2018 Ram 3500 HD vs Ford F350 vs World's Toughest XXL Towing Test!

[@Forsecondbreakfast]

I love how ford and ram owners can come together and laugh at GM together lol

[@Ray092684]

My thoughts exactly!

[@kernmw10]

Except what's funny is that when lighter loads were used the GM smoked the other two. Ram and Ford just arbitrarily make up a big tow number. I bet GM would do better than both the Ford and Ram with 30k behind it.

[@freudianslip8265]

Whit Kern Funny thing is the GM’s are not rated as high as the Ford and Ram for weight.. it’s not a made up number that number has to be accurate, it is used for licensing/permits as well as they are mostly used commercially.

[@KevinBigg]

The Gooberment-Sucks that makes absolutely no sense

[@1badk20]

Until they test the 2020 Models when the GM Trucks will tow 32,000 lbs in crew cab longbed 4x4 (35,500 lbs Max). GM out tows both lb for lb.

[@matts9352]

"We Always Grease Our Balls" should be the next TFL/Ike Gauntlet shirt

[@garyblatt8925]

Must have shirt.

[@FrankCastle-he8fl]

You beat me to it

[@travisvowell3610]

Matt S Best phrase Ive heard on here lol

[@grandjeep6367]

LOL

[@tmiranda1379]

I literally spit out my coffee when he said that.

[@MrJwh3000]

This is some of your greatest work. Not too much talking. Mostly action!

[@TFLtruck]

Thank you for watching!

[@ussrball192]

Lol you have 67 likes, the displacement of both engines!

[@ussrball192]

well 6.7...

[@MrJwh3000]

USSR Ball cool observation. LoL

[@ussrball192]

Thank you, I am good of observations.

[@richsbuildingservices7991]

I am a Cummins guy, I respect other people's choices. ford always looks nice, but Cummins tow across the country a smooth rides.

[@Greg-op7lg]

Jeff depends on the trim. Ram has the best interior out of all the brands, but that’s for the upper level trims I guess.

[@ivanisfathidden4711]

Ford is nice and all and smooth driveing ford wins

[@bigboimihai6559]

they sure do, too bad I live in this stupid little island called the united kingdom, no big ol' trucks for me, the biggest we get here are ford rangers.

[@Eric-tq3vn]

@@bigboimihai6559 Hey now, your country brought us all tea and probably a lot of other things too!

[@bakerfamily3]

I agree

[@polarbear111000]

Bought a 2018 Ram 3500 Limited DRW 4X4 with Aisin 6 speed Cummins 6.7 and 4.10 gears last week. I traded in my 2017 Corvette Z06/07....do I miss the Vette? Nope, not a bit. This truck is unreal, and I'm not a "truck guy". I bought it so we could tow a 40' boat. I've got a 2018 NSX for my sports car fix, but for now, the NSX is parked.........can't get enough of the RAM......amazing tech, interior, drivability, etc.....one of the best purchases I've ever made. This ain't grandpa's truck..........wow.....have trucks ever changed since I was a kid...... ;)

[@MT-vw6pf]

What do you do for a living?

[@kylestewart8354]

they should have used the 2018 Chevrolet dually ON the trailer for dead weight.

[@Scubasteve22]

Put it on the front of the trailer and ,,,,, Whaaallaa! No brake applications downhill and lowest eta up the hill.

[@pags5zonda623]

@@Scubasteve22 I've never wanted automatic till I got my Allison with exhaust brake. Don't need to push the brake in the Rockies towing my 9,800lb skid steer.

[@Scubasteve22]

10 4 Jared! If the testers would set the cruise and exhaust brake etc, the way GM designed it, (towing confidence) it would win braking segment every time.

[@paulrevererider7392]

kyle stewart you win best comment award !

[@dsaint9264]

Nice

[@marcuskrupicka3352]

Without emissions the trucks would be way more powerful

[@MXvsATV144]

that's a common misconception because you can tune either of those with full emissions intact and get 500hp no problem. Swap the turbos out or add a turbo and guys are getting over 600hp on the Ram. Emissions only hurts fuel economy in the Ford and Chevy. RAM pretty much stays the same when deleted.

[@SergePupko]

@@MXvsATV144 source? I may be purchasing a one-ton sometime soon and have been looking at Rams almost exclusively. But I've heard good and bad about the 6.7.

[@serohaguju1054]

erik pollnow I disagree I have a couple of trucks deleted and one of them is on stock tuning and it has almost 15 more hp and 35tq higher than stock

[@DeeRizzley]

@@MXvsATV144 not true…

[@VAHOSS]

Both 6.7L engines are beasts! They have both come a long way

[@logankennefic]

"We always grease our balls" -Andre Smirnov, 2018

[@davesracingchannel9261]

logankennefic Would you please give my racing channel a Subscribe I have plenty of videos for you to enjoy

[@Eddeville303]

Great video, very fair comparison I am a ford guy but the Ram was the winner this time

[@pickles9774]

Saw a brand new one on the hwy coming home... BTW It was a 2018.....

[@MGSsancho]

Eddeville303 if you remove some of those luxury features and think of this as a commercial vehicle test, ram won with slightly better mpg and the air bag suspension to level out the back. If your reason to purchase one of these and your choice is 100% work related then Yeah the ram. But if those luxury features are important, the Ford. I love a good competition. However if you need to haul 30klb daily I wonder if a class 4 truck would be better. *shrugs*

[@therealjohnsmith4811]

When you start removing luxury features the weight also drops. Getting rid of an off road package alone drops skid plates and more highway oriented tires. Its not an apples to apples.

[@ardisstrommen7322]

Ford f350 problem wheels

[@alexgravedigger7102]

I don’t like the rams dually fenders they always look like a after thought but fords new design they worked it in very well

[@arnie6988]

Awesome review guys..... Way to go Ram on a beautiful truck.

[@mic982]

Yeah, on looks alone, Ram gets the nod for sure

[@bigbossman5969]

Varnie 69 Cummins rule the diesel world. and it did it with 2 cylinders less that tells u how much better of a engine that Cummins is over the power joke engine

[@cbr600rrturbo]

That Ram interior is really nice

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

Tac it really is!

[@duramax78]

Tac I’m a Chevy guy but I gotta agree with you.

[@Bearcats737]

Have a 2014, and it’s one of the only trucks I’ve found I fit in very comfortable with me being 6’4” and it’s one of the nicest interiors that I’ve found

[@duramax78]

Baron Van Oosting I’m 6’2” one thing I hate is a low roof, but have found dodge seems the lowest, going off memory.

[@polarbear5740]

They have come a long way

[@DelTalkoh]

I like how professional this video was edited, also happy to see that the ram won.

[@davesracingchannel9261]

DelTalkoh Would you please give my racing channel a Subscribe I have plenty of videos for you to enjoy

[@Bropro-zr9uh]

Ford is stronger and ram rust crazy

[@popeyeandstraussmx4165]

DelTalkoh the ram barely won and it doesn’t keep its momentum, if u were starting uphill with the ford then it’d do better, and also the rams are very unreliable, they have a shot ton of issues

[@Jose.589]

@@popeyeandstraussmx4165 the reason I don’t like ram rust and transmission any others problems

[@sbelliott2310]

Being a Dodge guy I have to say that never before have the competitive brands caught my eye like they do now, thanks mostly to great videos like this. Both trucks are gorgeous and a huge shout out to those massaging seats! I'm with Mr, Truck... It's a tie between the Ram and the Ford.

[@Crazystuffyousee]

I would probably care more about this test if I could afford either one... $80,000 for a TRUCK???

[@thisismagacountry1318]

You make that back and more in one year working commercially.

[@Tombomb1816]

buy a used one for 55k instead.

[@KevB247]

80000 is what it's worth

[@polarbear111000]

$98K in Canada.....

[@WB9IIE]

You get what you pay for. Price could probably be reduced if you got rid of a lot of the federal regulations.

[@mr.bluegrass9723]

Another great and fair test . Really enjoy watching the three of you.

[@AgentSmith911]

They're both great trucks

[@Airport-tj5gn]

Very impressive performers.

[@whotf888]

Idk about you, but I live in Europe, where pickups are small and weak compared to these trucks. But in America.... damn those rides are powerful as hell

[@waybachwin1747]

Péter Oláh at least you get bad ass BMW’s lol I mean we do but at export cost

[@hossuncles9778]

Nice name

[@hossuncles9778]

(Yes i know your refrencing banaza) and yes i was named after the character.

[@JMBdevotee]

Both impressive trucks. Ram has come a long way but that Ford is one good looking truck! Nice to have two great options in the HD segment.

[@tuffram2165]

The new ford front end is hideous!!!!!!!!!!

[@helloreviews]

Justin Thurman the new ram front end is too

[@meifert2]

Justin Thurman but if you are towing in anything but a Ford you'll never see it

[@JD-sl1qs]

I agree the new fords have an ugly grill

[@ezrabegin8234]

Justin Thurman your hideous

[@dieselbuff]

Hey fellas, I love these head to head tests y'all do. Always answer 90% of my questions, at least. Just a couple points I found annoying and thought I'd mention. 1 - DEF does not give you power, guys. It doesn't even go through the engine. These trucks use what's called Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) to control NOx emissions. This is achieved by spraying DEF in the exhaust where it will react in the catalyst. 2 - The exhaust brakes on these trucks are one and the same with the turbo. Nowadays, they all use Variable Geometry Turbos. To achieve braking, they close the vanes which also increases exhaust volume as it spools up the turbo. Last, if I buy a RAM, I'll be looking into the Pacbrake Load Leash. Pretty cool stuff. Probably would decend super Ike with no brakes because it changes the valve timing to maximize the effect of the exhaust brake.

[@jimbro389]

Your guys test are great! Bought a new ram without checking hp torque rating until after I signed, figured everyone was at 425-450 was really not happy when I saw 385/800 anyway I’ve watched your tests and was very relieved to see the ram is right there with ford and gm

[@williamheinsinger7390]

Can't get any closer than that, Good Review Boys 👍

[@davesracingchannel9261]

William Heinsinger Would you please give my racing channel a Subscribe I have plenty of videos for you to enjoy

[@ib516]

Excellent video. Is anyone else surprised the 65 hp advantage the Ford has didn't result in a quicker time?

[@garfieldthomas8118]

ib516 ...yeah.

[@farukvincevic6403]

But spent extra fuel for more horses

[@dchawk81]

Not really. At that much weight it doesn't spread out as far.

[@AB-80X]

Not at all. It created a ton of heat as expected. Imagine towing a heavy load from Utah and down to Florida during the summer. Man, that V8 would need an ice bath and the MPG would be down right frightning.

[@dchawk81]

ABOlsen69X I don't think it would be that bad overall. 7% grade over what, 8 miles is pretty much the most severe service it would see. It's kind of a wash between these two trucks I think.

[@conduit242]

“Honey, can you pick up some water?” *Hears Ike Gauntlet music in head*

[@BigBadJohnDiesel]

Great video! This is how all HD trucks should be compared! Gotta love how close these trucks are! Cummins baby!

[@davesracingchannel9261]

BigJohnDiesel Would you please give my racing channel a Subscribe I have plenty of videos for you to enjoy

[@jessehernandez5043]

Great video, what i really gather from this is that they are both very capable trucks for those who ACTUALLY tow that weight. At the end of the day it will come down to brand preference, and interior comfort

[@johnmaccoy4324]

I really like the ram and if I ever got one I would try getting the 6 speed manual version with the 6.7 diesel engine.

[@alexsmba]

John Maccoy it would be interesting to see the G56 tested. It won’t win any races, but still fun to see.

[@tuffram2165]

And you get a much detuned truck with a manual!!!!!!!!!!!

[@alexsmba]

Justin Thurman yeah still rated at 350/660 or something like that.

[@js9234]

It may be detuned but it also has much less drivetrain loss at the wheels. I'd like to see the actual HP and torque difference at the wheels.

[@alexsmba]

js9234 it doesn’t matter, they don’t perform anywhere near as well as the automatics. Diesels do really well with automatics. If you are driving it empty, you will use 2nd to get going, then 4 slow long shifts to get to 6th (compared to a car) and you will be in 6th by 35mph (unlike a car). Anything over that, and definitely over 40mph, there are no more gear shifts. Then you’re doing higher rpm on the highway, when you wish the rpms would drop like the automatic. So it’s way slower accelerating. Not as nice on the highway, and you don’t really get the opportunity to enjoy shifting like you do with a sports car, through the corners because you won’t be downshifting on those roads.

[@madcharger1]

Seriously.. power from def? lmao..the engine does not burn def fluid, it is injected into the exhaust filter for regeneration..

[@Rj-to8qm]

madcharger1 yeah they have no clue what they are talking about lol

[@AngelHernandez-tq5ov]

What does regeneration mean?

[@madcharger1]

When the filter is full of soot, fuel and def fluid are ignited into the filter, it gets super hot, burns the carbon out to clear the honeycomb substrate

[@AngelHernandez-tq5ov]

Oh ok thanks.

[@keithm8715]

Angel Hernandez def fluid is not used for the regeneration process. Def is used only to break down NOX into nitrogen and oxygen in the SCR. Previous trucks without def/scr but had dpfs regenerated. Regeneration is done with excesse fuel injected directly into the exhaust to burn out the resedue in the soot-cooker (DPF) filter.

[@davidhillbrand2302]

Great test. Keep it up guys.

[@richyg3993]

They say” they don’t make ‘em like they use to!” Yeah, that’s true. These new 2500/3500 are absolute Trains compared to the trucks back in the day. Can only imagine how strong they will get in the future. Sweet video TFL team!

[@thomasmalley2054]

As a lifelong city dweller who has never had and likely never will have a practical need for trucks, A childish part of me always wants a really big one for no reason. Thank you for the videos you guys do.

[@jamesc.5734]

May I suggest adding a category to your scoring. I suggest you include average cost of maintenance in a year. That might sway a consumers decision.

[@piciu256]

James Croteau hard to do with a new model truck, those would only be estimates, with no real life comparison.

[@BullittKid08]

James Croteau TFL has explained why they don't do maintenance or reliability testing. I tend to agree with them because i want to see head to head tests. There are other places to find durability/reliability info

[@thelongdaysofwheeling124]

The the FORD would come in dead last. You have to pull the cab to do any amount of serious work on that truck.

[@matttraxler3567]

dddire straits You do with any truck dumbass. Try to put injectors in any newer truck also why my 6.7 powerstroke has no issues but my buddies 6.7 Cummins has had 2 transmissions and has had turbo issues

[@billjohnson2626]

Would be a good category to have

[@polsok44]

Love your videos, nobody does it better, keep up the great work

[@Hueydarkangel]

I’m not a “Ford/Chevy/Ram” guy so when I was looking for a new Diesel truck I compared all three meticulously and the Ford won out overall. Multiple test drives of all three and looking over the options, power, and accessories landed me on the Ford. Chevy wasn’t even in the running but Ram gave the Ford a good run for its money. Just had to go with what I felt was the better truck. And after owning the Ford F-250 for just a few months and pulling trailers constantly....I am NOT disappointed. Incredible truck.

[@davidlasanen7690]

Your head is up your ass cup cake!!! Ram trucks are totally better than Ford trucks, all steel, no aluminum foil, Ford trucks are totally weaker body wise, enjoy your junk Ford truck butter cup, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha and the Cummins engine's totally better engines!! Will out pull a Ford any day cup cake!!!

[@copperheadmarine]

Never owned any thing but a ford my entire life. Now have 2 1500 ecodiesls and a 3500 Cummins. Wrote a check for all three so it wasn’t like it was about cost, all we’re special orders. Fords served me well and I don’t take anything from them, but for me I now prefer the Rams.

[@mmholling87]

Odd...Chevy has the better frame, transmission, ride quality due to IFS, and a very reliable engine. Even the 6.7 Cummins had some growing pains. When all three trucks towed 15k the Chevy was the fastest and the fuel mileage was on par with the Cummins.

[@Someonehad2sayit]

@@davidlasanen7690 You must be really proud of your daddy's Cummins, cause there's no way you're old enough to own one. No grown ass man talks that way. How old is you, 10?

[@jeremybyers3104]

I was the one that requested a video like this in last years Ike gauntlet. Thank you for doing it. Another awesome review done by you guys. Still the number one review channel out there. Keep up the good work.

[@georgeszostek5636]

I had a 1994 Ford F-350 Dually with the new power stroke diesel. I was a flooring contractor at the time. I had a 36' flat bed goose neck trailer. Doing schools at the time. Two trucks showed up with two schools of flooring. Dropped them both at the one school. Not only was my truck a diesel but also had a 2000k lbs western hauler bed on it and it was a standard transmission. We loaded that second truck on my flat bed at a total gross of 38,900 lbs. Let out the clutch and she took off. Never even knew it was back there till I tried to stop. I pulled over 20k all the time at 75-80 mph down I20. She never bucked at all. Ford back then was awesome

[@therealjohnsmith4811]

Both great trucks. 2 seconds = statistical equal. 2.4 v 2.7 mpg- statistical equal. One more break application = statistical equal. Multiple runs would have to be done to get a clear “winner.” Cant really go wrong with either truck.

[@dchawk81]

The Real John Smith Agreed. We can start seeing price wars soon. Hopefully. Chase the incentives, not the specs.

[@benjaminwayneb]

dchawk81 In Canada Ram offers the Cummins at no extra charge so they can sell the trucks.

[@therealjohnsmith4811]

benjaminwayneb Thats great. But how long can they sustain that model and still be profitable?

[@benjaminwayneb]

The Real John Smith They Can't, that's why Fiat Can't find a buyer for Ram/Chrysler.

[@meifert2]

Ford sells more trucks than Chrysler sells vehicles....there is a reason for that.

[@thomasrossi31]

Andre says, “we always grease our balls”! Hahaha

[@fightfactory67]

Thomas Rossi looool

[@Stuka87]

Great video. Both of these trucks are so close to each other it basically comes down to buyer preference.

[@davesracingchannel9261]

Stuka87 Would you please give my racing channel a Subscribe I'm less than 40 away from 1k

[@raptordan6851]

I’ve been a die hard ford guy for years I currently own two super duties 14 f450 lariat and a 17 350 platinum , the 17 is on its third turbo in 30,000 miles and the 450 ends up in the shop quite often , ram is looking better and better.

[@TheShowgunofHarlem]

I'm a Ford guy... For the last 30 years of driving, always a Ford, for work or personal. Took my friends 6.7 Cummins out the other day to tow a trailer, IMMEDIATELY purchased a ram 3500 to haul my gooseneck. You can beat that Cummins with mods.

[@russellhalbach3638]

Inline 6 is a medium/heavy duty engine, the V configuration is a light duty engine. So congratulations you just compared a t Rex to a velociraptor.

[@trexthepony8614]

Ugh..no

[@TheMEXICANBEEF]

How are the 6.7 powerstroke engines holding up 200k+ miles?

[@bradhardy2629]

6.7 Ford turbo eating pos . Cummins is the best diesel engine on the market.

[@bradhardy2629]

@mtrujillo1973 several of your fellow ford idiot's that I personally asked about their truck's. Obviously your memory isn't the best . 6.0 power joke . Pos 6.4 pos .

[@benjamincruz514]

mtrujillo1973 just because ford sell more trucks doesn’t mean shit McDonald’s is claimed the the number one sellin and their food is shit.

[@chiefbeef2947]

mtrujillo1973 who makes semi and train engines? I will wait for you to defend your powerjoke

[@cheezwhiz1234]

Lol. Several repairs before they even reach 100!

[@Regal2800]

nice real world testing. two excellent trucks. thanks for the video.

[@lancemartin2672]

As always, another great video gents. As a Ram owner it's nice to see it compete and win in an apples to apples real world comparison. Thanks for taking the time to put this together the way you guys do. Love your challenges.

[@Rodj12341]

What I like about the Ram mirrors is that you can make them look like normal mirrors whenever you aren't towing anything, while in the Silverado HD and Ford Super Duty, it will always be fixed vertical facing.

[@htbud11]

Both great trucks and I own a 6.4 ford but I LOVE the Cummins 6, my son had one, cannot wear them out. Ram for me next.

[@SLICKW1993]

htbud11 Traded in my 08 F450 for a 16 RAM 3500, i love the Cummins!

[@wbball15]

Nicely done guys.

[@davesracingchannel9261]

wbball15 Would you please give my racing channel a Subscribe I have plenty of videos for you to enjoy

[@lisavanessen5671]

Great job as always,love the videos

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@jasonsteele9580]

You can’t go wrong with either truck. I’m a Ram guy. Gotta go with that. I love these comparisons. That’s what you’ve got know. You can look at numbers all day but there test are everything.

[@mojorisin7371]

I have a 2017 F350 dually extended cab 6.7 4.10 rear end XLT 4x4. It has 40,000 miles, tows a 6000lb sliding axle dual axle trailer, with 8,000-14,000lbs of load weight daily 5 days a week. No issues yet, tows this weight with ease all over New England roads. Very impressed with the towing capabilities and thus far reliability if this truck. I do agree everyone of these type of trucks should have air ride to level out the truck and trailer. Perhaps once these rear shocks wear out I'll convert over to an aftermarket air ride system.

[@juniorklassen5460]

Y'all should be a g56 manual transmission Ram I bet it would to impressive especially on the downhill engine brake

[@drayhazel]

I have a 2019 F350 and tow a 40ft 5th wheel Ill keep my Ford

[@danhambrick6331]

The Raminator!!!!

[@rkalla]

Not sure how you couldn’t thumbs up this, a hell of a production to put these head to head fully loaded. This is so much harder to prep and film than it looks.

[@Stay-vigilant]

Bought a 2006 Ram 2500 5.9 Cummins last year. Should be paid off by the end of this year. I couldn't do that on an 80k truck. I love my truck!

[@stephenbaker7960]

Bought a 18 ram 3500, coming from the legendary 7.3. I've always driven Ford's. 7 main bearings on the Cummins vs 5 on the powerstroke. One main bearing sits between each connecting rod. Tons of grunts, with fewer moving parts. I drive the Cummins. It's going to outlast the stroker hands down. Look under the hood. The Ford looks like a rat's nest. The Cummins is clean and easy to work on without pulling the cab. That's the seller for me.

[@AB-80X]

Good choice. When I parted ways with my 7.3, I went to Dodge. So many times over the years, I have thought about how much of a disaster it would have been if I had gotten into the 6.0 and 6.4 Powerjokes. But that Navistar 7.3 was a great mill, that's for sure. My only gripe back than, was the fact that I hated the soft Ford chassis. Back then I wished I could have had a 7.3 in a GMC. But for me, it's Ram going forward.

[@cheezwhiz1234]

Agreed, the last version of the 7.3 was pretty darn reliable, but totally outclassed in power now.@@AB-80X

[@aquagmier]

good comparison, great video guys. Those trucks are so close that if your spending the $60 grand or more, get the one that is more comfortable to you. Fords tend to have better seats and interiors, but the Cummins engine is hard to beat when towing.

[@paulj9821]

LOL, FORD having the better Interiors? I think you are confused. Go look online at high quality pics of the interior. If you talk to anyone who knows about picks ups the very first thing they say about the RAM is how it's the most beautiful interior they have ever seen on a pickup. There is no comparison. Now if you meant you like having messaging seats that is different.

[@beanrefraction9530]

Paul J I’ve sat in both plenty of times and I’ve always thought ford has the nicest interiors of any truck

[@paulj9821]

@@beanrefraction9530 Not in the last 3 years. Even the die hard ford guys admit, RAM Limited or Longhorn has the best since 2017. Look at it this way, competition is good. This will force FORD to step it up in the interior. In the End we the consumers win.

[@sinhalo]

Ford is better and I own all three drw super duty 2018’s and I hate ford. Blis, adaptive cruise, bigger back seat, power extending mirrors etc. now the 2019 ram is nice but gm and ford are going to tow better at end of 2019

[@theblacktieguy6694]

That makes no sense whatsoever 😂. The thing that these videos don't capture is how they will hold up over time and I can assure that ram will hold up better than any ford other than a 7.3 powerstroke.

[@MMunstoppable03]

GM get out of the way the real trucks are coming.

[@SDRacing88]

funny it had a quicker time up this same pass.

[@Willyd2758]

How to break a truck: put 30k pounds behind the shitty frame that these geniuses make over an extended period of time. Last good pickup ever built was 2016 ford with the thick and classic C channel frame. It doesn't matter that ram and ford can tow more. All 3 frames are made out of super thin shit steel that collapses/rusts away once you put it under pressure. Whoopie. My truck can tow 30k pounds. Guess what my truck can do! Last longer than a year towing its max load.

[@ezrabegin8234]

Ford all dat

[@jacob.calloway6833]

GM isn’t that much better

[@kenahenakew8761]

Lol

[@triviace]

You guys do a lot of work to make these comparisons.I don't own a truck or tow anything at all but I find these videos very entertaining.They are full of information and show the rest of us how much is really involved in towing anything,let alone a full capacity load up a very large mountain highway.Lots of stuff people need to be aware of to do things properly!

[@forzainformer]

You guys should do a old vs. new comparison like a 90’s powerstroke vs 2018 powerstroke and 90’s cummins vs. 2018 ram and see how much of a difference the trucks show

[@drewgordon3521]

Theleglessdemon there probably just about as equal. I got a 97 7.3 powerstroke with 4:10s and a 5 speed and my brother has an 02 5.9 Cummins with 4:10s and a 6 speed and I’d say they pull really close to equal on all the hills around where I live. His might out pull mine a bit but it is 5yrs newer too with around 60k less miles than mine. We’re running close to 20k loaded with gravel in a dump trailer which is what the trucks are rated for. Just my two cents. Would be cool if they did a video on it too tho I agree with you

[@rgj5832]

At over 80k to purchase and fuel mileage still around 2-3mph.... I mean at this point a semi makes a lot more sense

[@artillerybuff2000]

RGJ58 you may have something there! However, towing a 15k 5th wheel with my RAM I average 9 to 10 on most trips which for me includes a combination of flat towing and mountains. They got 2-3mpg towing 30k up a killer hill, nothing gets good mileage doing that, but when you average it with real world weights (for most of us anyway) with real world driving they do pretty well; and yes the prices are crazy! Your only hope is to get at least 250,000 miles out of them which should be no problem...

[@rgj5832]

artillerybuff2000 very good point, I guess in a rush to judgment it is in fact basically petal to the floor up a 7 percent grade or something like that they said. So if your getting the mileage you report it’s not nearly as bad. My thinking at the time was wow you can tow double maybe triple what they have loaded and still get 3-4 mph with a semi.

[@cameronlund1674]

This is literally the harshest test to put these through so 2-3 mpg is not normal by any means

[@cheezwhiz1234]

Real world price with an msrp of 80k is about 62k. The only thing when working any of these pickups hard, in the heat, is the rear differential. All these manufacturers have stepped up their power to semi-like levels, but still run 11.8-12" ring gears, and these diffs get HOT! Oil goes into thermal runaway. I have monitored pinion bearing area temps on an 11.8 AAM and saw 300 deg at one point. Black asphalt, hot sun, minimal airflow, and heavy loads.

[@MultiPurposeReviewer]

Well done video! This is for all the babies that whine about a test not being quite apples to apples. That Ram has an absolutely beautiful interior. Even the gauge cluster is gorgeous.

[@davesracingchannel9261]

MultiPurposeReviewer Would you please give my racing channel a Subscribe I'm less than 40 away from 1k

[@polarbear111000]

Bought a 3500 LImited DRW last week...........couldn't be happier, or more impressed with everything.....

[@dhc5tech41]

two great trucks, I would take the Ford purely on looks

[@jzcar2150]

I would take ford my man that thing wont break it the best

[@chonasimpson6487]

@@jzcar2150 I would take the Ram the Ford is fugly.

[@jzcar2150]

@@chonasimpson6487 From 1 year ago I regret my comment it seems like i really bragged on how i said ford is the best but my honest opinion both or all trucks are good it does not depend on the brand all the time it just how its built and stuff You know what i mean I love Ram I love Chevy and I love ford but if you want Ram that's your choice nobody stoping you :).

[@dustyyoung9225]

I grease my ball even when I’m not towing! Ford front ends last way longer than Ram, I’ve owned both. Thx for your vids guys!

[@cheezwhiz1234]

Ram has a much better radius arm front suspension now. I'm guessing your Ram was an older truck.

[@S_man89]

How much difference would it make if the truck had the max tow package with the 4.88 axles in it.

[@stevendensmore7653]

Great vid guys keep up the good work.

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@cumminspower2473]

powerstroke has all that extra horse power yet still can't out pull a cummins. Both are good trucks but looks like neither can tow 30k

[@fightfactory67]

Cummins Power 247 YES, SIR!!! Cummins rulezzzzz

[@cumminspower2473]

can someone explain how that's possible not only does it have more power it also spanked the cummins in a drag race yet you put weight on it and it's not as fast . also neither one of these trucks "can" tow as much as they say hell you can't even do the speed limit

[@fruitmonsta1809]

Cummins Power 247 Horsepower doesn’t play as big of a factor as torque does while towing. I’m a Ford fan but that the straight six is best suited for heavy towing. They’re much “torqier” by nature whereas the V8 is made to rev higher which produces more HP.

[@cumminspower2473]

I understand that but either way you look the Ford has more torque hence should pull better apparently the ram just puts more power down regardless of the rating

[@cumminspower2473]

I'm not brand loyal I was wishing i bought the powerstroke due to more power just isn't adding up

[@ToddCotta]

Great comparison! I still prefer the ram especially the suspension and interior.

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[@MrMsMexican]

It's mostly about looks is why people prefer the ram trucks aren't ment to look pretty ment for working

[@paulj9821]

@@MrMsMexican You realize it's possible to build a good pickup that also looks nice. It's called modern engineering. Your logic is flawed that because one company was able to design a more ascetically pleasing truck that it must be less reliable. Like for instance the Ford built tranny and Engine, no Thank you. Had the Ford instead incorporated the better looking more modern interior you wouldn't be complaining or using it as a negative. Reason being, your a Fanboy.

[@Cherny146]

Great Video guys!! Can't wait to see the same test with the 2019 Ram 3500

[@mwilliams3117]

The goose neck trailer does a great job of showing the ability to haul weight. It would be nice to see one with a large loaded toy hauler. Show how the trucks deal with sway and the frontal area.

[@TunerGuy_90]

I'll be honest! The new Ford Super duty looks nice! I saw a Platinum F450 at my local lot, and it was beautiful! Platinum white, with a brown/reddish interior! However...if a truck can't be reliable, then what's the point?!? The company I work for , had a fleet of 20 Ford F550's. They lasted less than 2 years. Turbo issues and engine issues. They all got switched out for Ram 5500's. No issues after 3 years.

[@SLICKW1993]

Majority of trucks that hot shot and are wreckers are RAMS. Ford diesels are a PITA to work on. Traded my PS in for a RAM and don’t have any regrets, the RAM pulls great.

[@chrism.728]

Two great American trucks, but I would still take the Ford F350 over the Ram 3500 HD! If you're going to spend that type of money, I'll go with the more modern truck with the better tech. And I'm sure the Ford F350 will continue to improve as competition stiffens.

[@paulj9821]

Yet you ignore real word experience. How is it more modern when it's interior and ride quality is behind the RAM. These are called modern tech, it seems your definition is limited to gadgets. Oh and those messaging seats with eventually break down. Next we have the Engine and there is no competition there. The Cummins diesel with out last that Ford. Far as I can see they both offer additional advantages in different areas. Oh and then you have to deal with the reliability of the Ford made transmission while the RAM gives you the Japanese AISIN tranny that is tried, tested and true. After all you are only spending $80,000

[@Gazooo29]

“we always grease our balls”

[@michaelwest3569]

I can't say Ford wins but I still pick that as my choice of truck

[@Angel.S.96]

As a over the Road Hot Shot Driver have gone from Coast to coast threw all main 48 states and driven all types of trucks 2016 17 18 Rams Ford 15 and 17 and GMC 18 The Ram is the best from my experience

[@cheezwhiz1234]

Ditto. I do the same. The Ram will not have any breakdowns past 100k being worked hard, whereas Ford is guaranteed to. Ram is also easy to do maintenance at home. Travelling all these miles, I see WAY more Fords with hoods up on side of road, that's a FACT.

[@Angel.S.96]

@@cheezwhiz1234 I was downn3 times with the 2015 Ford 2 times truck problem 3rd time cause the Ford mechanics didn't do the right thing all within 10 day trip

[@artillerybuff2000]

I am not a die hard fan of any builder. As a retired master certified mechanic I want to own what works. I have owned all three over the years. The Chevy 3500 Duramax was wonderful right up until the injectors failed and GM refused to honor their warranty; will NEVER own another GM product again. The Ford F450 was wonderful until it started leaking oil and required the entire truck to be disassembled to repair, i.e. very costly, then the injection system failed requiring another expensive disassembly (cab removal, what a stupid design). Of couse this was also just a few miles out of warranty! Currently own a 2018 Ram 3500 with max tow package and so far it is a beast! Zero issues so far towing a very heavy 5th wheel RV for 2+ years now. It is a real joy to drive, best overall truck by far. All of these trucks can easily do the work, but at $75 to $100k they really need to stay running and last a few hundred thousand miles before needing serious work and only a Cummins can do that...

[@AlejandroP1980s]

The 2019 got issues also big screen table look alike issues on 2019 models ram

[@AlejandroP1980s]

What year is the ford 2015 f350 reliable or not

[@hummincummins5413]

People liked diesels because of: 1. Power 2. Fuel Efficiency 3. Reliability 4. Longevity They're pretty much all gone now except power. A semi truck can haul more than double what these trucks can and get about the same fuel mileage... there's something not quite adding up here.

[@ellenorbjornsdottir1166]

Next thing they'll come out with is zip gas. Gas with the same energy density as diesel.

[@ToneCabinet]

Do you realize how many gears are in a semi's transmission??

[@TheKevintillman]

Benjamin Stephens, Jr. I think some have 12, 14, and 18, but I’m not sure. But you probably know that already. Obviously the reason the semis get good gas mileage

[@MrMarineBro]

That’s why I stick with the pre emissions trucks,a lot more reliable. My 02 7.3 F350 gets just as good mileage as our ‘12 does. I’m still getting 18-20mpg even weighing 7,000lbs of solid American steel. May not match the power outputs,but she’ll outlast any new truck with less problems,guarantee it

[@oil1252]

7.3Power all day my 2005 f350 get about 20 per gallon

[@stankmeme2885]

Ford and Dodge! Best trucks ever built!

[@ghoul5031]

no its def ram and chevy

[@imabadfighter2892]

Ford and Chevy

[@heyttsguy]

Can't wait to see how the new 3500 does.

[@gen-x-zeke8446]

Ram came out with 1,000 pound-feet TQ for 2019. Ford's sitting back licking their "Godzilla" teeth for 2020.

[@ShaneEstabrooks]

Where did you get the Datsun shirt.. ??

[@dlefeb67]

Excellent comparison!! Both excellent trucks. Cant go wrong with either. I enjoyed seeing you guys push them to the limit.

[@redneckbig11]

Cummins beat Powerstroke at towing? No surprise there lol. Cummins is an industrial grade engine, powerstroke is light duty class engine at best it struggled and strained on that test and you could hear it. Cummins was nice and mellow during the test and you’ll only get that nice sound out of a Cummins, and reliability hands down goes to Cummins, that powerstroke I don’t see lasting long at all.

[@Willyd2758]

Imagine that! An engine companies engine is better than some wanker car companies engine!

[@AdvBrewery]

Real similar, the Ford turn 1K less RPM's every time the camera rolled over the tach.

[@therealjohnsmith4811]

Curious why you guys don’t do the actual fill up to measure fuel mileage like on other tests. As you have shown before, some computers are more conservative than others.

[@benjaminwayneb]

The way they fill the vehicles isn't accurate, the air chamber and filler neck in all vehicles reacts differently. When you watch when they do the second click there is a huge difference in how much fuel is pumped between vehicles. Even on a 100 mile loop a 1/2 gallon can make a few miles per gallon difference.

[@therealjohnsmith4811]

benjaminwayneb I agree. I think the actual fill up at least verifies what the computer says.

[@chevyon37s]

benjaminwayneb the way they fill is as accurate as you can do at the pump. Plus they fill the same way before and after the test so your "air chamber in the filler neck" theory doesn't matter.

[@crepitus3552]

Very cool, was hoping you'd do a comparison with those two at max weight instead of lowered to the Duramax capacity.

[@darenm6124]

I have owned owned both f350 and ram 3500 and I like them both. They both have done their job. I am pushing 26,000 when I am on the road and I am looking at getting a new one here in a few months and not sure how I am going this time. On the f350 I have to put air bags on to carry my camper and pull are big horse trailer. The ram has the air system already but its going to come down to who going to give me the best deal.

[@farmerjoe8809]

I think all three brands of hd trucks have there pros and cons. I have been a ford guy all my life but in 2015 I traded my 15 f350 platinum for a gmc Denali 3500 drw. The gmc was definitely a better ride than my 15 f350 and I really have no complaints about the gmc. I kept it 2 years and traded it for a 17 f350 platinum drw. I pull same sundowner toy hauler with it as I did my gmc drw. The trailer is 43’ and weights about 17500 loaded. The gmc did not squat as much as the ford but with that being said the ford sets level with trailer as did the gmc. I guess it comes down to what truck fits you best and what you fill good in. I can say the technology in the ford is way ahead of what the gmc was and it works. My next truck might be a ram 3500. I can say over my years of trading trucks that I got better deal trading my ford to gm and trading my gm to ford there must be some kind of insensitive for changing brands.

[@davidpiper304]

Ford always...always. I do have a 2018 F350 Lariat Dually. Started off with a Ranger and now up to a Dually

[@earthpod]

Own a f250 SD it’s holding up well. Had a 2014 Ram550 service Truck it was having issues and it was dealer maintained. I have a 2019 f550 and the ride is better in the dodge, pulling 12- 15000lbs the Dodge seemed to handle it better. Interior goes to Dodge but the Ford has better seats. We’ll see.

[@Mohammadkwt]

why no more gas basic HD trucks tests ?

[@philtripe]

the 6.2 is still around for ford but Ram only has the hemi so nothing has changed for those trucks

[@Mohammadkwt]

stickloaf still we wanna see more tests I mean we saw 1 or 2 videos about basic gas HD trucks because a lot of people still buying them .

[@fiveoaksfarmofgeorgia7605]

They don't have heavy hauling capacities, and are extremely inefficient when hauling max loads.

[@weeks55]

Apples to apples AND lots of weight?! I know it’s hard to make that happen and it’s so awesome you did it. Thanks!!

[@DanielJaegerFilms]

Yes!!! Make those trucks sweat!! The last test with the Chevy was great but I loved seeing these trucks loaded to the max.

[@cesarpalmos8235]

As a truck driver..well you don't see diesel v8s in a class 9 for these results..mpg and power delivery

[@straussdevries5743]

The ford has massaging seats so you can relax while waiting for a tow.

[@bblair1488]

Strauss De Vries I operate a tow truck and tow more gmc and Chevy trucks. They usually wait for me!!

[@Band1..]

Really that dodges transmission would fall out before the Ford's 😑

[@Greg-op7lg]

Strauss De Vries lol

[@Greg-op7lg]

deadpoolryk9 ps4 but the fords powerjokes head would’ve blown before then.

[@Band1..]

@@Greg-op7lg at least Ford's built tough not wuff

[@BamaShinesDistillery]

Love the boys who know nothing about trucks looking at the HP difference. Pulling is torque, both have about the same torque.....no surprise here.

[@AsianRedneck239]

My favorite is when they said that it gets some extra HP from the DEF.

[@orangesforall2053]

Except when you remember that horsepower is an equation of Torque and rpm, essentially torque over time, because the Ford has a diesel V8 which has a lighter valve train and lighter components it can rev higher and maintain torque therefore more Horsepower, so it is a valuable measurement when comparing towing.

[@parkerm6334]

Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with you

[@Luckingsworth]

If one truck has 1k Torque. And the other has 1k Torque. But one has more HP. Then the one with more HP is clearly better (assuming everything else is equal) no?

[@Greg-op7lg]

Jon M well you have to account for mpg, reliability, and ease to work on if your talking about which is best.

[@mattsbrute]

I have the same Ford F350 as used in this video but Black. I also have the 4;10 gear option. Im curious why they didn't use the Select shift feature and go manual. Its a world of difference. Could have pulled the hill in a lower gear. If the editing was correct the truck was only pulling 2000@10Lbs of boost. That's typical of leaving a stop light unloaded. The truck should have been tacking a good 3500 RPM @ 30Lbs boost. No doubt select shift would have gave a much faster time. Im also curious if the exhaust brake was just on or in auto mode. If in auto mode the truck wont go beyond its set speed. It will tach to 4 grand if it has to so the truck will maintain speed. In the video this truck went from 36 to 41 I think which tells me it wasn't in auto mode. Its reverse cruise control. I drive this truck every single day and pulled heavy equipment with it. The gauge readings weren't true to what I see everyday.

[@todddonaldson8195]

I'm pulling loads of around 30 000 lbs including trailer weight, kind of like these guys. By my estimates don't I need to upgrade to a 2 ton according to payload ratings?

[@GSXRZ28HP]

2.7 mpg vs 2.4 mpg is a 12.5% difference in favor of the RAM. Similar results of 10% or greater better fuel efficiency are seen in other TFL tests. I see so many"hot shot" haulers using RAMs I'm betting they know how much the fuel economy means to their bottom line. Fuel efficiency is a big thing to look at when you're buying a towing rig. Diesel trucks are about capability, efficiency and durability There are many other vehicles a person can purchase if you're looking for outright speed. A 8500lb + truck shouldn't be your first choice.

[@TTCoyoteF150]

This just proves that the 2020 Ram HD is gonna be a serious contender.

[@davesracingchannel9261]

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[@AEV305]

fishgill0890 im waiting on that egr free design. This beast is going to DESTROY the competition!!!

[@kstimberghost3283]

I guess those Ram guys who say..... The straight 6 pulls better and better when you throw weight on her aren’t so full of it. Great video. I get why you all have begin to cut them down length wise. I miss all the commentary during the runs. I want to soak up as much of Mr. Trucks knowledge as I can. Quote of the year so far....... “We like to grease our balls” 🤔🤨😏😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@zach4321]

Great comparison, it sucks that this gets lost in the comments below thanks to the brand loyal folks. And for the people knocking GM for not being able to tow this much Mr. Truck himself said he was a bit nervous towing that much weight.

[@montanacrochetcreations]

Just watched the new super Ike gauntlet. Great video but 2 points of contention are that on my 2017 f350 the second air brake setting seems to keep my fifth wheel from gaining speed better than the first setting and the sound from my double moonroof is noticeably louder when the fabric is retracted. My buddy has a 2017 ram 3500 and I think the moonroof size comes into play when there is that much glass exposed for sound testing due to the Fords bigger size. Keep up the great work!

[@davesracingchannel9261]

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