I Take The 2022 Nissan Frontier Pro-4X Up A Steep, "Snowy" Mountain - And It Was A Nail-Biter!

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[@charlesknight5140]

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[@charlesknight5140]

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[@travelinman482]

TFLoffroad You guys DO NOT know how to rock crawl…at all. Stopping at a section when you need to ‘power through’ aka send it. Not airing down your tires and allowing your tires to spin way too much due to over inflation (reg PSI). Finally, I can take a Frontier with it’s 33” tires and a 3” suspension lift and go through the same trails as a truck with 35” tires.

[@o0bananaman0o]

I've been off roading and overlanding for 15 years and I can tell you the problem wasn't the lack of front locker, it was the driver. the front locker would make an inexperienced driver accomplish more, but that vehicle was more than capable of traversing that obstacle with that spec hardware, it was solely driver. I think the possibility of panel damage to the drivers side prevented more commitment

[@babolatr34]

Lack of driver and spotter skill for sure. I’d say they just didn’t want to damage the truck.

[@vettle1]

@@babolatr34 agreed, they didn't want to bang the truck up... They're not Richard Hammond or Jeremy Clarkson FFS.

[@MarkPdot]

No doubt. My stock POS 2000 Silverado with craptastic tires would've rolled right over that obstacle.

[@pizzasaurolophus]

Nissan also has a system called ABLS, it works like Toyota's ATRAC and applies brake to the spinning wheel. But unlike ATRAC there is no dedication button, it kicks in when you're in 4x4 low and turn traction control off. So this truck had the tech and these guys probably spent all day on a video but didnt' bother to spend 15 minutes reading the manual. This channel was a joke before Tommy was on it and he's the one carrying it. His old man may compliment him but it's clear when he's not in a video everyone is clueless whenever they encounter something new.

[@jthondacrf8926]

I agree completely my 2018 pro4x would crawl right up that. That was definitely operator error

[@milbella1]

I hope you guys plan to make more off road tests with the frontier because it's pretty clear to me that the only reason it didn't make it was because of the driver.

[@rondail5675]

Get Tommy to drive. Watching Andre off-road is like watch my grandmother on-road!

[@ph3n0typ33]

The truck didnt make it due to Andres very poor off road driving, the Nissan is more capable than Andres skill set off road unfortunately.

[@grey-adventures]

Seriously awful driving.

[@codysmith9813]

He was trying to be careful with a truck they were testing they don't own, last thing they need is the drivers side smashed in because of human error.

[@tacomas9602]

Lmfao

[@TheGenerationX894]

Yep, Andre can't drive, can't pick a line, and can't keep momentum, that frontier would've made it with a better driver. And so e damn tires lol.

[@DirtE30]

Doesn’t need a front locker, needs 33” proper AT/MT tires aired down to 15psi or so.

[@burningbarnavit]

And a driver that isn't sandbagging..I fail to understand TFL's logic on their off-road tests. Driving above 5 mph over an obstacle is not going to break one of these trucks (or Subarus), and if it did, that's what I want to know!

[@ALMX5DP]

@@burningbarnavit OEMs wouldn’t give out vehicles if they knew TFL were not likely to return them in decent shape.

[@burningbarnavit]

@@ALMX5DP lol. We'll never know, because they never do it. There are plenty of reviewers on KZbin that have no issue getting rigs when manufacturers know what's about to happen. They WANT people to show their vehicle, in it's likely use case scenario. It's win-win.. They either come out looking like pimps, or they get a chance to address the issue (unless Tesla). No press is bad press. The real problem is that TFL is a subsidiary of Stelantis. Which is why I'm betting they bought that Bronco, it's penance to Ford, after getting booted from the reveal..

[@ALMX5DP]

@@burningbarnavit have anything to substantiate what you said?

[@craigquann]

These reviews are ment to show the vehicle in stock form. Tire pressure and all as they roll of the factory floor.

[@FernandoGarcia-uy3pk]

Been waiting for this video, but felt like you guys didn’t give the truck a fair chance. Can you guys do another video on the frontier… you guys are the defining factor for a lot of buyers. Big fan.

[@bubbie3533]

I agree with you. Different tires, air down your tires, and a drive mod.

[@Bigjobrob]

I disagree. They test the vehicle how it comes from the factory. Nissan chose to ship it with the WORST all-terrain tire I’ve ever seen. They also chose to have that low of ground clearance. I'm very disappointed in Nissan.

[@g4yrut]

Completely agree, felt rushed, and didn’t seem to give it a fair shake down. No offence to Andre at all, but I think not making it past that obstacle was driver error. Without driving it yet, I’m really becoming a fan (coming from a 2nd Gen Tacoma owner). I’d love for this truck to get more recognition, because that means more aftermarket support.

[@mancraft2384]

Still not enough... RIP nissan frontier🤣😂

[@jmar3011]

@@Bigjobrob disagree, they took a different line with the Bronco. On that same line, the Frontier would have made it up.

[@dannyg5636]

Most situations you dont need a front locker you need to learn how to drive offroad

[@chanoleyva]

Front lockers actually break, a lot. So some sort of traction control like atrac is much easier on the system

[@sentrasr20jdm]

Horrible driving 🤦🏽‍♂️ makes the Nissan look bad

[@workingcountry1776]

​@@sentrasr20jdm100%. Never gave traction control a chance to "think" and give a good solution.

[@mattcomchoc2957]

Locker in the back, LSD in the front is the best unless you've got some very niche needs

[@bronzeage_222]

These guys turn on locker when kitty litter is in their way.

[@kchris5326]

They should have had someone that knows how to drive in the Nissan. Also, I love the Bronco but if the Nissan had the same tires it would have made it no problem.

[@jordanbrown1170]

only difference is that the bronco took the correct line and the frontier didn't.

[@mauricemotors8207]

@@jordanbrown1170 It’s driver and vehicle that bronco is 60k vs 43k

[@KINGWD0110]

Correct. American cars are youtubely better than Japanese =).

[@WilliamLuker-i3s]

You are exactly right he tried to climb over the large rocks when the Bronco avoided them. @@jordanbrown1170

[@v.e.7236]

$40K and $60K for an automobile is exorbitant, at the very least. Vehicle prices have gotten completely out of control! There is nothing available for under $15K and that really bites for the young, entry-level car buyer that now needs Mom and Dad to co-sign a loan just to get a car. Sad state of car ownership, as it has become a luxury item for the upper class, out of reach for a growing number of people, due to the growing costs of fuel, insurance and maintenace.

[@rossanderson6859]

Get used car like most young people have for decades. Nothing has changed.

[@The_Cyberz]

Prices always go up.

[@pjad1400]

Definitely need to make another Frontier video. Preferably one where it attempts more than only 1 obstacle....

[@ubangiestomp]

seemed like a half ass video to me.

[@albertmcfry6322]

Would love to see the frontier with 2 in lift,nittos or ko2s tires and give it a good test

[@Doncan0823]

Andre needed to be steady with the gas pedal. Momentum is key and he kept going on and off the gas pedal getting himself stuck. Roman was very smooth with the gas pedal and went through the obstacles much better.

[@mtnbound2764]

roman didnt have to toch the pedal, the bronco did it for him lol but yeah andre could have made it up with a little more skinny pedal. he needed a "bump" over that rock on the pass front tire

[@Doncan0823]

@@mtnbound2764 yes, we have to assume he did even though he didn’t mention engaging the Bronco’s crawl control, only GOAT mode. Still, smooth pedal control and momentum is key.

[@wally560]

Being ‘steady with the gas pedal’ on that section with a light bed p/u truck could’ve meant instantly bouncing off a rock, losing traction and hitting the driver’s side dirt wall. If you know that road then you know that lil’ section, it’s passable & not extremely difficult, but it does get one’s attention (enough that it’s nice to have a spotter). It’s tight, off camber and has a bunch of loose rocks. The nice triple-locked bronco & camera made it look a bit easier than it is in real life. IMO, he gave it legit & fair efforts w/out being overly risky - esp. for a truck he doesn’t personally own.

[@mtnbound2764]

@@wally560 I understand, its not like it was his truck he built for off roading and wouldnt mind getting it scratched. thats really what kept him from making it. I with he would have given it ooone more try.

[@wally560]

@@mtnbound2764 Ha, k, fair enough.

[@ted101975]

Would love to see a similar Tacoma and Ranger tested at the same spot same day.

[@billywill903]

All with the same tires!!!!!!!

[@UltimateCARNUT]

I want to see tommy bring them all up because Andre and Roman... just no.

[@terrydorius3632]

I agree for the most part TFL seem a little bias when it comes to Nissan products. It seems to me they are always put them at the bottom of the pile.

[@danieljantz913]

Tacoma would crawl up that little hill no problem

[@jkid4855]

@@terrydorius3632 the entire channel is biased. They usually hate on Asian cars. Even Toyota get backhanded compliments.

[@c0ldyloxproductions324]

Put tommy behind the wheel of the frontier and do this again I know the frontier can make it but Andre kept stopping mid momentum causing him to loose traction u can see the limited slip diff on the front working but not able to do much since he was so timid

[@jsSeJaMs]

Andre is the truck man. But I have to say Tommy is the best driver.

[@abeliiibecerra5281]

No you're wrong!☝️ The best driver is Nathan.

[@jsSeJaMs]

@@abeliiibecerra5281 I can't disagree with you. But when it comes to the off-road part I believe Tommy has it in the bag second Nathan. Nathan is one of my favorite though

[@denco.outdoorsman1821]

Yeah andres more of a mpg and towing tester!

[@davep2945]

True, the problem is, however, their best driver is still not that good.

[@hunterm4188]

Who cares Jesus Christ

[@themouas]

With the Frontier you're supposed to keep it in Low with rear end locked and keep your foot on the gas pedal and let the computer work its way up, you keep letting the gas pedal off and stop half the way that'll never give the computer time to figure out the traction or torque transfer at all.

[@AngelS19814]

strongly agree.

[@Vulnox]

Strongly disagree. You apparently either don’t see how much of an angle they were on or haven’t driven off-road much. The best shot of the sideways angle was the semi-rear shot of the Bronco when it did its approach. It’s often very deceiving how much angle there is on camera. If they had kept in the pedal they would have messed up the track for one, which is a crummy thing to do since others with capable vehicles need to be able to get up there without worrying about giant ruts made by selfish off-readers that had to keep in it, and number two if they let the tires spin, especially with the rear locker engaged, the truck would have slid into the rock wall they were trying to avoid. They clearly made the right choice if you know what you are doing, and they should given how much off-roading they do for the channel.

[@abouttime7316]

Plain and simple on loose rock you have to keep momentum. Andre kept stopping. Not saying foot to the floor but constant movement as the Bronco just showed.

[@ph3n0typ33]

@@Vulnox Youre clearly not an off roader at all or have any clue what you are talking about here, this is very clearly a lack of driver skill rather than the vehicles lack of ability, that truck in capable hands would have easily made it up with some proper momentum and wheel placement. City boys with zero off road experience.

[@SFPhilo]

@@ph3n0typ33 I think it's more of they don't want to damage a loaner from Nissan. They damaged a loner from "the Seven Sisters" and couldn't get anything to test drive from them for years.

[@manuelias86]

Funny thing is Roman trying to show Andre what's snow. 🤣 I'm guessing Andre has seen his fair share of snow.

[@pedalandypedal]

Andre’s driving could use a lot of coaching. Not fair for the Frontier.

[@hunterm4188]

Lol yeah get out there and start coaching then

[@jabroni6199]

@@hunterm4188 I’m sure many of us would if TFL flies us out there. Education and training aren’t free. Criticism is.

[@deanthomson1654]

The frontier would zoom up that at speed, but it is interesting that some of these new vehicles can crawl up with gramps driving.

[@Ww8.3]

You can tell TFL is over the moon with their bronco. That land rover they have is as good as gone ;)

[@88_4Runner]

Has TLF done anything with the Landy since the back to back flats?

[@bryanlewis2867]

Hopefully you guys do a few more comprehensive videos with it. That one was pretty short.

[@terrydorius3632]

I've been following TFL for very long time. And l love the reviews and the insight they have when it comes to products on the market. However I have to say I feel like they are a little bias when it comes to Nissan products and they are always put them down. For instance I purchased a 2017 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off road brand new off the lot and that truck was nothing but a headache after 2 and a half years of ownership and several trips to the dealership and several hours with Toyota I finally got rid of it and and got a 2020 Titan and I have to say by far it has been the best truck I've owned. And if I had to do go on what TFl has said I don't think I would have gotten a Nissan product.

[@Anchor7]

what issues did you have with the taco?

[@terrydorius3632]

@@Anchor7 well where should I start I live in Michigan so we have so crappy weather out here. So I to get a taco got it brand new off the lot just before Thanksgiving I only had the truck for 3 week before it started snowing. On the first snow fall I started hearing noise coming from the front end. I called the dealer and said something with your the guy did not believe me took the truck in they can have me coming from down the road. That was the start of my nightmare this problem went on for two and a half years they did everything from replacing the whole front suspension to replacing the cab mounts to even sent out of field engineer and they could not figure out what is wrong with the that truck. And I kept fighting with Toyota finally I decided to just get rid of it I don't ever see myself by another Toyota

[@Anchor7]

@@terrydorius3632 wow bummer

[@texasbradley]

Dude they are not bias, this truck actually sucks and its newly released. Just go look at a zr2 colorado and how it behaves offroad and you will quickly see quality thought from badges and stickers. I'm saying this as a loyal ford driver so it pains me to think the zr2 colorado is the best off road mid size, and it's got that in spades.

[@BigBennyD]

@@texasbradley idk. The Tacoma TRD pro and new Ranger tremor will compete. Check out Truck King's video of the ZR2 vs Tremor.

[@2wheeled76]

It’d be nice to have Tommy conduct an off road evaluation for the Nissan since he’s fresh off of driving the new TRD and SR5 Trail Tacoma. That’s the best comparison.

[@lordrayden3045]

No, it wouldn’t As soon as he shows up I’m a video I turn it off

[@jarrodmcdaniel]

I wonder if Andre kept the throttle steady for longer, would the 4WLS system (Nissan’s version of Atrac) brake the spinning front wheel and send power to the other? Then again, it may have slid into that bank and damaged Nissan’s truck. I say put it on the rollers and find out. I kept waiting for it to kick in…

[@jsSeJaMs]

Yeah he is very cautious at pushing new vehicles

[@jordanbrown1170]

This is what he needed to do. stay steady on the throttle and let the electronics make up for his bad line choice but he got out of the throttle too quick each time so the ABLS didn't kick in.

[@Tinrs80]

Agree

[@julesbabauta]

Where’s Tommy?

[@pizzasaurolophus]

I wonder if they disabled traction control. ABLS which is like Toyota's ATRAC only kicks in when traction control is off.

[@junehhan]

I think it would be interesting to see you guys attempt this same obstacle in the Ranger with the Tremor package. It is nice to see good value in the truck segment, but a fully loaded Lariat with the Tremor is only about $4k more than this Frontier.

[@mitchellsteindler]

Wow let me just take 4k out of my couch cushions. Seriously?

[@mitchellsteindler]

@Shifty McGee462 don't worry, I haven't forgotten about that idiocy

[@TheMeanmarine13]

@@mitchellsteindler If 4K is what makes you or breaks you, then you're not even in the market for a new truck in the 1st place 🤷‍♂️.

[@mitchellsteindler]

@@TheMeanmarine13 okay.

[@Pizza626]

Itll go over the terrain will little hassle. I guarantee it 💯 (Note: I mean the Ranger Tremor, NOT Frontier)

[@ckkrons2338]

$20,000 difference and it performs different? Wow, would have never guessed. Wonder if 20k in mods would make the Frontier as good. 🤷‍♂️

[@alexgarcia3900]

You gotta be slow or something. That wast a comparison video. Just showing the difference

[@ckkrons2338]

@@alexgarcia3900 I appreciate the put down. Based on Romans bashing throughout difficult to tell the difference between a comparison and showing difference.

[@notsofatpeiceofsht8535]

for 20k you could put a small lift, bigger tires and wheels, new bumper with a winch, and still have 10 k for beer

[@dennisschmidt975]

Most people will never need a front locker, those who do will just add one themselves

[@seth3000gt]

Yes but Nissan should have known better.

[@TyphusVonElder]

@@seth3000gt nissan is meant to be cheap. You can fully load this truck maxium package and its not even 50k, bronco and wrangler easily 60k and not even fully loaded. Nissan is meant for everyday use and meant to be cheap. Give it a 3 inch lift so Andres stops crying and he could make it. He had clearance as is. But was scared. I have taken Tacomas in Kaena point in 2 wheel drive, as well as peacocks, again in 2 wheel drive. Unless you dealing with mud and doing heavy vertical you dont need to worry about front lockers.

[@seth3000gt]

@@TyphusVonElder Yes but, no one can complain about having the option of a front locker. Cheap too (Maybe an additional $800 at most). You say Nissan is cheap? How is 50K cheap??? Where do you work?? And for Nissan to hold out and be lame as F not doing the Pro 4X justice is pathetic. They have been making this same old truck since 2005. Same frame same suspension ect. Nissan left us all let down by yet another Fail.

[@TyphusVonElder]

@@seth3000gt 43k is pretty cheaper for a fully loaded vehicle, compared to the others out there. Its not gonna be a 800 dollar option, the Part is 800 dollars, the labor is abother what 300 to 400 depending on who installeds it As to where I work. Im a welder/pipefitter on a military installation that makes sure that the fire trainers are in working order to train future military personnel in damage control and fire fighting. Main job for me is welding in the event of emergency pipe failure or student damage, second half is upkeep if the Fire trainers. I make a modest 90k a year from this, weekends off and every federal holiday. I also do side work usually fabricating jobs. Even if I was working my last job 8 years ago back when I was a Warehouse Project manager which was about 50k a year, I could afford this truck. Its cheap for brand new. Your monthly will probably be about 630 with a 10k deposit or even less if you do a 5 year financing. So i don't see your issue. If you want a Front locker, go buy a jeep comes standard but that Gladiator Jeep Truck is 63k not even fully loaded option either.

[@seth3000gt]

@@TyphusVonElder Very interesting. I am quality assurance and weld inspector over military maintenance platforms along with Medical treatment units here in Utah. Been in welding for 20 years. Never once cleared 50K. As of now I make 48k. Gosh dang, hook me up man! I've been getting robbed. I drive a 2002 Honda CRV with 250K and can barely make rent.

[@codysmith9813]

Great little truck just bought mine yesterday in Pro-X tactical green with the lava cloth seats super happy! Thanks TFL your team helped me make my buying decision.

[@scottcolvin6243]

bought Nissan and I love it

[@rogerslade6998]

Took my Frontier up Miller jeep trail with bigger rocks, and no problems. Pick better lines, drive the truck better. The jeep drivers where laughing at first, then high fiving us after. This truck is more than capable.

[@BradderzTekkerz]

To be honest I think that could have made it no problem, that looked more like they where trying to make a point that yes the frontera would be better with a front locker which we know but it could easily have made that personally!

[@jsSeJaMs]

Yes you aint wrong! Put Tommy in the pro4x

[@Fix_It_Again_Tony]

I think you are right. It really didn't look like Andre was trying to keep the front level. He exposed the downside of IFS without a locker well, but I agree he probably could have drove that.

[@Jv19979]

Didn't the Tacoma make it up that

[@PlayWaves1]

I agree with others that you need another offroad video with the Frontier Pro-4X. This video really didn't do it justice.

[@davidjernigan8161]

I think with the Bilstein shocks it really depends on which series shock is used. It needs a 2 inch suspension lift and taller tires.

[@Fix_It_Again_Tony]

Exactly. For instance the 5100s in the front of a second gen are a joke. Way too soft. It's very bouncy offroad. Even crawling it's bouncy - I'm not talking about desert driving or something. The 6112 and 5160s on the other had look far more capable. The new Nismo suspension from Bilstein appears to be 6112 fronts with 5160 rears.

[@daywalker4029]

We lifted our ‘22 Pro4x over at Alldogs Offroad and put it on a skinny 33” tire. Stance is way better. We will get it off road hopefully later this month.

[@reecealeck8314]

@@daywalker4029 clicked on ur channel hoping their was a video of the 2022 frontier lifted. Was happy to see some bfv tho🤣👍

[@haydenweir7945]

I just bought my 2022 Nissan Frontier Pro-4x yesterday! Thanks for hyping me up and showing how great of a truck this is! Can’t wait to take to out on some trails this weekend!

[@EagleEyeHunts]

I like the videos, but it’s painful to watch these, “off road “videos and not see you air down. That makes all the difference sometimes even on the least aggressive tires.

[@bubbie3533]

Yeah no kidding 😂 also better tires than stock. 🤘

[@billywill903]

Very good point

[@chipperchap17]

I believe that is a test vehicle so they definitely cannot change the tires or modify. That might include airing down too.

[@ThatOneDudeNick]

Yeah it sucks manufacturers generally don't allow reviewers to air down. You would think they'd allow that since it would make the trucks perform better in these tests.

[@czrmtz2431]

At this point they have a lot of videos in which they haven’t aired down. If they all of a sudden started doing it now then those old off-road reviews wouldn’t be comparable anymore .

[@trevorlee6303]

You don't need a locker just good tires and a good driver

[@wesammansour1486]

The Frontier looks Amazing!

[@pkingpure100]

Looks like a Tacoma

[@krashnpa]

Andre- Do you need a front locker and "don't know how to drive over any terrain" modes or just something besides a set of minivan tires?

[@ALMX5DP]

They may not be a very aggressive AT, but certainly not typical all season on a minivan either.

[@erickisel8668]

Did the Frontier not making it come down to the truck or the driver? Could Roman or Tommy have made it up the hill with the Frontier? Or, is the truck just not capable enough there?

[@fastfed]

Considering he stopped the second he lost traction as most of these guys do, yes!! The frontier has a system called abls like crawl control you need to stay on the gas, not hard just enough to get the tires to slowly spin so the truck figures it out.like crawl control just stay on the throttle

[@frankENZC]

@@fastfed He was worried about hitting the drivers side of the truck.

[@adam_mawz_maas]

A little bit of both. He had to take it over that one rock, didn’t have enough room on the driver’s side to have the rock pass outboard and didn’t have enough clearance to let the rock pass underneath (which is what. Roman did on the Bronco with his 35’s). But Andre slowed down too much after clearing the rock, if h’d kept a bit more speed after he got his front wheel over he might have made it. This was a case where skill might have helped, but more clearance or a front locker would also have allowed Andre to clear that obstacle.

[@Bru946]

The new frontier is my favorite midsized now

[@bsfunk44]

Lol...why, that thing sucks

[@bjornironsides6474]

Yeah Frontiers have always been solid. Even the old one is indestructible. BSfunk doesn't know what he's talking about.

[@SixySix704]

Even though it sucks

[@Bru946]

@@bsfunk44 Looks nice, good power, decent price, 9 speed, and it’s finally something new from Nissan…..did you really come to watch the video and comment your dislikes lol

[@Bru946]

@@SixySix704 Alright…. Shit I’m convinced, not buying one anymore. Lmao

[@scotturich]

Been waiting for this ☝️

[@chiefman8316]

Why in the Hell would anybody spend 45K for a new Truck and go rock climbing with it Must be insane.

[@mwngtombing4970]

Should have tried in normal mode b4 locking up everything in the Bronco. It would have been much2 interesting to see the result. Anyway thanks 4 the content.

[@mattwillard8608]

These guys know nothing about off road. They lock every locker available on every vehicle just to drive the most basic trail. I have driven this trail and it is cake, this is not a Nissan problem it is a driver problem.

[@skiracer2000]

Agreed - I want to see like-for-like. We KNOW that a front locker will be better, but do it in the same configuration to showcase the difference. They do that every time they have a Rubicon as well - front and rear locked and swaybar disconnected are the first first things they do.

[@alexg.2633]

I appreciate that Andre gave the Frontier multiple tries up the rocky section. It would be interesting to see it go head to head with the Tacoma and other trucks in its class on this rocky feature.

[@trenton.tchannel1810]

I think he was being too cautious. It was a couple times he could’ve made it up with momentum but stopped as soon as the truck started to work hard to do it. Most people when off roading will use That momentum with no issues

[@rossbowman202]

Did Tommy's red Jeep make it up the obstacle? I saw his Jeep following you all.

[@s3dm7md]

That Bronco really makes any obstacle looks easy. Ford has done something extraordinary to come up with it.

[@adam_mawz_maas]

@@MeliorIlle Roman did the same line Andre attempted on his second try, with the rock inboard of the passenger wheels. Andre couldn’t pull it off as he didn’t have the clearance necessary and went back to trying to put the tire over the rock, which slowed him down too much to make it. In this case, I think the 35’s made more difference than the front locker, having the clearance to let the rock pass under him allowed Roman to keep some momentum going.

[@_Marc_D]

Seems like the Nissan Pro 4X is much more in line with the Tacoma TRD off road... not the Pro or a ZR 2 I wonder how crawl control would have done over that obstacle? Is it a replacement for a front locker?

[@Jv19979]

Crawl control is junk.

[@_Marc_D]

@@Jv19979 in your opinion... I've used it to some excellent effect.

[@Jv19979]

@@_Marc_D I just hate how loud the Tacoma's is. The rangers is quiet

[@_Marc_D]

@@Jv19979 I agree the ABS does make quite the noise.

[@daywalker4029]

@@Jv19979 these ‘22 frontiers are incredibly quiet also

[@GoSlowTaco]

Thank you TFL for the consent comedy content . These dudes and their lockers is hilarious.

[@markparent7999]

lol. That is all they talk about. The one clown on the video of the 4runner says that is all he needs and then he gets stuck (with the locker activated) because he doesn't know about a-trac on the Toyota.

[@danielfindley5428]

I’m not sure why they keep comparing this to the Chevy ZR2 and Gladiator Rubicon. This competes more with the Gladiator Willys, Tacoma TRD Off-Road, Ranger FX4, and Chevy Z71. That should be the expectation, not a $50k+ full off-roader.

[@Velozjc]

You re 100% right. It is incorrect to compare trucks with $20k of different. Add the $20k in parts to the Nissan and than it is fair.

[@mabelpup8502]

More often than not, Andre never keeps the momentum going on the truck. Whenever he gets good momentum where it’s needed, he always lifts!!

[@XceedDriver]

If the Frontier came with a more aggressive tire at that size tire, I think it could have made it up that obstacle.

[@randycupp5925]

Nah... It doesn't matter how aggressive the tire is if it is not receiving input from the drive train. No front locker on the top off road trim from Nissan was a major fail.

[@altjacobs]

@@randycupp5925 Front lockers have been and still are rare from the factory, even on off-road trims. Having a front locker is definitely the exception, not the rule. GM got it right with the ZR2 trims.

[@svtrader]

It would've made that obstacle if he actually tried.

[@billywill903]

@@randycupp5925 u are absolutely wrong. Airing down he would have made it fine. Tire placement he could have made it.good tires and airing down make all the difference. It is extremely rare that you need a front locker. The few times I have seen one used it was in place of driving skill.

[@XceedDriver]

@@randycupp5925 I wholeheartedly disagree. That obstacle wasn’t extreme enough to need the use of a front locker. If you watch the tires, the rear’s weren’t pushing so the front could get traction. Also, them using the front locker in the Bronco was overkill.

[@davidmilhouscarter8198]

11:38 There was snow on the top of Pikes Peak back in August.

[@ruggv6217]

I've been watching these guys for years and they can be the biggest bullshit artists. The narrative was set in the first couple of minutes and I knew exactly what direction this video was going in. They decided to focus on the negatives in this cases (Remember it isn't a Toyota. In that case they would have focused on the positives). They didn't bring up the Toyota Tacoma (probably its closest competitor) because it couldn't do any better in the same situation. They made sure they compared it to vehicles that have equipment the this truck doesn't have like a front locker which the Tacoma doesn't have either. Worthless video!

[@snazari1994]

Andre was picking bad lines on that hill. stock Tacoma or frontier should easily make that. I’ve done harder trails on my tundra trd pro loo

[@lukestoyz]

I too believe there is a narrative -to hype up the Ford Bronco. The last one to hype up the Land Rover failed miserably.

[@lightman489]

So what it's not comparable to a dedicated off road vehicle it did good, besides you can put a couple of motorcycles in the back along with some camping gear, like to see the bronco do that

[@pkingpure100]

I'm pretty sure a Tacoma would easily make it up that. Toyota's Atrac combined with rear locker can act like a front and rear locker.

[@ruggv6217]

@@pkingpure100 The Frontier has a rear locker and a similar system to A-trac that works automatically called ABLS. Also, the Frontier's low range crawl ratio is something like 54:1 and the Tacoma's is something like 36:1. I'm sure the Frontier could make it also. The point I'm trying to make is they are very selective about the information they present. Most of their reviews are far from objective. Especially when there is or could be a Toyota involved. They Toyota is alway made to look better. In this case they must have thought they couldn't make the Toyota look better so they just left the information out.

[@The_Opinion_of_Matt]

I've seen several people provide their two cents on the Frontier not making up the obstacle. All I'm going to say is that the Bronco had more aggressive tires larger diameter. The larger diameter greatly increases the size of the contact patch by increasing its length. The larger diameter also decreases the tire's approach angle. (Yes tires have an approach angle too. To give an extreme example. A 5 inch tall vertical step. If you roll a 35 inch tall tire against a 5 inch vertical step the angle between where the tire contacts the top of the step and ground will probably be between 20 and 30 degrees. However on an 10 inch tall lawnmower tire the 5 inch step will meet the tire at a 90 degree angle. Larger tires climb over things easier.)

[@bigdawgsmith9085]

The Bronco will start falling apart after 18 months while the Nissan will go 200,000 miles without any major issues.

[@thebeto89ify]

That's cute

[@marccampbellsr1085]

The Bronco is " cute " ..😂😂

[@gs6810]

If the transmission doesn't self destruct than it's a big improvement for Nissan no matter what.

[@YerBoyTroy]

Test drove one of these at the dealership 2 weeks ago. As a Tacoma owner I will say that it feels more refined in terms of handling, acceleration, and shifts gears much smoother. It's also bigger on the inside. Feels a little sluggish til you wind the engine out to over 5k rpm though. There's definitely more nvh in this than the outgoing model too so you feel more insulated from noise. In terms of Interior 'feel'. Something about this truck doesnt feel as durable. Materials inside look more premium than a taco (and older gen frontier obviously) but don't feel as sturdy. There's this thin/delicate feeling to the interior when riding over hard bumps in this thing, like if you hit too many potholes, trim pieces will start bending or popping out of place, don't have a better way to describe it. Still a really nice riding truck, but something tells me this won't sell as well as the competitors because it's really not offering anything more in any category and being a new model will still be fairly expensive if getting the pro 4x.

[@jstitan2972]

Rough country just came out with a 6 inch lift for the new frontier....looks amazing!

[@ripfletching]

Man that bronco is absolutely one of the best vehicle‘s you’ve ever had on your show please do more off-road videos with this unit

[@bryanbaldassarri3248]

they need to take the Bronco out to a real off rd park. Not the easy trails. Everyone knows it is very capable, so lets see it be challenged. Its like Ford told them they can't show its flaws other than the roof. they always seem to be a little biased towards the fords. Just want to see what the Bronco can really do.

[@richardleary9085]

Living in Maryland and owning both 80 and 100 series landcruisers you guys don't know how good you have it with those playgrounds in your backyard!

[@jabroni6199]

Can’t help but feel you really didn’t try hard enough with the frontier. You guys gave up at the first sign of wheel spin or even the first sign of having to go over a rock that thwarted some of your forward momentum.

[@billywill903]

I agree 100%

[@jamesszabadics5911]

Andre kept hitting that rock (just needed Roman to guide him to the left of it). After Andre lost momentum he always backed off the throttle scared of scratching it. Very inconsistent on the throttle.

[@Chops00]

Is the turning radius any better?

[@jsSeJaMs]

This should be the first trail that Andre does with the Colorado Trail Boss he's getting. Webster pass. And then have Roman in the Ranger. Tommy in a frontier and Nathan in a Gladiator. And bring my man from tfl classic cars and put him in the Tacoma. Also face off at tumble weed ranch.

[@mikoriad]

Anything that requires a small amount of actual off-road skill stumps this channel. These guys never fail to make a vehicle look bad when they get in the sticks, lol!

[@yudanov13]

Would have been nice to see this exact trail with tacoma trd pro and this Nissan truck.

[@bryanbourrie8738]

Been driving Frontier Pro 4X for years! Give me the damn thing, deflate a few pounds of air pressure and put Roman in my way!! $20,000 more for that bronco package setup and I will go EVERYWHERE he does!

[@XloMotion]

Keeps mentioning front lockers and vehicles that are at least $20k more expensive. Thanks for the non biased 🙄🙄

[@twomstone_17]

Frontier needed a driver mod. There was a very clear better line but no, let's try the exact same one 6 times in a row and hope for the best.

[@Fix_It_Again_Tony]

Does it have the R180A front diff from the second gen? There are locker options available for that differential.

[@jonathonsmith7694]

thats a turd diff my guy

[@Fix_It_Again_Tony]

@@jonathonsmith7694 The spider gears are the weak link. Any locker fixes that. If it has the same diff then there are already options available.

[@DanDannyDanielleBob]

I get the philosophy of testing as it comes from factory, but rubber can make all the difference. It would be cool to see side by side tests with each truck wearing the same tires in whatever the stock size is

[@Daniel-tl2ln]

They don't like to hear about driving skills, but lot of these hills and obstacles are passable if they just do things slightly different. Reminds me on a typical canadian driver in winter when they get stuck in snow and instead of playing with the pedal they just floor it and hope it will go out 😂

[@AJ-cb6vg]

100% agree 👍 the driver makes a huge difference

[@iduimovic]

Definitely Andre it is not a good off road driver. First he didn't picked the correct line, second he stopped at the worst point, then he didn't let the system figure out which tire was spinning on the front to allow the ABS traction control to do their magic locking the spinning wheel and force the one with traction to drive up. Now Roman with the Bronco he picked a totally different line to the far right driving over a solid ground with the twin lockers activated. The key will be to drive either the bronco on the same line that was the Frontier or drive the Frontier using the Bronco Line.

[@deancm9302]

From what I’ve read about Ford and the Broncos reliability. It was smart for you to bring the Nissan.

[@RobbDzzz]

This is one where I think Tommy would have made the difference. A front locker isn’t necessary for that portion of trail (as shown on TFL quite a few times), the truck is capable enough without lockers.

[@UncleMoose1]

Thanks for all the entertainment over the years guys! I really enjoy your content.

[@manii8597]

To bad the driver wasn't up to the task, every off-road adventure has its difficulties, but the frontier could easily do that.

[@zacharyrodgers597]

Guys I loved the video and as someone who is in the market for an off-roader I really appreciate you testing the Frontier vs. the Bronco. I know the Frontier isn’t your truck and therefore you don’t/can’t damage or alter it, but would you say that it would perform better with better tires and a slight lift (2” or so). I love the Bronco but as you say they are unobtainium right now, and expensive for all the off road goodies. The Frontier Pro 4x seems like a solid competitor in the market, and any coverage you guys do of it I love. Keep up the great work, and if you can do more Frontier coverage I would greatly appreciate it.

[@billywill903]

I have a 2019 and it does everything I need. Try taking the bronco to HD and putting 20 bags of mulch in the back. Hose the bed out take it to the mountains on narrow trails. The bronco would never make it as wide as it is. I have been out with Jeep’s and Toyota’s of all kinds and every one of them has been impressed at how well the frontier does. Throw some 33”s on it and you will be able to go anywhere you want.

[@zacharyrodgers597]

Sounds like and awesome truck man. Thanks for the advice. Based of what I’ve seen/what I need the Frontier will do everything I need and more

[@trailrunnah8886]

One suggestion, when you give engine specs, please state the RPM at which the power occurs at. 281 foot pounds of torque sounds good, but if it's at 3000 RPM would be impressive, 5,000 RPM would be meh.

[@bendino9016]

It's an na v6... 5k rpm is where the torque will be.

[@trailrunnah8886]

@@bendino9016 you're probably right, even though that sucks. Though the old VQ 4.0 made pretty good tq down low, u like Toyota's turd of a 4 liter. I'm hoping the 3.8 carries on that tradition. Actually I just looked it up: the 4.0 was 4k rpm, the 3.8 is 4,400 rpm. At least it's better than the Tacoma 3.5, which is like 5,500rpm.

[@codysmith9813]

@@trailrunnah8886 I bought a new frontier its at 4400rpm for 281torque. And 310 at 6400rpm

[@BorellaFamilyAdventures]

Needed to let the TC kick in and stay on the throttle. My Pathfinder has no rear locker and only the TC system that this has and should be able to make this.

[@OP941nine]

I would have like to see the trd pro tacoma there that's the main competitor

[@daywalker4029]

TRD Offroad is the Pro4x main competitor. Nissan doesnt have a Pro competitor. Maybe they can release a “Warrior” model like they said in the video. NISMO has a 6112/5160 suspension upgrade for the truck.

[@trailrunnah8886]

@@daywalker4029 was thinking the same thing. I wonder if Toyota's ATRAC would have made a difference in this situation. The TRD off-road comes with fairly comparable tires, so I think that would be a good comparison. It would be nice if Nissan, in GM, would come out something similar to ATRAC. I know jeep has something similar, brake lock differentials, and I believe Ford has a version as well. Would also be cool to see how a Toyota with crawl control engaged handles this obstacle.

[@daywalker4029]

@@trailrunnah8886 honestly, with a different set of tires that Nissan probably would have made it. Those factory hankooks are pretty bad.

[@trailrunnah8886]

@@daywalker4029 good point. One of the ranger models comes with General ATX all-terrains, I wonder if those would have made a difference on this vehicle. I run them on my 4Runner and like them a lot, though I haven't tried any terrain quite like this with them.

[@daywalker4029]

@@trailrunnah8886 We put Kenda Klever RT’s on our shop ‘22 Pro4x. I had Falken Wildpeak AT’s on my frontier before going to the Cooper Evolution MT’s when I Titan swapped. MT’s are the way to go if the vehicle sees a lot of off road use. Just have to deal with the noise lol. Also they aren’t great in the snow.

[@chrisxshock]

I have a 2017 Frontier SV. No locker. This trail is legit what my road to my house is like. I have zero issues. However, I want lockers for my next truck on front and rear to make getting up a little bit more comfortable... After rain you have to floor it and hold your breath you don't break anything underneath as your head hits the roof. My pregnant wife dreads leaving the house.

[@Ww8.3]

Toyota’s terrain management system/atrac is still unmatched. Coupled with the rear locker and aggressive A/T tires I have gone everywhere my buddy in his zr2 has gone. With atrac the front locker isn’t necessary

[@Bigjobrob]

Nathan's 2003 Montero could have handled that obstacle easily. That rig's terrain management system blows Toyota's away.

[@Ww8.3]

@@Bigjobrob 🤣

[@Ww8.3]

@Pro4x Trdpro how so?

[@Ww8.3]

@Pro4x Trdpro also not effective because it can’t even get up this hill

[@zonacrs]

To be fair, the PRO4X is similar to the standard TRD offroad, FX4 or Z71 package. All would probably have struggled on that obstacle. Better tires might have made the difference and allowed it to make it.

[@JELHONDA]

Yup got to love when they compare it to trucks that cost at least 10k more

[@Shakerhood69]

I don't think the Off Road Tacoma would have struggled as A-TRAC or Crawl Control would have helped.

[@zonacrs]

@@Shakerhood69 Good point. Surprised Nissan did not include a brake based traction system.

[@davidslute9546]

Another good video! The Nissan does look great but I agree a Warrior package would be amazing. I'd also love to see you guys do a video in a Wrangler / Bronco both on 35's going up Weber pass only using 4Lo no lockers to see how far they will make it.

[@backyardgarage8285]

I honestly think it's funny. People love their new trucks and the offroad ability of them with these offroad packages. Ive had a couple 90s tahoes. My current one is a 95 ls trim. And can tell you that thing can climb and offroad perfectly. Would love to see an old full size gm siv vs these new trucks

[@scotttwood]

Thanks for the video, guys. I was curious if Nissan improved the off road capability of the new Frontier. They clearly did not but it's still a fantastic option for the vast majority of people looking for a new mid size pickup. I'm really looking forward to your video's on the capability of the new Tundra TRD Off Road.

[@fastfed]

Tacoma, tundra , ranger and all other trucks without front lockers would have performed the same , using the same tires.

[@trailrunnah8886]

@@fastfed I think you're probably right, but I would like to see a Tacoma TRD off-road with ATRAC attempt this. I'm no Toyota Fanboy, but I do think ATRAC is fairly impressive, it's not a front locker, but it does help the front end with traction

[@fastfed]

@@trailrunnah8886 frontier has the same system, just called abls . Plenty of videos demonstrating it. It works really good, if he would have just stayed on the throttle slowly, it would have activated

[@trailrunnah8886]

@@fastfed oh, I did not know that! Thanks for the info, I'll have to look up some videos to see it in action. I notice in Toyota videos that reviewers tend to do the same thing, they don't keep their foot in it long enough for it to actually engage.

[@familyherochannel2288]

Excellent video! It's wonderful seeing Roman in a good mood 😊

[@mav4516]

Making excuses to drive the bronco 🤣

[@agentdsmith]

The Frontier wasn't given a fair chance. The traction control system on this model is very similar to what was available 3-4 years ago in the Nissan Navara which is sold in Europe and Australia. My 2017 Navara even has the 360 cameras and diff-lock and the entire package works quite well. He needed to stop backing off the throttle so quickly.

[@rsdaarud]

TFL project: lift the Nissan, add 35s' and a front locker. With the 54:1 crawl ratio, no regearing needed. Then Bronco Webster re-do!

[@briansmith8079]

Made that same mountain ⛰ pass with my 2004 Crew Cab Nissan Frontier 32" General Grabber AT2's, no sway bars, open differentials, stock shocks, topper, 5 speed....King Cab to boot. It's all in the driver Andre...

[@kingdingaling781]

This truck is essentially a copy of the Tacoma TRD Off Road. They never criticized that truck. Makes you wonder if Nissan didn't pay them enough.

[@adam_mawz_maas]

There’s one big difference. the TRD Off-road doesn’t sit at the top of the Taco lineup, the Pro-4X does. Nissan right now has the same issue as the Ranger did before the Tremor package launched (or the Colorado before the ZR2 launched). Good truck, but the FX4 package just didn’t go far enough in adding factory capability off-road in a segment where off-road capability is a major buying attraction.

[@kingdingaling781]

@@adam_mawz_maas TRD Pro doesn't have a front locker. Which seems to be the main complaint of the Pro 4x

[@savillecreations8046]

I am no expert but I’ve seen other videos on KZbin where they had the Pro 4x on as difficult terrain and it handled it. So there’s that!!!

[@UltimateCARNUT]

lol terrible driving in that frontier. First of all you had already passed that boulder in the first attempt then you stopped the momentum. And obviously you dont know the rig, because the nissan has ABLS if you had just been smooth with your throttle application the nissan would have done its best impression of a front locker using the brakes.

[@lukestoyz]

I agree. Toyota’s Atrac works that way also along with the locker and does an excellent job as long as you modulate the rpm and hold the pedal steady. On this channel I have Never seen them show this. Even with their own FJ

[@pastoralzeus8133]

These guys are awesome. Been waiting for the off roading frontier vid

[@johnwicksgranny6276]

Ya'll need to leave Andre alone. I would love to see you offroad in a vehicle that is not yours that you are responsible for!

[@stevens15007]

Andre the car needs to figure out the terrain in traction control, you can't just accelerate and take foot after 5 seconds need to let the car figure it out.

[@Pizza626]

I knew the Frontier was gonna be a dud. At $44K this performance is unacceptable, especially when I can get better crawlers/offroaders at the same if not a little more in price. Ford Ranger Tremor here we come. Plus what are you really paying for? New engine? No. New frame? No? Big tires? No. Pretty interior? Sure I guess if you're valuing that over everything else. (Note: i was a previous owner of a Nissan Xterra 2006)

[@doctube2020]

Great video guys! Excellent camera work as well!

[@wally560]

Luv all of my fellow KZbin keyboard experts back seat driving. Shoulda coulda woulda. It’s a new truck review and he gave it several legit tries with different lines. Can’t blame ‘em for not wanting to risk damage (even minor) for the sake of ‘proving’ it can make it up one section. It’s not a modified vehicle with after mkt tires, lifted, air lockers, 35’s, onboard compressor for airing down/up, etc. The vid does a nice job representing the vehicle for what it is when it rolls off the dealer lot…imho, a very nice fairly capable stock truck. Sure, it would be more capable with a front locker, larger tires, more ground clearance, etc. but that’s not how Nissan built it & that’s the point.

[@pizzasaurolophus]

Are you one of the TFL guys? Nissan has ABLS which is like Toyota ATRAC. What would you think of watching a 5 min video of a Tacoma TRD where they never turned ATRAC on, complained about a lack of front locker and then sent a $65k bronco up after it?

[@Madtigertv]

I cringe everytime Andre go's offroad lol

[@robinpaglomutan9316]

It would be interesting to see how one of the Bronco's lower trim levels would do on same trail. Black Diamond with Sasquatch maybe?

[@evoemperor3776]

This truck's front suspension articulate better than most ifs equipped trucks even without disconnecting swaybar.