6.4 HEMI Engine Failures Common Problems WATCH OUT.

In this video I go to my buddies shop to look at some common problems he has been seeing on the new 6.4 hemi ram trucks like the 2500 and 3500. Its sad to say but looks like they have some problems just like there little brother 5.7. I also test out some new degreaser from super clean on some very dirty wheels and boy did it to a fantastic job.
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[@FrostbiteRam]

Not trying to scare anyone as you all know I love all the hemi engines. Just be aware of what could happen in the long run🙏☝️👍 if you live in GA and need help with this repair contact me on instagram@frostbite_ram or my Facebook @frostbite ram

[@anonimous2451]

Wot if'n I libes in VA?

[@hmb_jeff561]

Gm the same way they eat lifters too

[@FrostbiteRam]

@@hmb_jeff561 they sure do 👍

[@mitchkrivokucha8938]

M 0 c

[@cgordon4949]

The new 6.4 hemis have problems too with the lifters…?

[@r.l.j3789]

I work at dodge. The main reason this happens is lack of maintenance. If you’re not doing the oil change with the proper oil every 6k miles that’s on you

[@Yahusha77]

The change engine oil light comes on around 8000 miles. So actually you are wrong. If you don’t change your engine oil at 6000 miles, it’s not on you, it’s on Ram. This is a purposeful design flaw. These engines continently fail after the 100,000 mile warranty. Shame on Ram, shame on Hemi. Money rules them

[@r.l.j3789]

@@Yahusha77 manufacturers recommendation, and the proper maintenance intervals are two different things. I don’t give a damn when the light comes on, it’s the customers responsibility to get it maintained properly. The machine is fallible and can clearly make mistakes. My Honda won’t turn on the oil light until 15k miles lmao. That doesn’t mean I’m gonna do the oil change every 15k miles. Your argument is baseless and dumb. Also I make sure to tell my customers every 6k miles to come in for an oil change on full synthetic vehicles or at least once every 6 months if they’re not driving it enough

[@Yahusha77]

Well if they can’t figure out when to turn a simple light on, then I doubt we can trust them to build a reliable engine. These vehicles are designed to drain the customer of every dollar than can get. And only 6000 miles for 0w 40 full synthetic. Come on man

[@ReignRegime]

I do oil changes every 3k miles on my SRT jeep 392 hemi. Lifter still failed at 53k miles, manufacturer warranty covered it so that was great. My opinion is that it comes from excessive idling, the lifters don’t get much lubrication with low oil flow under idle as opposed to rolling around 20mph or 2500rpm. The 6.4L has moved the camshaft up a few inches compared to the 6.1L. My second thought is that they are just primed to fail, no one with aftermarket lifters has this issue.

[@nhines4206]

I change my oil at 3,000-3,500 max. My truck has 21,000 miles and is at dealership right now with oil consumption issues. Uses 4 quarts of oil between oil changes. My truck is my money maker and I maintain it more than recommended.

[@e.l.9589]

My job does the maintenance every 4-5k miles regardless of oil life left. Regardless of manufacturer GMC, Ford, Ram we've never opened an engine. All have gone to 300k miles+ before California has us replace them for newer emissions.

[@homershoots]

That's what happens when you don't use 0w40 and the trucks idle for more hours than they are putting miles on them

[@derekheuring2984]

Truth.

[@markforee7693]

You guys need to start using Amsoil. Why not get the best for the best. You won’t be disappointed. I started using Amsoil in my air cooled Harley’s back in 09, Amsoil far exceeds everybody else’s oil. I have used it in all my vehicles too, it’s life and longevity to your engine. Fully synthetic, runs cooler, lubricates better, last longer. My Hemi 5.7 has 190,000 miles on it, using all Amsoil in it, runs like a new one.

[@brokenarrow6491]

I use Castrol gtx and mine has 190,000 on it too lol

[@jlbush8249]

@@brokenarrow6491 However, his may run far longer than yours. LOL

[@ronradmer3573]

My 2016 Ram 6.4 had the #5 lifter seize at 150k. All new lifters, cam, spark plugs, original parts and labor at the dealership, just under $5k. Oil changed every 5k miles. It just happens once in a while. With a couple hundred thousand lifters manufactured, a small percentage of them have failed. But even if 1% of all lifters manufactured fail that could equate to 10% of the motors being damaged. We can't blame the motor, but unfortunately it just happens.

[@easttexasengineering3489]

Ron, I wish all people had your mentality.. your comment is very correct, horrible for this to happen but it is only 1%.

[@NJ_Scat_Hemi_Orange]

150k miles and only a single major fix of >$5k? Not that bad of a risk. Hemi's idling for extended periods of time in Landscaping trucks is probably a strong negative factor

[@tripac3392]

Six trucks owned by the same person Idk how you can justify it being just a few machine parts out of hundreds of thousands. I guess that's your idea of reliability that to each their own. My idea of liabilities 230,000 300000 mi no problem.

[@jamesdumas6602]

I'd suspect that the root of the problem is caused by DIRTY OIL. Running it more than 5K miles between oil changes.

[@jacobstrutner8232]

Nope. I know of trucks that ran full synthetic with 3,000 mile intervals that eat lifters.

[@MrStaybrown]

They don't use specified oil, even certain synthetics don't meet requirements. Alot of people go conventional and the damage starts.

[@connor4961]

The hemi has a issue with oil starvation at idle so if you idle your truck a lot then it’s bound to munch a lifter.

[@tosterland65]

The real problem is mds just like afm in GM it’s garbage

[@donleamon8653]

You mention milage in the videos as a rough estimate, but more importantly, what are the idle hours on these engines?

[@deborahchesser7375]

That makes a big difference, I worked for for the motorcycle training program in my state and when we sent bikes to auction they had low miles 2-4K, but all the hours they sat and idled is still run time. So basically double the mileage and that’s a lot on a small bike before overhauls

[@wirebrush]

This is what I'd really like to know too. I suspect this is a bigger problem in the south where people idle vehicles to run the air conditioning.

[@Prestiged_peck]

@@wirebrush 100%

[@berardoferrari]

@@wirebrush or the north to run heater. no difference.

[@microminiskirt]

JUST THINK ABOUT THE POLICE CARS? THEY IDLE THOSE CARS ALL THE TIME, RUN THE AIR CONDITIONERS. THEY WOULD KNOW THE WEAKENESSES OF THESE ENGINES AND FACTS ON LIFTER FAILURES ETC. IT BE INTERESTING TO GET A REPORT ON THEIR RECORDS/MAINTENANCE RECORDS.

[@krismurphy1235]

I am running a 15 ram 3500 6.4. Bought it with 69k i now have 137k. 40k of the miles i put on are towing my toyhauler camper loaded at 13,500 lbs. I have change my oil at 5k every time myself. Pennzoil 0w40. It has ticked since the day I got it and still ticks the exact same way. I run nothing less then 89 octane. I know for certain that running 91 will maintain my speed better towing my rig at 55-60mph. My truck hates that speed with the camper in tow. She is very happy running 65-70mph. I will note that my oil seems to be a bit darker at oil changes now then when i first got it, but it is not jet black.

[@biglineman3434]

Although long idle doesn't help. Oil break down is probably a factor too! The one thing that stands out the most to me is MDS. It is my belief that the MDS affects oiling of the lifters and cam! Recomend MDS delete!

[@anonimous2451]

Oil breakdown has nothing to do with it. Y'all are not diagnosing the problem correctly. These lifters need Axle Oiling to better lubricate cam lobes and assist Spring Pressures available from Johnson Lifter AND the MDS Delete. The Crankshaft uses oil fling method of oiling the upper head and adding a direct line oil lube to both valve covers would do a better job ESPECIALLY at idle. What I cannot fathom is WHY would Dodge/Chrysler allow this to continue for so long without a design change OR a boosted oil pump at lower RPM to solve this issue. Even at 150 mph the oil pressure never goes above 56 psi. There must be some happy medium available or install direct head lubrication. If you own a 6.4 are you seriously concerned about fuel economy? (or even a 6.1 or 5.7 for that matter)

[@diamondheat9]

The MDS system utilize a small oiling port in the cam( or was it cam lifter) to allow the MDS to shut down certain cylinders while motor runs. If it gets clogged it causes a part to lock up and seize so even a MDS delete won't prevent this unless you replace the cam

[@anonimous2451]

@@diamondheat9 That would be the lifter my good man.

[@diamondheat9]

@@anonimous2451 ty

[@SWAMPSAVAGECO.]

I bought a 2014 2500 with the 6.4... as soon as I had it a day, same problem. And it sat at the shop for 3 weeks. I got it back for 3 days and had to put a transmission in it. I love the truck I have it still and no issues now 🤞 besides the gas cap curse.

[@shomari17]

What is the gas cap curse?

[@jimmyford271]

All commercial vehicles should have hour meters and have there service intervals set by hour not miles

[@FrostbiteRam]

That could definitely help possibly

[@ChristopherWilliams-cp5zf]

Yes that’s why Chrysler changed it to hours not kilometres And miles. The oil temp runs really really hot in hemi’s and breaks down quicker than normal oil change intervals. So by the time you go to get a oil change the oils cooked The detergents and the viscosity of the oil too.

[@ChristopherWilliams-cp5zf]

Also sitting at idle a lot starves the top end as these engines have weak oil pressure at idle for the size of the hemi.

[@glaffoon1]

My truck has an hours run and an hours idle. The recommendation is don’t idle. You need to get the RPMs up above 3k frequently to get oil on the lifters. I make it a point to get my Hemi well above 4K frequently. Mainly because it sounds so damn good.

[@onerahtokonmc7703]

Ram suggest 350 idle hours as a service interval over an odometer reading

[@Dexter_Solid]

Its been said it comes back to oil changes, and most of these failures on are on long idle hours fleet vehicles, being changed at mileage instead of engine hours. When mine in my power wagon goes, I'm doing MDS delete, and using the blanking plugs from the old 5.7 HDs.

[@donellmuniz590]

Blanking plugs? What are those?

[@Dexter_Solid]

@@donellmuniz590 The older HD 5.7 hemis in the 2500, and 3500 were detuned and had MDS removed, though the cavities still exist for the solenoids, all Ram did was put caps on them, so the lifters were constantly bathed in oil, essentially eliminating this type of failure. The MDS solenoids basically controlled the oil gallery surrounding the lifters, if they never activate the lifter doesnt get much lube, but the caps have no provision to block the oil so they're always full.

[@dacemccormick2285]

From what I understand, it’s caused by the low tolerance within the engine cutting oil supply to the lifters. Not exactly how true this is though. I was told that there’s a plug to check for metal shavings somewhere in the engine (can’t remember where). If you check it, and there are shavings in the screen, the engine is done.

[@cwbjr18]

You are absolutely right. My 6.4 is on it second lifter and cam replacement.

[@microminiskirt]

@@cwbjr18 🤑😱🙀🙈

[@halftonhotshot]

Not sure if anything is changed since the year of those motors. But I'm running a 2019 classic. 5.7. 304000 miles without an issue. Oil changes done every time the oil light comes on so and we're between 8 and 10000 miles and my truck regularly halls every day between 4 and 8000 pounds. The only thing i've had to replace is a battery. Original transmission original rear end original engine. Haven't cracked a boat on the motor yet.

[@1119-w3u]

The reason why these fail is because they slack on oil changes. You gotta change the oil really early on these 5.7 and 6.4 HEMI'S.

[@SantosProd]

How early? I've been doing a oil change 5k increments

[@robstatetx]

It is actually the design of the engine, the cam is too high and the oil draining from the heads doesn't flow enough down to the cam. Idling is what kills these more than oil change interval. The cam gets starved at low rpm and once the damage starts it snowballs. These are good engines, but not if you are going to idle for 30 minutes at a time. If you are going to idle for more than 5 minutes just shut it off.

[@MrStaybrown]

I have 6.4 hemi with no issues, my sister inlaw has a 5.7 hemi and she has the lifter issue. The difference is I use the proper oil and she went conventional oil because the lube joint told her its just as good.

[@Pickleram]

I've been lucky I guess,155,000 no problems. I will keep on using my 5w30 amsoil every 7000-10,000 miles

[@FranciscoGarcia-rg5nj]

I change mine every 2500-3000 lol

[@FrostbiteRam]

You should be good you have custom cam and non mds lifters right.

[@Pickleram]

@@FrostbiteRam no mine is still factory

[@FrostbiteRam]

@@Pickleram thats right just tuning my bad

[@roadglide1142]

Do you run 5W-30 in a 6.4 or 5.7?

[@dasboot9471]

GM and Ram have been all plagued by this problem because of MDS…well documented and not a surprise at this point…eliminate it or get another truck every 100,000 miles, which is why they continue to use these systems, most people don’t keep the truck that long so they don’t care, especially after warranty period

[@anthonyc993]

I bought a new 2016 6.4 hemi in 2016 and it had a knock since day 1. I traded it in with 16k miles on a cummins. Now I have a new 2020 ford f250 lariat with the 7.3 gas. I was gonna get another ram, but i do not like the 6.4 hemi.

[@FrostbiteRam]

I can't blame you a bit.

[@jasonsteelhorse]

The 7.3's are having issues with valve springs. Just a FYI to look out for.

[@glenparks5175]

There all junk!!!!!!! 70,000 p.o.s.

[@donellmuniz590]

Jeez, you're rakin' in the dough. Ya own a gold mine or something?

[@radelarosa97]

My 2012 Ram (5.7) had the same problem. Got a quote from dodge, they wanted to charge me 4,500 again 4,500$ lol. No joke. I just took it to a different machine, charge me 1500 also, but 2 months later, cold start my truck, the lift knock, then goes away, like 2m later (it’s not the manifold bolts) but I started blending my oil. I do factory oil then mix it with the Lucas stabilizer engine oil. Once I added that stuff, the knock was there but would go away like In 2-10seconds. It’s a really sucky situation, but if it happens again, I’ll probably just do it by my self. Cheers from Texas, hope I made sense. Lol By the way, I did see a KZbin video saying about how the cam was to far from the crank, and how the oil wouldn’t reach the lifts in time, something like that. I believe the person who explain it was “uncletonysgarage” kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4WvaYR7ipeBrac

[@FrostbiteRam]

Yeah the dealer makes a killing on this.

[@jasonneal]

This is from running your motor with the MDS on. Guys, you have a V8 for a reason. Run all 8 or you gonna have problems. If your so worried about fuel mileage then go buy a 4 cylinder truck or car.

[@SIDVENOM]

How do you turn off the MDS so you can run all 8 cylinders.

[@jasonneal]

@@SIDVENOM after you put it in gear, just press the gear selector until you’ve reached the highest gear. So if you have a 8 speed trany, press the gear selector until it displays 8.

[@Prestiged_peck]

@@jasonneal ...

[@Prestiged_peck]

@@SIDVENOM this guys is trolling you, you'll have to open the motor up and replace the MDS lifters with NON-MDS lifters.

[@jasonneal]

@@Prestiged_peck fuck you bro, I’m not trolling anyone. I have had 2 hemi motors, 5.7 and 6.4 and if you put it in select a gear the MDS won’t activate. But what ever

[@Ram-re5em]

I dumped my 2019 Laramie long bed 6.4 for a 2020 Tradesmen 6.7 diesel. I got cold feet with all the problems with the 6.4 hemi. I also needed a diesel to pull my new 5th wheel and it holds it resale value way better.

[@FrostbiteRam]

Cant go wrong with the cummins only thing to prepare for is emissions components failure.

[@donleamon8653]

@@FrostbiteRam - and transmission failure unless Aisin

[@masseymm]

Why would one want to go back factory/stock? So we can do it all again?

[@jeffreygoss8109]

My question exactly. Isn’t there a better aftermarket replacement?

[@mightymikeamps9317]

I would at least get the Hellcat Lifters.

[@jeffclark5024]

We just put a Jasper remanded in a 15 ram rebel. 80ishk. Cam was junk and DOD solenoid screens all full of metal. Customer opted for a remanded engine with a warranty. I think it was a good decision. I’ve heard horror stories about repeat failures after a repair like this due to contamination.. I could be wrong though, I don’t have a lot of personal experience with the hemi’s.

[@itsme78932]

I have a 2021 Ram 2500 6.4 as a loaner as my truck is in the shop (2018 F250 6.7 with the dreaded upper oil pan gakset leak). Even with just 7500 miles, i will say the engine is NOISY and can clearly hear the valves clanking away lol.

[@cleonmain1291]

After owning several Dodge trucks and having to return to the dealer several times with each truck including a complete motor replacement on a truck with 2000 miles I'm done.

[@FrostbiteRam]

Cant blame you

[@derekchapleau3748]

My 2018 Ram 2500 6.4 Power Wagon only has 21k miles on it and already has this issue. It sucks. Dealer says it's normal. Mine sure isn't gonna make it no 100k miles, probably not even 40k.

[@FrostbiteRam]

Wow

[@jlbush8249]

How do you know it has this issue? Have you disassembled the engine to check? I slight ticking noise is not indicative of this problem. The 6.4 in HD trucks makes a ticking noise through the exhaust, they all do it, either through a bad exhaust design at the y-pipe, or thin walled pipe. My PW makes this tick also and it is most assuredly in the exhaust below the drivers seat and y-pipe area. There is zero ticking noise from the engine bay.

[@deadwright534]

I've been told idle times are a killer on the hemi. I run Lucas oil stabilizer I'm now at 1030,00 and so far no problems

[@kanaletumlinson]

It’s common if your constantly allowing the MDS to kick in and out plus idling for extended periods of time… 2016 ram 1500 5.7 hemi 126k miles no issues with the lifters and cam but I am also aware of what causes it and how to mitigate the problem

[@goaheadmakeourdayscooterpe9644]

At least now everyone can have a "Hemi", running or not.

[@paulc3455]

Why would you go back stock won't that issue come back again seems like wasted money to go back stock and have another failure again.?

[@Mike-df1ye]

We have a 2018 Challenger Scat Pack with the 6 4L. Zero problems so far at 25k miles anywhere on the car. I have two questions: 1. I noticed that the lifter that failed in this engine was one of the non-MDS, or solid, lifters. A lot of people claim the MDS system is to blame for these problems. Has this shop seen more MDS lifter failures or solid, or are they about even? And 2: If he has any experience with them, are the high performance 6.4L engines in the Challengers and Chargers more or less prone to these issues? We plan on keeping this car regardless and will stick a new engine in it eventually if we have to, we love it that much, but it's good to know what to expect down the road. Thanks in advance for any info!

[@FrostbiteRam]

Yes it seems lots of the lifters that fails is a mix of mds or non mds it really doesn't just point to one it seems. My 5.7 failure was a non mds lifter as well.

[@microminiskirt]

Yes the MDS contributes to early engine failure running on 4 cylinders. It be less money to drive with all 8 cylinders than get lifters replacement over and over especially if you use band aid factory parts only to end up with same problem again down the road.

[@jefferystensland1304]

@@microminiskirt Probably no way to disable the MDS system?

[@microminiskirt]

@@jefferystensland1304 Buy the manual and pay the gas guzzler tax because if you are planning to keep Challenger for a long time that will pay off with one less major problem to go wrong.

[@microminiskirt]

It's two separate problems "HEMI TICK" as non MDS cars have had same issues with lifter valve failures. Must go by idle times and change oil and filter frequently-very high maintenance.

[@lanceg2017]

My 2014 6.4 popped P303 code. Changed plugs and coil in cylinder 3. Drove 150 miles and the engine shut off!!!! Dealership said it needs a new engine! Can’t believe this. 170k miles

[@karlsracing8422]

Idling while eating lunch or supervising.

[@snakegs4203]

Yep!!

[@vickibange7259]

Georgia Landscapers? - keep that A/C running!

[@jeffclark5024]

The lifter wants his lawyer... he argues the cam beat him up..

[@boss2nine]

😆 lol

[@zeushernandez2449]

Keep up whit the maintenance and used top of the line oil n filters or even mid grade products. It’s when you cheap out that issues start happening and passing sudden maintenance points that u get trouble

[@jerem0621]

Where do all the shavings go from the old cam? I thought this failure requires a new engine. I’m doing some studying as I’m considering a Hemi Ram 2500.

[@FrostbiteRam]

Most the time they can be saved without motor replacement.

[@Tamburahk]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHimYndjq6qXopI for 5.7 its mostly no need for new engine, for 6.4 most likely yes, you check on both this oil control valve which is under intake manifold, if there is debris on it...that means new engine. for 6.4 its more common to be so, because much tighter tolerances

[@jerem0621]

@@Tamburahk thank you for the information.

[@blakeportelance100]

Coming from owning diesels that's extremely cheap! I love my 6.4 hemi, I'm done in diesel land even tho I prefer them.

[@FrostbiteRam]

I dont blame you at all.

[@Prestiged_peck]

Same here, you can now get 400-600 ft-lbs in a gas motor from all the big 3, and they're not all gas hogs, so really you don't need a diesel these days anyway.

[@wesleydean4228]

@@Prestiged_peck you can’t pull a stock trailer loaded with cows, a gooseneck trailer loaded with hay, or any other load 20k plus pounds on the daily with a gas engine, it just won’t take it.

[@Prestiged_peck]

@@wesleydean4228 I mean I tow our double decker racing trailer with 4 cars between 2500-3500lbs and about 1000lbs worth of equipment tools and fluids with a 8.1 gasser all the time, trailer probably weighs around 14klbs fully loaded, and I have no issue, the 7.3 gasser ford makes a lot more torque than mone does, so given the chassis ot can definitely be done, you may only get 3-5mpg doing it but you can do it. (I've also seen a loaded cattle/horse gooseneck get pulled by a ford fucking ranger down a texas highway, if a ranger can tow it any real man's truck can. Or do you mean they won't hold up to that kind of abuse? Because if that's the case you ain't servicing shit right, any modern 2500 gasser truck motor should be able to make 200k of hard, down and dirty, loaded to the max work, it's literally what they're designed for, if not it's not worth a shit

[@wesleydean4228]

@@Prestiged_peck I didn’t say you couldn’t do it, but it is not ideal when you pull for a living. That ole 8.1 gas truck is on a different level. Those things were light years before their time. Great motor, as well as being paired with an Allison. What I was getting at is that for someone like. Myself, it would be very difficult to get by with a gas truck. It can be done, but you would trash one in no time.

[@rabbi7933]

His workers are beating the hell out of the trucks.

[@russromito4903]

Cheap oil and filter is the problem ! I use 5w-20 full synthetic Mobil 1. Yes its about $10.00 per quart for the 15,000 mil oil. 6 quarts is about $65.00. Top quality filter is about $25.00 so your looking at about $90.00. Its worth every cent.

[@easttexasengineering3489]

Exactly brother

[@mrmoparrr]

So Change oil at 3k no matter what and change lifters at 100k if your keeping your truck ?

[@SSGTA440]

Yes, there are synthetic oils, and grades that are inferior. Yes, change the oil WELL before the factory rated intervals.

[@marshall0792]

My 2015 just started tapping consistently. It has 127,000 on it and I’ve driven it every day for the last 9 years. The engine has a little over 4,000 hours. 3,600 drive, 500ish idle. I’ve noticed the engine likes mobil one 0w-40 oil and filter. Every time when the truck went in for major servicing. The dealership would use their bulk oil and mopar filter and the engine didn’t like it. It would start tapping And I change the oil back to Mobil one. Now it just started tapping and won’t quit. Funny thing is, it just got back from the the dealer for a full servicing and now the engine is fucked.

[@arendbehrens2761]

Buy a Ford, 2012 F150 149k never any problems! No dodges for me.

[@adamwarrick2970]

Oh man...been a Dodge fan/owner since I got my first one in '97. Had an '03 diesel after that...great trucks. Then I bought a '14 6.4....Terrible idea. Thank god I got the lifetime warranty! Very long story short...first the torque converter went out....then they said it was some sensor...then dealership eventually replaced the whole transmission after I got told it just needed a $350 oil change from my pocket! After that it was the EGR cooler. Didn't even know a gas truck had one...when they fail it will belch thick white smoke for a quarter mile...almost like you're on fire! Truck had about 70K miles when all of this started. Happened over 8 months. I towed a 5K trailer 4 times with it...the most it has ever had to pull. The truck spent a total of 5 months at the dealership because apparently they couldn't get parts from anywhere in the country...B.S Escalated the issue up the chain to Chrysler etc. Had to fight just to get partially reimbursed for a damn rental....terrible customer service unlike anything I have ever dealt with. Got rid of the lemon and downsized to a 2021 Tundra. I really did love the engine, though. Broke the tires loose on the freeway lol. Not a truck I want to have break down 40 miles from the nearest town in the middle of nowhere while hunting...

[@bicyclecrashsurvivor8884]

Make sure to put a trans cooler on your Tundra. They stopped using them in 2018 or 2019 and they are seeing extremely high Temps which is resulting in trans failures.

[@adamwarrick2970]

@@bicyclecrashsurvivor8884 Thank you for the tip! Is it bad that I still want a TRX...lol

[@frankie123fr]

Do a video about pros and cons when moding a CAM & Lifters VS just changing them when shtf

[@FrostbiteRam]

I will definitely work on something.

[@JT-xb6bg]

Run the correct oil. Change it every 6-7000 miles.

[@vtx2005retro]

This video caught my eye as I figured there were multiple problems with the 6.4. Then in thr opening statement he only mentions thr one lifter failure truck. The reference of it being a lifter on number five was fully defined as the intake or the exhaust? Also did all the other trucks fail the same lifter as you eluded to? That would be the kind of info the Chrysler company engineers would love to hear? Not to mention NHTSA AND THE EPA. As I understand it a lot of 6.4 failure with the engine will affect the emissions output and make those trucks non emissions compliant. Fines and recalls would be flying all over the place. So please more info please.

[@AmericanSurvival001]

Well to put things in perspective if you owned the 150 with 5.4 Triton, or you know what I can phaser or plugs blowing out of the head or the next model plugs that can’t be removed from the heads to be changed you’ll feel good driving a Dodge /Chrysler any year anytime I’ll take the problems.... it must be embarrassing for them because I have several vehicles with half 1,000,000 miles on them and their gasoline engines...I don’t have a half million miles on any Ford or Chevy I truck I ever drove, got rid of it long before they could drain my wallet further oh well this problem is nothing😂

[@helderborjas1759]

I have done couples 5.7 and I am about to do 2015 6.4 hemi preventive repair just start ticking and the head Does Not have to come out just valve cover and you take off rocket arms shaft and push rods and I have done also replace of camshaft without taking off front xover and timing chain but if is taking head off and doing valve seats for 1500$ he's price can not be beat here in California labor cost is way way higher

[@bcatz454]

lifter and cam job on the Hemi isn't bad of a job at all, pretty easy to be honest. Keep scaring people, and I'll gladly keep picking up these cheap Rams with the 6.4. Not like the engine completely fails, and the job is just a little bit harder than a timing belt job with just the heads having to come off.

[@donleamon8653]

What about the longterm downstream effects of the failed lifter in the rest of the engine though? ie metal filings in the rest of the block.

[@vickibange7259]

What is the average cost of that repair, though?

[@thermosplace7914]

What is the idle time? I see these mower trucks sitting at idle with the ac on while the minions cut grass. Past that, with that milage the engine should be rebuilt.

[@DOC6.7]

Thanks for the time making this vid. I’m considering a new 2500 this year!

[@FrostbiteRam]

No problem man a 6.4 would be sweet.

[@DOC6.7]

@@FrostbiteRam wish ram would throw the 6.4 in the 1500. The Jeep Wrangler will have it this year. God i love hemi!

[@FrostbiteRam]

@@DOC6.7 that would be awesome

[@donellmuniz590]

@@FrostbiteRam Hellcat, even better! I hear it's coming.

[@dgarcia7388]

As I watch this, my 2016 ram 2500 with 6.4 is getting an entirely new engine at 146,000. Your price quotes, mileage they last, etc are exactly spot on. With so many bad engines, I’m disappointed ram hasn’t decided to do a recall or something. Likely will be my last gas truck from ram if not all together

[@marshallforeman2051]

Yeah, I quit buying Mopar junk 10 years ago. It just seem like it was always something breaking or messing up.

[@Hall7180]

Having to look at this repair myself, although I guess I should feel blessed I got 250k out of my 6.4 before she bit the dust on this failure two weeks ago. What did you end up being quoted for the new engine? I may do a rebuild. I was quoted around $14,000 for a new engine which I thought was crazy

[@dgarcia7388]

@@Hall7180 I ended up paying $13,400. They also told me my catalytic converters were bad because they were soaked in oil from the bad pistons, which would have been about $2,500 additional. I didn’t have the money for the engine in the first place so I told them not to replace the cats, I can replace those on my own for less in the future.

[@drv1776]

I had a lifter failure problem at 50k miles, replaced with hellcat and comp cam + mds delete, lifter failed again 30k miles later, rebuilt it again, 2k miles later lifter/cam failure again. Perhaps I’m cursed but I wonder why it keeps happening. Could it be the tune, wrong torque applied to the bolts, perhaps the heads weren’t cleaned right? I’m torn and starting to hate this 392 motor.

[@FrostbiteRam]

Thats crazy may me work looking into the Johnson lifters.

[@AndreenMotorsports]

I know this is an older video but still relevant. I would be interested to know if oil change intervals and oil brand play a role in lifter failure. I dont care what a lab test says, 8k miles is too far for an oil change. I change mine every 4k. I mostly use the Pennz Ultra Platinum as recommended but a couple of times during Covid it was hard to find so I used 5/40 Rotella synthetic. Id be willing to bet that dropping the oil change interval would help extend lifter life.

[@robertcarey3383]

I am 66 years old and have owned a Dodge 4 different times in my life. Every time I have owned one , they have remined me why I don't want to own one. I see nothing has changed.

[@semiauto3148]

Just curious, but Why did you buy 3 more after the first one ?

[@robertcarey3383]

@@semiauto3148 actually the first one was the best one, a half ton pickup with a 318 and a push button transmission. It was a 1967 as I recall. Next was a 73 new dodge van a total pos from new and I sold that thinking I got a lemon, next try was another van, broke the timing chain at 56,000, next was a mini van for my wife bought new never made 100,000 before needing transmission. Next was 440 recharger used as hunting vehicle, never could get it to run decent. After that I started buying Chevy. I owned a business that bought a new truck about every two years and I bought 6 new Chevy pickups and NEVER had a drive train problem in about one million miles of use.

[@semiauto3148]

@@robertcarey3383 so. Since then you’ve been a Chevy man? I owned a 2015 Ram with 5.7 hemi. Didn’t have any problems but only owned it for 4.5 years and traded it for 2019 Silverado with the 6.2 engine...it was nice truck but only had 38k miles when I traded it. I got a little worried about the engine after reading about the engine failures those 5.7’s were having...

[@robertcarey3383]

@@semiauto3148 I only owned one with the 350 the others were the small v8 I believe they were 305 and two were the v6. 5 were half ton and one was three quarter ton HD. None used oil, no tranny issues, one fuel pump, one water pump, and fuel and oil filters and that was it. I put overload springs on the half tons immediately and worked them like they were 3/4 tons. When I retired I gave one to a guy who worked for me, kept one for myself and sold the other three to one of my friends who also owned a business. I also owned a couple Ford super dutys and still own one of those, I use it to pull a fifth wheel.

[@donellmuniz590]

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me 4 times, I need to have my head examined. 🤣

[@pounderish]

I believe the key factor here is ppl letting their trucks idle for to long and oil is not getting up into the lifters.

[@aarsenalfan]

So if it's -10 and you're eating lunch in your truck , engine shouldn't be running...... that's absurd 👎

[@derakbell8143]

Looks like a serious lack of maintenance, spend so much money on the truck cant afford to maintain it.. Change the fuckin oil... look at that build up on that cam... proves its not taken care of...

[@cameronf6934]

Had a Ram tech tell me to run 5w30 in my 2018 Ram 6.4 to permanently prevent that hemi tick. He’s had way better results from Ram owners longevity of these hemi engines.

[@chrismccall1736]

Look how burnt that cam is. Clearly a lack of maintenance.

[@richardlunati302]

33,000 miles on my 2500 horrible , truck in dealer for 2 months still love her lol

[@FrostbiteRam]

It happens its a love hate relationship lol

[@DavidSmith-tu1nd]

I still think uncle Tony has found something with the angle of the lifter bores and the distance of the cam from the crankshaft. The oil isn't getting to the rollers. Only at higher rpm are the lifters getting lubed good. The check valve in the lifters may not work correctly at idle speed rpm. It's weird that not all of the lifters show same wear pattern. One would think if all of the lifters were getting weak oiling at idle, that they should start to fail near the same time.

[@FrostbiteRam]

I agree with the angle it does make some since for sure. Sad thing is you would have to redesign the entire block and all😓

[@paulkruger2310]

Tony is right for sure. Dumb design. Fiat peugeot is a joke. That's why I got rid of mine before it happen. It's either this of the exhaust manifolds. Very disappointing. They won't fix the problem.

[@dane5896]

I drove my 2006 (5.7) for 14 years. At around 70,000 miles, I started to hear a tick, and traded it in.

[@davidhorne2326]

Thanks for the info! I was between the Ram and Ford. Blue oval for the win! Never owned a Ford before.

[@MrStaybrown]

5.4 Ford f150 motor motor is also bad. I'm trying to get mine rebuilt, it crap'd the bed at 190,000.

[@austinreed347]

@@MrStaybrown only the 3 valve versions do that

[@austinreed347]

@@MrStaybrown the 5.0 and 6.2 are some of the best V8s in the last decade

[@MrStaybrown]

@@austinreed347 gotcha. I hope to have the 5.4 running again by spring. 🤙

[@vickibange7259]

Ford 5.0 liter has a MAJOR oil loss issue. I bought RAM because of that.

[@philcowan8266]

Where is your buddy’s shop at in GA

[@jamesmerkel9442]

V8 back in the day no tech could easily go 200k no issues at a fraction of cost of new tech. Any V8 not getting 200k trouble free miles is defective product w/high tech oil, fuel & filters we hve NOW.

[@FrostbiteRam]

Definitely 👍

[@jbuckgeorgiamertz]

I've had zero issues like that I have 2014 6.4 2500 bought in 2015 with 12,500 miles on it as of now as I'm driving i have 215,816 miles Idle hrs are 908 Drive hrs 4531 No cam no lifter problems whatsoever

[@Joe-co4sq]

Thanks for the update. I was looking to purchase a ram used in the near future.

[@FrostbiteRam]

Thanks for stopping by hope I didn't scare you lol

[@thudang3039]

Thanks for making this! I've been currently shopping, looking at a possible 2500 with a 6.4, and it's good that it's something to be aware of. Sucks that you can't "inspect" this issue more easily so that you can tell whether or not it's good for a while, or if it's starting to show signs that it will fail and cause you bigger headaches. Thank you!

[@williambrown118]

that is miss info ford power stroke suck that dude is a ford guy lying

[@mattbarrois8675]

Had a 6.4 hemi 3500 ram work truck that we put well over 400k miles on before it was taken out of service

[@harveyharmon6643]

Camshaft failure due to lifter failure....usually at 100k miles. Just trade in before that time. It's common problem for 5.7 and 6.4

[@grahamosage9914]

Had 13 Challenger ,5.7 manual shift At purchase Car Faxx showed car had been traded into various dealers. 5or 6 times with only 26K+ miles. During test drive did not notice the Tick- after bout 1000 miles started to notice Tick during deceleration. IMMEDIATELY had it flushed of OEM OIL went with KENDALL Oil ( former Valvoline fan) the Tick became a fading issue. Wife got tired of shifting & traded it in a year later Tick was a non issue. I'm convinced the Pens oil is culprit. Had a Chrsyler mechanic a decade + B4 this Challenger/ we were buying a NEW Colt Vista wagon(rug rat wagon) & he specifically told me not to use PENNZ- So I have not to this day. JUST MY 2cents

[@MrOmerta]

My friend mechanic gets a lot of 6.4 and can't get just blocks to build. He looks coast to coast and they just laugh like u might as well give up because they're all looking for them as well. And can't give time frame when they might get em. Catch it before ruins the block.

[@adrianarriaza3492]

Where is your buddy's shop? I'm in GA and need someone to work on our 6.4 hemi with a overheating issue.

[@FrostbiteRam]

Hpracing.ga

[@jhimmelberger5371]

Do you think it's an oiling issue? Seeing others have the same lifter starving. BTW, the 6.4 is supposed to be lubed with Pennzoil Ultra 0-40W, I wonder if owners are deviating from the recommendation?

[@FrostbiteRam]

Most likely yes but the actual reason is not certain yet.

[@James-qq2vq]

I could understand if these motors coming in we're in the 30 to 50,000 mile range but over 100,000 miles? At this point I would say a lack of maintenance for sure. As a former business owner, I bought a Ford van for one of my delivery vehicles that have the 5.4 l. I did the regular maintenance on that van and got 280,000 mi on the engine and transmission. It was all running good when I sold it. 5.4 doesn't have the greatest history for longevity.

[@Java62PR]

Where did the metal from those parts went ? Do you need a block flush ? Or a new motor ? Compression checks ? How we know how bad it is ? Should we just replace all parts Before it happens ? Shoot...

[@FrostbiteRam]

Catch it in time and nothing more than swapping parts and a couple oil changes won't fix.

[@RollieFingers59]

My shop has 30 2016 4500’s with the 6.4. Every single one has had to get a new motor well before 100,000 miles

[@Kyle-xt8ip]

Cam and lifters failed in my grand cherokee srt. Luckily I caught it early.

[@FrostbiteRam]

Thats good 👍

[@chriss8206]

My 2016 2500 6.4 l hemi has a lifetime power train warranty on it I'm not sure if it's the model that he purchased but they definitely come with a lifetime power train warranty on the 6th floor not sure if it has to do with the trim level of the vehicle

[@larryw5429]

I will just stick to my old SBC and LS motors... They can keep all this new fancy crap that takes a dump!

[@glenparks5175]

Chevy la with the multi cylinder deactivation is doing it too

[@derekheuring2984]

The math works: (Poor maintenance + extended idling) X work truck = valve train failure. (Excellent maintenance + no extended idling) X personal use truck = longevity. My 12 year old 5.7 with 140,000 miles didn't even have lifter tic. I expect my 2022 6.4 won't either in ten years.

[@stangnutlx]

junk junk junk, theyve been junk since 04 and will never get any better.

[@rjmlakota]

2013 RAM 1500, just shy of 140,000 miles. Getting the Hemi tick and have a cylinder 3 misfire...

[@200shotramhemi4]

Those 6.4 hemis need a need owner

[@FrostbiteRam]

🤣perhaps lol

[@michaeldepow6663]

My 3rd gen started making a little noise and then misfired. I have a code for co2 sensor come on and then go out after a few startups. It's in shop now w 199k miles

[@Joe-sn6ir]

take care of your vehicle and it will take care of you. if your shit is breaking, its most likely you.

[@austinreed347]

Funny how Hemi guys always say maintenance when the engine blows up but when a Ford or GM engine blows it’s because they suck lol 😂

[@austinreed347]

Maybe if you take care of 5.7 and 6.4 they last longer but how come other engines can last longer with less maintenance? Because they are better more reliable engines.

[@MultiPartizan1]

That cam has oil burnouts spots between lobes more like sludge , Not normal with high quality synthetic oil and 5k intervals.

[@thegrantdanielsband]

Is there a recall on this?

[@shockracer]

I wonder if generic oil and cheap gas is the main culprit? I've noticed when heavy towing using standard mopar oil i would hit 280 °F after going with Mopar synthetic oil i rarely hit 260. Around town driving i use mid grade fuel and when planning a trip and during a trip when towing i use premium only.

[@MultiPartizan1]

I would try 0w40 oil castrol mobil penzoil doesn't meter better flow at any given temperature better lubrication when working hard and better additive package. Don't belive dealerships.

[@shockracer]

@@MultiPartizan1 I send my oil to Blackstone Lab for a full Chemical analysis every other oil change. I trust my dealership as not only do I know the owners but also know most of the people there and have known them for almost 20 years. The MDS system gets angry when using different viscosity oils and might cause a CEL or MDS failure.

[@MultiPartizan1]

@@shockracer When towing Premium fuel only 93 octane we use 0W30 oil when towing oil temperature stays under 230f and same oil for all year around, Same hemi 5.7l engine in australia recommended from mopar viscosity oil is 5w40 find CAFE agreement when you can, No MDS issues in two hemi 5.7l engines K&N filters and Penzoil euro 0-30.

[@craiggiese5037]

I drive my 6.4 in manual mode to see if this problem goes away I had a 2012 5.7 that did this and it must be caused by cylinder deactivation and idling

[@danlaur7973]

If I was the landscape owner with 5 Dodge engine failures, I'd be shopping at the nearest Chevrolet dealer

[@ashkanserat]

Chevys are even worse they have trans and lifter issues. Ford 7.3 gas or the 5.0 is probably the best bet for a newer truck

[@bobisrighturwrong]

@@ashkanserat - we use fords for our fleet and they have lots of issues under severe duty too. No vehicle is going to be without issues when you idle for long periods and it's driven by someone who doesn't own it so they don't care.

[@ashkanserat]

@@bobisrighturwrong for the most part they're all piles of shit these days. Some worse than others but the newer chevys are horrible

[@ashkanserat]

@Patt Cuda Nissan are junk. Just Google them...that entire company has been on a down hill slide for 2 decades. One of the worst performing/quality on the road. Toyota is the only one that still builds quality cars/trucks. Too bad they only build 1/2 ton versions

[@microminiskirt]

How are the 392 engines in the challenger?

[@69A12SuperBee]

Not all hemis. I’ve never flattened a cam in my ‘69 426. Sorry for all these problems for all these people. Kind of gives Mopar a bad name.

[@johnnyherdes486]

In a gun fight u can hide behind that 426. Its bullet proof..

[@KurtfromLaQuinta]

@@johnnyherdes486 The bottom ends on RB Blocks are THE toughest units ever produced.

[@cheapstreetr]

Where is your buddies shop here in Georgia located?

[@FrostbiteRam]

Close to athens

[@toddbob55]

Buddy has a 2020 6.4 40k miles..... it has camshaft lifter issues already

[@FrostbiteRam]

Wow😬

[@jeff-le1tp]

Same thing happened to me on the 5.7 at 110, 000 km. Same #5.

[@Really-AintBuyn-nit]

It's a design flaw in the engine itself. Improper oil distribution. My brother's 5.7 FHP cruiser died at 142K. Roller cams should never have this problem. It isn't the oil, or the change intervals.

[@FrostbiteRam]

I agree with it being a design issue a person should be able to idle for periods of time among other things.

[@davidpeterson6147]

Can you ask what oil was used and how long are the oil change intervals.

[@FrostbiteRam]

I will check on that but I know the owner personally and he changes fluids regularly.

[@jeffa8683]

In almost every instance of engine failure dirt damages the lifter roller and caused a cascade of damage that is the downside of a hemi they are sensitive to dirty oil or extreme dirty working environment they need more frequent oil changes a cummins doesn't have that problem but a gas engine is still far more cost effective than a diesel