Does the 2020 Ram 3500 Cummins Out-tow Ford and GM on the World's Toughest Towing Test?

( www.TFLtruck.com ) Does the 2020 Ram 3500 Cummins Out-tow Ford and GM on the World's Toughest Towing Test - the Ike Gauntlet? We compare the 2020 GMC 3500 and 2020 F-350 diesel trucks as well.
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[@The1GWP]

I love that they always have new content. Keep up the great work!

[@Napster60]

SO.. let me get this right.. If the truck does its own brake applications then its fine.. but if the driver has to brake then it counts against the total?? Why? the truck is probably using more braking then a human would. so its GOOD for it to wear my brakes faster and potentially overheat and warp them??

[@dodgeman2324]

Napster6 The Exhaust brake is way stronger in Ram then the Ford and GMC , the point is the truck is safer and won’t let ya have a run away, have you ever hauled over 30,000 lbs with a 3500 pickup?

[@doublelung5746]

Something isn't right with that truck it was only pushing 20psi boost should be 35 psi under load

[@Napster60]

@@dodgeman2324 You have no way of proving that the engine brake is stronger whatsoever.. The computer in the RAM uses the normal brakes more than the computer in the Ford or the Chevy.. That much is blatantly obvious. "Zero break applications" does not mean the brakes weren't used.. That's part of the problem that hundreds of commenters are currently having with this video. And considering that 30,000 lbs of towing capacity takes a CDL I highly doubt you have towed that much so what's your point?

[@dodgeman2324]

Napster6 hahahahaha I’m licensed with AZ

[@davidhillbrand2302]

The fact that the Ram held you on the down hill with 0 brake applications is impressive. Downhill with a load that size is FAR more important than how fast you go up the hill. The cummins will never be the fastest when compared to a V8 but the overall towing experience and control can not be beat.

[@KoolCordell]

Ford can do the same thing, they just didn't get one with adaptive cruise this year. GM however doesn't offer adaptive cruise yet. They have a following distance alert tho. They did the f450 years ago with adaptive cruise and it held them.

[@mike2191958]

David Hillbrand 👍

[@1coolvideo]

Yep. The Ford will hold it too. They set the slight increase in speed to low. Leave foot off break with cruise on and it will downshift and bring it right back to preset speed. PS. Ford crushed them. Also, he always complains about dodge mirrors and how they can’t telescope in/out. Till now. But they still don’t telescope. Terrible design.

[@mike2191958]

If you plan on keeping a truck 4 to 8 years it’s a no brainer Ram is the only way to go. If you like spending thousands don’t buy a ram if I had to explain you shouldn’t buy a diesel truck

[@dor1tomcswagger69]

@@KoolCordell ford doesn't have the air ride though which is huge when you're towing

[@tomschuette6133]

You need to rank the downhill control higher than the speed going up. When pulling 30k it is more important to have control on the descent vs speed climbing.

[@davemurphy2774]

You may be right... But only .0001% of trailers pulled on a givin day travel downhill on the Gauntlet and need 5 brakes but you need to have passin get up and go sometimes daily on the highway.... And the Ram does not have the Ford "JAM"!!! Cummins blow their "Exhaust" gaskets on "Ike type" even shorter hills if on a daily basis!!!! "Perfect run" 10 minutes but none of the trucks can do it????

[@idontknowanything2378]

@@davemurphy2774 idk I find it really weird the the more powerful truck with 1075 lb ft of torque didn't get a way better time going uphill

[@TheGenerationX894]

@@davemurphy2774 guys they're keeping them at 60. And if anyone thinks in the altitude like this that the Ford diesel is tougher or more reliable than the Cummins, you clearly don't live there. Even Ford dealers cannot keep up with the repairs and breakdowns of their engines, and send them to other shops in hopes that the customer gets it back sooner. If you live in Colorado and drive a truck, especially a large weight pulling truck, just look around, it's ram everywhere!

[@robertbenton6649]

Need to change the scoring graphic at the end. It says GMC got 72.5 not the Ram. Great video.

[@clarin3318]

Come get it right IT guys!!

[@NateDawg0007]

I would love if you run these torture tests again during peak summer to show if their cooling systems can hold up. They all probably do much better in the cold on the uphill portion because their cooling isn't stressed at all.

[@lavrinnd1858]

Ram has my vote, when hauling that much weight I'd rather have control than speed, I was hauling a larger skid steer with my old V10 ram and the trailer break controller stopped working halfway there so it was a bit of a surprise when it tried to push me through a turn, kept it under control but still wasnt ideal

[@egator8565]

All these monsters perform well! At the end of the day we’re splitting hairs with MPG, Slowing and stopping capabilities, time it takes on ascension, ect. For anyone that has towed heavy, handling and the ability to slow and stop that much weight should have more bearing on which direction to go when spending 60k+ on a truck unless you’re brand loyal at which point whatever truck you choose will do just fine. Great video!

[@bdt4416]

Cool testing. I commute daily on the ‘gauntlet’ have for 15 years and have seen lots of trucks not make it up with loads. Lots of broke down duramaxes

[@Aggressive_Splooge]

I've seen precummins and power stroke off's broken down on the Ike all the time.

[@beanfaded]

not good for gm 😬

[@brandon65678]

Tiny no you didn’t

[@nick54372]

Do it mid summer when the Engines get heat soak!!! THEN SEE HOW GOOD THEY PULL ON A 90+ degree day!!

[@frp1276]

Ok.

[@autoexoticswestcoast]

Imagine that... I mean this weather was LOVED by these turbo diesels. On a hot day, they'll easily lose power specially when on cold days the air is more condensed

[@HardstylePete]

@@autoexoticswestcoast all internal combustion engines will run less efficiently in the hot weather but diesel is always the most efficient option for moving heavy loads.

[@aceofspades6667]

Ford and Ram both sure do make helluva nice trucks at the top end. Well done with the video TFL!

[@itchytriggerfinger7622]

Ace of Spades I like the fact you can see the motor inside the Ram. It’s not covered with hoses and wires.

[@markparker4032]

@@itchytriggerfinger7622 I like that about the Ram as well....also I think the Cummins sounds better.....but hard to beat the power of the Powerstroke.

[@andrewphelps7894]

@mtrujillo1973 i got a 2019 powerstroke with 40000 miles on site right now thats already burnin a quart of oil a day....

[@brandonlewis5045]

@@andrewphelps7894 would never buy a ford nowadays. Stick to Cummins or duramax. Probably Cummins for the overall win

[@RamonMartinez-uk1nt]

@@markparker4032 both sound good when u do some exhaust work if u know what I mean lol

[@joatmon1857]

Still my choice for a truck. As a Class A CDL holder and fellow Colorado resident the Ram has EVERYTHING a truck driver actually wants and needs! Speed is good but braking is where it counts!!! By far the best looking and usable truck of the three bar none!!!

[@marlboroman2393]

Hey hot shot you’re notna real trucker. I love my 6.7 power stroke but for my ranch shit. drivin hot shot doesn’t make you a trucker. -your real class A cdl with air brakes

[@ericsampedrohernandez8093]

​@@marlboroman2393😂 ya sure taught em

[@warthundershorts6649]

​@@marlboroman2393 i had a stroke trying to read this

[@Chad-wb7du]

I love that you guys have the comparison from the other two trucks!! It’s very helpful to put those clips in. Way to go guys

[@RAHMX145]

I don't care so much who can do it the fastest. I care which truck can do this year after year without huge maintenance costs. It's going to be interesting to see how these trucks hold up over the next 10+ years. I appreciate the hard work you gentlemen put into these reviews. Thanks.

[@nmelkhunter1]

Well said.

[@CreepinCreeper145]

Cummins, hand down. I6 vs its V8 colleagues, less moving parts, tried-and-true 6.7 design. All of them will suffer with after treatment problems.

[@passionfruitestate9691]

Nice job guys ! Finally we have a truck company that uses their engineering and technology to control the down hill speed perfectly. This is what I would expect in this day and age. Kudos to the RAM folks.

[@mtevilone]

Just because the electronics applies the brakes instead of the driver is not impressive. Especially with the issues Fiat has across the company.

[@MrComputerCoder]

@@mtevilone Good thing it's not a Fiat. It is impressive too whether you like it or not. It made driving safer and gave the driver more time to focus on driving. That's improvement. Next thing you'll say is Tesla's safety features aren't impressive either. The other trucks couldn't do it and cost the same. Just another punch in the gut to them.

[@Napster60]

@@MrComputerCoder Who knows how many brake applications the Ram made? If making the computer do the braking means it wears out my brakes twice as fast as a human then no thank you.. i have feet and i know how to use them.

[@MrComputerCoder]

@@Napster60 I didn't ask now did I? It's the way of the future and should be tested. Don't like it? don't care.

[@Napster60]

@@MrComputerCoder Never said it shouldn't be tested.. But for years the point of the brake application test was to see how effective brake cooling and how the wear was during this rough test on brakes.. They used to jump out at the end of the hill and check the temps of the brakes.. This is a handy and comfortable piece of technology don't put words in my mouth! BUT saying the truck had QUOTE " No brake applications" is FACTUALLY wrong. not counting them because the computer is doing it is disingenuous at best!

[@christopherjilek5467]

I have been waiting for this video for a long time. Did not disappoint, great job TFL!!!

[@BigInjun05]

That hill descend is crazy. Still scares me to have a diesel sit at redline for that long 😂😂

[@bandabanderos]

Big Injun stock cummins turn 4K rpm lots on tuned truck. 5k on the older ones. It’s fine

[@dankoldenhoven4997]

The only time I've ever redlined any of my Cummins is going down that hill. Max exhaust brake performance

[@BigInjun05]

@@bandabanderos saw one couple days ago at my cousins shop where cylinder 1 was blown to pieces.

[@bandabanderos]

Big Injun anything can happen, of course. But that’s not the norm

[@BigInjun05]

@@bandabanderos no, I know they are dependable.

[@gregburnett6642]

I always put my air ride Ram into the tire jack mode when loading it up so you can see the squat. As soon as you drive over 5 mph it airs up. Or take it out of tire jack mode and it airs up immediately.

[@rickbrown7067]

Love my Ram towing my 5th wheel! The exhaust brake is awesome. Going down siskiyou my, no applications of the brake. The exhaust brake kept me under control love it.

[@deanieweenie116]

Love how you guys are very informative and keep up to date with all the new trucks. Tests I think are concise and fair. Although, I think that speed and fuel economy are extremely important when towing, but what about temperatures? I think you guys should incorporate temperatures while towing as well, that is a seriously vital factor in towing and trucks overall performance.

[@APGJuggernaut]

Darn impressive even if its slower than the powerstroke. You guys at TFL are giving me new career aspirations.

[@josh6757]

Your chain looked like it was loose on the bucket of that excavator. I really like these videos keep them coming. I am the owner of a new 2020 f350 dually just like the one you tested same gear ratio and everything and I have to admit it is a powerful towing monster I love it! lol. I like the visibility a lot better than the dodges too.

[@Pedrofitbulls]

Good bay pal

[@4-LOW]

Handling and braking are more critical than speed. Ram wins in my mind.

[@danmoro1526]

100% agree! I'll take the extra 1 minute to get there safely

[@donleamon8653]

Dan Moro - and relaxed, not tense. Adds up with a lot of miles.

[@dor1tomcswagger69]

I don't know how the ford won with 5 brake applications lol downhill test to me are more crucial then going uphill quick not to mention every review I see between these 3 they say the Ram tows better so how did ford score those extra points 😂

[@thekeatons4]

Yeah I was a little confused by that as well. Besides the uphill time, what did the Ford win? Ram beat it in the downhill, squat and interior. I love my 2018 Ram 3500 DRW Longhorn! Im not going to upgrade until they change the cab over to the same as the Ram 1500's... I hear in 2021 or 2022.

[@CliffWarren]

Agree completely. Between going uphill fast and going down safely and securely, I'll be more concerned with the going down every time.

[@paulherring8208]

Like the Smokey and the Bandit nice review tfl thanks 👍

[@andrewhixson2235]

Mines a 2019 Ram 3500 Cummins(HO) Laramie, SRW short bed, 3.73 axel. I love towing with it. The most I've towed so far is 10 ton(20,000lbs), but it pulls like a champ. I'm in the PA with have mountains, nothing like this videos towing test. One of the first modification I did was got rid of the original AIr box and installed a S&B cold air intake, got rid of the turbo baffle. Still not loud inside the cab if you like low noise. I noticed a lot more throttle response from the extra air flow. And when I'm not towing and driving normal in the highway, I'm currently getting 22MPG on the highway. I also plow with it in the winter time and have had no issues with it plowing.

[@mattg8116]

Just pointing out, if you look at the RPM that the Powerstroke makes peak torque and peak power there is nothing high revving about it. This idea that V8's are racers, and I6's are luggers is a fallacy. Each architecture is very flexible in its design. In this case both the Cummins and Powerstroke are luggers, but the Powerstroke lugs even more considering the torque and RPM!

[@Mlmjunkie]

I own the Ram and so I am bias. Good review of all trucks. I will say the new Fords have stepped up the game, they are really nice, but my Ram makes me very happy and I really love it. Pulls everything I need it to pull with no issues at all. Thanks guys. P.S. my trucks name is Rambo!

[@C10sRule]

Big D Productions - I like your comment. Honest and to the point. The biggest thing is you bought what you need, it does what you expected. At that point it really doesn’t matter what brand you bought, as long as it is reliable enough. I just had a 2019 Ram 1500 Classic and it was a problematic vehicle. I still like Ram, don’t get me wrong, but I sold it and bought a F150 Raptor. The F150s I have had since 2004 have been flawless (I’ve had a few Ranching). The Raptor fits my wants in this case. I had modified the Ram to suit my needs, but it didn’t perform off-road to my needs, that was my fault and not the trucks fault. If I had bought a Rebel, I probably would still have it. You were smarter than I was and you got the truck you needed and wanted the FIRST time!! Hahaha. Stay safe out there, Eh!

[@Mlmjunkie]

@@C10sRule those Raptors are bad A$$

[@Rucker537]

Agreed, mine is Rambro!

[@jcnun3930]

keep sending your money to Italy

[@Mlmjunkie]

@@jcnun3930 actually spent my money in the USA. At a USA dealer, owned and operated by Americans, and the money ended up a bank here in the USA.

[@mz6187]

I hope they test the trucks in the middle of summer in high heat with max loads

[@rsg1963]

Excellent idea!

[@paulrivas1024]

I agree, it would be down to the ram and gmc! Fords trans temps were significantly higher even in the cold weather!

[@joshszydel8202]

@@paulrivas1024 the Ford is designed to run that warm. Owned every year ford from 15. They all run 190-210.

[@entreptiles]

Honestly, all of these trucks are great! Buy whatever you like and be happy. 😅

[@MrTruckTV]

Good advice

[@BrianLampright913]

Amen!

[@jcnun3930]

only one is great, the other two not so much

[@BrianLampright913]

JC Nun after owning both RAM’s and Ford’s and my friends also owning ALL the brands combined they ALL have pros and cons. Fords are not as perfect as the fan boys claim them to be. Between death wobble, failing EGT sensors, and loosing a water pump that cost him $4000 to repair my best friend who is die hard Ford isn’t too happy...

[@harleyhawk7959]

@@BrianLampright913 every vehicle can have failures. he paid good money for a rig he should be able to maintain it properly which most people fail to at miserably

[@zachc1297]

I dont even tow but these videos are solid and informative.

[@jackprick9797]

I appreciate the great video, thank you! Have you guys ever considered adding a dyno-test to your review? It would be great to find out how much power the vehicles are making at the rear wheels vs SAE test claims and also a good point to compare vs their competition.

[@michaelmurphy5221]

mtrujillo1973 Ram puts more torque to the road over GM and Ford. Watch again

[@jedironin380]

Great video, as always. You two are a good team for testing the heavy-haulers. Andre, great to hear you're working on getting your CDL! I'm sure Kent can get you all prepared for the test. :)

[@JasonS_IN317]

Do you guys realize that the text in your Gold Hitch score at the end says GMC Denali, not Ram? Great test! The capability of these trucks continues to impress every year.

[@Toddmars]

This was a damn great review! Thumbs up from me. Hey TFL, which of the 3 would you buy Andre? Based on all the towing test, engine, trans, interior, technology, and overall performance & looks????????

[@moldcos21]

I can speak for Andrei, THE FORD!!!! xD

[@MrMicroguy]

I got the '21 350 HD dually and love it, $92k and some change. I pull a 34' RV, and believe me, that exhaust grake is a life saver. Its really lkike reverse cruise controll for going downhill. I set it (tap the brake at the speed i want) and forget it. Stays right there, only have to watch it on curves.

[@wowcantbelieveit2780]

💯 correct my 2022 F350 dually does a fantastic job.

[@brenteason9891]

Hopefully we can see the raw uphill footage on this one too. Good work, guys!!!

[@calsam4112]

It would be sweet for TFL Truck to do similar tests back when these trucks were "simple" diesel trucks. Like 1999-2003 era. Kind of a tribute to these monsters and how far they've come!

[@001blackmax]

Guys I'll just tell ya... Y'all have an addictive channel! Come out to East TN and climb some of our mountains sometime! Keep up the good work Thanks for all the great interesting content!

[@specforged5651]

001blackmax ... There isn’t any “mountains” in the east.

[@001blackmax]

@@specforged5651 have you ever been to East Tennessee? Our "Mountains" may not be as large but they are steep as a cats ass and switchbacks for days.

[@kgb5351]

@@001blackmax Steep as a cats ass? Damn that is steep!

[@jeffforbess6802]

Get on the dragon tail

[@kcwerv]

One thing I've learned in my 2019 Chevy is I have to be in cruse control a good bit before I hit the downhill runs. This will keep the speed without having to hit the break. For some reason if I try to set it just as I start (or after) going down hill it will run way over the speed set on the cruise control.

[@btqy]

Set the cruise 15 mph lower

[@kcwerv]

@@btqy I upgrade to a Ram 3500.

[@btqy]

@@kcwerv NICE

[@RidgeRunner_Outdoors]

Hey TFL, your videos are the best! I'd really like to see you test a SRW Ram 3500 with the HO Cummins/Aisin against a similarly equipped one with the standard Cummins/68rfe. I'm just curious about how big of a difference it makes in real world testing.

[@michaeloatman6102]

I am wondering how many times the truck hit the brake going down the hill. You can feel it or the only other way to know is watch the trailer brake lights.

[@Nonplused]

Does the new towing systems actually apply the brakes? My Ram is a 2011 so old school now but all it does in Tow/Haul is change gears and it does have an automatic exhaust brake, which is awesome. But it does not apply the brakes. I don't tow anything near 30,000 lbs, maybe about 15,000, but damn that exhaust brake can practically stop the vehicle even on a steep slope. It sort of cuts out once there isn't enough engine revs but by then it is in first and not going very fast. That is one feature of the exhaust brake is that it is rpm dependent and works much better if the engine is reving high, so it is not consistent. But it sure does work. Almost too well. In my 2011, once you tap the brake it is on and it doesn't turn off until you tap the gas. I don't know what it would do in cruise control as I never hardly use it especially when towing. I just don't find cruise useful because everyone else isn't using it, or if they are they are going slow. Oh and I had an experience once where I hit some ice on a bridge in cruise and that was not pleasant. Thankfully I was able to steer out of it but I was probably 30 degrees to straight when I hit dry pavement again, which caused quite a jolt. So I never use cruise if there is water, snow or ice on the road anymore. All those vehicles you see in the ditch when it's snowing are usually all-wheel drives with traction control. Traction control sure gets you going, but it don't help a lot when you have to turn a corner.

[@mindwreckRC]

love the exhaust brake in my personal 2011 as well. we have new trucks from all brands in my company fleet so i get to try all the new trucks too. the chevys exhaust brake might as well be fake. Literally does nothing. truck continues to speed up on any type of slope. Rams exhaust brake is by far the best. Don't even have to use my brake pedal til it slows itself down to 20mph.

[@tivowillieb]

Michael Oatman I don’t think it actually applies the brakes. It uses the engine for braking (exhaust braking).

[@Nonplused]

@@tivowillieb That would make more sense to me, I don't think I would want cruise control hitting the brakes I can do that myself. I rented a car once with "lane assist" and I hated it. Also it fits better with the video because if the cruise control was using the brakes it should never have gotten up to 40 mph on the decent part of the run.

[@paulf9653]

Yes I do believe it does apply the brakes. Check out the video at the 2:05 mark. He talks about it braking the truck and applying the trailer brakes as well as the brake lights. I'm no Dodge fan but that's pretty damn cool.

[@1tylerproud]

Great test. Love these big duallys. Can’t go wrong with any of them but my money would go ford. Probably an f450

[@benjaminturpin2749]

Nah ford's suck man. Buy a ford will pay the price lmao. Your ass will be stranded on the side of the road. Is the powerstroke an option in semis? No haha only cummins, they are real diesels

[@gregs3032]

on the down hill test, i think it only fair that you count how many brake applications the truck made. you can just say that there was no brake applications

[@bbond302]

Agreed. Just because you didn't hit the brakes doesn't mean the brakes were not hit. Stupid.

[@bestracer500]

Other trucks had adaptive cruise control so supposedly they were supposed to stop on their on but didnt

[@drewk5929]

Just for fun I’d love to see a video of you guys using an older truck like 07 Chevy LBZ duramax and see how it handles trailering compared to today’s new trucks. Thanks good video guys

[@BaracW]

Nice to see again, an Ike test done the way it's supposed to be done. The cruise control tells the truck what speed you desire, and the truck does what it needs to do to try and keep it (exhaust brake, auto brake applications, down shift, etc). If I was buying a truck this year, would no doubt be the Ford. Used your videos a few years ago to help me decide on purchase... bought a 2017 F350 DRW King Ranch. Loving it! Thanks TFLTruck for your reviews.

[@harleyjackson5513]

Yes@ I would definately get the Ford!

[@ib516]

The graphic at the end with the score says GMC DENALI instead of RAM @18:35

[@TheUnsureFox]

Yes, I noticed that too. Oops!

[@hotshottingwithaChevyhd]

That's no oops that's what they really want to say, u see more Broke down rams then any other names one guy i know got a brand new ram and it broke down about 63,000 miles and now they say it not under warranty anymore smdh

[@josephlane4450]

the warranty is 6 year or 60,000 miles of course they'll say its out of warranty, duh

[@DustinGould]

@@hotshottingwithaChevyhd pd diesel power on youtube he has several high mileage cummins hot shot trucks recent couple videos on a truck at 500k miles and talks about the repairs they needeed along the way which was virtually none

[@ConTheDon187]

@@hotshottingwithaChevyhd I live in colorado and drive up and down a pass everyday and by far the most trucks broken down are fords. I also work on all these trucks and multiple 2014-17 ram 3500's with the 6.7L cummins with 300k-450k miles on them and all they've had done is routine maintenance and like all solid front axle trucks tie rods and ball joints. All the fords unfortunately haven't lasted and one of our biggest clients is an insanely busy tow/repo company. they have about 15 3500's and 3 f350's, and they started out with the same amount.

[@tillsy23]

What an amazing machine, we have the 2018 model here in Australia where the truck is annoyingly rated to tow a maximum of 4500kg or 9900lbs all for the small price of $186,000 🤪

[@Inspector694]

I wouldn’t want my truck redlining down a grade, im ok with using my brakes a few times im mean thats why you got em. Plus brakes are cheaper to replace rather than an engine or transmission, just my 2 cents

[@DelTalkoh]

That engine is designed to run like that. It's how an exhaust brake works on a diesel engine. The red line might be at 3200 rpm but those engines can easily handle that, they just stop making power at that high of rpm. Also using exhaust brake is much safer than using your actual brakes. Using physical brakes shifts weight around or can create brake fade. The brake pedal while towing, especially with diesel is an in case of emergency device, you need them to be 100% when you need it.

[@generation-x406]

Its perfectly fine running like that. Whats not fine and happens a lot easier is brake fade. I would gladly grenade an engine/trans than not being able to stop.

[@11TruthAssassin]

buddy at the factory when they test the engines before they go for sale they pretty much have them redlined for 24 hours straight ! to see if the engine is good enough quality to sell to customers

[@dchawk81]

I might be bitter but I'd still rather kill the truck than myself if I had to choose.

[@ShotGunner5609]

The engine has an actual cooling system unlike the brakes man. All it does is turn the engine into a big compressor and create some more parasitic drag in order to slow everything down. This doesn't harm the engine or reduce it's lifespan at all. A good driver in a vehicle with exhaust brakes should be using them at the correct speed and getting 90% of his braking from the engine itself. Yes, pads are cheap to replace. But you flat out shouldnt need to use them.

[@spacemanwithraygun3933]

I've driven that stretch of road endlessly, 2012 Ram 3500 6.7l is all I drove then. Beast.

[@MiguelPerez-nk2wu]

That is a clean looking truck. It honestly comes down to personal preference nowadays because in regards to performance they are very similar

[@john-martin]

Miguel Perez The Dodge went up the Gauntlet almost a minute and a half slower than the Ford, thats not very similar performance.

[@SuperV8driver]

@@john-martin but never had to brake down the hill, thats even more impirtant if you live in a mountain area

[@MiguelPerez-nk2wu]

john martin better gas mileage and better downhill performance

[@DJRyder7]

@@john-martin Dodge got out of the trucks after 2010. Maybe get with the last decade and call it what it is... RAM

[@32degreestowing76]

We have a MEGA Cab DUALLY coming soon to us in Australia.. Can`t wait to put it to use in the outback!

[@lance_r72]

Hope Roman had some hot chocolate waiting when y'all got done! The Ram looked the best out of the 3. Very impressed with the downhill performance. Well done Ram!

[@MCordon1]

Andre and Mr. Truck are the best at explaining and entertaining.

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@Matt-mh5ud]

Having owned air suspensions, they are absolutely wonderful, until components of the system begin failing.

[@nomaam9797]

Matt and they will fail .... all these new trucks Are loaded with with features that are going to need repairs in 4 -5 years

[@JD-sl1qs]

I had air suspension and sold the truck with over 200k miles and only had to replace couplers. The bags will last a very long time if you’re not abusing them. Even if it does go they are not difficult or expensive to replace.

[@rsg1963]

Well, that would be true if it were an actual issue. But it's not. Air suspensions have been around for decades and they have proven to be very reliable. Especially these types on the back of the HD line. Seriously, look for any trends in air suspension issues. The closest you'll come are the full air suspensions on the 1500 series Rams and those are mainly issues with extreme cold weather and mainly from a few years back. The HD systems are rock solid.

[@pjkidzjamboree3660]

@@rsg1963 See they world does have smart people. I like how you schooled them up there

[@sideskraft]

Having owned many different vehicles over 40+ years, those vehicles are absolutely wonderful, until their components begin failing. All mechanical things have a service life. I think everyone gets the point.

[@chrisroy8668]

Great videos, great content and nice that it is unbiased. One bit of criticism though... for the mirror stick out it would seem to be more accurate to open both windows and get an overall width, cab widths vary from truck to truck. Next up is the max tow rating of the RAM truck, yes it was higher than the other two but the Ford tested had a 3.55 gear set and GM had the only option of 3.42 from what I can see on their web site. If you buy a Ford with 4.10 gears you get an additional 3,400lb of towing capacity for a total of 34,700lb when properly equipped. Lastly, while the RAM sat really well in the rear it looked like it had the front end way up in the air seemingly due to the lever action of the air ride rear end. Perhaps it was in illusion. I wonder what the axle weights are (front and rear) when loaded. I'm a Ford guy but apart form brand loyalty, I like all three brands and can appreciate how you guys set up your videos. Just a few more specifics in terms of axle ratios as tested and different gear ratios availbale, as well as dimensions taken from more accurate points would be great. Keep up the great work, by far the best truck content of the web, awesome job!!! Chris Roy

[@rsg1963]

Good balanced comments! I agree they should measure the front wheel wells too to see a better picture of what's happening overall.

[@bryanelzey01]

Great video, When I'm pulling a load I like to have downhill control over uphill speed anyday.

[@robrozek9265]

456 gears in that truck would be in stoppable. Great review love the channel

[@tuffr2]

Redline on a diesel bothers me. I think I would have braked a few times to keep it away from the red line. Maybe 2 or 3 brake applications. Also I noticed continual steering corrections.

[@dylanbarrett599]

I totally agree with the lack of the steering wheel telescoping. I bought a 2022 ram and didn’t realize there was no telescope on the steering wheel and I literally couldn’t do it. Had to trade the truck back in for a ford.

[@mahhty4279]

I’ll take a slower uphill run in order to get that easy of a downhill run! Amazing work by Ram

[@seanbutler2291]

5 months later recalled for electrical fires 🤣

[@diamondhead203]

@@seanbutler2291 2022 Fords 10speeds are found to be garbage. 🤷🏻‍♂️. Ram all the way!!

[@diamondhead203]

@@seanbutler2291 2022 Fords 10speeds are found to be garbage. 🤷🏻‍♂️. Ram all the way!!

[@fedoratheexplora7180]

I like the oldschool but upgraded Cummins + Aisin combo. Big fan of Ford because of innovation but looks like Ram may have the most reliable set up.

[@fedoratheexplora7180]

Cummins is the most reliable commercially available engine you can buy simply because of quality control and the inline 6 setup is less prone to failure and is easier to work on then a v8. And Aisin is on par with Allison transmissions. Also lower gear ratios allow for bigger more durable gears with less chance of failure.

[@fedoratheexplora7180]

@mtrujillo1973 dont get me wrong i am a huge Ford fan but i am also a Cummins, Aisin, and Allison fan and i am simply weighing pros and cons.

[@paulj9821]

@@fedoratheexplora7180 IGNORE mtrujillo, he is a moronic, raging childish FORD fanboy. Just scroll up and read his other comments and you will see he isn't worth responding to.

[@kylewilcox8928]

If you are considering brake applications adaptive cruise uses the brakes. Just because you did not press them does not mean it did not happen. Did all the trucks have the adaptive cruise or just the ram?

[@donleamon8653]

Adaptive cruise maintains a set distance between you and a car IN FRONT of you. From the RAM site and their video on use, "When slower traffic is detected, it will automatically adjust its speed all the way down to 0, with trailer attached." There is no mention that it will ALSO use the brakes in conjunction with the exhaust brake to MAINTAIN your set speed on a grade. Please state where that claim is made, because it does not appear from documentation that I found that it does.

[@therealjohnsmith4811]

Don Leamon From the Ram website: “Available Adaptive Cruise Control with Stop and Go detects vehicles ahead. If increased braking is needed in slower traffic, the available Forward Collision Warning with Advanced Brake Assist will automatically help adjust to a safe distance.” www.mideast.ramtrucks.com/en/2020/ram-1500/safety-security.html

[@kylewilcox8928]

The braking system is now tied into the cruise control so unlike traditional cruise control it will apply the brakes if it overruns a set speed.

[@androidcow]

As a lot of other people have said on here, I'd be skeptical about the truck sticking in redline for that period of time, regardless of whether you're fueling or not. Diesels aren't designed to turn RPM like that. Their parts like the crank, connecting rods and pistons are all much heavier than a typical gas engine and therefore generate a lot more inertia when they are turning. It's not unheard of for diesel trucks to snap a connecting rod when they start spinning that fast.

[@VARITHMS]

It's a small engine. 3k rpm is going to hurt it. I'd be concerned if was 13+ liters.

[@MrBakerskate1]

I really like the new dodge rams with the Cummins they finally paired the truck with the right trans.

[@frp1276]

Finally?

[@rogersavoie4570]

Again, great stuff guys but I admit knowing the result before the Dodge started pulling.

[@maxxer442]

So, since the Ram was using adaptive cruise, wasn't it using the brakes all the way down the mountain? Even if you weren't manually hitting them, weren't they getting used all the way down? Were they hot?

[@tgh117]

Did you miss the point where he said they also tried to use the cruise in the Ford and the Chevy and it couldn't hold it at 35? The ford had adaptive cruise, same as the ram, chevy doesnt have it.

[@connormonck372]

@@tgh117 yeah we know but the point is the brakes were being used and heating up. So yes they're adaptive cruise works great but shouldn't have been included for that test. When brakes get too hot they fail. An exhaust brake has a 100% duty cycle I thought that was what they were testing more than brakes

[@ColeSpolaric]

They also showed that it down shifted and was using exhaust braking

[@rayjay8322]

@@connormonck372 Yeah, I don't know why the guys really didn't point this out and highlight it. I wouldn't buy the Ram because of this.

[@maxxer442]

No offense everyone, but I was just hoping @TFLtruck would answer the question. I know what the other trucks have and don't have. It just seems to me that letting the adaptive cruise use the brakes isn't the same as "no brake applications". It may actually be worse. Just wanted clarification on that.

[@TheDartblockstang]

You two guys are the best.

[@mjones2305]

Ford trucks have been beating the competition for decades.

[@ColonelEMHouse]

The big three are all making fantastic trucks. They make it tough to choose.

[@mitchy880]

Maybe I missed it or I'm a lil confused on the downhill run. These tests get confusing when there are inconsistencies. I think you guys need to keep it fair and start going down the hill at a set speed and determine beforehand at what speed you'll manually brake and release if needed. Cruise off, engine brake on. JMO. 😉 Ram suspension, awesome! Ford Powerstroke, what beast! I'm a GM guy tried and true and I hate to say it, but GM you need to step up your game!

[@markparker4032]

I agree.....Love the Ram air ride....6.7 Powerstroke is a Beast.....GM...better step it up.

[@rsg1963]

Totally agree on all counts. Maybe just a little worried the Powerstroke will not last like a Cummins but otherwise, whoah! Unfortunately GM is most definitely in third place for LD and HD trucks right now. But hey that can change any year they want it to.

[@markparker4032]

@@rsg1963 Yep....The Cummins is a very reliable engine....I own a 6.7 powerstroke....I have 122K on it no issues.....but that could change tomorrow....The biggest problem with all of them is the emissions.

[@EGGINFOOLS]

That's a solid run for sure downhill. One thing though. Following Mr. Trucks explanation of how the system worked @2:03 ish the cruise control is in fact braking the truck and the trailer. He even goes as far to state that it turns the brake lights on while doing it. So not really zero but probably no way to know either

[@dochollywood1921]

Yes, and I think they recognize that. The point was that the cruise features worked on the ram, and so they didnt have to physically brake with their foot, whereas the cruise features did not work on the ford or GMC, so they had to resort to counting physical brake applications. It's funny to see people commenting on how they think the brakes will "cook themselves without you knowing" as if there arent any kinds of sensors that look for that issue

[@coryernewein]

Quick fix at the end is needed boys lol you tested the Laramie today not the Denali Hahaha Good informative video once again. Thanks guys

[@73TCON]

I love the comradery you guys have, make the video fun. keep it up! I have the 2019 srw 3500 H.O ..love it

[@BigInjun05]

Let's get some single cab max tow challenge.

[@aaronkidd5548]

Great video as always. Nice touch on the throw-backs to the GMC & Ford.

[@creigmacc]

So the ram was using the brakes? Mr Truck seemed to indicate that. If so, the zero manual brake applications are misleading.

[@ArtisanTony]

The exhaust break and gearing did the job, even though I am a Ford guy that was pretty impressive.

[@josephlane4450]

the GMC needed MANUAL break applications. the ram tech did its job

[@kdougk6668]

So the ram was applying trailer brakes also to slow it down???

[@ArtisanTony]

@@kdougk6668 the exhaust break which creates extra torque also helped.

[@creigmacc]

@Xxplicit so application of hydraulic pressure to the vehicles brake system by a computer is fine, I suppose there's no heat build up with that. Check.

[@deltadcrouse]

Loved the opening song the guys think they are Burt and Jerry but more like Buford and Junior love you always 😘 great video big thumbs up 👍

[@creigmacc]

GM has to be thinking... Isn't this truck we're building essentially brand new? Time for a redo GM. Better get on that.

[@40calDeathPunch]

That's a simple fix. It's called tap into the computer make a few changes and done.

[@gwood701]

GM make junk that wont make it past 100k owned new Silverados since 2012 . Bought 2 new Ram 1500s. Way better value for money and no problems so far. GM are grease balls.

[@40calDeathPunch]

@@gwood701 No Mexicans are grease ball. And you don't have any.

[@garrettmccord]

Yeah gm designers are a joke, the exterior and interior are the laughing stock of all 2020 trucks.

[@davidaustin9927]

Why is gm the laughing stock of trucks they use to be the winner time to get new engineers

[@nicholasdrago7138]

Great video thanks for posting. I actually tow 15k pounds everyday on the gauntlet. Over the years I’ve seen a lot of trucks broke down on the side of the road. Mostly power strokes and cummins

[@AsbestosIcan]

I thought I was watching off the ranch with the music at the end 😂

[@bradensirrine310]

Same

[@RobertGwreck]

I own a 2019 f450 and a 2020 ram 3500 and towed 30k with both. What totally different trucks. Ram is definitely better in fuel and a more comfortable ride but the f450 has a better axles and suspension and has way more power on high end.Ford needs a heave duty transmission. I love the Asian transmission in the ram.

[@Cloud30000]

I really hope TFL gives us a video of Andre taking the CDL exam :)

[@specialestness]

Siff of Neden I would highly doubt they would let him film that.

[@davids7476]

As an experience flatbed trucker I get frustrated seeing KZbin experts demonstrating improper load securement techniques. #1 rule It is called a RUB RAIL for a very specific reason, it is to protect your straps , chains and binders from an accidental side swipe. Don't be lazy run your straps behind the rub rail and use the hook under the outer flange of the underbelly.

[@DieselSniffer3500]

I wish you guys would also do this challenge while hauling 10-15 thousand pounds. Something that’s more realistic for general population to see how they compare

[@drdiesel1]

Although I agree most of us never pull 30K, but if they tested at 10-15k all 3 trucks would maintain 60mph with ease and it would only be a MPG comparison. My biggest complaint with these tests is the temperature, always in the winter, I want to see a 30k pull when it's 100F outside. With engine and trans temp data at several points along the way, including at the very end.

[@TheUnsureFox]

@@drdiesel1 This! See what they perform like during the hottest part of the year.

[@KoolCordell]

They did with the chevy 6.6 and Ford 7.3

[@DieselSniffer3500]

KoolCordell those aren’t the same trucks

[@DieselSniffer3500]

KoolCordell I’m not expecting it to struggle at all. I just want to see how they do. Especially if they still rank them the same with less weight

[@grimmyjim1252]

I think you guys need to redo the downhill test. as a truck driver myself even if the truck automatically applies the brakes it's still a brake application. which means the brakes are still heating up. And as someone who drive the ike daily i know the importance of keeping the brakes cool.

[@jamiewebb8633]

Doesn’t this defeat the purpose of the test. In the beginning you said in cruise control it automatically brakes the truck and trailer. Then said that chevy and ford had more break applications. For all we know the ram braked 20 times. I thought the down hill part was more about making sure you don’t overheat the brakes.

[@TrueNewb]

They clearly said the other two trucks couldn't control the speed under cruise control so they had to manually take over. The ram did it on its own.

[@06colkurtz]

Where is the Bandit? Great video again. You guys are great together. I tow my two car hauler down that same hill in my 1500 and by selecting lower gears I can make the trip with very few to no brake applications as well.

[@carolinagoldbug983]

The uphill surprised me. With 400 hp, 1000 lb/tq, AND the AISIN??? And it got that crappy time???

[@superjoe83]

@What Up No, It was the 1000 tq motor, trans dipstick is on the drivers side which means Aisin, which only comes with the H.O. engine, if it was a low output 68RFE, the dipstick would be on the passenger side.

[@carolinagoldbug983]

@What Up Sergey clearly said they were using the up-tuned/AISIN package with 400hp and 1000lb/tq.

[@carolinagoldbug983]

@@superjoe83 I have the low output 68RFE, and I feel like a dipstick.......😁

[@carolinagoldbug983]

@@superjoe83 I was also surprised it only had some 5000 'payload' capacity. Mine (SRW) has 4300 and change. Then I saw it was the 4X4 dually. I believe the 2WD dually has the highest payload???

[@superjoe83]

@@carolinagoldbug983 are you getting that number from the Ram website or the sticker on the drivers door jamb? My 18 3500 srw has a 3980 payload according to the sticker, but the ram website shows my vin has a 4200lb rating. Yes max payload is with a 2wd regular cab long bed dually gas motor

[@70ChevelleZL1]

Great Video Dodge is The best way to go When talking about HD trucks

[@ross7684]

My adaptive cruise control functions differently than my standard cruise control in that my truck applies brakes when needed to maintain speed in adaptive mode but that does not occur with standard cruise control. If the RAM adaptive functions similarly, there may have been brake applications that did not get counted with the RAM. Did TFLT use adaptive or standard cruise with the F350 and Silverado 3500?

[@ruialmeida6679]

you can't use standard cruise if you have adaptive, but you do have a point.

[@Rucker537]

Great point! 🤔

[@ross7684]

@@ruialmeida6679 My truck allows me to use either by going into settings and disabling Adaptive.

[@dodgeman2324]

Pretty sure they said they used the same thing but they weren’t holding and manually had to apply the brakes

[@V10PDTDI]

they said that they tried the cruise control and the GM and the Ford and it did not work but i'm not sure if they have adaptive cruise control. or not or it just not as good .

[@mtevilone]

How many times did the system brake for you? Just because you have to apply the brakes manually in the other trucks, does not mean you are not in the Ram. When they get the engine brakes to perform like a big truck, then I will be impressed. Maintaining a specific speed, does not mean it is safe to do so. I go my rule, that if I have to apply brakes more than once I am in too high of a gear. I am leary also of the truck controlling lane position while pulling a trailer. Great video as usual.

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks, not a fan of lane keep

[@mtevilone]

@@MrTruckTV So you are one of those that cannot stay within the lines? Where did I say I never changed lanes. That make three of you that are just looking to bash others comments. As long as you maintain your lane, you will avoid a ticket, and insurance issues in an accident. The super truckers making their ignorant comments. Mr Truck TV?

[@mattotto2380]

@@mtevilone I think Mr. Truck was agreeing with you, not bashing.

[@Adventureswithmike1]

What I wanna know is how many times did the adaptive cruise control touch the brakes going down the??? If the computer system never applied the brakes on the truck or the trailer then it was a perfect run but if the adaptive cruise control was Using the brakes then it should count as applications...

[@rickbraden4272]

Absolutely. Hitting the brakes is hitting the brakes.

[@Adventureswithmike1]

@Xxplicit Well who's driving ypu or the truck?? If the truck applied the brakes 20 times then that counts 20 brake applications... Whether the driver did it or the truck did it the brakes were still applied..

[@teacherturtle1]

Videos like these makes competition improve products.. let's see what happens next year

[@Bunkysworkshop]

Have you weighed the tongue and see how accurate this app is?

[@wd8sdw]

Thanks for the big three report. Lots of information. Good job.

[@tiverton]

Speaking of technology, my 2020 Ram 3500 Limited megacab dually was delivered in late January and it's still missing the Trailer Tire Pressure Monitoring System advertised on 2019 and 2020 trucks to have ability to monitor up to 12 trailer tires. The manual covers it in details, however no TTPMS module is installed behind the rear bumper and associated setup menus are missing. I ordered this truck with every option available. $92700 MSRP. Ram just changed their website to "later availability" when describing TTPMS, however, no word on when and if the retrofit will be available on already sold models. Reaching out to FCA is unsuccessful. Noone is aware of this system, and noone cares to find out. Maybe you guys can help us out and ask FCA. Заранее спасибо, Андрей!😉👍

[@TheVenom8343]

Man, what do you do for a living to be able to afford a $93,000 truck? I'm genuinely curious because I work for the state and I only make $37,500 a year and there's no way that I could afford that truck.

[@pryme2013]

@@TheVenom8343 you answered your own question, you need to make a lot more than 37k a year.

[@55afishead]

Tiverton I have the 2019 Laramie 3500 dually long bed. I was promised the same and have not heard anything for the last year. It was a huge selling point I NEED!

[@tiverton]

@@55afishead I totally agree.

[@TheVenom8343]

@@pryme2013 Good point my man..

[@mikemiller9119]

It makes me wonder if the numbers from the manufacture is fudged. The Ford and the Ram have very close horsepower and torque, so they should of cane much closer in the hill climb. The 2.5 mpg number was really bad. That’s a lot of money blowing out the tail pipe. You guys should also include basic maintenance costs as well. Like oil changes, fuel filters, etc. I’ve owned both Ford and Ram. I would like to see if they have improved in owner costs. Specially since the cost of the truck doesn’t stop going up. They almost cost as much as a house in some places. Great video guys.

[@ryansheard8092]

Overall the Ford blends performance and comfort the best. That said, RAM has the other two beat on technology for making towing safer and more pleasurable.

[@mtevilone]

Until the Fiat electrical gremlins rear their ugly heads.

[@brent4adv]

@R AJ Robot? Come on, really? Anyway, the brake application on the downhill is not misleading. They are testing if the truck can hold speed without driver intervention (and it did). How is it misleading?

[@TheDeezelsmoke]

@@brent4adv I'm thinking maybe they should just change the scoring of the downhill test and not say "zero brake applications" since some of these trucks are applying the brakes on their own. They could just subtract a point each time the truck goes 5 mph over their target speed.

[@MrComputerCoder]

@@mtevilone Good thing its a Ram and not a fiat.

[@jakobfreund7031]

R AJ Fiat/Peugeot?. The have noting I commend. Ford use Peugeot engine. 3.0 power stroke

[@billedgin2496]

Reading through the comments about the downhill raises many good questions. I'd like to know if the Ram did apply the brakes. Why does it matter how much braking is used? Heat is the problem. If you use the brakes too much and overheat them, you could run into SERIOUS issues. A good engine brake SHOULD be able to hold the truck back. Personally I'd have an issue if the cruise is applying brake pressure because then I don't know how much my brakes are actually being used. As far as the brake lights noted in a bunch of comments, many new tractor-trailers light up the brake lights anytime the engine brakes are on. I'm actually a truck driver and used to be proud that my brake lights never came on going down a mountain pass. You simply go slow enough that the engine brake does all the work. Then you have nice fresh brakes available if you have to stop for any reason. Panic stops coming down a mountain pass at 80,000 pounds are a scary proposition. I currently am in a 2020 Peterbilt and my brake lights are now on at all times coming down a pass, even lightly loaded, because the engine brake is also on the entire way down. As far as high RPM's with the engine brake, that's something I'm really struggling with. I was taught early on that it'll blow the engine of your RPM's are too high with the engine brake on. However, apparently technology changed along the way. These modem trucks with automatic transmissions launch the RPM's insanely high for the engine brake. Completely computer controlled high RPM braking, but it seems to be fine. I'm assuming the same technology has been applied in the pickup truck world. I doubt Ram's computer is going to allow itself to harm the engine if that's a real concern.

[@ripfletching]

Again guys a very good video very well done very professional I wish you would take the two videos and watch them side-by-side though the Ford had a much better ride than the ram the ram was very rough just like the GMC I don’t know how important that is to you though also with Ford you can lock out Gears ⚙️ maybe this would be the preferred method for going downhill i use it for towing when I go downhill you can lock out the upper gears if needed on the shifter anyway guys fantastic job this truck companies are really coming along nicely

[@bbelrixx]

When are you going to put these 3-on the Dyno?