Is the V8 DEAD? The New Turbo Ram 1500 vs Ford F-150 Coyote On The World's Toughest Towing Test!

[@kevinkelly3760]

The hurricane hasn't proven itself in the longevity department. As a technician of almost 30 years, I have seen dozens of coyotes come in with over 300k miles and still running just as smooth and strong as day one. For me, if I have to drop over $50k, I want at least 10 years of reliable service.

[@TFLtruck]

We will have to wait and see.

[@windrider65]

If I was to buy a new F-150, it would be the coyote, I wouldn't even consider an Eco boost. No with saying that I'm a van guy, I drive a Chevy Express extended cargo van with the 6 liter. I think the RAM pro Master and Ford van are butt ugly, plus they don't offer a V8 or a big diesel. I live full time in a 32 foot travel trailer that weighs 8300 lbs as sitting with all my stuff in it.

[@dafarmer3721]

@@windrider65we were looking at a used suv 2015 Yukon and 2016 expedition I personally love the interior on expedition but there was waste gate problems ended up with a 5.3 Yukon

[@terrencejones9817]

Execpt for all those Coyotes with cam phasers/timing chain failures? Or how about cylinder 7 and 8 getting too hot while towing and scoring the cylinder walls?

[@BurghAleAddict]

Very true. I guess we’ll have to wait and see, however I feel confident in saying the new hurricane inline 6 will be way more reliable than the pentastar v6. Chrysler has a pretty good history with inline 6’s

[@nm-qt2hb]

The Ford gets the same fuel economy, the pay load is 400 lbs better, less squat, bigger fuel tank, better downhill braking, and a V8, plus cheaper price? No brainer, Ford takes the win by miles.

[@Jay-me7gw]

The Ford was also lower optioned. It didnt even have a trailer brake controller, so comparing the prices isnt exactly fair. Setting them both up for max towing(3.73's and tow/haul on the F150 and trailer tow group, 3.92's and locker on the ram) the Ram is actually 2k cheaper.

[@mdubz101]

@@Jay-me7gw maybe so, but that coyote is simple. No turbos, no water to air inter coolers on and on. Way too complicated and super expensive to fix. Want boost? Buy the coyote f150 add a Whipple and it’s a reliable truck still with 750hp.

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@mdubz101 The 5.0 is not simple. Its dual injected, with 4 cams, cylinder deactivation and a whole bunch of other tech.

[@mdubz101]

@@Jay-me7gw how do those things compare to the cost of turbos, etc? I don’t see that as a fair comparison. To each there own 🤷

[@Jay-me7gw]

​@@mdubz101 Why dont you look up the cost of turbos for a 3.5L Ecoboost on TascaParts instead of asking? Since you probably wont, I'll tell you that the OEM turbos are less than $400 a piece. This myth that Turbos are this super complex, expensive item needs to die. They are actually quite simple and cheap, especially when you are building them at the scale of 100's of thousands a year. And they are ridiculously easy to replace since they are hanging off the side of the engine. All of the maybe 10 bolts are accessible and easy.

[@matts229]

GM guy here, so I dont have a horse in this race. The Ford wins no question. Long live the V8.

[@coachvonyo]

RAM has lost their minds on pricing.

[@gregkelly2145]

I wouldn't say they've lost their minds, all of these trucks are ridiculously overpriced. My suspicion is that the settlement of the UAW strikes a few years ago massively increased labor costs which are now being paid for by us.

[@C8sorbs]

@@gregkelly2145That’s exactly what happened. It’s also why all manufacturers will be offshoring their products. The UAW has effectively killed itself, again.

[@tinshield]

@@gregkelly2145100%

[@carholic-sz3qv]

lets not forget the ram inline 6 motor is brand new compared to the old ford v8

[@tinshield]

@@carholic-sz3qv clearly the motivating factor for these types of engines is emissions and Ram doesn’t have the engine choices Ford does to offset a V8 option in these 1500’s. I’m not sure how the federal regulations work but I’m guessing it’s an averaging of emissions across the lineup? Mileage isn’t a big difference, that’s for sure.

[@DanielJaegerFilms]

As much as I love my eco-boost F150, that 7000 RPM redline on the coyote sounds glorious!

[@puncht37]

Wonderful, isn`t it?

[@rodjones812]

At that elevation, I would’ve expected more of a difference. The Ford V8 has definitely got some oomph!

[@BurntTransGarage]

I went from towing 9,000ft with a 3.5L Ecoboost to the same run with an N/A 6.2L V8 and haven't noticed any struggle at those altitudes. I was pleasantly surprised.

[@hpkntnw]

Oh the coyote breathes very well at high rpm!!

[@francesco1998]

I believe it’s because the Coyotes cylinder heads design allows for extremely efficient volumetric efficiency. Most engines get 80-90% while the Coyotes get 100-110% volumetric efficiency. They operate better the higher they rev as well.

[@MJ-fj9yv]

V8 isn’t dead, commons sense in US is dead.

[@gpaje]

You still have Ford and GM if you want a full size V8.

[@sixpest]

Exactly all these small engine will wish death on themselves in 6 to 8 years from normal use. v8s were always better and more efficient, its why they dont even bother 6cyl on the HD pickup side.

[@sinepari9160]

The commie run EPA is slowly destroying everything.

[@yoster77]

I thought the same way, until I went turbo back in 2014 on the F150. Still love my 5.0 (that ecoboost just doesn't sound good.. and gets WORSE mpg than my 5.0 lol,) but man oh man when I'm towing, that low end torque of the turbo just can't be beat. It's sooooo effortless (ESPECIALLY when climbing a steep grade). My 5.0 does well too but it's just.. different. I'm a turbo believer now. I will say though, my ecoboost HAS required more maintenance for sure. Stupid manifolds and turbo exhaust flanges... always leaking. And on hot 95+ days when climbing with the turbo's working, it can struggle at times to stay cool. Ford should have doubled the cooling capacity on that thing.

[@sinepari9160]

@@yoster77 It's crazy that Ford still hasn't fixed their manifold issues. It's why I went aftermarket headers back in 2005.

[@ajmprovidence]

I have a 2015 F-150 with a coyote with 200,000 Mi on it. Runs like the day I bought it

[@waylonmccellon7779]

O4 ram 1500 5.7 hemi 254000 all factory drivetrain still going Ole dookie dodge😂

[@danielbremner7805]

I have a 2015 F-150 Coyote with 313,700 on it so far and love the truck! I have had an issue lately with the VCT causing lack of power at lower rpm, but only when it is fully up to temperature...

[@Rusty-wheel]

2015 to 2017 5.0 engine will last everything after is junk , 2018+ oil consumption and 10 speed trany that runs 246F it will not last

[@Rusty-wheel]

Don't forger rubber oil pump belt on 2018+ Garbage

[@dewdew34]

Guessing no cylinder deactivation, that's what bothers me about the new ones. Thank the EPA for all this tech that will fail ...

[@lonnieopp8198]

Better question is how long before Ram goes out of business

[@billwalter9917]

It won’t be long! Unless the the Chrysler family steps up and somehow works a deal to rescue/purchase the mopar line back from Stellantis. 🤞

[@BeowulfHagen]

If V8s are dead, it’s because mfgs are no longer offering them or not allowed to due to regs. Not because people wouldn’t buy them. Compound this with what dealers have on the lots. Most people will just buy what they can get immediately instead of waiting for higher end options on a custom order.

[@bk27117]

It's all about the regulations

[@Jacob99174]

V8’s only die because we did it

[@alvilla701]

We are not buying them, just look at the number since 2011 with the f150 ecoboost compared to the 5.0. Many people want V8, but many more want turbo

[@omardevonlittle3817]

​​@@alvilla701no. Many more ppl were sold eco boosts... kinda like Tundra... having their best sales quarter EVER. Is that because ppl prefer the turbo over the v8? I would say not

[@mav4516]

@@alvilla701that’s because they are no longer the majority of the engines produced, all manufactures have shifted to a more “fuel efficient” engine due to regulations. Still doesn’t stop people from buying them, they’re just harder to come by. Ford doesn’t offer a V8 in their full size SUV, you can only get an ecoboost. That’s why the numbers look that way. Cause and effect

[@stevenyoung5329]

The Coyote, for the most part, is a very proven engine while the Hurricane remains to be seen. The Coyote hands down sounds incredible compared to the Hurricane. My money is on the V-8.

[@Smashy71-72]

I bought a brand new rebel 5th gen for 48,800 OTD. That same spec today is 73,500. I’m driving it until the wheels fall off.

[@kdaltex]

Sometimes the wheels fall off right out the lot

[@Darbman62]

My 2017 F-150 Lariat with 3.5 Ecoboost was $46,300 out the door. Same spec now is $78k.

[@kenj.8897]

​@@Darbman62you can get it for much less than that

[@toughbowtietruck]

I think the thought of myself buying another new truck is more dead than anything else. The fact I bought my 2015 2500HD LT gas crew cab 4x4 new for $39,000 really makes me cringe at these current prices as well.

[@aussie2uGA]

With the rapid decline in the dollar's buying power, it's only going to get worse.

[@akita989]

From the last strike they just pulled 4-6 months ago the trucks are already up another 3.5k-5k 🤦‍♂️😂

[@MJ-fj9yv]

@@aussie2uGADon’t vote blue.

[@cmiles97x38]

Holding onto my 2018 Tundra as well. New prices make me happy to keep it.

[@9663mu]

Could it be your broke ? And that 6.0 is a dog.

[@wesshepard]

It’s great to see Mr. Truck and Andre back at it again.

[@bm9074]

Absolutely!!!

[@jessaphillips2846]

Don’t you mean Mr. Truck and Kent since Andre is the new Mr. Truck? Lol

[@TimeMariner]

Mr truck is slurring drunk in this one.

[@JT012]

I love my 2023 F-150 Tremor with the 5.0 Coyote. Plenty of smooth power and I am averaging 18.8 mpg. The sweet sound of the duel exhaust is a fringe benefit.

[@kylesummers1565]

I'm getting better mpg in mine, but I agree. I would like a little better factory sound on the exhaust though.

[@JT012]

​@kylesummers1565 Do you have a Tremor? I ask because the Tremor gets a couple MPGs less than other F-150s.

[@kylesummers1565]

@@JT012 Yes, I have a 2023 Tremor Coyote. I'm getting about 21.2 according to the truck and about 19.8 calculated over the last several thousand miles. It doesn't like heavy wind or really high speed as far as mpg, but that truck calculation number includes that. It may be a unicorn, but I'm not complaining.

[@rooster3019]

Your sound level meter is set to "A" scale and "A" scale is designed to ignore much of the lower frequency sound. One of these trips, compare the meter reading at "A" and then "C". "C" is not linear, but much less filtering of the lows.

[@Obee883]

$57K for a work truck? This is ridiculous. I’ll be driving this maybe in 2040

[@ChristisKing117]

With the gov starting their V2X agenda, better off just building up and older truck.

[@JimBronson]

They are advertising Supercrew F-150s with the 2.7 in the mid-30s nearby to me. 2WD of course, I live in Central Texas.

[@johnrobinson5156]

I'd rather have a V8 to keep running in 10 years. No turbo heat problems. Not a Stellantis fan.

[@RedHaloManiac95]

Amen, Mopar is dead and steallantis does all the building. And before some fanboy comes in crying what I mean is Mopar doesn’t make any parts anymore they’re just all made in china from some manufacturer that they pay to put their logo on

[@Michael-1337]

Modern turbos really don't have heat problems anymore. The hurricane has a separate low temp cooling loop for both the turbos and the intercooler.

[@stevenyoung5329]

I agree with you to a point. The new twin turbos have come light years in the past decade though.

[@05milmachine90]

I'm just doubtful the rubber band driving the Ford V8 oil pump will be with us in 10 years...none of the crap made today is designed for 10 years from now.

[@hpkntnw]

Only thing that irks me with the new coyotes is the “Kevlar” belt driven oil pump. Why couldn’t they just leave it gear driven or give it the same chain as the Godzilla!!

[@davidg5965]

We wanted the 3.5 ecoboost vs the hurricane and a hurricane vs the 5.7 hemi video

[@DorDeKrey]

I won't buy a vehicle without a dipstick. RAM is nuts for thinking that was ever going to be ok.

[@robertyoung8289]

I married one. 😢

[@ohioguy4326]

Yea you can monitor the oil real time and be notified of an issue before it becomes a bigger issue. The average consumer never even checks the dip stick.

[@focojeepr]

@@ohioguy4326I heard it can’t distinguish full vs overfilled.

[@gregorssamsa]

BMW has been doing this for years. It’s fine. I agree with you though. My M57 diesel has both and the dipstick often disagrees with the digital. Guess which one I trust?

[@cavemanmoneyshot_6850]

Excellent point. I like the idea of the hurricane motor but no dipstick is absurd.

[@lllateralus]

My 2018 F150 3.5 did get the new cam phasers, but just turned 140K miles yesterday during an 1100 mile all day drive. Smooth and dead silent all day. Runs like brand new.

[@TheWilber09]

Keep us updated on the Belt in oil for the oil pump on the Ford. Im sure it's fine, but ultimately, I didn't want that hanging over my head to change out at some point.

[@Vernon-nd2yc]

Or rubber crumbs clogging oil pickup tube!

[@daveallen7767]

Great choice Ken ! 6.5' bed, V-8, 6 passenger, 36gal. tank. In '22 I ordered a similar XL, not max tow since my RV trailer weighs only 3300# . Only thing I'd change is go with 3.55 axles for better performance in Wyoming / Montana headwinds. I keep it in 7th gear manually but drops to 6th gear towing into those darn western winds !

[@aaronbritt2025]

@7:45... Please stop calling a 6.5 foot bed a "long bed". It's not. It's a standard size bed. 8 foot is a "long bed". 5.5 foot beds are short beds. I don't think anyone sells a 1/2 ton long bed crew cab any more. You gotta step up to a 3/4 ton to get a crew cab with a long bed.

[@guantai69]

I believe the Tundra is the only truck.

[@beauwille2294]

I get 5' = short, 6' = standard and 8' = long, but it doesn't make sense in today's market. You also contradict yourself..."stop calling the longest available bed in the 1500 as a long box" Crew Cab and short box (5'x") is the most popular and commonly sold combination on half tons. 6'x" beds are available with the big cab, but are rare pairings in comparison. An 8' bed on half tons is available on Reg cabs only and is rare. So it does make sense to refer to the standard bed as 5'x", and long bed as 6'x". When talking about HD trucks, it's easy to know the standard bed is 6'x" and optional long box is 8'x". Such a simple concept that is much easier for the average consumer, who is guess what... Buying a crew cab with a 5'x" standard box.

[@leedanielson7452]

5'7 is the normal bed length now days...And has been for some time...6'4 or so is now the big bed....

[@gondorian1006]

He said longer

[@Cloud30000]

I’m game with calling 6.5’ a standard bed if you are good with calling a truck with 2k payload and 10k towing an HD truck to be consistent with trucks from the 80’s. Then, many half ton trucks become HD trucks 😉

[@brianmachan6959]

I have a 2013 5.0 f150 with 563000 km. Original engine and transmission. It burns no oil and still shifts great, it also still hauls ass. 5.0 all the way for me

[@bobmartens1089]

Wow thats super impressive! I have a 2014 5.0 and change oil every 4000km got 140,000km and hope it lasts forever.

[@440-6Pack]

For $2,000 more than the Ram 1500 you can configure a Ram 3500, with the Hemi 6.4 Liter and 4 wheel drive with 8 foot box according to the Ram website configurations.

[@justinkostelecky6201]

Yeah, that’s a no brainer at that point…

[@billwalter9917]

Yup, absolute no brainer

[@ls1jeeper]

I have that truck 22 6.4 3500 ... so far it's been great

[@chrishighley9820]

They ride like crap

[@TevisC]

Naw... They ride fine. And for towing like this test (and a lot heavier), no comparison.

[@briancarmichael1668]

I had an accident in Dec 2019 and was forced to replace my 15 F150 5.0. I had a tough time finding what I wanted, Crew cab, 6.5 ft box, 5.0. But I persisted and found a dealer demo that had 9000 km on it. It is an XLT with the 302A, 502A, and Sport options and a few other things. With the rebate and dealer discounts, I paid $40k CAD. At the time, I was frustrated at having to replace a 4 year old truck. but with what’s happened with prices, it was a blessing. In 2023 when I had 75,000 km on it, the dealer offered me $43k on trade. I didn’t trade it, and it’s going strong. I’ve been a Ford guy since the 1970’s, nothing stirs my soul like that 5.0 at 5000rpm.

[@brandonmacon3317]

Yea the dealer offered me 4k for a ten month old 2021 fully loaded fx4 when trying to move to a 2022. Only had 19k miles on her. Your dealer is a fairytale or one in a million

[@TW-ym6gu]

I have a 3.5 EB for my personal truck (2019) and the 5.0 V8 in a work truck (2023), and I am soooo glad I did not get that weak V8 .

[@TheNewenglandboys]

Good comparison. I think a V8 has always been a mainstay. Everyone from yesteryear knows the sound the V8 can make and it just sounds cool. I love my 2020 Ram with the 5.7 and 3:92s. The new Rams are a sweet ride but at this point, with this being the first year for the hurricane engine, personally I wouldn’t buy it. My rule: Never buy a vehicle that hasn’t been around long enough to prove its self. All manufacturers are in a hurry to come out with something new but I’ll stick with tried and true. The 5.7 had all the engine a half ton should have. The fuel mileage difference is minute and turbos are expensive when they have an issue. No manual oil dipstick is no common sense. I think they’ll change that. Great vid guys.

[@CJColvin]

Agreed 100% brother, I just traded my 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it (with 163,000 miles on it and it was a great truck) for a 2024 Nissan Titan with the 5.6L Endurance V8 in it with 400 HP and 413 Ibs of Torque and man its a beast and it's going to last me a very long time.

[@chadboyd5300]

A drunk side kick is always good to bring on test drives. He’s hammered!

[@thomasbell6839]

That or he's having a stroke

[@donaldjefferson8176]

I was actually wondering about Mr. Truck he just doesn’t sound quite his self so now you got me thinking 😂😂

[@TimeMariner]

He's had a problem for years.

[@caseymckeeborrego]

Mr. Truck and Andre are spot on. Totally happy with my xlt (xlt, cause I like all the chrome)F150 5.0 4x4. Love the 4x4 system and the lack of gadgets. An honest, basic V8 is refreshing.

[@CJColvin]

Agreed 100%, though the only things to watch out for the Gen 4 Coyote (especially in the F150) would be the cylinder deactivation and the Auto stop start (which is why I bought the 2024 Nissan Titan with the 5.6L Endurance V8 in it instead of the 2024 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it).

[@BurntTransGarage]

I had so many issues with my 3.5L Ecoboost F150, I traded it for a gas F250 and never looked back. I wish I could have tried my same F150 with a Coyote, though. I might still have that truck.

[@caseymckeeborrego]

@CJColvin mine is a 2014. I got that year on purpose even though it was nearly a decade old when i got it. Last year for steel body, no cylinder deactivation, port injection, decent fuel economy, and that wonderful 6 speed. I was dead set on a 5.7 tundra, but my local truck dealer showed me that Ford he picked up from the original owner. He had a couple tundras as well (Toyota guy like me). We were looking at it and he said he couldn't pass it up. It's literally the ideal half ton Ford and the only way he would buy one. Plus it had reasonably low miles and was a fair price. Love it so much that I plan on keeping it as our family hauler and trail rig. Next is a 7.3 gas F350.

[@KellyMortensen-y8l]

@@CJColvin My 2023 XL 5.0 has a button on the dash that deactivates the start stop deactivation

[@CJColvin]

@caseymckeeborrego Awesome brother, the 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 I had was awesome and we had it for 13 years and it's been a really great truck.

[@Danzilly]

Mr. Truck thanks for letting Andre use your truck in a video!😄 Andre thanks for using work trucks in this video.😇

[@ajmedeiros77]

Which one has dipstick? I’ll pick that one. The inline 6 intrigued me, but it’s not like old inline 6’s. Way too stressed with twin turbo and complicated. Don’t think of it like an old school straight 6. And theres no reason they couldn’t have put a dipstick AND the computer monitor for the oil level. Just cheap stelantis/fiat as usual.

[@donleamon8653]

I could be wrong, but I'd bet the omission of the dipstick tube may have more to do with emissions (sealing the crankcase) than cost.

[@johncotter9082]

@@ajmedeiros77 Toyota can't build a turbobengine that works, so how the hell is Stellantis going to pull it off. Can you say RECALL!!!

[@loveracing1988]

​@@johncotter9082they have made them for years genius

[@johncotter9082]

@@loveracing1988 they built a decent one a long time ago. They can't build anything now. Brain surgeon.

[@Themachine052]

The Coyote unloaded with a intake and exhaust and 10speed is one of the fastest trucks I’ve ever driven

[@RareGenXer]

She's definitely a top breather and loves to sing at high RPM, so 3.73 rear axle gears a really needed to get the most out of her.

[@brandonmacon3317]

Doesn't matter if its 3:73 the 3:55 or 3:31. Four doors or two it will fly either way

[@tcmcclure2323]

Can confirm

[@maddogs1989]

Clearly you've never been in an EcoBoost. Even on this channel they show it. The 5.0s don't even compete

[@terrellwhite3334]

​@maddogs1989 it's twin turbocharged u fool ..if u mildly mod a 5.0 shit gets really interesting for ur ecoboost

[@truthteller7208]

I would take the 50 coyote motor over a V6 any day I have a 2011 Ford F1 50 50 with 370,000 miles still running strong, same motor and transmission

[@golfbravowhiskey8669]

I went into our big Dodge dealership to get some parts yesterday and my salesman said they’ve only sold four new vehicles this entire month. 2 jeeps and 2 Cummins 3500. Only sold 3 of the 1500’s since may.

[@motley1989]

the lot by me has plenty of 1500s on it, and they couldn't keep them before. Getting rid of the hemi was STUPID of them to do.

[@wolfgang_h3t]

​​@@motley1989 My local dealer had a lot of 1500 hemis still, so many that I was tooken completely by surprise when I heard they stopped offering it. Ram might just not be selling well in general

[@mattquinley2134]

At highway speeds with a 10-speed transmission, why would a 3.73 rear end make any difference in engine braking? Shouldn't the transmission be able to just drop 1-2 additional gears to achieve the same overall ratio?

[@Jay-me7gw]

yes. But its possible there is a gap somewhere that it cant make the jump down. My 2018 Lexus LX570 has an 8 speed and 3.31's and there are definitely holes, especially climbing. I get stuck in a power well where I'll be in 3rd at 3800 rpm and cannot drop to 2nd because it would kick me up to redline and so it wont drop the gear. The F150's 2nd is shorter than mine so it would be up north of 6000 rpm if it dropped down to 2nd. Having the 3.73's would allow it to stay in 3rd but spin 5400 rpm instead of 4800 at 60 mph.

[@sundevilkdaddy]

I have owned two Coyote F-150 trucks. Just replaced my 2016 with a 2023 in February. My favorite motor for a half ton truck. Love the sound.

[@Real_Natural]

The 2,000lb cargo capacity on that F150 is amazing. 6.5 ft bed and that cargo capacity makes for a very capable truck. Now let’s see how often Mr Truck gets to see his service writer at the dealer. I like the Ford product best but can’t tolerate build quality. Best thing about V8 is you lose all that plumbing guaranteed to leak needed for lubing and cooling the turbos.

[@waynewright6988]

Just a minor correction to my above statement ... my PAYLOAD is 2545, not my towing capacity. My stated towing capacity for my truck is listed as 13,000 lbs, though I never want to test that limit.

[@thatfordguy2268]

Ford's CEO made a statement recently and said regardless of what the epa says, Ford will always offer a V8 gas engine!🇺🇸💪👍 And we all know two things 1 they are a mile above sea level-thinner air 2 you slap on a set of turbo's on the Coyote and leave those other trucks in the dust!😁

[@atg1338]

But but but

[@kdaltex]

2.0L V8 with baby cylinders and turbo charging

[@johnpeters9793]

And leave your warranty in the dust....

[@limitedslip82]

​@@johnpeters9793look up Ford's factory dealer add-on super charger that retains Ford's warranty for the 5.0

[@shoveI]

I don't think either truck was wanting for power, they both got an equivalent perfect score (traffic on both)

[@stephenp8644]

Ram 3.92 rear axle vs. Ford 3.31 rear axle... makes a big difference going uphill. If the Ford had a 3.73 or higher rear axle, it would have had a quicker 35 to 70 mph time also. Torque and gear ratios/ axle ratios make a huge difference in trailer tow, uphill climb, and also gas mileage. It all depends on what you need your truck for.

[@hookm44]

I just bought a 2025 Ram 1500 crew cab Lonestar edition 4x4 and paid $48,995 plus TTL with hurricane 3.0. This truck has lots of power, and rides very smooth. Plus I’m averaging 21mpg.

[@toddbob55]

Big mistake chryslers are garbage

[@susanestes418]

Fords are the biggest pieces of crap on the road😂

[@seagullsbtn]

I hadn't seen the screen on the 24s before. It matches the Super Duty and provides all the information I'd love to have as a 21 owner. But I love my Coyote. So no changes happening. Love my Weigh safe hitch especially with the Demco latch.

[@969thewhip]

You automatically get the 5.0v8 as base engine and 4x4 when configured as a super crew with 6.5ft bed.

[@fix4dirt]

Same with reg cab short bed. But you can choose 2 or 4wd on that one.

[@sinepari9160]

@@fix4dirt If you can find a regular cab short bed in the entire USA, I'd be surprised. Rich people are buying every single one that rolls off the line and having them install a supercharger on it.

[@fix4dirt]

@@sinepari9160 Ahh got it. I only saw them on the config site, not sure about their availability.

[@deal492]

​@sinepari9160 the only.way to get a regular cab 6.5 bed is with a 5.0... and dealers cannot put orders in for them. They have to be customer retail order.. NO LOT VEHICLES.

[@sinepari9160]

@@deal492 What is the current eta on those? i'd wait some time on an order but not 4 months!

[@tonyc7435]

Congrats on the new ride mr. truck! Great engine choice the coyote is fantastic! I have had 3 trucks with that motor, cannot say enough good things about it.

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@spinedoc893]

In general any forced induction engine is subject to more stress and strain than a naturally aspirated engine particularly if you are making 400+hp from a 3L or 3.5L engine boosted engine vs a 5L or bigger NA engine so odds are something will fail sooner and/or more often than a naturally aspirated engine. To me the turbos cost more, have less reliability history to go on and don't get any better MPG. They do tow better at altitude but I'll stick with a V8.

[@franknedobity2757]

I run nothing but 93 octane in my 5.0, had since new, 18.6 mpg average city and highway driving. It’s amazing to have that much comfort and build quality in a ford. I left Toyota to go with ford and I will tell you that the ford 5.0L will get you further per mile. 22:32 the brakes were wet too with each application. A more linear application of pressure for longer would help heat the rotors more on the down hill for the Ram.

[@johngz3413]

Let's be honest If you are actually going to tow something regularly that's bigger than a boat you should have a 3/4 ton platform at least for the stability.

[@mclroy]

Hi guys, When i change my 2015 F-150 3.5 ecoboost in 2021, i choose a Lariat V8. It was for the same reasons as Mr Truck. The rumble of the V8. I didn't tow to much, so unladen it's still a very quick truck. Gas mileage is about the same if not better than the 3.5. So i'm very happy with my coyote.

[@dbeardsley0]

Love my coyote in my 22 F150. Not to mention ford put over half a billion into their v8 program during covid. It ain't going no where. My dad and I each had an EcoBoost, nothing but common issues with each one. Issues with timing chains and the boosts in each at no more than 80000 miles

[@Real_Natural]

@@dbeardsley0 timing chains and cam phasers. The TT V6 is a Great engine it really is. The complexity though is more than the ford production line and parts buyers can pull off though, resulting in lots of trips to the dealer. I wanna love that engine though cause it’s bad @$$

[@jamesbyington2101]

Mr. Truck and Junior...these are my favorite TFL videos.

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@WW-wf8tu]

I am 100% with you Mr. Truck. There comes a time when we older folks revert back to what we know. I did that last year as well. And while I was not driving a 4 banger with turbos and all that crap, I missed the V8 sounds and long term performance. Sure the new junk can compensate and make better #'s in a lot of places, but the V8 has that long term reliability and gives you that smile that we have been missing. So, good for you getting V8 back in your life! It makes you smile and that at the end of the day is more important than quiet, short term life performance.

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@steveschu]

Nothing wrong with Turbo's. Its bad people not doing proper and timely maintained that gives them a bad rep. Turbos like any other engine need good oil.

[@RuggedSportsmen]

Just picked up my 24 5.0 F150. I get 22-25mpg highway and 16-17 city. Sounds incredible and makes the same HP and TQ as my 2011 6.2L Raptor. Phenomenal truck

[@nismomike3182]

Will the push towards small displacement turbo engines subside with the overturn of Chevron Deference?

[@CJColvin]

I hope so as well as eliminate the cylinder deactivation as well.

[@nismomike3182]

@@CJColvin Auto start/stop can also gtfoh

[@carlson2012abqb]

Both over $50k talking about lower pricing 😂😂😂

[@richmondcochran5367]

Don’t be mad at TFL they just the messengers I bet they all think the prices are straight bullcrap too😂

[@carlson2012abqb]

@@richmondcochran5367 I’m not mad at all lol I build broncos and rangers and I’m mad at ford for their damn prices 🤣

[@Moonless6491]

went to go build a maverick and it came out over 30k. Nope. I'll stick to what I got.

[@carlson2012abqb]

@@Moonless6491 it’s bs! I drive an Ecosport because it’s just too expensive

[@pryme2013]

I got my 2500 4wd crew new in 22 for 50k. I feel that was a decent deal. Coupled with the absolutely bonkers trade value of what I was trading in, it worked out well.

[@Red_Bearded_Dad]

It's weird that here in central Mississippi, our local dealers have a majority of 5.0 F150s. Maybe Ford figures being in the mountains, the turbo engines would be better suited to the higher altitudes. I love the 5.0 in my 2023 F150!

[@steveschu]

I agree. Turbos like load.

[@freddymardiceii3273]

Love these reviews! Keep it up Andre and Mr. Truck!

[@TFLtruck]

Thank you!

[@ShiftingGearsCrushingBeers]

I just put a Corsa exhaust and Rotofab intake on my Yukon Denali w a 6.2 V8. Sounds awesome and, with a good tune for high octane, returned 40whp. I bet a V6 sounds terrible w the same setup. Maybe the 6 makes better power but I’d rather have that sweet, sweet V8 noise!

[@josephcullen2512]

Wow the Ram is quiet! And it was even in the rain with some water on the road

[@4-LOW]

Ram sales down 30% and you're asking if the V8 is dead? No, Ram and Dodge are dead.

[@ryansheard8092]

Great video, TFL! Great to see these two trucks go head to head.

[@TFLtruck]

Thank you for the kind words. And thank you for watching.

[@rickymcdaniel7971]

Love my 2018 F-150 5.0 Lariat. Hasn't been in the shop yet and averaging 18 MPG.

[@DOWNTOWN_AUDIO]

Yeah ford really offers the best all around pickup truck for doing truck things. They've had the best engine options in the half ton class for years now. The ecoboost has been tried and tested. I'd trust an engine that's been around for over 10 years now. I'd trust that all aluminum body and bed to stay as good as new for allt longer then a steel truck.

[@Hillbilly-Garage]

That coyote engine will still be running long after that hurricane.. Sad all the manufactures just care about chasing those numbers instead of reliability and longevity and the consumers.

[@CJColvin]

Agreed 100% the only things you have to worry about with the Gen 4 Coyote (especially in the F150) is the cylinder deactivation and the Auto stop start as we'll (which is why I chose the 2024 Nissan Titan with the 5.6L Endurance V8 in it over the 2024 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it).

[@AK_Ray]

​@@CJColvin just turn it off

[@Nikephorus]

I was considering getting an F-150 and was only looking at the V8 option. A mechanic friend of mine who used to work as a tech for Ford advised me to avoid the EcoBoost if I plan on keeping the truck past the warranty period.

[@maddogs1989]

I mean I have a 10 year old Gen 1 3.5L EcoBoost and outside of normal maintenance on it I've had zero issues.

[@bret9741]

I really have come to love the aluminum body. All over our job sites steel body trucks show visible rust, often you can push a finger through the metal. I’ve yet to see a 2015-2017 ford f-150 with corrosion on the body.

[@wolfgang_h3t]

Aluminum is great, wish more companies would switch over, or hell, wish ford would use it more, I think the mustang and ranger are still mostly steel

[@dannyvernon1098]

Maybe I'm just old school, but you'll never convince me that these new four and six cylinder hi-tech twin turbo engines can be anywhere near as reliable as just old school n/a straight six's and V8s. Turbos don't last, are a fail point, and you'll be replacing one (probably both) turbos way before 200,000 miles, and it's a big cost. By the way, still have my 1996 Ford Ranger 2.3 5 speed manual sitting in my driveway that I bought brand new, with about 250,000 miles on it. Yep, old school. 😃

[@99Xeno]

If you really really want to, you can add turbos to the coyote V8. Boom, massive power increase and reliability and fuel economy decrease.

[@chadkent1241]

😂. I added twin 57s to my 03 Mach, still get 25-26 mpg out of boost and no failure of anything engine wise. Next baseless argument....

[@Cloud30000]

My V8 has been taking 60 pounds of boost for 40 years without so much as a check engine light the whole time.

[@Youtubeuser1aa]

I put 2 turbos on my v8 80 years ago gets 46mpg

[@steveschu]

@@Cloud30000 That is an insane amount of boost. I hope your humor is talking about a semi truck. :)

[@suhcliekdukc1169]

I dont care about the comparison any more. The screen protector at 10:44 is gonna make me cry

[@richarddubois5529]

That means that the 3.5 eco-boost would just kill that hurricane!

[@apachefragoso]

Mr Truck is great person, as well as Andre, i like their friendship. well done guys. congratulations.

[@dubbleA100]

I think an aftermarket style oil cooler should be standard on any truck with tow packages.

[@pryme2013]

My truck came stock with an oil, trans and power steering cooler.

[@jamesorr2832]

A few years back I had a 39 FT travel trailer I pulled with a 2016 Ram 2500 Cummins and I pulled the IKE and when I went through the uphill Tunnel I looked over at my wife and Said Is That It???? I expected a lot more mountain than what I got!! Cabbage Patch in Oregon Yeah that's a Pull.

[@Jay-me7gw]

I agree. This is def not the worlds toughest towing test. The elevation may be high but its generally very cool and it really doesnt seem like they deal with much wind.

[@michaeljohnson4947]

For an extra 12 grand you could have a dealer installed, supercharger on your 5.0...it's only 770hp, but it'll cut you 0-60 times...I live on a hill, and am considering this option, for exactly this reason. Life was great, when we all had V8s.

[@christophercassidy1075]

I enjoy you guys, thanks for all you both do. Have A Blessed Day! - Chris

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

Love these lower trim level reviews!!!! Thanks guys!!

[@DISABLED12-7]

I bought my F-150 through Granger sight unseen (I'm in CA, they're in Iowa) over the phone and it was phenomenal service. Saved 10K over MSRP on my 2022 Platinum. Can't say enough good things about Granger (sponsors for this video).

[@Cam-LTowing-qz3cu]

Put it this way. Vehicles and manufacturers now don’t want their vehicles to last half 1,000,000 miles or more. There’s no money in it for them. They’re built for the sale not the trail. They built for comfort not the distance. They’re trying to get all vehicles on the road that break frequently. It keeps money coming in to the manufacturers pockets. They’re not expecting people to drive their vehicles for over 300,000 miles without getting a new vehicle. They don’t want that.

[@motley1989]

Couldn't agree more. Everything new is total junk it seems. Not just cars and trucks, TVs, appliances...it's all crap now.

[@LucasLeCompteMusic]

They build them just to last long enough to make it outside of their warranty. Once a vehicle makes it past their warranty they don't see it as real anymore.

[@tylerray2208]

It’s called planned obsolescence. Many huge companies have entire teams dedicated to understanding how to walk the line between something that needs to be fixed under warranty and something that will need to be replaced right after the warranty ends…..new sale.

[@ShopJock]

Special ordered a 23 f150 with the 5.0 amd 3.73 gears. Been super happy with it aside from way too many gizmos and unnecessary doodads that are nothing but a cost inflator amd distraction

[@rockie307]

I would take the ford 5.0. My 2013 has never had a single engine or transmission problem and has been abused. Front suspension is finally wearing out at 160,000 of course the 35 mts and winch guard doesn't help.

[@gregferris9378]

I had a 2017 Ford F-150 4X4 FX4 5.0 V8 with 6 speed auto and a 36 gallon fuel tank. It was the best riding vehicle I've ever had and the most comfortable also. I kept it for 5 years. It was in and out of the shop for warranty work so many times I couldn't stomach keeping it anymore.

[@CJColvin]

Ever since they started using the stupid cylinder deactivation on the Coyote V8 I decided to buy a 2024 Nissan Titan with the 5.6L Endurance V8 in it with 400 HP and 413 Ibs of Torque and man its a beast and best of all no cylinder deactivation, no turbos, and no Auto stop start crap either.

[@kdaltex]

When you fill up the tank on empty, how many gallons do you actually fill? On my tundra's 38 gallon tank I get 30, maybe 32 on fumes

[@zachlafond2652]

@@CJColvin #1 thing a person should do is get a device that turns that garbage off. I know someone with a GM v8 that has his disabled. Sure you get better mpg at certain times, but at what longterm cost.

[@Darbman62]

@@kdaltex if you are only getting 32 in... you weren't on fumes.

[@kdaltex]

@@Darbman62 well according to the gauge. The reserve keeps the fuel pump submerged

[@LukeEdward]

11% more is a hard on the wallet. Decreased lifespan of the drivetrain is also hard on the wallet. Good decision, y’all.

[@marioep18]

There's no replacement for displacement.

[@Captain-Awesome]

Kent congratulations on your new Macho truck 😎 Great Video guys! I would choose the Ford and my Son would choose the Ram, not sure he would still choose it with the hurricane engine though.

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@PrestonGladd]

Just towed from N.C. to to Alaska along the ALCAN pulling 5,000 LBS with my 2023 Wagoneer with the I6 SO Hurricane and it pulled like a dream. Plenty of power and was very smooth. HOWEVER my fuel mileage was 8MPG averaged along the entire trip. Which isn't really worse than a V8, BUT a diesel would do much much better. With that being said the Hurricane I6 S.O. is a great platform IMO.

[@pryme2013]

So a brand new vehicle pulling well under max tow did well? Amazing sir. Very happy to hear.

[@PrestonGladd]

@@pryme2013 a smart man doesn’t tow at his tow capacity. He buys a vehicle to tow that’s well over what he wants to tow, clearly you don’t have much experience with towing heavy loads over long distances.

[@PrestonGladd]

@@pryme2013 Just for context your average Semi truck can tow 80,000 LBS, your average semi trailer empty is 9-11,000 LBS, most semi's are not hauling 70,000 LBS worth of cargo, the wear and tear on them would be cost prohibitive at those weights. Thats why a smart man doesn't buy a tow vehicle planning to constantly max out its tow rating. But rather plans to hall 75% or less of the max tow capacity.

[@kentwinrich3647]

Sounds like a fun trip!

[@jameseroh6544]

.​@@PrestonGladd- When I last drove a semi, my tractor was 19k#, reefer trailer 15k#, for a payload of 46k#.

[@treyveston7965]

I bought a brand new Ram Tradesman 1500 with the 5.7 Hemi, crew cab, 4x4, and chrome group in 2015 for $29k. It's just crazy that they have doubled in price in 9 years. Back then, I looked at a comparable F150 and it was $40k. Stellantis is doing everything they can to destroy an iconic American brand by raising prices and decreasing quality. They are destroying Dodge, Ram, and Jeep as fast as they can.

[@dancolombo106]

CAFE standards and it's laughable. Anyone that's owned a TT6 truck in real life realizes when on the highway going most speed limits they're always in boost, if the wind is blowing into you you're in boost. The way they test vehicles for "HWY" mileage is an absolute joke.

[@braaap6292]

Yeah man, my 2.7 ecoboost is always pushing a few pounds of boost at the 70-85 mph speed limits around here. There's no free power. You have to be at like 60mph to have low enough load to not make boost.

[@jeffs2809]

Mine is not. I'm not claiming any record breaking MPG's, but it does OK, around 22 usually. Prob 80/20 highway/city.

[@Jay-me7gw]

Why does it matter if its in boost? Please explain what that would do besides completely eliminate pumping losses that large V8's would experience if they did not have cylinder shutoff? My 3.5L Ecoboost would pull my 5500 lb travel trailer at 70mph only making 3-4 psi of boost on flat ground. Wastegate duty cycle was almost zero and AFR's were running at 14.5, exactly where they should be for E10 fuel. AFR's did not decrease until I would hit ~350 ft-lbs of torque for more than 15 second, which would have been about 10-12 psi.

[@estebanamador7601]

​@@Jay-me7gwgreat information, thanks 👍👍

[@braaap6292]

It matters because the point is that the fuel efficiency you'd gain with a smaller motor is canceled out by the requirement to make more power via boost (and more fuel accordingly of course). My example is in a Bronco, which has horrible aerodynamics even compared to an F-150 so my fuel milage will be worse than yours. Turbos aren't free power. Yes they harness spent exhaust energy, but they're nowhere near 100% efficiency and they increase exhaust backpressure between the cylinder and the turbine. This is a pumping loss of sorts that you don't have on non turbo engines. And unless you're full throttle, you still have traditional pumping losses induced there on the intake side so that's not a great argument. As proven in this video, modern turbo motors are just a more complicated way to do the same thing a much simpler and more reliable modern naturally aspirated engine can do. It takes a given amount of energy to move a certain vehicle that weighs a certain amount over a given route. Yes these new turbo engines have more power, but if you actually use that extra power, you're using even more fuel.

[@erikswensen425]

It's good to say Andre and Mr. Truck back at it again for another Ike gauntlet run. I think Ford's 5.0 V8 would have done better accelerating and holding back the load going downhill better with the 3.73 gearing vrs the 3.31. Andre and Mr. Truck, you have to do an Ike gauntlet with Ford Super Duty with the 6.8L. That is the only truck that you haven't tested yet

[@tommytodd177]

I think its my fav how Andrea only wears cowboy hats on these test. No other videos.

[@woody4u247]

Fords build a truck page says his Coyote should've been a $1,660 up charge. his invoice didn't include that or his trailer towing rear suspension upgrade of $770 so that brings his corrected price UP $2,430 if the sticker was accurate for that optioned truck (not everyone is gonna luck out & find up charge options that aren't on the sticker). so the difference was actually $3,405 difference. Ram did have the adaptive Cruise control, Trailer Brake controller & trailer assist... so it did have options that would justify the price difference... so essentially they are almost identical. As for brake applications, it's to be expected, smaller engine displacement = less compression braking ability. the V8 has more. If the Coyote had a turbo, it would breathe easier up at those high elevations they test... overall... they're almost identical in almost every category, just a personal preference for styling in/out.

[@pryme2013]

People always talk about the higher power of the turbo V6 options. While that might be true, they are more high strung overall with higher pressures and more stress. You won’t see millions of miles or really even 400k mile original v6 turbo power plants. My N/A V8 is more than powerful enough for me at 401/464 and I love the sound especially idling in my garage on first start in the cold. Just glorious

[@CJColvin]

Exactly mate, my 2024 Nissan Titan with the 5.6L Endurance V8 in it makes 400 HP and 413 Ibs of Torque and man its a beast and it's reliable as hell.

[@2-1inffwa97]

To each their own for sure but I like my engines like my athletes All natural unfortunately it’s far and few between nowadays

[@bpri9880]

There’s plenty of F-150s with over 400k on the ecoboosts. Change the oil, don’t drag race every light and it will run. And for the turbos, those too are solid. It’s not like the early turbos of the 80’s and 90’s that were made of materials not suitable for high heat.

[@williamadams4843]

​@bpri9880 agree with one point towing. If you are not towing regularly or heavy trailers the eco boost is great. If you are get the v8

[@bpri9880]

@@williamadams4843 if you need to tow heavy loads and often, a v8 gasser isn’t good either. You should use a diesel. These 1/2 ton pick ups aren’t really meant for that, even though they are “rated” for it. I used to have a F-250 6.7 diesel and I towed very often with it, as soon as I didn’t need to tow anything like I was, I stepped back down to 1/2 ton. Now the most I tow is probably 3000lbs with my half ton. Personally I wouldn’t tow anything more than 5000lbs with a 1/2 ton.

[@gen1c8rs88]

A 5.6L DOHC V8(a 105mm block spacing for a truck engine or 110mm for a muscle car) for or 6L cam in block V8 would equal the performance of the 3L TT V6.

[@davidbutler5114]

At elevation your ford is down 100hp at 4k feet, and it still pulled without a problem.

[@Jay-me7gw]

Your math is slightly off. Its down 80hp at 6500', and 120hp at 11,000'. Thats because people dont realize pulling an 8500 lbs car trailer only needs about 250 hp to go 60mph up a 7% grade.. They used the 260hp Ram ecodiesel to pull a weight trailer in an 8 minute time as well. Which is why I was so disappointed that the 349 hp TTV6 GX550 did so poorly on the IKE the other day.

[@davidbutler5114]

@@Jay-me7gw Thought is was 7% per 1k

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@davidbutler5114 Its 3% per 1000' as a rule of thumb but air pressure does not decrease linearly either. The higher you go the less quickly it drops. Thats why the air pressure drops 30% in the first 2 miles(11000') above sea level but the atmosphere continues up for another 250 miles.

[@davidbutler5114]

Your awesome. Now i have a better understanding of how air density and power loss works. That being said I'm looking at all my NA cars and figuring out where they are really at.

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@davidbutler5114 what elevation are you at? I had a Lexus GX460 and now a LX570, both NA V8’s, and I live at 6500’. Both flow almost exactly 20% less mass air flow here. My GX flowed 30 lbs/min at sea level and 24 lbs/min here. You can assume 1 lbs/min of mass air flow is equal to 10 hp.

[@johnboy8191]

At 60k for a base model 3.0 hurricane or the 3.5 ecoboost they can keep em still reather have a 5.7 hemi or the 5.0 coyote over a turbo v6 the v8 gets better gas mileage towing as well at a cheaper overall cost including break downs and maintenance...... Edit: And anyone saying oh but there faster then the v8 yes until you equal the playing field and turbo or supercharge either v8 and its game over and there really not all that much faster then the v8s in the qtr mile with the v8s being straight motor .......

[@weegeemike]

The V8 isnt dead and probably never would be killed in a natural environment, but the current administration and its friends in congress are doing their best to regulate it out of existence. Real truck people want their V8s.

[@engineer_alv]

Ram used to be the value option in the full size truck market. Or at least that was when I bought my 2014 Tradesman, which was several thousands cheaper than the competition. Not anymore... Way to go Tavares & Co !!

[@joshuamarshall6753]

I wouldn't ever buy a truck with a v6. V8 or diesel only way to go

[@DCINC2]

Would a diesel 6 cylinder be acceptable? IMO, the Cummins turbo diesels are the most proven and best oil burner option .

[@michaelptm2269]

I love how Andre always just offers his truck for these tests. Very cool

[@0HOON0]

Thanks to Mr Truck for the 5.0 loaner as well!

[@temur72]

Tax deductions

[@hoosierdude7102]

He might be secretly hoping the Colorado has an accident so he could pick up a ride with cruise control!

[@bobqzzi]

Nice video LMAO. Under no circumstances is 6.5" a long bed.

[@gearheadtechnology]

it's just a standard bed.. but not 5 1/4" on crew cabs.. i couldn't do it..

[@Hảo_Nguyễn_Cuối_Tuần]

I just picked up STX v8 over last weekend to replace my 18 STX 2.7EB. Much more refined than 18. Not as big of a discount but alright for these times. Overall still a value truck, couple things made it bit more premium than last time, carpet, upgrade fuel tank, diff ratio choices, bigger screen, and those electronic gizmo. ❤