I Drove the Gas and Diesel Ford F-250 Tremor Off-Road, and THIS One is Clearly Better!

[@TFLoffroad]

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[@marinusdedreu3833]

What color is the diesel Tremor? Love that blue

[@HashMaster1776]

Was Ford upset about your mirror comment? Lol

[@donsisco7118]

@Coleen West i was wondering the same thing

[@peterpro2a]

Sorry to say but that course is weak bring it out here to El Paso TX and we will put them to a real test. The rock climbing out here is so tough that it will almost make you 💩💩 in you pants

[@Faq-ubeach]

@@peterpro2a YES!!!! IVE BEEN BACKED UP FOR DAYS!!!!

[@kieranbricker3278]

2040’s: my 17 yr old son bought a tremor for $10K Me: I really wanted one in 2020 but it was $80K

[@saifdn5961]

Hi im from malaysia. I love most of ford pickups. But ayy that f250 will cost more than 500k in malaysia 😂

[@tylerangle1990]

Yeah but by that time you’ll have a $500,000 truck and a tremor will be an old POS.

[@srpskabalI]

The world will be out of Gasoline and diesel by then, so I doubt that will happen. Electric Vehicles will be the future of this earth 🌎, said this in 2020.

[@rellort3005]

Aero for sure

[@dnsbb8033]

Aero ima start saving up diesel and gas from now on

[@billp5424]

I don’t want a worn winch, I want a new one. ( I promise not to use that joke again).

[@danatkinson6698]

I'm glad I didn't have to warn you about winch jokes lol

[@ldmtag]

Why not? Great joke! I trully like it!

[@NWI_Steel]

I chuckled. Lol

[@PupitoManuel]

Winch joke y’all talking ’bout?

[@nightfall22]

Lol

[@paulm6481]

That Tremor in blue looks lovely 😁

[@ryansheard8092]

It's beautiful! Got one in blue with the 7.3L.

[@mxracer78]

Blue Jeans is the color. Love it

[@ryansheard8092]

@@mxracer78 yep. That's what I got coming. Can't beat it.

[@Sig721Tau]

Paul M Lovely? No man ever uses that word to describe his truck. On your way out of the KZbin universe, turn in your man card at the exit door. Lol

[@tannerhartl5175]

@@Sig721Tau You got some seriously fragile masculinity

[@quasiczarcasm]

This really feels like a sales pitch for the 7.3

[@donsisco7118]

@SheepDog im in the same boat, 17 6.2 Love that 7.3

[@frankbatista]

Just bought the 7.3 last weekend! It’s a beast. I hope it turns out as reliable as they’re making it out to be. Because I literally just bet on it

[@adrianstube5951]

wouldn’t hold my breathe to any ford products

[@adamada101]

Don Sisco That’s what I have and I just bought the 73 tremor. Its awesome

[@TheMeanmarine13]

Or the tremor package

[@richarde928]

Gotta say, for a manufacture's course, this looks like an actual set of tests. Not just a bunch of easy marketing.

[@michaelking1869]

I would certainly expect the 7.3L to be easier off road since it has more off idle torque. The diesel has massive torque because of the 30psi of boost or so that it has, but doesn't make anywhere in the ballpark of the torque that the 7.3L makes off idle. People mistake the diesel torque numbers for being off idle, but they forget that they don't make that huge torque until the turbo spools. To see what I mean maybe TFL will show it when they get a chance to race them against each other. Race them both from a dead idle. The 7.3L will just destroy the 6.7L off idle because it's torque is a pedal movement away. The diesel is a pedal movement and a turbo lag away. I am a huge diesel fan, but always hearing of their torque numbers when off road driving is just someone who doesn't understand turbo vs natural aspiration power. I am a big GM fan for life, but this is the best truck to buy if you want a truck that can do about everything right from the factory. It's better than the Power Wagon and AT4. GM needs to get Eaton to develop a Truetrac for their front diff or offer the Front Eaton E-Locker from the factory. I would actually like to see Gm offer the Eaton Truetrac front and rear. With their Stabilitrac system it has the ability to make it work well under zero load which is the only weak point for the Truetrac and it would shine under every other point. The Gov-Lock is a decent design, but just not well liked and not a smooth operating system.

[@kennyhouston5101]

Lots of room in the engine bay for maintenace work on the 7.3L. I like that.

[@danielfish101]

And a supercharger

[@lambchopLSX87]

And turskies

[@lambchopLSX87]

Danosaur yep commented before reading yours! Lol hell there’s enuf for both and even some giggle juice on top just for good times sake

[@RockinRack]

That's good cause it's a ford gonna need a lot of work... haha jk! But seriously I will wait a year or two before buying any new engine to really know how they are going to hold up. Cant wait to see the bronco soon!

[@h2sx_riderqc]

@@danielfish101 just go NA you can get 600 hp and more easy with that 7,3 and still NA

[@joshuagodsey3731]

Can’t wait till they make a supercharger for that 7.3 gas it’s gonna be so nice to have a supercharged big block in a modern truck

[@countryjoe3551]

Whipple has a supercharger in the works for the 7.3. I can't wait to see the first one in action!!

[@Doomzdayxx]

Yes. How awesome it will be to make an otherwise great engine, into an unreliable paperweight after 100k miles. Genius.

[@cmadk3423]

I can't imagine your gonna see much of a difference between gas and diesel until you hook up to a heavy trailer.

[@chevydiesel350015]

I could tell a big difference between my 2016 gmc 6.0l and my 2019 ram 6.7. with a trailer hooked up lol

[@Sebastian-il5hn]

For 90%+ of HD truck buyers, a 7.3L is more than enough power. Under light to moderate loads, the 7.3L with a 4.30:1 might actually drive better than a diesel. Only under very severe hauling conditions would the diesel shine more, but most of us don't even have a license that allows us to drive with the full capability of either the 7.3L or the 6.7L PSD. Sadly, it's just meat swinging contests for most HD buyers. Having the biggest and the best is all they care about, even when they must overextended themselves financially to make it happen.

[@07slowbalt]

@@chevydiesel350015 what was the difference you had to hike up your dress to push the Dodge out of a ditch?

[@guyod1]

I was concerned 1,000 lbs Torque would be too much off roads and spin the wheels too easy but he didn't mention it

[@BarnStangz]

@@Sebastian-il5hn 100% 7.3 is the truck for 90% of the people that are going to buy this truck. Hell, it's just going to pound pavement and get McDonalds and maybe some cat litter at WalMart... BUT, if you're going to haul heavy stuff like a tractor or excavator, maybe a travel trailer all over the place in the summertime, the diesel will be a better option. People need to get over the whole, I got the most expensive options shit. These trucks are already stupid expensive, just get the one that makes the most sense with what you're doing!

[@trevorb555]

I want to see this vs power wagon in Moab!

[@mikemiller4169]

As a Wagon owner, I can't wait as well. Power Wagon don't care.

[@trevorb555]

Evil Mofo hell yeah. I own one. Out of curiosity i priced the tremor. Similar features to mine it was over 70!

[@miked7121]

This is a nice truck but doesn’t compare to the Power Wagon at all.

[@bobvincent4841]

Power Wagons In Moab 2020 May 4-8 2020

[@ajsturtz]

The Tremor will sell more and outwork the Power Wagon. End of story.

[@ridgewalker2416]

Having owned the best diesel Ford ever had, 7.3, I’m now a gas fan. Unless you really need to tow heavy and often, the gas will do the job at a lot lower initial cost, lower maintenance cost, and lower fuel cost. Unless you are very young, you will never live long enough to break even. Just my opinion and experience.

[@rxonmymind8362]

Just bought a 2012 Ford F-250 XLT V8 6.2. Love it. Love it. Love it. Getting roughly 15 mpg hand calculated over 90 miles commutes. Not bad for a 7,000 lb vehicle.

[@guyod1]

@@rxonmymind8362 What did the truck tell you ?

[@rxonmymind8362]

@@guyod1 Tell me?

[@guyod1]

@@rxonmymind8362 mpg

[@rxonmymind8362]

@@guyod1 That's 15 combined city and freeway. On some stretches it'll get 18 mpg on the freeway this on a commute from Sacramento to San Francisco. Flat and hills. So not bad. But over all a solid 15 mpg over two months of calculation by hand.

[@4kracing797]

I have the 7.3 Tremor and that thing flat out rips. Getting on the freeway, no problem, just tickle the gas peddle and you're at 75 before you know it! Not to mention how awesome the V8 sounds! Can't wait for a cat back dual exhaust system to hit the market. For you gear heads out there, this engine has that 'muscle car' fun factor.

[@colt4528]

4KRacing congrats what’s the gas mileage like on that truck? I’m liking it the more I see videos

[@jeffreyrogers8151]

I'm considering the same motor. How is the mpg? Do you actually tow and haul with it?

[@jacoblake2929]

Who gives a flip about mpg .. he said it hauls a$$.. if you want mpg buy a car 😆

[@jeffreyrogers8151]

@@jacoblake2929 um, yes I know. I own -3- ..3/4 ton trucks for my business. I was just curious about the new motor

[@DragonKnightX12]

I want a 7.3 Raptor, but a Velocity Blue Lariat Tremor will do.

[@HOSS5227]

12:41 He chooses the 7.3 and explains why.

[@jtill683]

HOSS5227 thanks fam

[@rodiperez7918]

Thank you

[@submnl450]

@Danish Construction Channel First of all, it's specifically for off-roading and the weight savings is an obvious choice; it's NOT about towing in this video. Secondly, America designed and produces BOTH the 6.7 and 7.3

[@Ultrafrozen]

@Danish Construction Channel Stephen is Canadian but I get your point.

[@AQS521]

Danish Construction Channel jokes on you, he’s Canadian.

[@AnthonyJ350]

Great comparison! A big offroad truck makes sense for people that work in oil fields, loggers etc. It's nice that Ford offers a gas and diesel so the customer has more flexibility but this video also shows why Ram always outfitted the Power Wagon with just a gas over a Cummins.

[@PistonAvatarGuy]

I remember driving my dad's 7.3 diesel offroad and it was very clear that the huge amount of weight up front was a serious problem.

[@MS-mr4zm]

Yeah but the range & TQ are appreciated, along w/ the better hot weather performance, really depends on the type of off-roading you’re doing, but if weight is an issue for ya then you’re 100% better off w/ an F150 Raptor over a 7.3 Tremor- more Hp/tq, less weight, better mpg & still 36 gal tank…..

[@KennyFoco]

If you tow anything, Raptor is out. The 7.3 is a perfect blend of all around capability. It doesn’t tow like a diesel, or as good off-road as a raptor, but it can do both very well when needed. Same can’t be said for the other two. Cannot take a heavy diesel seriously off-roading and you can’t tow 15,000 lbs with a Raptor. But you can do all with a 7.3 Godzilla with the Tremor package pretty damn effectively. It was designed to bridge the gap.

[@razgriz697]

I would be worried about all that extra weight with the diesel engine. Glad the gas engine performs well.

[@ldmtag]

I hope they will weigh their black diesel Tremor like they did with the Wrangler. Wrangler's weight distribution was not all that bad, slightly better than 53:47. Maybe this thing is about quite acceptable 60:40, I dunno

[@brianm1916]

@@ldmtag I can guarantee that the rear end of of a heavy duty is much lighter than the front. They are designed for towing a heavy trailer so the significance of weight distribution is different from a SUV or sports car.

[@ldmtag]

@@brianm1916 but in that same video Jeep Gladiator showed even better number. No doubt 6.7 diesel is much heavier than the Pentastar but F250 itself is a much heavier vehicle. I expect the weight distribution to be about 57:43, maybe up to 61:39

[@maximiliankern7503]

I love all this new technology, but it really does take away from learning and developing good off-road driving skill.

[@andrewprina931]

The 7.3 regular cab long bed weighs about a hundred pounds less then the 6.7. Both cast iron aluminum heads.

[@DUNEATV]

I’d buy a new 7.3 gas...but i can’t afford it. I’ll stick with my 99 7.3L

[@scytheakse]

02 for my hauler. 300l6 for my daily

[@DUNEATV]

scytheakse Sweet

[@cjchico]

07 6.0 here

[@jaretboston20]

DUNE YXZ you already have the better truck

[@MZEEJECKS]

99 7.3 6 speed @407000 miles

[@1manarmyguzman629]

That navy blue F250 tremor is beautiful!

[@americantrucknation4891]

This guy is the best reviewer of all the TFL guys

[@kevindavies2867]

You guys do awesome reviews , thanks so much . Finally so really feed back on the 7.3 , looks like the one to buy if you don't need that towing capacity . Great job !

[@ricwestdoesitwork]

Super review between the diesel and 7.3 gaser. Thanks for sharing Stephen.

[@atvrepairsandmore2482]

I did some research for people trying to decide if diesel is worth the cost or not. This is going to be for a base xlt 4x4 supercrew f250. The price with the 7.3 is about 50k and with the diesel it is 58k. (Add $8k because the 7.3 is $2k over the base 6.2.) I got these fuel numbers from fuelly. It seemed most people were avg about 12 MPG in the 7.3 and 16 MPG in the 6.7. This is a mix of people working there truck and doing highway driving. In Texas where I live, gas is $1.89 for 87 octane and diesel is $2.09. Based off the fuel mileage and the additional cost of the diesel, you would have to own the truck for 16 years and drive 20k miles a year to break even on the additional $8k for the diesel. That is 320,000 miles. The average person drives about 13500 miles per year. At that rate, you would have to have the truck for 24 years for the better fuel mileage of the diesel to break even with the gas. Obviously if you tow heavy everyday the diesel would be a good option but for most people the gas is going to be more logical in terms of financially. Over that 16 years though, the diesel is going to be more likely to cost more in repairs and maintenance also. Diesels are not made like they used to be and they simply will not make it to 300k with little to no issues like the older 7.3 powerstroke or the 5.9 cummins. Correct me if my calculations are wrong but they should be pretty close to accurate. I would personally take the 7.3 based on this and what I tow. Do not let all this sway you from the diesel because those new powerstrokes are awesome but they do come at a cost

[@brokenwrench404]

You should add in regular maintenance cost difference between the two in there. Then there’s the known problems with the injector pumps

[@armandovela4415]

6.7 are no joke seen them do some crazy shit at over 300k

[@robertchapman4488]

The tremor also has front limited-slip differential.

[@jonathanmueller2849]

While I get that LSDs work for general usage, I really wish they'd give the Tremor package an electronic locking differential. This is marketed to be for serious off-roading, not general usage.

[@marinusdedreu3833]

@@jonathanmueller2849 I think they did that for the work truck market, lots of patch guys and loggers will be getting the tremor package, and it's a better bet for them to put LSD in the front so that they can get the maintenance revenue from it. Ford always puts these little things in the new pickups designed to wear out during hard abuse because they make so much money from maintenance and replacing wear parts. 90% of stuff getting fixed/replaced on a new superduty is wear parts that ford specifically designed that way.

[@NickySull]

They have manual locking hubs 👀

[@robertchapman4488]

@@NickySull the tremor has limited slip front differential along with the manual locking hubs.

[@NickySull]

@@robertchapman4488 so its a limited slip axle until you lock it in. it just not an e locker. but it is nice that you have 4wd without having to get out and lock the hubs in

[@cameronr7223]

Really hoping the 7.3 is a long lasting motor, should be great long lasting work truck

[@bekabeka71]

Fuel consumption 30l per 100km?😂😂

[@cameronr7223]

@@bekabeka71 dont know what that means I'm not a communist

[@bekabeka71]

@@cameronr7223 lol 🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪

[@pryme2013]

@@cameronr7223 obviously a hick though.

[@alexs3187]

Mr M ouch. So much hate for no reason at all. Democrat? 😂

[@w.w.beason9183]

Would love it to have a front locker like a Powerwagon but the limited slip front looked liked it worked well!

[@cskipper65]

The limited slip is actually better. You can either put it in rock crawl mode or apply a light touch on the break and the front dif acts like a locker. Also you can drive it on the road in 4 wheel drive without tires barking in the turns.

[@brandonhuff6705]

Bought this truck with the 7.3 gas motor... 2 words f_ing awesome

[@jonmaciel4696]

Nothing is wrong with the power stroke but where it shines is towing but I’ll take that 7.3 V8 any day just because it has good torque power and is lighter then the powerstroke but you still get a good off-road truck solid front axle coil overs and a good power plant Big block V8 so therefore I’ll take the 7.3 and get a powerstroke to tow the 7.3 to the off-road course 👍

[@eyedunno8462]

Commas, please.

[@tinoreyes3382]

These trucks are great. I have a 2019 f250 6.2 FX4. I take my truck to work which means some lease roads and 30,000 miles and evap canister was full of dirt. Ford gave me a hard time with warranty. And said the trucks are not meant to be offroad like that.

[@pryme2013]

Yeah F250 trucks are only meant for grocery stores and the mall these days.

[@coltonwinkel510]

Same thing just happened to my old man's '16 f150. Not covered under warranty.

[@CopCat34]

Hmmmm. Seems as though as a pencil-neck-bean-counter was involved some how ....

[@tinoreyes3382]

Yeah its ridiculous especially how they advertise these trucks.

[@gen1c8rs88]

@@tinoreyes3382 Yep, Yep, Yep

[@TheSingleTrucker]

I've been loving 470 lb-ft torque since Jan '17. Superduty owners will be blown away by 1/2 ton nimbleness and torque on a superduty chassis!

[@cameronsoto4534]

I have 950ftlb on My 17 power stroke, and it movesssss. Those things are no joke, I bet the 2020s are even more ridiu

[@justmeowmwf3304]

Great review. I am having a very hard time deciding between the diesel and the gasser. My gut tells me diésel but the reviews keep saying gasser. Hmmmm.

[@nightfall22]

I wished you guys showed the 7.3 more. You gave it the better rating but almost every shot was the dark blue diesel. You showed way more shots of the diesel than the 7.3. I’m more interested in the Godzilla over the power stroke. But I am happy to hear it did so good on the course.

[@sersamgo8psamgo180]

Hey TFL Beardie: I'll bet that not only is the RAM PowerWagon beginning to care now, but it's TREMbling in it's ball joints right now.

[@eddies.l6593]

sersamgo8p Samgo the ram is at the shop getting new drive shafts lol

[@BeStrong-nf5nc]

Great comparison really like this guy, he knows his stuff and fun to listen too, he really makes the best off road reviews, keep em coming!!

[@danhambrick6331]

LOL...Big Steve giggling like a little school girl...

[@KTMcaptain]

TFL criticizes FCA for nondiesel powerwagon option... then says you should get the Tremor in gas citing essentially the reasons FCA have... hmmm 🤔 I completely agree. Weight is the enemy off road. It makes going over obstacles and through terrain more difficult. It places greater strain on your chassis. The HP is there, a little difference but relatively the same, and torque can be augmented through gear ratio choices. So you’re not giving up much capability outside fuel range, but carrying an extra 500 lbs of fuel would give the gasser vastly more range at the same weight albeit better distribution than the diesel. On road the diesel is king for efficiency, longevity, and capability. I’d like to see the tremor package reduce weight further with fiber reinforced polymer body panels and bed.

[@anthonysgarage]

Great video!!! Thank God dreams are free. I should be getting my first 2020 Tremor 7.3L some time in mid 2030. Hopefully there are still gas stations and not just a bunch of charging stations. Thanks for givin’ me something to daydream about.🤗

[@msokes9]

Can’t beat the power and sound of the diesel. 7.3 seemed impressive tho

[@siddharthsr1]

If you all make a review of the tremor diesel vs the gmc sierra at4 and the ram powerwagon it would be sick

[@DocyBob]

They just made one last week

[@DocyBob]

They dropped the video last week

[@brandonbennett6708]

Absolutely stunning truck! Great review! Great video!!!

[@goldranger6914]

Did you power wash your engine compartments with dirt? Those things are filthy.

[@aerbes1]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. Thought I was having a (power)stroke...

[@donleamon8653]

Steve: “get ready for some serious flex!” Tremor: lifts its right rear like a Tundra doing a bro flex. 🙄

[@Scott-hc2mv]

Duratrac tires are relatively quiet. I have a 2020 Tremor with 200 miles .

[@ryansheard8092]

Awesome! What MPG are you seeing?

[@Batmanstang]

Curious on 7.3 mpg as well

[@ryansheard8092]

TFLnow uploaded a video of an 800 mile trip with the 4:30 rear end and they got 14.6.

[@polarbear5740]

As they wear down they do get a bit louder,bit my bf Goodrich all terrains did the same also.The Goodyear's also clean out better in clay soil better then the Goodrich do.

[@pryme2013]

Only a couple hundred miles, so 50% chance its problem free so far. About 90% chance of problems before 1k miles. Built ford tough

[@unsc0212able]

There both good you just have more options with the 6.7 vs 7.3. Honestly though buy what makes you happy and enjoy it to the max. If it was me 2020 F250 6.7 Powerstroke diesel.

[@coreymurray8422]

Sounds like the 7.3 would be good to have fun with. The diesel would be good for tow an RV on the beach or off the grid somewhere.

[@downbytheriver501]

Love the new tremors. Seems like a great truck, but the 2" blocks in the rear? Did ford call 1990s dodge engineers and ask them for advice on how to save a few bucks? "Axle wrap? Nah, never heard of it..."

[@DH-hp7nv]

I would say it depends on what type of off road scenarios you are putting the truck in. If off road means terrain like whats in this video then i would think the torque of the diesel would be more ideal. If your off road means flat ground and a crap ton of nasty mud (not just clay colored water) like what we have down here in the southern US, i would think that the gas engine would be more ideal because of less weight overall. I can say from experience that my 17 f250 powerstroke is heavy, and even with 35” trail grapplers, has been stuck several times in my fields. It doesn’t take much for that heavy front end to start digging.

[@SavageKNG]

I’ll stick to diesel!

[@84patking]

I would take that gas motor above that modern diesel. As the diesel ages, it will be an absolute nightmare to do repairs. Looks like they packed everything in tight under the hood.

[@chrisrobinson3494]

"The best never rest"!

[@nocoolname32]

just mounted the tremors 285/75/18 duratracs on my f350. no suspension mods needed, insane traction!

[@daveloderhose874]

Great job as always.

[@anthonysiegel4685]

Wow awesome weather,GlAD Too See The FORD ONE UP THE GMC

[@davidsande2342]

Gotta love the nose camera, sure is nice to see where you are going.

[@DURTYMAXLML]

I have to admit Ford is bringing it , A front locker and winch! Chevy hope you're watching! Awesome video once again!

[@james2042]

All people do is cry to get a cummins in the powerwagon, but now that ford releases a tremor with the diesel, people instantly pick out the gas engine as the best offroader, automatically justifying the engine choice of the powerwagon all along

[@Brenny627]

Because people know that a big block ford is a cool engine and that Chrysler engines are garbage.

[@james2042]

@@Brenny627 I got a 5.7 hemi that's just fine with 101k miles on it. Mom has a 5.9 magnum that has 243k miles on it. I dont get the hate for Chrysler vehicles.

[@Brenny627]

James Mastroianni magnum v8s were great Chrysler gets knocked today for 5.7 cam failures and exhaust tick and a weak auto trans

[@racerboi77j]

With off-road applications, the lighter weight of the gasoline engine up front is money. What you give up on overall torque, you make up in throttle response and having less weight over the front wheels. Front end components will thank you for choosing a gasser to go off-roading with, as well.

[@simontallboy209]

I'm hoping to see a good side by side test on the 7.3 gas vs the diesel for mileage numbers. I think you're right, the diesel will do better, but the modern diesels aren't getting great mileage overall. Plus with the price of these trucks it's easy to see why guys are keeping their old trucks and fixing them up. The prices on old Rams with the 5.9 and the old Chevs with the Duramax aren't falling any time soon. Great work, keep it up.

[@racerboi77j]

Also, in most locations, diesel is about 40 cents higher per gallon than gasoline, and then you also have to worry about DEF, which is about $3 per gallon, although you will probably consume about 15 gallons of DEF every 5,000 miles. Just to gain about 1.5-2 mpg empty. Plus there is the emission equipment that you have to worry about. About the time that you break even with the costs, you will have to worry about replacing a DPF, which is another $8,000 piece. Diesel makes sense if you are going to be towing big loads long highway distances, not so much in other applications.

[@simontallboy209]

@@racerboi77j Diesel is actually cheaper where I live, but you hit the nail on the head about emission equipment. I drive truck for a living and the emission controls have been a problem. Mind you the Hemi seems to be having some lifter and camshaft issues. Hopefully o avoid those

[@josh5528]

If I'm driving around 70 to 80mph in my 2020 f250 7.3, it gets around 13.4mpg. If I drive at 60 to 65mph in eco mode, I see 18 to 20mpg. This is all highway driving.

[@dubbayou1]

Tremor with Carli suspension

[@ordinarygamer1353]

I agree

[@michaelmckinney5954]

Love my 2019 Platinum 6.7 with the Carli Pintop and 37s! 🇺🇸👍🏼

[@DannyParkerDirty]

I drove them both and the 6.7 diesel is the way to go. I tow everyday do it wasn't much decision making for me and I don't retreat it a bit. Just the lower price of diesel fuel will pay for it over time. I also like the 13 qts of oil better. I think it will keep it washed and cleaner..myself. I drove the Dodge with the Cummings first thing and the Ford 6.7 blowers it out of the water. Last TRUCK I'll need to buy.

[@jordanstephenson525]

2:56 the milkdud absolutely killed me🤣😭😭😭

[@austindavis1696]

This guy seems like a King of Trucks.

[@johndoe-bk3de]

Love all this new content!

[@qx4n9e1xp]

Wow, very great presentation Stephen! I know which one to tell others to buy now. 🤣

[@michaelphipps4313]

Excellent review 💪💪💪

[@wilsonkasunga3358]

To be honest it is a matter of preference and needs. In my country diesel fuel is cheaper to buy and most of my needs are towing and highway driving thus I need the diesel torque and fuel efficiency. Where as I got a friend who drives his truck unloaded with no towing his truck of choice is petrol powered.

[@sleim754]

Yes the fuel economy is better with the diesel, but the fuel cost is substantially more and maintenance is.... well gee, just break the bank to change the oil and oil filters on the diesel and more often I believe than the gasser.

[@David-rx2to]

Absolutely...that $8000 diff in price will buy a lot of gasoline.

[@willvaughan5734]

I change the oil in my gassers every 5k miles and every 10k for my diesels. So it really evens out as far as oil changes go.

[@David-rx2to]

@Will Vaughan Does it really? What do the oil changes cost per vehicle?

[@bakerthree6r]

The 7.3 is gonna last a long time. Like zero plumbing whatsoever.

[@sixshooter4570]

Nice truck, love Fords but I'm going to keep my......Raptor!

[@selrandolph]

Understandable

[@StoneysWorkshop]

that quiet speed control is really cool

[@01saved]

Note to self: “Pop the hoods and show off the engine compartment BEFORE we take the trucks off road so they don’t look like trashy used fleet trucks!”

[@mikenettle7655]

I know I’m a year late, but he doesn’t mention that the 7.3 has 4.30 gearing vs. the 6.7 that has 3.55. That is why it is doing so well off-road.

[@ninioburbuja]

I am waiting to see what kind of supercharger kit for that 7.3L Banks, Edelbrok and Hennessy come up with :)

[@danielparraz1155]

I was thinking the same thing - will be interesting to see a boosted 7_3

[@jdock694]

I've been thinking that ever since I heard about the roller valve train. it would be a beast.

[@TheSingleTrucker]

Early reviews had the engineers explaining that the internals were forged to accept more pressure than N/A.

[@michaelmeyer1310]

When I considered the cost of the diesel v.s the 7.3, and the cost of diesel fuel it was a no brainer for me. I’m not towing anything heavy so really didn’t need the diesel. Either motor is awesome

[@TruckCamper]

Would you update with the actual tire height measurement? Curious if it really measures 35" as specs show....

[@samueloshea6546]

Those engine bays are detailed nicely....

[@NickySull]

Jesus have fun detailing those engines bays for 15 years

[@fomocowboy]

Just in time to pay them off!

[@daviddesadier9154]

Love your videos! Would love to see you do some of these test in some base model vehicles to see the difference in all the options that your paying for or not paying for.

[@KTMcaptain]

7:30 he really doesn’t understand the difference in how these engines generate torque. The gasser probably has very similar off idle torque than the diesel since it’s larger, but the diesel has more efficient combustion with more energy dense fuel. The difference in torque will come when the turbo spools, and also the gear ratio differences between the two vehicles. The diesel and gasser are not making 1050 and 475 ft lbs all the time, and the diesel needs the turbocharger to get its torque up there; so the diesel lags with producing torque.

[@JahyMoonwalker]

who cares what the idle torque is? it doesn't take long to build RPMs. TFL did test the 2020 ford diesel on a dyno but I didn't get a clear look a the chart, but it would be interesting to compare gas vs diesel results directly. obviously the diesel isn't needed for offroading but it is significantly more powerful and trying to write that off is ridiculous.

[@KTMcaptain]

Joe people who have actually off-roaded understand what it means to have torque at very low throttle positions. Not just off idle. The engines don’t make peak torque unless they’re at a specific rpm and at full throttle. And the diesel is only about 10% more powerful and requires full turbocharger pressure to reach it while weighing nearly 8% more. So No it doesn’t have “significantly” more power. And if you read you’d also know I distinguished the fact that the diesel lags with generating torque due to it being dependent on the turbocharger. Huge amounts of torque off-road isn’t actually useful. Watch the video and you’ll rarely hear any turbo noise meaning that truck doesn’t come close except for the hill climb to producing its peak torque value. It’s the low gearing that provides control and torque.

[@Icutmetal]

@@JahyMoonwalker Who cares? People who understand what off-idle torque means care.

[@KevinHuff23]

Everybody cried when they saw the specs of the 7.3L, I knew that it was going to be a monster work horse engine! The best part about it is the reliability, as long as Ford didn't complete screw up existing technology then these should run relatively trouble free for a long time.

[@sh0cktim3]

Its built ridiculously tough. Good maintenance should get easily 300,000 miles.

[@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix]

People didnt realize the torque curve, and that's what really sets this apart from the others. It has a very flat torque curve and the torque really comes on strong in the low rpm range where you want it. This thing wont have to be revved sky high to keep up with traffic when towing.

[@lukeandrew900]

Diesel any day. I have a feeling it’s less complicated and will be a longer lasting engine in the long run

[@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix]

Shoot, they're way more complicated these days, and the powerstroke is a nightmare to do even the most basic of repairs because how its packaged. I feel sorry for the poor guy that owns one put of warranty. Labor charges are astronomical, that's why I didnt buy one, or a duramax. I didnt want a v8 diesel because of how poorly packaged they are under the hood. I didnt want a Ram but that Cummins inline 6 is much easier to work on. Never even considered the titan xd because the Cummins in it is a v8 and I assumed it would be just as bad under the hood, until I looked under the hood of one. I couldn't believe how much space there was to get to everything! You could literally change injectors without removing anything. Same with the serpentine belt. Butt tons of room. Changing a water pump, alternator or and accessory would he a piece of cake. You can reach behind the intake and touch the transmission Bell housing and bolts. The valve covers, injectors and fuel rail are right there looking at you! You cant even see the valve covers on a powerstroke. I knew I wanted more than a half ton but the more I looked at the xd the more it fit the bill. I didnt need a 3/4 ton but I wanted something I could tow and haul with on the regular. The XDs capabilities were perfect, tows with the same stability as a 3/4 ton with a smoother ride. It's not a 3/4 ton so I don't really compare it to one, but, the difference between the xd and a half ton is remarkable, especially when towing and theres a crosswind. I've put over 40,000 miles on it so far and no mechanical issues. Hopefully it will last. D3l3ted it soon after I bought it so that should help the longevity of the engine.

[@jessegordon3829]

The way I see it is the 7.3 has instant torque because it’s n/a which will make it feel better off-road but the 6.7 has the turbo to pull anything

[@robertolivarez2604]

That diesel will keep it's value far longer then the gas

[@maxsjoberg788]

GW English?

[@leadnsteel1428]

I just hate the modern emissions crap on diesels... dpf, def and def injectors, def tank heater, tons of extra sensors what could possibly go wrong. also def freezes in the cold winters

[@oil1252]

@GW learn English first

[@cameronsoto4534]

I have 52k on my 17 power stroke XLT here in Texas, and I bet you I could still get around 50k for that pickup. But god damn I love it, I’ll drive it til she dies

[@atvrepairsandmore2482]

ya but is it really worth paying a extra 10k for that? Plus more expensive fuel, you have to pay for def, expensive oil changes, and expensive fuel filters. Plus modern diesels are so complex that they cost a fortune to fix. You could probably have two crate motors in a 7.3 for the price of one diesel rebuild. The only way to really get your money out of a diesel is if you are towing everyday because then the extra 2-3 MPG will add up. Or if you put a lot of miles on your truck but if you are driving a lot with no trailer you mine as will get a half ton or a car. I just do not see how your argument makes sense when factoring all of this in.

[@frankmnowickl9010]

Love that big gaser

[@9663mu]

Nice video guys. Also feel inclined to say I’m very disappointed that GM didn’t do more to their AT4 HD like this tremor. Like more tire and more ride height. Why call it an AT4 if it’s not really off road worthy ? Like the tremor and power wagon.

[@donleamon8653]

Got some purdy tow hooks thou... 🤣

[@bhughes9258]

I have duratracs on my f150. Love them!!

[@briangregg5748]

That blue 👌🏼

[@6bt_str86]

"And for just a wee bit more dramatic effect...we put a dozen empty 5 gal buckets in the gassers bed " 👍😉

[@WhoIsThisGodPersonAnyway]

Great review, would love the gas!

[@damiangrouse4564]

Wow! Ford is now finishing their engine compartments in FDE camp!

[@aaronbritt2025]

I hope MSHA doesn't see this video. That guy standing on the Cat 988F while it's moving is a big fat fine.

[@leroyj9044]

Some things i wish ford would offer in their trucks Diesel hybrid: even if it were a mild hybrid system it could still help the MPG Rear wheel steering: Rear wheel steering really has a boat load of benefits from better traction control, anti trailer sway, lower tire wear, an even better MPG and higher tow ratings. Weight and size reduction: New trucks are massive... like my 85 f150 is smaller in all dimensions than a new ford ranger including weight.

[@smokeyj3983]

I live in Arizona, where is that trail? That looks like so much fun.

[@smokeyj3983]

@Брандон Кeллeр I did not sorry

[@reagan3857]

For anyone wondering about the real world, I have a 2008 f350 5.4 (4x4) with a set of duratracs that I got about two months ago. Best tires ever. On highway, mud, snow, rain... anything. No reduction in fuel economy (it gets 9.8mpg average anyway) Only downside was the price $1,184 including tax and installation for a set of 4. We'll see how long they last but right now, I think I got what I paid for.

[@ryansheard8092]

Question, what is the payload capacity of the Tremor with the 7.3L? I know max towing is 15K but payload limits all that.

[@gregdettling3600]

Yes Ryan I’m curious about that as well. Thinking about buying this version and using it for a camper as well.

[@jamesbeaman6337]

F250 or F350? What trim, cab config and bed length? 4x4 or 4x2? It all makes a difference on payload.

[@ryansheard8092]

@@jamesbeaman6337 you can only get the Tremor in 4X4 with the 6.5 ft bed and the Super Crew Cab. The Lariat is what I got as a trim level

[@gregdettling3600]

James Beaman I’m curious about the F350 XLT Trim Tremor payload which is only short box 4X4 Crewcab.

[@jamesbeaman6337]

@@ryansheard8092 Right you are. Totally forgot about the cab and bed length limitations for Tremor.

[@cheezebegay5396]

Love this guy pitching the bias opinion as possible and driving

[@jammin60psd]

So much air in them tires

[@David-rx2to]

On the REVan Evan channel here on YT, they do a tear down of the 7.3 gasser engine to see what it's made of and report they got "just under" 600 HP with a cam swap and a new intake manifold.

[@roadglide1142]

Glad I’m not cleaning those trucks ! Lol 😂

[@dreadnoughtprime6301]

Professional detailer for a Ford dealership...me too. Lol Although, some degreaser and a power washer would help.

[@danbrown8310]

well I am sure the 67 is amazing but I have a 2021 7.3 and love it only issues we're at 27,250 miles spark plug wire issue but it was covered under warranty and a power steering issue at 60,275 miles also covered under warranty do to recall I tow between 8,000 to 14,000 I do think if you tow more than 15,000 get the Deisel but again I love mine

[@user-sc6le7ez9r67]

Loved the video until the recommendation. I guess Ford engineers figured it out. Oh well, I'm happy with my 6.7 and won't change.