciate his approach to mechanical simplicity and big succumbing to the glitz and glamor of fancy features that in 10 years will be the detriment to 90% of the new vehicles right now. I always have lived utilitarian off-roaders, hell, that’s what everyone’s dream off-roaders basically are right? Great job keeping the focus of what makes an off-roader great.👍

[@pjtalks1988]

Get yourself a pair of “big boy” brackets for the seat of the wrangler can be pushed back more 👍🏼

[@DylanVBWRX]

I've heard that raises the seat. I'm planning on buying those brackets before buying a wrangler jl I'm 6 4

[@pjtalks1988]

@@DylanVBWRX it may slightly, but it allows the seat to go back further. I've seen someone as big as 6'7" use it and love it. In my opinion I didn't see a huge difference when he did it but he said he could definitely feel it. I plan to do it too lol. Wouldn't hurt to do it and I'm 5'11".

[@DylanVBWRX]

@@pjtalks1988 they're not too expensive, so I'll buy it. My lease is up October 2022 and I'm getting a 2022 wranglers Willy's 3.6 manual I like the simplicity and it would do everything I want to do

[@jeffforbes70]

@@DylanVBWRX you will have to have the seat near vertical or lean it further back . i set mine up more vertical so i don't hit my head on the cross bar. i am 6 foot 1 inch for ref

[@AndrewAMartin]

@@pjtalks1988 Which points out another advantage for Jeep (for now): a sizeable aftermarket with lots of various suppliers to make your Jeep exactly what you want. I'm sure Ford and the Bronco will catch up, but that will take time.

[@mikecarlisle3851]

I think your decision was great!!! For long trips u might want to put seat jackers on the front of the seats. That will give u good ham string support. They helped me a lot on my 2019 taco sport. I also have a 2015 two door Wrangler sport, which is my jeep Wrangler # 5 lol!!! Needless to say I love jeeps!!!

[@lavery0365]

No regrets at all, I have the 19 four door Rubicon. Mopar lift, 35s, dual exhaust, cold air intake, and a few other amenities, last amenities to come are a steel bumper, a Warn winch, and foglights.

[@ghost_in_the_city5015]

In my opinion you absolutely nailed it by saying that the Bronco isn't quite there yet or is not yet good enough. That was a big reason why I bought my 2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited a few months ago. I hope Ford will choose to keep the Bronco around for decades to come and improve on their design. I may just buy one in a few years if they hit it out of the park.

[@tims4558]

I have my first Jeep on order. Looking forward to delivery in October (18 week lead time). Sahara in Firecracker Red. I prefer a 2 door, but liked the Sahara's dark saddle interior. I have been passing the time watching and enjoying your videos. I really appreciate your time on them. I am not planning heavy off roading with the Jeep, hence the Sahara. I will daily drive it and we will have it behind the RV. Looking forward to driving the Jeep thru our National Parks with the sky one touch roof open. Keep those videos coming!

[@carmens1996]

sell it before warranty is up! just sunk ten grand into mine in the last 3 months i hate wranglers now and cant wait to get this head ache of a car out of my life!

[@boomer8393]

Thank you for posting the video that needed to be made.

[@LT.BrianM]

Between this video and the 4Runner vs Bronco, the content is phenomenal. I’m curious how limiting, if at all, your Jeep proves to be without locking diffs and all the other off road goodies offered in higher trim JLs. Keep us posted. I’m sure a lift and proper tires will make those lacking features negligible which leads to my feeling that less is more in off roading. All those fancy GOAT modes are great and all, but are they better than a quality rig with off roading know-how? My guess is no.

[@scrambler350]

With the extra 40k he saved he could get custom built Currie 9" diffs with lockers, full suspension lift, and 37" tires.....or go buy a Rubicon to pull his Willys out, lol

[@williammorgan5987]

I’ve recently bought a Mojave gladiator, it was modified before I bought it, lifted, can clear 40s but I’m keeping the “economy” Patagonia 35”s it came with. The more I watch these videos, the more I realize how entirely different of an animal that thing is compared to other things. Now, I test drove that full sized bronco when the dealer near me was lucky enough to get ONE of them. Personally, I’m 6’4” and I felt more cramped in that four door bronco than I did in the 4 door wrangler, and in the gladiator, I felt like it was even more roomy. Manual transmission is a big deal for me too. My one half assed complaint is how tall the gears are, but I quickly realized why that is when I had it in low range with that Mojave transfer case also being tall. In 4 low, everything fits. It’s completely different than any other 4 low I’ve ever been in. It’s almost like a shorter 4hi and not really even a 4 low. I’ll have to look up on TFL if they were compared which I’m sure they were, I’m willing to bet the ratio of the baddest bronco is closer to the rubicon which is ok. For my purposes, Mojave gladiator wins on many levels. Of course it also has the best interior of any of them as well. So that’s a plus, I don’t have to worry about the base stuff the wrangler sports deal with.

[@nwkrohn]

By far one of the best, if not the best, TFL video. Well made and accurately and openly spoken.

[@fernandogarcia7170]

This is a real review, so happy with the value comparison.

[@paulcohen4733]

“On the outside it sounds like a Cuisinart” - What a fantastic quote :D

[@inneedofsupervisionshawn7269]

Ask an ole timer how we fix that rattle. We stick a match book under the latch.

[@speterbilt]

Shouldn't have too

[@matthewrobertson156]

I haven't found any new car that doesn't require a little something extra after I bring it home. A simple fix is fine by me.

[@lamb-slayer1372]

97 lx 450. Leather seats, super comfortable. 3rd row seats. Twin lockers all wheel drive, full floating axle. The lost goes on and on. Im still getting a bronco.

[@natearnold3443]

For me and my uncle we bought our jeeps with the knowledge that jeep has an amazing aftermarket and as many who own jeeps know half the fun of owning a jeep is upgrading the jeep I understand the purpose of this video was to just basically give people who are not interested in mods a simple this is what you get here this is what you get there now you decide where you put ur money and good on him for that like his vids and love the honesty

[@tdeloriea]

Love the watch ability of your product. Looking forward to see how you customize the Jeep. That is why they sell. Just like buying a Harley. They don’t stay stock for long. Hope to see some trail stories with the Willys added into TFL.

[@philipjooste9075]

Never thought I'd say this of any vehicle but the Bronco really needs an engine cover - it looks a mess under that hood!

[@insainllama]

Ford seems to have ditched the covers on all their new vehicles.

[@elchucofried5683]

I like the look lol

[@kinsmen1764]

I agree, and man! with when it all gets dirty and messy............with oil trappings , it might even knock off a dollar on your resell value

[@korydyer8200]

In the future, will y'all do a two door, manual transmission comparison? I think, along with many others, would like a comparison of a two door, manual Badlands Bronco vs. a two door, manual Rubicon Jeep. Let me know what y'all think! Love the TFL family and the content y'all put out. "Chow"

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

I’ll offer my 2 door JL Rubicon manual as that’d be fun!

[@garbinator09]

@@coloradomallcrawlers Trail Recon just did a six video suspension comparison I thought was interesting. I miss a 2 door keep myself.

[@oldmanjeepingandbiking9621]

The willys package is a solid buy with just a few upgrades that help a bit while offroad. I was able to take a stock willys with a tire upgrade to a 285/75r17(about 3/4 inch overall taller and 1 inch wider) to moab and do every trail out there other that pritchet canyon and area 51. Shes bigger now and built up quite a bit, but I think i honestly had more fun when she was stock!

[@chucknance1290]

we own a JK and a TJ . when we're rich , we might try a BRONCO ; but the JEEPS have been great . I like the transmission and the longer control arms of the JK ; but the TJ is bomb proof -- I'm so glad I bought it -- nearly 290,000 miles and still going strong 🙂