2014 Ram 2500 6.4L HEMI takes on the Grueling Ike Gauntlet HD Towing Test

( www.TFLtruck.com ) The 2014 Ram 2500 6.4L HEMI Heavy Duty pickup truck is incredible capable towing tool but just how well does this gasoline HEMI powered truck pull when loaded to the max at two miles above sea level? That's the core of TFL's grueling Ike Gauntlet torture towing test and that's the mountain that the 2014 Ram 2500 has to scale in this latest Ike Gauntlet video.
How did the big Ram do when compared to the Chevy we tested earlier this year?
The Ike Gauntlet is a timed run up one of America's steepest highways from 9,000 feet above sea level to the top of the mountain at entrance to the Eisenhower Tunnel in Colorado.
Watch this video to find out.
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[@HuntingWolf82]

I think what happened and I could be wrong was when Kent manually changed the gears on the shift lever it stays in manual mode where the user must do all the shifting. You have to press and hold the gear up button to shut it off and turn it back into automatic mode. That is why you could see the number six the whole time next to the D symbol. It only shows the gear number in manual mode. Just a thought

[@crabjoe]

I happen to own a '14 Ram 3500 and can tell you that just because it's showing 6 doesn't mean it won't shift on it's own. If you set it to 6, it just means 6 gear is the highest it will go. Set it to 4, 4th is the limited gear. It will go to 3, 2, 1 and all the way back to 4, if need be... It showing 6 isn't the problem.... BTW, I know my Ram would kick the butt off the one in this video, going up this hill with the same load.. But then again, mine has a Cummins w/Aisin...

[@stevencash3774]

I'd like to see how the 90s trucks big block gas engines do on the ike gauntlet vs these new trucks. It would be a fun test of time. Chevy 2500 454 vs F250 460 vs ram 2500 488 V10 (dodge didn't have a big V8 at the time). All in perfect working order, not as hard to find as one may think. Off the line towing honestly will probably be better in the bigger engines but might not be as fast due to less peak horsepower and an obvious downfall in MPG due to engine mass. I'd really love to see it.

[@Icutmetal]

I have a 1997 F350 4x4 regular cab, 5-spd manual, and 3.55's. It just passed 37,000 original miles, and I recently installed a full Banks header-back exhaust system. It's a complete dog; runs out of breath real quick, and is like driving a farm tractor with leaf springs down the highway.

[@m7machines738]

I wanna see one with a Chevy 350 a ford 302 and a dodge 318

[@movingapollo1927]

I don't know technology has improved quite a bit since then

[@hunteredwards1345]

Have you never driven a 454, they are by no means a dog.

[@WilliamStewart1]

Hunter Edwards The 454's that came in the trucks were slow as all hell, good grunt down low but no power above 4000rpm. The 460 was a better engine in my opinion, but still a dog above 4000 RPM, even better bottom end though.

[@yamen16]

Ram designed the truck to not exceed 4200 rpm under high pressure to increase the longevity and fuel economy of the truck. This was said by Ram. They would rather you have a slow truck that lasts, than one that pushes the motor unnecessarily. You're still getting to where you want to go. It'll just cost you less in the long run.

[@406Steven]

Indeed. The other trucks will run right on the red line all the way up the hill, but do this day after day and they'll throw a rod through the block (saw a Tundra do this trying to pull too much weight uphill). Better to play it safe and slow down a bit. You'll lose some bragging rights at first but when your engine keeps on running when the others are blown to bits you'll get the last laugh.

[@jimmy4x4socal44]

UnsulliedSpy .... I tow with my 2012 Chevy 4.8l gasser, I tow 7k lbs every weekend up a long steep grade and I run it hard near redline and it’s never had an issue. It’s got 190k on it now and The last thing I’m worried about is it “blowing up”. These engines are designed and tested to run long periods at high rpms. Part of owing and towing with a gasser is learning not to fear the redline. Just run the heck out of them. And enjoy saying 10k otherwise fork out the money and get a diesel.

[@Scourge63]

So use a higher gear for a better result with lower rpm?

[@scottleggejr]

@@406Steven You're saying this about the LS engine? cmon man...

[@marynapier3962]

u must be a ram fan

[@blackopsrocks]

I can answer the question, no it did not go into REP mode, but I'd be willing to bet it hit cat overtemp. PE (power enrichment) is designed to keep the engine from knocking and keep cylinder temps down when your under ALOT of load. The computer takes a good guess at the catalytic converter temp, what I bet happened is as soon as it went over the limit it started pulling timing so i could slack up on the fueling, the more unburnt fuel the hotter the cat...which is bad. What killed the power is the timing..you could almost watch it pull timing starting about 4 minutes into the run and it became progressively worse, even the engine tone changed.

[@rocketj7449]

This feature is a deal breaker for me! I am not driving 30 mph up a hill in no truck. That's down right garbage. Get this fixed, I could possibly own a ram 6.4 gasser.

[@blackopsrocks]

It has been fixed, ram switched to a much larger cat and changed the cam profile for better breathing.

[@cage9]

This rings true. I've had the 2015 version of this truck for about 6 months, towing a 10K TT around the country and this is 100% how it behaves on hills. Runs great otherwise. Any idea if there's a remedy??

[@blackopsrocks]

@@cage9 not really, Ford chose not to release an update for the ECM because of possible emissions equipment damage. They did investigate it, concluded the algorithm that guesses how hot the cat is tends to be pretty accurate. If the cat was larger maybe? All turbocharged gas engines have a pretty serious PE (fuel enrichment) to protect the engine, and this causes extra stress on the converters in turn. The solution is a naturally aspirated or diesel if you subject the truck to this kind of load consistently. IF its occasional, then its operating how its supposed to.

[@USAF-SF]

You had the truck in manual 6th gear for your climb, should have just left it in auto with the tow haul kicked on, and let the transmission select it's own gearing. Leave the manual selector alone!!!

[@jimmy4x4socal44]

Michael Gorham it’s a lock out not a manual gear selector like the fords have it should be able to downshift

[@dieselmutt8865]

What he set was a maximum gear lock that keeps it from going higher than that gear. It doesn't keep it from downshifting below that gear. It's a 6 speed tranny so it was allowed it's full automatic range. The only reason he set that is it gives the gear display on the dash so they new what gear that tranny was pulling in.

[@vh3531]

Looks like it was taken out of tow haul and then the manual shift was messed with. I think that it might of been out of tow haul so it never hit the rpm to shift to 2nd.

[@abdullaghubash]

I think it would make it up the hill faster if you left it in Drive/towhaul instead of manually selecting a higher gear of course its not going to downshift!

[@nabberify]

Can you guys do a review on a 3500 Ram 6.4 hemi on the gauntlet.

[@crackerjack9120]

Hey guys, I enjoy your test. I have driven about all the big boys in gas and diesel. To give my experience with the test of gas engines, my GM 6.2L 1500 was a good truck that drove nice and rode comfortably, but it did not manage heavier weight very well with mods and add ons. I moved to a F350 6.2L gas, but it did not pull well for me, and rode terible. I found a 2015 Ram Longhorn 6.4L 3500 that I still drive today. I pull a toyhauler tipping out at 11-11.5K lbs. The family loves riding in it. I love driving it empty or pulling. The Ram pulls uphill just fine, not as good as a diesel, but the best gas engine I have had. Mileage is better than the GM 1500, and much better than the F350.

[@CasaDeGomez]

Thank you for the creative and entertaining reviews TFL!

[@TFLtruck]

You are most welcome. Thank you for watching!

[@H-RutherfordHill]

It'd be great see some of the older models get tested. I have a 2002 Suburban 2500 with a 8.1 big block and 4.10 rear end. So far it looks like getting a gasser Ram would be a downgrade.

[@csh000]

I have a 2008 Suburban 2500 with the 6.0 and 6 speed tranny with the 3.73 rear end. It's good to know that with a rear end swap to 4.1, the drivetrain can handle the weight better than the big hemi.

[@bryanmartinez6600]

we have a 2001 5.4 expedition with a 3.55ls and towed 10k amazingly well i think during its time the 5.4 made the best torque

[@WilliamStewart1]

Shawn Hudson This was a tuning issue with the 6.4, Ram fixed this with a ECM update last fall. These 6.4's will out pull an 6.0, that's for sure. The 6.0 is more like the 5.7 Hemi, love to scream to make power, the 6.4 (when not in limp mode like you see here) makes a good bit more down low.

[@anman424]

Is this an update in a newer model year or can you take it in to get updated? Also calling it "limp mode" gives limp mode too much credit. I would call it reduced power mode. True limp mode never gets over 2k rpm and 15 mph or so.

[@nathanmcdonald610]

@@bryanmartinez6600 5.4L's were always decent low end torque engines, but they traded having low end torque for high end horsepower, as a Ford man it pains me to say this, but they usually couldn't win race's against 5.3L Chevy's but they could certainly out tow them.

[@aaronbehindbars]

The Chevy 6.0 has always been a strong running motor, even at elevation and I am talking about the first gen Silverado HD circa 2000. I was driving US 50 between Salida and Monarch Pass and was impressed with how well one was dragging a 5th wheel camper up and down the hills. Mind you, this had a 4 speed auto.

[@ricardorobles6157]

Is not fair when comparing with the silverado because you used an open goose neck trailer has better air dynamics than a bumper pull horse trailer it should be the same trailer

[@PokedNStroked]

My '07 5.3 Chevy struggled with its own weight much less towing

[@Mohammadkwt]

waiting for 6.2 super duty test .

[@BBTthetank]

They did use MrTruck's own 2012 superduty with the 6.2 when comparing to the raptor 6.2. But otherwise yep i'm waiting for a 2015 super-dude!

[@Mohammadkwt]

BBTthetank except it's wasn't 2014 model test , see the difference ? as for 2015 super duties they can wait .

[@BBTthetank]

mohammadkwt There isn't much of an update for the 2015 superduties. The powerstroke gets a larger a turbo and a few other tweaks, but that's it. Since these are all gas trucks, a 2012 is no different from a 2014 or 2015.

[@ThePhotographyHobbyist]

30 MPH? That's a little embarrassing...given that the EcoBoost was over 60 MPH with just 2,000 lbs less (that was just above its towing capacity)

[@ThePhotographyHobbyist]

Mike Hammer I thought about it. Base weight of the Platinum EcoBoost they tested is about 5,700 pounds and they towed 10,000 pounds. EcoBoost had higher geared rear end which is a disadvantage (3:73). Ram is around 6,400 base weight, geared lower at 4:10 and towed 12,500 pounds. Overall I guess the Ram had about 3,100 pounds of extra weight to pull...if I'm looking at all the specs right. I'd be curious to see how the ecoboost would actually do with the extra 3100 pounds, but I have a feeling it would be able to stay well about 30 MPH. Anyway, I realize these tests are not always apples to apples comparison and not always how people would use the trucks, so in some ways these tests are not really all that useful in determining how each person would have their needs met by each truck. But....you have to admit, that little V6 is impressive and outruns and out-pulls many, many trucks in all classes. I'll never be towing anything very heavy, so heavy duty towing doesn't really matter to me. Fuel economy and comfort/overall power mean a lot to me. :-)

[@ThePhotographyHobbyist]

Mike Hammer Ok. Well, these tests are fun to watch but they may not be relevant to how many people use the trucks every day. Someone in the middle of Iowa may not be overly concerned with driving up steep hills with max payload and towing because that's not a situation they would find themselves in very often, or at all ;-)

[@tommyp974]

19:43 The car in the middle lane came really close to almost hitting a motorcycle.

[@caseylrand]

Love how a truck pulling a big ass camper blows their doors off. Wtf??! Love the show but I wish you guys would take some time to explain why this truck was so slow.

[@dodgeguyz]

You guys did something wrong! There is no way that truck should have been stuck in first. The problems started when you played with the shifter. You stuck it in manual mode! You should’ve retried the test in full automatic mode!

[@duelsporthonda9003]

I love your videos! Thanks guys! You help me with my next truck purchase.

[@philllsxga.7737]

And I'll write it again.. horse power and tow numbers mean nothing on paper... GM's put the power to the ground more efficiently..

[@armandopacheco-soto3592]

Yea 20 years ago dib shit 😭😂

[@cristello94]

Would the slow time have anything to do with when Kent manually changed the gears at the beginning of the run?

[@joe1071]

He didn't manually change the gears. He was messing with the electronics to display which gear he was in

[@hondak24z2]

Just watch that temp. gauge you can really see how hard it was struggling

[@jockosboy17]

I was about to say the same thing. Either that truck has something wrong with it or the engine puts out way less power then it is rated at. Looks like a nice truck but that run was weak.

[@thundercamel]

You could see the coolant temperature gauge climbing to the 3/4 mark. Maybe the ECU pulled some power.

[@turbotransam1980]

I love how this so called hemi lost out to chevy 6.0 Vortec in this competition. GM v8 v8's will always be superior.

[@AlexMartinez-vc5rl]

Does anyone else see how the truck was overheating at the end, how come they didn’t mentioned it?

[@windstormsel]

my observation from this video is that if they wouldn't have messed with the manual gear on the shift there would have been significant results he tried to cycle the screen from the gear shaft where you cycle from the steering wheel controls and I speak from experience that when I tow on my RAM 1500 I like to rest my hand on the gear shaft and sometimes it goes into manual mode and that will play a significant role when your transmission cant go either up or down in gear due to our fingers. that's my two cents

[@knightrider1545]

I disagree, the power of first gear plus the torque converter multiplication and the rear end I mean really think about that First gear.

[@1234567890ZETA]

+The Fast Lane Truck I just took my 6.4 Hemi 2500 4x4 on a 4,500-mile road trip and I was averaging 18.5 MPG on 78 MPH avg on interstates and this is with the 3.73 rear end so I was getting at least 500 plus miles range on a full tank of gas.

[@sergiofranco684]

Paulo Abesamis really? that's crazy good. I'm looking of trading in my 08 1500 4.7 for a 16 2500 6.4. I get like 11 mpg avg with my 4.7 because I tow a trailer alot. do you recommend the 6.4? I tow like 3k to 4k lb almost on the daily.

[@1234567890ZETA]

If you tow everyday but not tow super heavy loads yes I suggest getting the 6.4 Hemi. That's my daily driver, I drive like 4-5 miles to work so my fuel consumption is 10-11MPG, BUT I've seen it do good when driving long distances, it loves to stay in the 1,600RPM range too. But with what you tow you should be good with the 6.4

[@maxinelaurita8916]

Paulo Abesamis I bought a 2017 heavy duty 4x4 with the 6.4 Hemi in it about a month ago. I think something may be not working right on it. I went camping last weekend and it only averaged 9 mpg at about 65 mph!!!! I was towing a 30 ft RV that weighs in at about 8k lbs. And in town I only get about 11. I figured I wouldn't get great gas milage but this thing is a hog!!!! I thought maybe I would get somewhere around 14/17 but not even close! It also sounds like the front end is gonna fall out when I put it in 4 wheel drive. The shifting is terrible. I traded in a 2015 Ram Laramie that got 27 mpg on the highway but to be fair it was the 6 cylinder engine. Just needed a bigger truck but couldn't afford the deisel.

[@MrKeyboardCommando]

With the advent of Andre, Roman should change his handle to " Yesterday's Man ". Or, maybe, " Ichabod ".

[@USAF-SF]

I can't believe you guys can't figure this one out, put Nathan back behind the wheel when you do your testing, he knows how to drive!!!

[@sashashpiruk4865]

I just bought a 2019 ram 3500 6.4 with 410 rear 4x4 standard cab. Towed 7000lbs from NJ to SW Florida and got 12 mpg running 65mph @ 1800 rpm.And to top it off I'm a diesel guy and this truck really impressed me. Current mileage on trk is 2300. Towed like as if it was a diesel.

[@Cjrm3gtr]

Sasha Shpiruk was it with the 8 speed transmission?

[@sashashpiruk4865]

@@Cjrm3gtr yes.

[@Cjrm3gtr]

Sasha Shpiruk nice bro I get like 10.5-12 towing a 14’ trailer 7500 lbs gvwr in my 17’ Ram 2500 diesel 4x4 automatic around the city and highway average I wish it had more gears mpg would improve.

[@sashashpiruk4865]

@@Cjrm3gtr my 02 ram 3500 diesel dually gets around 13-14 pulling 36 ft gooseneck two car trailer loaded. But has 5in turbo back exhaust no muffler, cold air kit and 355 rear. Love those older 5.9s

[@paulviola4582]

What’s your average mpg unloaded?

[@zeppelin67637]

I love the looks of the Rams over all the rest. I'll just put it in tow haul, and run 60mph lol

[@515ventures3]

I need to get me a cowboy hat!

[@hendo337]

The reason the 6.4 lost is the RFE trans. It's not a true 6 speed automatic. It never uses 2nd and 3rd gear sequentially. It's 1st gear is taller than the Ford and Chev a 3:1ish ratio vs a 4:1ish ratio, it doesn't have it's ratios close enough together to keep the engine in the power band. Even though this Ram has 50 more hp and tq it lost because of the transmission. This just proves the point I had in the HD gas 0-60 video. The Ford 6.2 with more hp than the Chev and a better trans than the Ram WOULD certainly be the Ike Gauntlet winner. The Ram 6.4 is avaliable with a true HD 6 speed auto in the cab and chassis version a unit made by Aisin and the pickup HD Ram 6.4s desperately need that Aisin 6 speed.

[@rumerboyz]

Is the 5.7 ram a better choice if I'm not pulling heavy loads? Does it have the same trans as the 6.4? Thanks

[@Mebob2001]

hendo337 obviously your a Ram fan, your right transmission is a huge change here, the next 6.0l from GM will be direct injected and 8 speed transmission, which will make it a towing monster. but in the end of the day ALL the trucks will get the job done pick the one you like

[@hendo337]

Wrong, don't like Rams. Had a 2013 F250 6.2, now have a 2013 Caprice PPV 6L.

[@TheSavage3.6]

That is the light duty 65RFE that doesn’t use 3rd. This is a 66RFE with a shorter 1st (3.23:1) and uses all 6 in normal driving.

[@lucasholma8350]

how could an engine with that kind of power and torque not be able to go over 40 mph even with the grade and the altitude

[@MrBakerskate1]

I love my ram 2500 it’s a great truck

[@jeffhorton8737]

i love the big horn model. more rugged no luxury. i want this model sometime soon. after trading in my 04 F150

[@roberthungate8129]

Maybe the trailer brakes were dragging ,they thought the trailer brakes were not going to be so hot going down the grade . But so surprised to hear Andre with the temp guage after the descent test . Why would the Trailer brakes be 280* if Kent didn't think he used the brakes enough to be so hot ?Makes you wonder .

[@vh3531]

My dad bought a new trailer and it had drag on the brakes. His controller wasn't even connected. I think they were adjusted too tight. Trailer breaks can and do drag and stick.

[@MegaTechpc]

This was a painful video to watch guys! Soemthing was clearly amiss with this Ram as there is no way it should've let you get down to 30mph before shifting down to 1st! I can't believe you guys actually were doing 25mph on the freeway! None of the other trucks I have watched take on the Ike have performed this dismally. Hilarious how many other trucks were just wizzing by you guys near the end with huge trailers!

[@JohnDiMartino]

I agree,something is seriously wrong,that truck couldn't even redline 1 st gear, it was barley holding 4000 rpm! What was next stop and use low range 4 wd,at least you'd have better gear spread.also,truck seemed like it has 3.54 ratio ,I know you said 4.10 but it sure didn't perform like it.

[@kennethlaw5216]

sounded like a couple dodge fan boys there the whole way, all the sudden what hsppened? do we have a flat? not very impartial there

[@dchawk81]

Willing to bet those trailer brakes were pulling you back on the way up, as hot as they were on the way down.

[@AndrewTewes]

I like Mr. Truck you can tells he actually knows what he is talking about, and it nice to just listen to the stuff he has to talk about.

[@mixsignal91]

Why is that 6.4 down so much on power? Its rated at like 470hp 470tq or something like that, in the charger/challenger

[@sooners1994]

They are two different motors with different components. In the Charger/Challenger the engineers are more worried about high power and performance, where as in the truck the engineers want different power bans and increased longevity.

[@hibbasc1]

I don't know what the recommended tire pressure is on this truck (front/back), and guessing these are D-rated since this is a HEMI and not a Cummins. I did notice at the 5:00 mark, the front tire's PSI are 63 and 65 respectively, and the rear PSI at 72 and 73. I do know the tires have a max psi of 80, and typically the fronts are aired down a little less than the rears, but is 63 and 65 too low with this kind of load? Would 70 up front and 75 in the rear have provided less rolling resistance and better results? I know a few PSI can make a huge difference ..... curious.

[@KnightAtomic]

Almost seems like your trailer brakes are partially engaged the whole time. I would check it since the Temp was so high coming down.

[@revistadearmas]

0-60 both trucks empty just for the fun next time I think dat vortex would kick a##

[@WilliamStewart1]

They already done it a while ago at a Ram test day were Ram provided them a 6.2 F250, a truck like this, and a 6.0 2500. The 6.0 2500 was the fastest by the way.

[@hendo337]

William Stewart Incorrect, the Ford 6.2 was the quickest from 0-60. Watch it again. Chev 6.0 was slowest empty 0-60, Ram 2nd and F250 6.2 was 0.4s quicker than the 6.4.

[@WilliamStewart1]

hendo337 The silverado was the only one to get into 8 seconds.

[@hendo337]

I was referring to the 0-60 tests they did at the Ram trucks event when they released the 6.4 in 2500/3500 a couple years ago and they were provided with one of each on the same day, place, temp and did the 0-60 tests on the same section of road. The Ford walked away with it and it had 3.73s vs 4.10 in Chev and Ram.

[@WilliamStewart1]

hendo337 ohh ok, I'm just going off the stats on them.

[@navseal345]

Why!?! Maybe try it again, please? But a definite answer from a Ram engineer would be nice. Mopar fan in case you didn't guess.

[@dreadnoughtprime6301]

I am not a big fan of Dodge (I don't hate Dodge either) but I was still hoping for better results. I was expecting better results, more like.

[@richcreager7877]

Waiting for 7.3 gas test before I purchase new truck

[@TravelswithYoly]

As he cycled through the EVIC display it showed tire pressures 5 psi below the recommended maximum. Might be a factor.

[@Clint_the_Audio-Photo_Guy]

A 25 minute video that takes an hour to watch because there's a commercial break every minute and a half. Sheesh.

[@clonetrooper1116]

Maybe the ram was in cylinder deactivation mode after all Lol!

[@jameschance5507]

I would like for fast lane truck to display the temps in the transmission and radiator. I have yet to see them display any temps. The heck with the MPG. You didn't buy these trucks for MPG you bought them to pull.

[@arbiter1]

So this truck is SUPPOSED to have higher towing capacity yet took 1min30sec+ over the chevy. I did kinda skip some video so don't know what they said was gear ratio if they did. I think chevy has proven that even with less power its not about having more its How you use what you got.

[@arbiter1]

tamenga88 Yea I think has to do with power curve, I have seen torque graph of corvette and those LS motors keep near max torque from around 2500rpm up to like 6000rpm. Where in the graph was vs viper it was more dodge didn't do that so much. it was more of a raise til it got near max for only around 1000rpm range. Could be a lot of things besides that.

[@3rdGenGuy]

arbiter1 Was that compared to that 6.0L HD 2500 or the 6.2l?

[@JohnDeere50d]

Sanic it was compared to the 6.0 2500

[@zimks]

True that! The diesels are the same way chevy has the least but still can easily keep up with the power stoke and cummins

[@franksanna217]

TFL, We are ready to see the new 2020 2500 6.4 with the 8 speed, 4.10 . Please do another run up the Ike in the new truck. That 8 speed should have completely different results!

[@jameswkndmechanic174]

I saw what looked like a 3/4 ton truck & fairly large travel trailer zoom up the hill past them. It may not have been hauling 12,000 lbs, but it looked like about 8,000-ish. So I think something went wrong with the gearing on the Ram. Possibly when he was fiddling with it.

[@myers326]

Imagine how bad the Chevy would have beaten it if they would have manually shifted the Chevy and backed off the throttle. Ran=Junk

[@1guyin10]

The moral of the story is: if you have to cross the rockies get the Cummins. Its amazing how the hemi can work as well as it does at lower altitude and then struggle mightily at high altitude.

[@BBTthetank]

Yeah it isn't JUST about the diesels, it's about forced induction. The F150 ecoboost performed exceptionally well with 9000 lbs. MrTruck had trouble keeping the speed *under* 65 lol!

[@1guyin10]

BBTthetank Imagine what a small EcoBoost V8 would do, especially if they built it with the compacted graphite technology they used in the 2.7? In a word: Stout!

[@BBTthetank]

Kane Smith Aaahh sweet!!! The results are out now????? I haven't looked yet!

[@BBTthetank]

1guyin10 Fuck yeah dude!! Imagine a 5.0L ecoboost stuffed into a mustang.... giving me goosebumps! Hell even the 3.5 in the mustang would be stupid fast! But it wouldn't sound good. That's the *ooonnly* thing I don't like about my truck, the ecoboost sounds sooo wimpy! Like a souped up minivan.

[@johnnyo032003]

BBTthetank I think Ford could go a lot smaller than that like a sub-3.5 v8 and make a ton of power with ecoboost...

[@1234567890ZETA]

+The Fast Lane Truck you should do a highway MPG for this truck, or if I have missed that episode I'll look it up. I love watching your reviews and enjoy watching this one because I have one but with 3.73 rear axle.

[@1234567890ZETA]

It's a nice truck, while it's too early to review it or praise it or rant it I enjoy this truck for the most part.

[@rockymtndieselrider1133]

AWFUL place to pull over to check your brake temp!!

[@JustinMeyers-Plasticmonument]

I have this model... Kinda wishing I got a diesel. This thing slugged it's way up that hill. Wonder how long a gas engine can take that type of abuse? Staying in 1st/2nd gear for that long doesn't seem good

[@alanack67]

It will do it, but a cummins will do that everyday and still run well past 300K

[@hamuzahmutebi4464]

Justin Mwrheyers

[@k.r.v.4219]

Justin Meyers however that’s the biggest difference between the 5.7 and 6.2/6.4 Hemi, the internals in the big Hemi ate forged crank and rods, along with pistons I do believe. Plus the exhaust valves are sodium filled for cooling. The big Hemi is built as a HD engine. But I’m still amazed at the Chevy 6.0!

[@shockracer]

These engines are built to be tough. The biggest area they have an issue is long term idleing.

[@K2Nemesis]

Alan I guess it depends on frequency. If you tow once or twice a year, a diesel is a waste of money. More than that, for sure, you should go for a diesel.

[@JohnS916]

John S 1 second ago I used to be a Chevy person, but since I bought my 05 Dodge Ram, I'll never go back. One of the major things that bother me about Chevy trucks is their interior fit and finish and how things just start falling apart or annoying rattles driving you crazy. My boss had a newer model Chevy long bed and we would use it to transport items to a tradeshow in Vegas and the regular driver pointed out about 10 things on the interior that just seemed to detach themselves, it was hilarious to see so many loose connections that simply pointed to poor materials or inadequate attention during assembly. That alone was enough for me to not to even think about buying Chevy when I'm ready to upgrade. I've had older Chevys in the past as well, one stands out as the biggest POS was my 78 Suburban. Anything and everything failed on that truck and I dumped a lot of money into it before finally waking up and cheap selling it. On the other hand, no one squeak or rattle from the Ram truck in 135K miles. I had one issue and that had to do with a sheared exhaust manifold bolt, otherwise problem free mechanically, in this context I've been impressed with the quality of how the interior components fit tight and don't fall apart. In regards to the video, I can do without the guy in the passenger seat overtalking his partner and trying to be the entertainer, I want the cold hard facts and less drama. But, I have heard of issues here and there regarding the 6.4, most of which dealt with poor fuel economy. Like many have said here, the test results just seemed to contradict the capability of what this truck brings to the table on paper, it's as though something was wrong somewhere in the mechanics or software, I hope some official from Mopar was watching because this makes the truck DOA in the mind's of many prospective buyers. If it were me considering a truck that required to pull loads like the test vehicle, I wouldn't even consider the 6.4 or any gas motor for that matter, this test and conditions screams diesel all the way.

[@possumfarms5549]

Just got set up. Pulling with 2017 ram tradesman 4x4 6.4 hemi. Travel trailer scaling in at 12,000lbs.... Y'all had me nervous and yes 3.73 rear end and yes up the blue ridge mountains.... Traded in a f250 6.4 powerstroke.... The truck pulled amazing!!! Never got below 60 mph up hill never got over 4000 rpm. Pulled hills twice as fast than the desiel... Averaging 10.1 miles a gallon! Truck is amazing!

[@jakey20022]

6.4 hemi great engine period

[@lazarevic95]

Wow that’s awesome, still happy with the truck?

[@dontrae12jemison12]

Josh B. Try 2017 F250 6.7

[@jakey20022]

@@dontrae12jemison12 the Cummins diesel still gets better fuel mileage than the Ford diesel.

[@poobank]

Can you please do a gasser video of the chevy 8.1 vs the Ford v10 for towing. Would be a great data point in the debate of best gasser tow vehicle

[@dchawk81]

Iron Dumpling. LOL. I dare you to say that on CB.

[@skwerlee]

Seems like something must've been wrong with that truck

[@MrThrashin]

just bought a 2017, night and day difference from the ftl comments. ram fixed the exhaust and it is very throaty. gobs of power and pretty good fuel econ when mds kicks in. also the new ones, even in my tradesman have a tow feature where you can lock the tranny into a max gear. meaning when going up or down a hill you can set it to not upshift. example, dont go above fourth. this solves the hunting issue that my ford had.

[@andrewcanrinus5186]

just bought one of these, live in Alberta. I couldnt be happier. On my day to day driving its almost equal to my previous f150 with a 5.0L, but the mileage towing is way better, also a much better drive!

[@scottleggejr]

😂🤣 The rule of 3's! 33mph, 3mpg, 3% grade.

[@survivalguyfyi5718]

In my opinion the RAM beat out Chevy because of the better MPG. I care more about fuel economy than arriving somewhere 1 minute later. Also, didn't the RAM win on brake temperatures too?

[@KungPowEnterFist]

1 min 13 seconds slower up the hill is pretty significant. The Ram 6.4L is supposed to produce something like 50/50 more HP/TQ. The Silverado 6.0L should not have had a chance here. 0.3 MPG difference is pretty much a tie, just like 15 seconds difference up the hill would have been a tie.

[@luisreynoso9210]

I wonder why the truck was struggling so much, also I notice the coolant temperature gauge when up almost at the end of the video

[@brennerfarms1683]

I own a 6.4 Hemi truck with 20s and 35s, all I’ve done was put a magnaflow muffler on and a s&b cold air and mine has amazing power especially down low. I will say mine seemed to gain quite a bit after the cold air intake in higher rpms almost like the factory intake was suffocating the engine at higher rpms. But it still had more ass from factory than any gas truck 3/4 ton I’ve driven including 6.0 and ford 6.2. In the end though opinions are like a**holes...everyone has one.

[@KungPowEnterFist]

I test drove a 2018 Ram 2500 6.4L 4.10, 2018 F250 6.2L 3.73/4.30 and the 2018 Silverado 2500 6.0L 4.10. The F250 was, by far, the most sluggish on 3.73's. No one should buy that truck with that gear ratio. You pretty much have to get the 4.30 gears and then plan to immediately plus up 2 sizes on the tires, as the 4.30's are too geary on stock tires. So stupid. The Ram and the Chevy were about the same, and I could not notice any significant engine performance difference between them during the unloaded test drive. Chevy had a little better throttle response, as they always do. But the Ram had the same overall get up and go. Unloaded they are a tie. However, this video blows my mind. I would totally have put my money on the Ram at max or near max loading.

[@Elongo82]

I feel so much better about my 6.0 vortec now that uphill was awful lol

[@Brian1996akatree]

Pay attention to the rpms on any ram truck the power band is not until 5000rpms

[@AmericanSirenProductions]

I bet a 2003 Chevrolet silverado 2500HD 6.0 could do better . By the way trucks should be utilitarian ...not have all the features of a Benz all them features = more weight .

[@jgelhaus]

I have the same truck--nearly identical setup and I can confirm the same behavior. My trailer is only 9500 lbs but in the panhandle of WV it certainly was a challenge once you lost momentum.

[@cage9]

Same here...30 mph on steep grades towing about your same trailer weight. Frustrating.

[@SirtubalotTX]

After watching this, I'm pretty convinced the stocm tune has much to do with this and was holding this thing back. Of course, I would also like to know what the temps were like during this run. I would really interested in how this thing would do with a proper tune.

[@blubb7711]

America is crazy... driving with a truck on the midel line with 100-120km/h O.ô

[@dam4274]

At 21:50 an F-series flies by you pulling a Cruiser Aire rev trailer. Would that be a diesel going so fast?

[@dchawk81]

Super Duty yanking a light bumper pull camper. No surprise it was hauling ass by comparison.

[@ShlomoGoldenstein]

Did anyone else just close the video when he said "gas engine"?

[@desertfox2020]

No, because the title has 6.4L Hemi in it, which is clearly a gas engine. If you only want to see the tests of diesels, there was no reason to open the video in the first place.

[@notasolution]

desertfox2020 owned

[@fredmott2376]

Shlomo Goldenberg little guys need diesel engines

[@TWIZTTID]

Just stupid.....

[@Ram-re5em]

Just remember what this engine is. This 6.4 HEMI is a 5.7 just stroked and is not a big block. I would have hoped for a big block gas engine and not a band aid for this 6.4. This truck is very heavy and really need a big block or diesel endine.

[@cainhager9814]

We have a 16 with the 6.4, its a powerwagon so it has low gears and a 2.5 in lift on it. I love that truck, it'll pull anything and you won't even realize there is a trailer behind you

[@Hillsidelanscapemanagement]

21:50, that guy pulling the RV didn't just pass you, it left left you. Interesting time on that 6.4. Disappointing for sure.

[@JamesWindland]

So the Silverado beat it with an older tech engine, with the new direct injection 6.2 it will be even better. This should be the last year for the 6.0 in the Silverado HD.

[@mertz313]

James Windland 6.0 will never die!

[@oisiaa]

Be sure to completely close your strap ratchet handles to lock them so they don't release.

[@TheCobruhAlienat0r]

I wonder if it would have changed gears if you let off the gas and then floored it again. Though I know you wouldn't do it for the purpose of staying consistent but for anyone else I wonder if that would help. That'd have me really worried about getting hit by someone by going so slow.

[@wvcorvetteman]

This was a terrible performance by the 6.4. Needs an 8 speed transmission.

[@jakey20022]

Should get one on the new truck when they announce it in Detroit in 2019

[@Will-gk8je]

You got your wish sir

[@BBBYpsi]

What about wind comparison? When you did the chevy wind at back. How much wind? This can make a big difference in your test result.

[@michaelneuhaus4432]

Did you have water thing in Chevy bed it's a wind block

[@jbell2018]

wow apsulutey terrible the 3.5 ecoboost could have done better then that

[@m7machines738]

Joel Bell the 2.7 can do better lol

[@anman424]

Any turbo will excel in high altitudes. Another youtube video had a chevy square body with a brand spanking new crate motor and it simply chugged and stalled going off road at 5000+ft, they were forced to get fuel injection just to keep it going.

[@m7machines738]

True

[@titantitan8750]

Put that 12,500 pounds behind the f150 Ecoboost and it will put all three gas powered 3/4 trucks to shame.

[@zimks]

You're dumb..

[@titantitan8750]

zimks How is it dumb? There are tuned f150 ecoboost trucks pulling 15K. A motor with a peak torque curve of 2500RPMs will always tow better than one that reaches peak torque 3500-4100RPMs. Not sure why none of you internet cowboys can get this through your heads.

[@zimks]

F150 are not designed to haul this much weight. Sure maybe you could get up the hill a few times but from a longevity stand point something is going to give! There is a reason ford doesn't put the ecoboost in 3/4 ton trucks. Fords puts them in trucks for the most common Dailey driver that can get decent mpg not tow 12k on a daily basis. And Ive never seen an ecoboost haul more then a boat or a singe axle trailer let alone 15k

[@titantitan8750]

zimks "F150 are not designed to haul this much weight." Correct, however the 3.5 EcoBoost is capable. I believe that the f150 Ecoboost can tow 12500 pounds better up the IKE Gauntlet than the gas powered 3/4 tons. The fact that this 2500 Dodge is rated at 15K and can hardly tow 12.5K is sad. I hope there was something wrong with this truck.

[@zimks]

its not how fast you can tow something its how long you can tow something are semi's the fastest vehicle out there no but they can haul big ass loads with less problems, thats the point of these 3/4 ton vehicles

[@MrJohndeere3720]

i love that color. :) ill take a cummins over a gas any day.

[@Mohammadkwt]

brown & beige ram double colored is better also .

[@MrJohndeere3720]

mohammadkwt ya i like those double colored ram's 2.

[@MrKeyboardCommando]

What the fuck is this " Ideal Homes " ?????

[@Mohammadkwt]

MrKeyboardCommando joking or not picking the right color for your truck from exterior to interior makes your truck look more better instead of having typical color .

[@MrKeyboardCommando]

mohammadkwt I know, man, I was just having a joke. No hard feelings.

[@gabrieliannozzi7935]

special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2014/08/ultimate-three-quarter-ton-hd-challenge-eisenhower-pass.html Even though the ram won the overall test by a good margin pickuptrucks.com found the same results towing the gauntlet as well. Apparently the ram doesn't like thin air at all because it dominated every other towing test. Here's the all the test for comparison special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2014-ultimate-three-quarter-ton-hd-challenge.html

[@rxonmymind8362]

Wow. That sucked. However,. I'll never tow 12k l s maybe 8k at the most so this truck would be perfect for me if I find on the used market with low mileage. I think.

[@brandonmcfarland5200]

You Would Go With The Cummins I6 Better Than The 6.4L HEMI When Towing Up The Hill Between 10,500 LBS & 13,800 LBS!

[@daviddouglass7662]

Untill you get your first $10,000 diesel repair bill!! Injectors, Turbo, DPF, no thanks. Been, there, done that.

[@mike02207]

What a total gutless piece of shit. Im impressed in what fiat has done to improve Chrysler but my 5.4 with a 4r100 would hold that or faster. Especially if it had 4.10 or 4.56 gears. This truck is 13 years newer has 2 more gears and almost twice the hp. Just out right sad. Lets see an f250 with the 6.2 do it.

[@jackwilliams5474]

I just bought 1 of these...awesome!

[@vincentrobinson8056]

1#[]2015 dodge ram 3500 dually has 385HP and 865TQ tow 30'000 pounds2#[]2015 ford f350 dually has 440HP and 860TQ tow 31'200 pounds3#[]2015 Chevy Silverado 3500 dually has 397HP and 765TQ tow 23'200

[@briangleeson1528]

Hey, TFL! Was there a difference in transmissions between the two trucks? Different model, different number of gears? Also, how about a crossover with TFL Classics. Maybe run a 20 or 30 year old truck up the Ike, to see how things have changed.