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[@TFLtruck]

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[@bazby2106]

In the table at the end it says Ford Expedition instead of Excursion. Just wanted to let you know.

[@justinborysenko3885]

Thanks again to Zach and Ray!

[@OtayBuckwheat]

I drive a Cadillac SUV so I knew who the winner would be. 😉

[@Rays_Bad_Decisions]

​@@OtayBuckwheatuntil it gets to ownership and you realize it uses random Cadillac parts that cost double😂😂. That Suburban is less reliable then the generation before and still waaaaaaaaay more reliable then the other 2

[@OtayBuckwheat]

@@Rays_Bad_Decisions I have a '97 K series step side reg cab Z-71 Silverado and a K series 2-door 6.5 Turbo Diesel Z-71 SLT Yukon, a Lexus, a 65 Cutlass Convertible with 68,500 original miles and a newish Caddy SUV that's never given me a problem in 92,000 miles because I maintain my shit, and the only vehicle that has given me grief is the Lexus, so I think I'm good on advice about my GM rides.

[@huemongus3742]

What is crazy to me is the rpm drop from 1-2 shift on these rigs. I wonder how good these engines would do with just the new 10 spd tranny's from gm and Ford. You can tell once they got on the power band all the engine's pulled quite strong. The higher number of gears would help the engine's stay in that power band.

[@ALMX5DP]

Yeah to me transmission technology has been the biggest change over the years. Tons of gears, super close ratios, and quick and smooth shifting with manual control. Not sure how well they’d adapt to older engines with less electronic control, but would be cool to see someone try.

[@freedomisntfree_44]

Wish they’d develop transmissions for old vehicles at least like a 6 speed to replace the old 4speeds, my old taco does this when it shifts 😝 falls on its face until the rpm’s climb back up

[@trevorbrown7224]

The tried and true solution is rear axle ratio. Likely the differentials are on the taller side in these vehicles, because finding properly set up examples are few and far between.

[@james10739]

@@freedomisntfree_44 you can get a standalone computer for like a 6l80e or something or people a while unit in a kit but it's just not cheap

[@grandwizard9088]

For my 03 suburban, one day it’s getting the duramax swap with the Allison

[@jkheslekrants]

Genuinely impressed with that 99 Suburban. Least expensive by a large margin, is the oldest of the 3, has the highest mileage of the 3, smallest displacement engine of the 3 and that ole gal is still getting things done! Lovin every one of these budget videos

[@No_Budget_No_Problem]

My 2006 suburban with 235k miles on the motor and tranny and body tugs cars up and down the road just ticking away until my trans finally went on me but with the 4l60e being only 200 bucks for a used one why not

[@jesseturnip]

I got a 2005 Chevy suburban with a 5.3 I tow 8,000 lb from Florida to Alaska every year. No worries, I keep it slow and steady.

[@kevincarey8192]

This is an unfair challenge to the 1500 Suburban; it only has the 350. The excursion has the v10, and the cadillac has the 6.0. You should compare with the 2500 suburban with the 454.. or at least a 2000 suburban with the 5.3.

[@Nanaehhco45]

Yup. But it's all in good fun. Although I agree.

[@bogged2theeyeballs695]

"People just call me a-hole." Haha. Love it !!

[@livewithnick]

The Suburban is my favorite as far as looks. It’s the oldest with the most miles and still stayed close to the other two.

[@omardevonlittle3817]

When i was growing up my neighbor had a 2500 suburban that had like 340k miles on it... looked brand new... the old man moved back to NY but id bet he still has it with half a million miles on it

[@JohnDoe-qy8vr]

FORD

[@NSarg04]

@@JohnDoe-qy8vr found on road dead

[@ryanholmes5364]

Shame it wasn't a 454 suburban.

[@aceinhd8651]

@@omardevonlittle3817 my 93 gmc sierra c2500 with the 454 has 250k and still going strong without any rebuilds

[@rusty2381]

310HP spread over ten cylinders is actually a nice recipe for longevity. Still amazed ford found a way to botch that.

[@ImprovisedExpletiveDevice]

haha

[@tylerdunlap6787]

We are talking about the same 6.8L V10 that pretty consistently lasts to over 400k miles? That engine?

[@rusty2381]

@@tylerdunlap6787 talking about the one that is known for firing the spark plugs out of the cylinder heads.

[@motormouth2472]

​@@rusty2381 I read many comments about these engines and their longevity. Yes they had a spark plug problem. But outside of that many people will tell that these engines are solid

[@abundantlifechurchcortland3117]

​@@rusty2381when over torqued... properly serviced tritons (4.6, 5.4, 6.8) last hundreds of thousands of miles in work trucks. -ex fleet parts guy

[@techtom83]

Would be cool to see the 8.1 suburban in this competition!

[@randysullivan5723]

They didn't want to put the others to shame it seems

[@jkheslekrants]

Heck The 454 (7.4L) Suburban of the same vintage would have been more than sufficient enough. This old 5.7 was really holding it's own

[@ImprovisedExpletiveDevice]

@@jkheslekrants eh maybe, I've heard the 454 isn't all that well setup. The 8.1 would crush it though, which is its successor engine...

[@abundantlifechurchcortland3117]

​@@ImprovisedExpletiveDevice 7.4 and 8.1 are both slow but durable.

[@Nanaehhco45]

@abundantlifechurchcortland3117 yes! Very slow, but towing is unbeatable!

[@OzarksWildman]

I’ve got basically the same truck as the Excursion, same white and gold but, 7.3 Powerstroke. Merging on the highway in Texas I hit the speed governor at 92 mph towing a 28’ camper.

[@HammerWrench]

Mine is the V10 and the 5star tune has taken it up to 105mph before I backed off, not towing though.

[@Malc664]

You're a wildman.

[@OzarksWildman]

@@Malc664 The tractor trailers flew past me at well over 100 mph, I was trying not to get run over.

[@Malc664]

@@OzarksWildman Jeepers that's crazy. Be safe man.

[@takeapieandrun]

@@OzarksWildman Damn, I've heard people speed like hell in Texas but that is wild

[@theroamincatholic]

Not to be that guy, but at 16:06 the results page says "Ford Expedition" instead of Excursion. But still a great video as always! Love the No Payment Needed series!

[@FlyingWithSpurts]

I had a '97 Suburban with the 3.42 axel. Even that had no problem betting a towed mass up to 30-40mph due to the flat and early torque curve of the Vortec 5700. Once drag became a major factor though... that mere "255" hp struggled. Without a trailer I could do 100% of my driving under 2,000rpm even on 75mph AZ freeways.

[@FlyingWithSpurts]

@Corrie Elieff Yeah, one downshift meant 2800rpm, max torque, at freeway speeds. Perfect for hills.

[@trailrunnah8886]

Yeah, they're focusing on the relatively low horsepower of the 350, but ignoring the fact that it makes like 330 foot pounds of torque at 2,800 RPM.

[@Nanaehhco45]

@corrieelieff2446 is very true. The LS series block is more camaro/corvette oriented in design, so it likes to rev higher. I prefer old small blocks or a big block to tow. The 6.0L LQ4 or LQ9/etc are amazing. You get the best of both worlds! Tons of low end torque, and decent power in the upper rpms! They're no slouches!

[@Flub_Kub]

​@Nanaehhco45 I totally agree, until they added the dod/afm crap.

[@mikemerritt9439]

Love these types of videos I grew up watching top gear then gran tour! It’s nice seeing another show that has fun testing regular everyday used vehicles that most of us actually drive.

[@joeymccullough2716]

I would have loved it, if Tommy had found a 2500, big block Burban to compete with. That would show up the Excursion, for sure! I really wish that I still had mine.

[@user-dc5ql3jf7j]

Google a 2004 suburban 2500 they tow 12,000lbs

[@joeymccullough2716]

@@user-dc5ql3jf7j I know-I’ve owned two-a 1987 & a 1991 (last year of the platform). Worked the Hell out of them both. I would hate to fill one of them up with gas, right now!😆

[@hectorpadilla3062]

Fuel economy of a 460 ford with the power of a 305 chevy😂

[@mannyzx1]

I like Tommy, he’s a smart guy. But its always nice to see the original three. The chemistry is and always has been amazing.

[@ShaunsJeep]

I love the series and I get excited like a kid waking up to cartoons on a Saturday morning. The intro music is awesome. Keep it up the good work.

[@OS-hx4jk]

Torn between the Excursion and the GMC. Both are cool as hell but the Ford takes the cake. Btw, the best thing of late on TFL has been the purchase and use of the Tumbleweed Ranch. Can't have enough of the ranch!

[@thatfordguy2268]

Yeah if your not worried about fuel mileage both are solid reliable trucks 👍

[@ytfeasel]

Interesting perspective on the 0-60 times… The Tacoma (in prior video) towed 6400 lbs. 0-60 in 24.32 seconds. We all know how sluggish the Tacoma feels, too.

[@Nanaehhco45]

Very impressive for a midsize truck!

[@jakeZduramax]

I still Love that era gm. A suburban would fit good in the yard with my 98 z71. My only issue would be the plastics. I took great care of mine and the dash looks like a roadmap.

[@kodi5312]

I have a mint dash for on

[@bret9741]

My how the world has changed. I started towing in the 1970’s (cattle, horses and firewood). We often loaded up 10 cords of green wood on a 6 horse tongue trailer. The trailer was steel. I believe it weighed 8500 lbs. that means the trailer loaded weighed about 50,000 lbs. While attending high school m, I use to drive a load of wood to town 74 miles one way.. I did this using a 1968 F-250 RWD. Had a lot of tire blow outs but no accidents.

[@rayd2100]

IMO the GM 800 Gen 2001-2006 Suburban/Yukon XL with a 3.73 is the sweet spot. They drive better than the shorter version are more useful have decent power and 16-17 average mpg is pretty easy to get.

[@khakiswag]

When you consider how much heavier the Excursion is compared to the others, old boy got decent get up.

[@dalejones4322]

Great series. I look forward to every episode. Love it when the three of you are together. Everything is fun and funny. Nathan's little zingers are perfect "as long as it's on camera" and "people just call me a-hole" had me cracking up. The next episode looks like it's going to be great. Thanks guys

[@elvism684]

Andre: Is something dripping underneath? Nathan: No Roman: Nothings dripping Nathan: I mean Im not gonna look but No 😂

[@jameshowey9958]

@@elvism684 V10s don’t drip 😂😂

[@atg1338]

Sounds like you are in LOVE

[@dalejones4322]

@@atg1338 I take it you didn't like my exuberant appreciation of their video?

[@SmoochieMcgoo]

This series is your best yet. Referencing James May made me think for a minute... yeah, you guys really are a version of Top Gear that is home grown. I've been watching for a number of years now and the consistent improvements and progress as I watch your channel(s) grow brings a smile to my face. Incidentally, with your intention of building budget overlanding vehicles, makes me very eager to see the results. Overlanding has absolutely exploded in popularity. I myself am building a 2004 GMC Envoy XUV right now, precisely to do overlanding. Kudos to you for picking the exact right topic for a series, at exactly the right time to present it!

[@AgentSmith911]

I just love Nathan's energy by simply having a V10 under the hood :-D

[@vcdrny]

I have an 05 Escalade and love it. Not a fan of the fuel mileage but that's expected. Super comfortable and easy to work on. And I'm loving how it is representing in this show.

[@hugieflhr03]

Get an after market programmer for the ECM. It makes a world of difference!!! Diablo sport has a good one for a reasonable price.

[@ericrocha4693]

I have the same year Escalade and it has been good to me. Easy to work on and simple upgrades wake up the 6.0. I have a cold air, cat back and programmer and it made a huge difference.

[@ItsMeGiga]

@@hugieflhr03 I might have to check that out. I have a Denali with the same engine, trans combo that's feeling its age. It's also slated for a refresh and a few performance upgrades as well.

[@vulgarshots]

@@ericrocha4693 do you have the 6.0?

[@ericrocha4693]

@@vulgarshots yes I do.

[@backcountrybananaboy]

It is apples to oranges because the ford is a 3/4 ton and the GMs are 1/2 tons but the Ex will tow down the highway better than either of the other two. Merging speed is important but having that Cadillac singing at 4k rpm on the highway would be much less enjoyable than the low end torque of the v10. The extra weight of the Ex also will help with trailer sway and handling in wind. Drag race a semi, I gurantee it takes longer than 30 seconds to get up to 60mph.

[@philthelawnman]

However weight ratio on a semi grossing out at 80,000 pounds compared to them at a fraction of that weight. I drove a semi 27 years.

[@chadedwards7689]

I tow a 32 ft camper trailer with my 01 LT Suburban. Other than the gearing at highway speeds it does great!

[@aaronneher4860]

TFL needs to do a “no payment needed” series on a HD truck from the 90’s and early 2000’s. Maybe a gasser rather than diesel or both to really make it interesting. I’d absolutely love to see what they could come up with for $10,000 or less

[@ryanholmes5364]

10k buys you a lot of truck. I purchased a 2005 Duramax in pretty damn good shape for 11 a couple years ago.

[@Trenton-om9qs]

All of them are good vehicles but the Excursion is my favorite. Those things are beasts

[@Kcducttaper1]

Nothing like some morning coffee and a TFL challenge! I'm most excited about the next episode though!

[@user-fz3sz2dj4r]

this series is cool, feels like a top Gear challenge

[@Adultolescent]

"I say they're all doors but one of them's a jar (ajar)" That line has me ROLLING

[@james10739]

Well I mean the suburban is the oldest and was the slowest in the drag race so an extra 4 seconds towing 7000 lbs isn't that bad and half the cost

[@russlayton3166]

Love this series guys! These old trucks are awesome and something we can all afford.

[@andyo.593]

Afford? How can you afford to pay for gas in this thing.

[@TaigaTurf]

My 5.7 Vortec is still running strong after 25 years.. up there with the Cummins for reliability

[@keeshanwilliams8678]

Hahhahahahhaha!!! “I say they’re all doors, but it says one of them is a jar…” Best Dad joke ever, Nathan!!!! @4:03

[@sorenandersen2159]

Again Nathan is your best guy, makes the videos great. Just keep these three guys and I'll keep watching.

[@BigEd2006]

I'm actually really pleased with how my 2002 Escalade tows! Have to uh replace the rusted out receiver now though.

[@adriandiaz6780]

Thanks for testing used old SUV’s and trucks, with today’s market a lot of people are looking for something more like this!…😊

[@machfive916]

The only thing slower and more comical was Andre's Hummer towing his ski boat for a 0-60 time of 35.77 seconds back on 21 MAY 2020. Great video. Can't wait to see their "transformation" to Overlanders.

[@carsandkicks]

I had a mint 5.7 1999 SLT with the towing package and it gives extra oil coolers for the trans so your always running at 1/4 gearbox temps very tough

[@thomasnew8606]

Fun series, thanks guys!

[@robbinconner9061]

A really fun series. As always Andre is a star and the chemistry of all is great.

[@Mozgarage]

I used to own a 1999 GMC Suburban 2500 it was the best SUV I ever owned. The suburban was a fleet vehicle for quest star and they maintained there fleet very good. I bought the suburban with 130k. The 5.7 v8 was awesome. Great at towing and plenty of room to sleep in. I miss it and I wish I still owned it.

[@sublime12201]

This is a great diesel truck commercial 👍👍

[@Matticus289]

Keep doing this kind of stuff!

[@perpelle]

I wouldn't measure how good a vehicle is at towing based on 0-60. My new mid-size does 0-60 unloaded in 10 seconds which is extremely slowly across the pond (the US) and I think it's perfectly adequate.

[@ImprovisedExpletiveDevice]

Could you guys publish the stats of these vehicles when you release these comparison videos? It would be helpful to know HP, torque, curb weight, 4x4 or not, most relevant towing capacity, and price. Just throwing a quick table in the video description would really help the audience grasp what you are comparing. Thanks for doing these, looks like you guys had fun.

[@LeakyJoosbox]

"if you want a viper mixed with a truck, here you go". *Ram srt10 enters the chat with an actual viper motor under the hood*

[@ItsMeGiga]

Those are so rare and the ones that are for sale you can get a fairly modern truck for the same price. I'd love to get my hands on one though

[@LeakyJoosbox]

@@ItsMeGiga they are sick

[@LeakyJoosbox]

@Buddy Munro 1. He didn't say suv, he said truck. 2. Who tf cares? Couldn't compete with one even if it wanted to 😂

[@christinajacobs3189]

Love the everyman’s rigs just having fun. The OP diesel wars were ... ^~^

[@JonBecker81]

They should do this same setup on the gauntlet. 😂

[@MrRitchiecraig]

These old beasts were pretty good in their day. Really....they are all 20 years old and running on 20 year old engineering. And a 7000 # trailer is a load. For sure more gears would help reduce the RPM drops between shifts.....and they would not have to run so hard to gain speed. Of course the SUVs of the current day would perform better but hey, it's 20 years later. I had two late 90s Suburbans. Just great vehicles. They were incredibly comfortable, durable and so spacious. They still look great to me. The Caddy just looks like an old Caddy. The Excursion is just too heavy duty and a total gas hog. So I'm pulling for the Burb.

[@brianfreeman5257]

I wish they still made these 3/4 ton truck based SUVS. My 03 Suburban 2500 feels much more stable towing my 7000lb trailer compared to my 2017 Expedition, but expo with the ecoboost and 10 speed tranny pulls it effortlessly.

[@brennanlandaker2981]

Would be cool to see an Ike gauntlet of the 8.1 suburban vs the 6.0 or 7.3 excursion

[@Ethan_FPV]

As someone who owns a 7.3 excursion, it would’ve put these to shame. It’s normal 0-60 is about 10 seconds. But there’s so much torque, it doesn’t slow down that much under load. I can push the gas even just slightly and start gaining speed on a steep incline in fourth gear! In the nearly 8,000 lbs truck, I’ve accidentally done a burnout on pavement because there’s just so much instant torque. And I hear the 6.0 is more powerful for all its other shortcomings!

[@Lonewolf23-26]

Yep I can also attest as a 7.3 excursion owner I’ve hauled my 30 foot travel at 6500 easily and had good mpg doing it too!

[@jeffcarter8160]

You all are so fun! Love the editing too!

[@wesshepard]

Super fun video once again guys!

[@nordicwolf8808]

Loved the James May (Captain Slow) reference. Can you guys print a T-shirt for Andre with’ Admiral Methodical’ in huge letters and surprise him…. Lol excellent series, please make this a permanent event.

[@sergiosolis4538]

Great episode 👏. When you guys get to Moab call Trail Mater, and Matt's Off Road Recovery if you run into any problems.

[@drron5608]

Another test i think would b cool would b doing intake exhaust and see if it makes a difference in performance

[@tommays56]

On my old 4.3 4 Speed auto you just towed in 3Rd gear and let it run at 2600 Rpm which made plenty of power to hold speed on hilly sections

[@coreybatorski9626]

Great series and video

[@georgearevalo781]

The musketeers....you guys are great these vids are awesome

[@hugieflhr03]

LQ9 is 340hp and 380ft lbs of torque and it’s probably underrated. Never brake torque a GM!!! It slower when you do.

[@safetylast911]

fords have that very common problem with the door sensor not sensing when it's actually closed. There is a video of how to fix it sometimes with just spray lube.

[@MasonAK.1]

I had that happen on an Excursion when I worked in a shop but spraying it didn't work... same for my in-laws Super Duty

[@gurskysgarage2468]

At the end of the video on the results page y’all put Ford Expedition instead of Ford Excursion lol. I think the excursion is still the best tow rig out of all of them. Great video!!!

[@ryantorrey8485]

That was awesome should have ran premium in all three trucks good job keep up the good work😎

[@kalebaldwin5398]

It's generally a good idea to use the low gears on a 4L60E (without tow/haul mode) while towing. Otherwise, you're just asking for torque converter failure.

[@BigEd2006]

2-3 shift band is what usually goes on tow rigs...ask me how I know :(

[@EdgarObeeone]

Just to start towing, or should to keep 4low? 🤔

[@blake8297]

Thats an interesting coupler setup there....

[@hollywinsman9464]

Congratulations Andrey!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@kevinadams5592]

The cheap car challenges are my favorite

[@ItsFoux]

The door ajar light on the excursion is very common and sometimes can never be fixed lol. The sensors in the back doors and glass set it off.

[@intrepid4x4]

Great video, although your results said expedition instead of excursion...🙂 excited for the next one!

[@Localgarage400]

Should have done it with the suburban 2500 big block

[@Localgarage400]

That thing would have won

[@davidcastillosagahon464]

I would like to know if you swaped the old air filters, that can make a huge difference in the vehicle´s performance

[@jjanego123]

Yessir this makes me love my 03 Escalade EXT even more, the durability and looks, performance is all great

[@redsoxfan26401]

The Caddy Avalanche!

[@jjanego123]

@@redsoxfan26401 yep, both are great but I personally like the cleaner look of the ext, without all the plastic mouldings on the lower parts and all that

[@redsoxfan26401]

@@jjanego123 I'm not a fan of all the plastic either. I drive a 2010 Avalanche LTZ. It's the newer style without it.

[@brianblake1968]

Loving this series.

[@jeremyhowell2332]

A 2500 burb with a 454 / 4l80 would’ve been a closer comparison to the other two.

[@DocGTO]

Admiral methodical lol. Love it

[@67FORDTRUCKF250]

I had a 99 yukon and towed a 20' enclosed trailer with a race E30 inside and all the gear....it was at Denver altitude.....seemed to do just fine...not fast, but it worked....

[@HioSSilver1999]

Where's the 8.1 burb at?

[@yissibiiyte]

Wasn't expecting a James May reference. Also a screenshot of 17:33 is my new favourite image

[@chehystpewpur4754]

i thought that was a big block suburban at the beginning. but i was surprised to see the 350 when they popped the hood. always loved the real vortec motors. when i was younger i had a 1500 z71 with the 305. actually got great gas mileage 28mpg hwy but it could outrun the camaros and mustangs in the 1/4 mile. in the tahoes they got more power than the trucks. then when the ls motors came out i was like wait this doesnt feel right wheres the power. now that im older and can have nice things i have an s10 blazer with a built vortec motor in it. just a little 350 that can outrun the new corvette. and get better gas mileage. nobody believes my gas mileage but the math doesnt lie and neither do the results. if you dont need to turn rpms to make power you dont need to drain the tank to do 30 mph. most of the stock ls motors have a 3000+ rpm stall convertor. i ran an 1800 with my motor and hated it. swapped in a 1650 and i wish it was lower. torque is the only thing that matters when your building a motor in my eyes. yes rpms and hp are cool. but without torque youll never get either of those.

[@perpelle]

That hitch really puts some leverage on the receiver.

[@normiels3]

Love this series, hooked me on the channel. You guys are great.

[@TFLtruck]

Thanks for the kind words

[@jameshowey9958]

Great video

[@leviontiveros5219]

I have a 2000 GMC Yukon XL. 1500. She has 260,000 miles and still working strong pulling trailers and going across state.

[@ripfletching]

I would love to see an episode were you put a supercharger on that VTN or a big turbo it would be awesome there’s a guy in Russia who does that in those things are monsters he puts giant tires on them lockers on the front and rear and tears up the countryside

[@dennyj8650]

That Escaladed quickly! Quite surprised.

[@GeneralmotorsMHM]

I’ll take the GMC any day of the week, the GMT400 Yukon/Suburbans were fantastic units

[@nickl5305]

Were both the escalade and the suburban in 3rd for the tow test? that's what the manual suggests for towing

[@sullybiker6520]

Something I think about with these old vehicles is you're looking at the fate of every new and shiny thing. This is how they all end up, and here they are, still providing service.

[@kaineleeabel]

Roman nailed the Tommy part talking about the suburban

[@ryzen397]

yea the old fords/lincolns always had that door ajar annoying ding issue.. I had a town car that constantly bitched about the door being ajar and the interior lights would come on and it was so frustrating...

[@kingelvis7035]

All closer than I thought they'd be

[@user-nc9ml1rj6u]

These videos make me really love my 02 Escalade….

[@hunternield2408]

The squeal from the excursion was "normal" they really all do that with age, i forget the reason but i knew once apon a time. youll hear it in 4.6s and 5.4s as well

[@SimpleGunner]

filling this beast up next episode is going to be fun.

[@markmccarty9793]

These newer 8 and 10 speed transmissions really help by keeping the engines in the range were they are making the most of the torque and horsepower range. But when they break!!

[@natep1661]

I like the top gear reference 👍