Desert Runner vs Rock Crawler Off-Road Challenge - This New Jeep Gladiator Truck Rules Supreme!

[@bobcat5412]

Great video. A fun comparison to be sure. I can't help but notice how slick and professional your videos are. Plus you add in a bit of humor with the pertinent facts. Stay safe guys and thank you. 🙂

[@bennettfoley3018]

this is a great description. Very professional videos, but we still have Roman having fun like a kid on Christmas morning during that last 1/4 mile run. Awesome

[@bobcat5412]

@@bennettfoley3018 I agree. Made me smile as he definitely reminds me of myself. You can see just how much they enjoy every moment.

[@natewilson6823]

Yes thank you for what y’all do! Btw I miss Motor Mt Monday’s!

[@300bhpton]

Bloody dreadful video, didn't they both get stopped at the same point on the razor rocks. Then proclaim one was 3wd. What a load of horse shit!!

[@adamduncan4422]

I would buy the Mojave because both are too long to rock crawl but you can find open spaces to have fun off road. Plus the better suspension on the Mojave should provide a better ride no matter what surface.

[@dimassalazar906]

I have a 2023 Mojave and I drove a Rubicon Unlimited for a week. The Rubicon seemed to ride smoother. But the beefier suspension and frame was why I went with the Mojave

[@madieonmaus4290]

The only thing that really makes it tough for me to decide which I’ll get, is the fact that the Rubicon has the sway bar disconnect and the Mojave doesn’t. I freaking love that button. If there was an easy way to put that in later, I’d totally go Mojave.

[@jonman364]

@@madieonmaus4290 From what I've read, it is easier (and cheaper) to add Rubicon features to a Mojave than Mojave features to a Rubicon. I may add a front locker eventually, but I'm sticking to a manual sway bar disconnect as the electronic ones tend to go bad. The wife's JKRU had quite the flashing light show on the dash when hers went bad.

[@mikebromelow8514]

@@dimassalazar906I have a feeling that tire pressures might have been a factor because the Mohave is the smoothest driving Jeep by far with the Fox internal bypass set up.

[@jacobeldredge803]

​@@mikebromelow8514 just drove each back to back today. Both 47k miles. Tbh the Mojave I felt the bumps more but it settled faster than the Rubicon. Think BUMP, vs bump wave. We're probably going to go with the Rubicon because honestly I like the ride better, But the Mojave was also in a little worse condition for the same price. plus a Rubicon has a higher tow rating at least for the 22s we looked at.

[@BigSam63]

This video is an advertisement for a single cab, short wheelbase gladiator

[@wrzl1675]

ssanderford63 completely agree

[@jedironin380]

We NEED the J6 Truck from last year's Jeep event! :)

[@lavrinnd1858]

Single cab, 6ft bed and 6 speed manual, I wouldn't hesitate to buy

[@norgepalm7315]

@@lavrinnd1858 despite how overpriced they are?

[@WORLDFAMECHASEGANG]

You can still put a hemi in the rubicon and switch the shocks and u good to go

[@nmtay]

4:55 "We're going to go right up the toughest part because this truck can do it" Truck: I can't do it.

[@MrBillsfishin]

Nice review but that Mojave needs to be tested on desert roads with whoops vs the Rubicon to see how different it really is. Send them both my way and I will be happy to help!

[@oddjobstoo]

As a person that has been off-roading 45 years now, it is common for us to have many people out with us, with vehicles that have various degrees of equipment performance and limitations too, ranging from extreme capability to little/moderate capability. Regardless, everyone drives to the ability of their equipment and manages to get through ALL obstacles. The short coming of this video is to expect each vehicle to perform equally on a trail and taking the EXACT same line on an obstacle. A better consideration would be to alternatively say that we are simply going to go 30 miles in one direction and how a person navigates any obstacles along the way is up to them relative to how they feel as though their ride is/is not limited by any performance constraints. The fair test would be to compare notes after a 30 mile run and discuss the variations between both units. My guess is that both units have their strengths and weaknesses but are probably largely equally capable of getting the job done if allowed to play to their individual strengths and weaknesses. Then in turn the same comparable run should be done in the desert as well. My guess that in the end it should always be a coin flip where an end user needs to decide what environment represents the bulk of their off road driving and hence what vehicle spec best suits them in the end. I'd guess in the end there is probably a 90%-95% overlap in regards to identically consistent performance between the 2 different units.

[@davidreeves3396]

Or get a guy/gal who wheels to drive it for them

[@resistthesystem6145]

Exactly!

[@22jeepmojave75]

Over 40 years I wanted a Jeep but turned away due to bad rough rides but due to Mojave model, I finally bought one and I love it.

[@jpmchausse]

Both jeeps had to back off and take another line on the first obstacle, " 3 wheel drive" or not. Seemed pretty even to me.

[@DaddyDog]

Right! Where they got the idea that the rubicon did better I don't know. Was the same for both...

[@Parityodd]

Also that seems like they wanted to take the worst path

[@Adventures_with_ole_dude]

That’s what I was thinking also. I say tie!

[@erickhart6159]

Both seemed to go fine when you didn't have the diffential beached on that same rock. You had to move both to the left to miss it and they were fine.

[@erickhart6159]

Plus one driver that just drove and another that moaned more than they drove the first obstacle

[@lavrinnd1858]

"Am I damaging anything" "nah your good" "is that the rear axle back there" "nah just dont look back" lol

[@AnissaEx]

haha right? "it's just a skid plate"

[@HoosierDaddy_]

Just a skid plate. Just like an oil pan.... A skid plate! Ripping the rear differential apart won't hurt anything! When your spotters just don't give a damn!

[@ebx2323]

Lmao!

[@dentman67]

The front locker didn't come into play on the razor rocks. He high centered with the Mojave you didn't on you're second try with the Rubicon. Different lines give different results.

[@marcnunes6916]

Ya I did noticed it was not exactly the same lines and he stopped where the rubicon kept spinning as well.

[@Ozgrade3]

If there is is a silver lining to 3 weeks of lockdown, it's having plenty of time to binge watch TFL.....and of course Mr Truck. Simply the best automotive series on KZbin. Stay safe guys.

[@strangeraceteam]

Great video! Helped me decide between a Rubicon and Mojave. When you talk about setting up the Mojave for rock crawling you don't mention placing it in off road plus mode. One of the advantages of off road + is that in first gear, 4 low, the front axle uses more aggressive braking to simulate a locking axle. You pretty much have to put the automatic in manual mode 4 low, first gear, because it shifts so quickly into 2nd gear. Still not a good as a locking differential, but better than not having the brake lock differential active.

[@rayred74]

basically you want a Rubicon with he Mojave's shocks

[@ldmtag]

And reinforcements

[@SSMJ]

And better axle housings

[@Rkbrown88]

The axles housings are identical. The knuckles are a different material. That is all

[@SSMJ]

@@Rkbrown88 I said I want a Rubicon with the Mojave stocks, the same frame reinforcements, and actually good axles. The rear will likely be able to be upgraded to 35 spline once the aftermarket catches up, but that front? Nah, that'll never survive 35s or 37s and going fast, the first thing that they need is a real Dana 44 front. Not some 2.75 inch axle tube Dana 35/44 Hybrid. We're talking 3in or 3.25 in tubes with a minimum .313 wall.

[@CaptainRudy4021]

@@Rkbrown88 actually the Mojave's axles are about an inch wider than the Rubicon's.

[@chrismc.893]

I just want to thank you guys for all your videos during a time when our nation is under such duress. Just seeing the beautiful Colorado terrain and these amazing trucks is like taking a little trip to the mountains while being stuck in our homes. Thanks guys, you truly are a life (and mind) saver. God bless you all!!! 🇺🇸🔥👊🏼

[@denisleblanc4506]

I would go with the Mojave. I haven't driven either of them and don't know if you can make a solid axle vehicle handle well at high speed but if anybody can it would be Fox. In this video you could actually see how much smoother the Mojave was with the jounce stops and fox shock. Also, your comparison remains incomplete until you take them side by side in the desert at high speed. You guys take care of yourselves.

[@mechmat12345]

The Mojave should be smoother and more comfortable on road and at least 95% of the time off road when you're just cruising down the trail. It's a way better choice for almost everyone who's going to buy a Gladiator and not lift it.

[@mateopantoja4436]

@@mechmat12345 what if you did plan a lift? Why wouldn't you still get the Mojave?

[@antiantifans1914]

@@mateopantoja4436 after I think 2 inches you would need different shocks, so you would be getting rid of the expensive Fox shocks for that lift.

[@Txpo50]

@@antiantifans1914 they make a 4 inch lift that keeps the original shocks and allows for a 37 inch tire

[@haroldpatton01]

I like mine

[@Badkitty17]

I just bought a brand new 22 gladiator rubicon eco diesel , factory 3.5 lift , rough country bumper , half rack , running bourds .. rims , tires .. omg it’s gonna look great ! I can’t wait till it’s ready

[@EDHBlvd]

When do you take them both to the desert to compare their “desert running” abilities?

[@badatsomerhing]

I don’t think they do Edit: spelling

[@mikeyork6842]

10:55 "and that matters...when you don't know how to drive." Seriously, both models had issues and had to take a 2nd line, front locker had nothing to do with it.

[@donaldliverance2597]

If it had a Hemi it would outsell everything else on the market

[@miketess4272]

Donald Liverance An all aluminum, 345 would be nice!

[@johnclark6139]

oh absolutely, i’m seeing a lot of people rip out that MINIVAN engine and put in every LS and Hemi under and sun. still a cryin shame they took out the 4.0 from the running, it still had so much potential left in it, and are indestructible if you treat them right...

[@msterpeter1]

True it would be, but if you dont know Jeep cant put V8 in the jeeps or Gladiators because of safety issues ,they wouldnt pass crash tests. Last year the president of Jeep told on the news its not because they dont want to do it ,its because they cant.They know it would be a cash cow. After seeing the WAYALIFE videos and all their trips I can say its a great toy to own even if expensive

[@segwolfxviii2919]

Well your getting your hemi

[@johnclark6139]

Pierre P. yeah man, i can’t wait!

[@mattg8116]

No one: Andre: Moohavay

[@josiahwillis6691]

😂💀

[@ronsmith7880]

Thanks Roman n Andre.. Love watching the Jeeps..🏁 Stay healthy n safe guys.

[@kl-eu7iq]

Can’t wait to see the video where you run it in an off road high speed environment.

[@cavscout678]

Basically less of a desert runner, more of a desert fast walker.

[@Unburdened_Beauty]

AKA JUNK!!!

[@techs1smh13]

@@Unburdened_Beauty just empty every pocket.

[@jaybou007]

12:43 Roman: "Andre, are you ready?!? Andre: "F*** YEAH!!!!"

[@joshnasche5495]

I'm ready to get me a Jeep Gladiator 😁👍

[@traviskorda3262]

I'm changing the suspension regardless of what Jeep I get from the factory...although it would be nice to have multiple low range options (like w a twin transfer case) I'm going w the Rubicon all day and putting even BETTER high and low speed suspension under it!

[@BaracW]

Would love to see something like this for the Ford Superduty FX4 vs Tremor. What happened to the Tremor? I have seen very few driving videos of the Tremor from TFL.

[@steveyork8069]

Been wondering the same thing, that’s what got me to even check out this channel but it seems to be a forgotten truck of the fleet.My biggest disappointment with the Tremor is no long bed.

[@nicolettelowenthal8868]

Philly car show didn’t even have a Tremor in the building and I was there to buy it . Not anymore the POS Ford Rep gave me crap when I asked about one . More info on a tremor would be great . Thank you love the reviews 🙌

[@BigMikeRobinsonFJB]

BaracW the infamous death wobble the newer super duties suffer from ruined it for us apparently.

[@jabroni6199]

Yeah their Tremor coverage was very disappointing. One of the worst out of all the channels I watch.

[@mbiker345]

How does a desert runner have a solid front axel?

[@SSMJ]

Google King of The Hammers

[@philllsxga.7737]

And a weak v6?!?!??

[@devinbender8428]

Seth Johnson i did. Most of the winners the past few years have been IFS. (5/8 last few year). And ifs murders the SFs in the desert section

[@philtripe]

@@philllsxga.7737 yeah grow up guys...most the time these package deals are just a bunch of stickers on an otherwise stock vehicle

[@edgart49]

What are your options on the bent frames on these trucks?

[@RyRyWags]

I'm warming up to the look of the Gladiator! 😏🙂

[@adamant7146]

same here...didn't like them at first but starting to grow on me....the only good looking ones from the factory r the rubicons and now the mojave...those stock tires on a sport just look horrible

[@cowboycody8094]

Now that I think of it it's honestly looks like all 3 past Jeep pick UPS all piece together in then given a modern twist. It has the fenders from the over lander from the fifties it has the name and some of the looks of the Gladiator and then it's a quarter ton like the Comanche.

[@MotorBoating1413]

Didn’t like them till I seen them setting on 35s it better. I think 35s should be standard. Especially now to compete with the bronco coming with the 35s. Looking seriously into the gladiator for a family overland rig

[@mjsheets5936]

@@adamant7146 you nailed it.

[@ebx2323]

Same! Lol Been thinking of trading my tacoma in for the mojave.

[@NIAtoolkit]

I'll take Mojave shocks on a Rubicon

[@jmj267]

No boof of them.

[@philtripe]

that makes no sense seeing as how rock crawling takes little or no shocks while "prerunning" needs tons of preload and no rebound

[@scottmelunis9562]

the Mojave's front lockers auto engage when its put in 4L. You can see it when you open your Offroad+ app on the Uconnect.

[@rjejames28]

I think I would get Rubicon and run stock until warrenty is up then upgrade suspension small lift and put 35s on at that point. Thoughts ?

[@halvanhercke3321]

Yes

[@sukran36lm14]

Thank you for sharing.. been watching different videos for mojave and Rubicon . Which one to buy..

[@ChegOnoxGaming]

tommys suggestions "forward, just try it" yea just ram the rear axle into the rock more

[@mattg1544]

Definitely need a hemi option for all the wrangler and gladiator models

[@jjj4888]

IMO, the Mojave is trying to turn the Gladiator into something it isn't. A solid front axle, V6 truck just isn't a desert runner to me. The Rubicon is how the Gladiator is supposed to be, especially given equal pricing.

[@FRWD_FXLRST]

The 2nd gen Raptor isn't a desert runner?

[@vertstang123]

I was going back and forth between the two, I do mostly overlanding so they both would work. The dealer said Rubicons hold more value, so I went that way, a 2023. I'm pretty happy with my choice, but I;m sure I'd be just as happy with the Mojave.

[@hotwheels2851]

Have you seen the "Mall Rated" badge? I've seen one on a hopped up Rubicon. Great video.

[@kylefoster8187]

Roman I think you’re opinion is half finished. They need to put a HEMI in the Mojave and they need to put the EcoDiesel in the Rubicon! That would be the dream

[@alexmills1329]

what I heard is buy a sport s max tow and upgrade it to whatever extra you actually need

[@KevinSmith-wr1sy]

omg I am obsessed with that orange Mojave.

[@tommyd1963ify]

I added reservoir shocks and King bumps to a 2 door 2012 Rubicon and it did so good the wheelbase was the limiting factor. I spend a LOT of time on/around the Mojave trail and would rather have good suspension than front locker/lower range. Price comparable shocks and bumps... I would rather buy the Mojave and add a locker/swaybar disconnects. The factory disconnects don't live long anyways.

[@jeepinbanditrider]

2.72:1 is the standard low range ratio of the non Rubicon models. Been a pretty standard low range ratio on Jeeps since at least the 80s.

[@crumpb63]

Yep Jeep guys know this. Car guys not so much

[@TurboManiacal]

I think this video has me officially looking for a Rubicon

[@alienation-k1x]

This is why I laugh hysterically when Mike Sweers says the Tundra TRD Pro doesn't need a rear locker!

I wouldn't go with the Mojave over the Rubicon even though I live in the desert. My son wants a razor for that high speed stuff. I've raced dirt bikes and had lots of wreck and I'm well past that stuff. I enjoy cruising through the desert and seeing new sights. Racing through it you'll miss most of it just because you're having to concentrate on not hitting the next obstacle. I enjoy the sights and fun ride much more then a white knuckle crash test. So it's Rubicon all the way.

[@Aeroroc51]

Neither made it up the first line on the razor rocks. Regardless of the lockers, both successfully navigated the rocks with a different line. Not sure why the comment was made about the front locker when both high centered.

[@danhambrick6331]

So buy the Mohave and add a locker up front and some sway bar disconnects.....

[@WORLDFAMECHASEGANG]

Dan Hambrick or get the rubicon and switch the shocks

[@cowboycody8094]

@ Fast Lane Trucks you should take these jeeps to the dunes in Walden where the Mojave should be in its element to compare them too.

[@bigt4135]

Make a 2 door, manual, diesel please. Also a rubicon with the Mojave shocks would be awesome.

[@14wbigt]

This was unfair for the Mojave you need to test both 8n the desert setting now

[@bradhartliep879]

FLT doesn't know the definition of a Desert Run ..

[@vegasxventures]

Thank you guys for uploading these during the corona pandemic of 2020. My father and I have been beyond bored the last few weeks!

[@shawnblaylock5956]

I have a 2021 Mojave. And I agree, it should have a HEMI !!! But I still like it a lot. But if and when the 392 HEMI becomes available in the Mojave I will trade up. And mine is a manual but the next will be an auto.

[@nitroxide17]

Mojave has the better shocks and reinforced frame... that’s pretty cool

[@robertyoung8289]

They wouldn't reinforce the frame if it wasn't weak.

[@toddmayta7615]

@@robertyoung8289 they had to reinforce the ram 1500 frame for the TRX..... whole lot more energy when you start jumping.

[@justnicktv195]

I love when Andre shut the window on Roman at 13:28

[@wino9NINE]

try the Rubicon with sway disconnected in race

[@jonathanchan2536]

Really glad you all did this comparison. Was curious if the the Mojave could do it all or not!

[@tylerbennett6485]

I'd love to see this same test done with the Power Wagon vs Tremor (7.3)!

[@WW-wf8tu]

Good fun. :) Good test. Glad nobody got shot. lol And you're showing everyone it is ok to go out and live life even tho there is this COVID-19 situation. Would enjoy seeing a TRD Off-Road take the same lines as you took with these Gladiators. I am honestly surprised there was not a more even result over the rocks. Being high centered and or caught up should have the same outcome regardless of the front lockers. Push/pull work great going up something or through something as long as you are not high centered. I have had situations where a front locker would have been nice. But now that I have my TRD, never been an issue as CC figures it all out in a controlled manner.

[@willieguapo]

I realize this video is 3 years old. What you didn't try on that first test in the Mojave was the crawl cruise control which electronically makes the front axle a locker using the brakes electronics

[@zackc3274]

Love the video! CAN WE SEE MORE CONTENT WITH SPORT S OR SAHARA (MODELS WITHOUT LOCKERS)????? More people buy those. JT or JL

[@ldmtag]

Colorado rocks is a great test but I'd also like to see that bearded canadian guy's offroad review. Oh, and also a Talking Trucks (never knew trucks could talk😂) episode on how to add Mojave goodies to the Rubicon (or a front locker to a Mojave, but it seems like a more difficult task since you need to reprogram the electronics to show a front locker on the screen and make it possible to engage it using the Rubicon's switch)

[@pelewads]

Great vid. But in order to make this fair, you need to take both to the dunes.

[@S8BB]

Rubicon for sure in Wisconsin, if anything change the stock shocks for aftermarket and it’s just as good all around.

[@johnnie5442]

Would themRubicon be better at towing trailers? Occasionally that is

[@ryannewazada2102]

I'd go with the Rubicon through the the rough terrain and it's cheaper than the Mojave. I'd consider the Mojave if a better engine was installed.

[@mastercommanderdragonsir679]

“ Am I damaging anything ? “ If you have to ask, you most likely are.

[@maurosantos9850]

But are great versions... one more "dedicated" to climb rocks, other to "desert crossing at high speed". Great material. Just adding a wish from Brazil "espero que o inter perca".

[@joelguilalas9942]

Why need to disconnect the sway bar before going to razor rocks?

[@metallicablackend484]

Silly question... But best comfort in town and snow and ice here in Sweden? Rubicon or Mojave?

[@jason7231]

Let's please stop talking about how great a rubicon is. 60k, please.

[@speedRacer05]

Is the front an 'open diff'?

[@Ace_McDuck]

Yes, open diff.

[@tomk5047]

So basically the rubi with king shocks and you're golden.

[@adamharriger5193]

Fantastic video. Rubi all day- way easier and less expensive to add the suspension from the mojave to a rubi than to add the lockers, lower t case, and sway disco of the rubi on a mojave. Of course I own (and love) a Rubi- your mileage may vary.

[@Pierce0420]

All just depends on location. I'm in Florida trail running through wildlife areas and forests, Mojoave made most sense for me. Jeeps will always hold value, maybe will go with Rubicon in a couple years.

[@nicholasdunn3499]

Great video as always. I'd love to see a comparison between the Mojave and ZR2 gasser model.

[@rodneyws1977]

I feel like anyone buying a new Jeep in the Boulder area needs to check the underside before signing.

[@CarGuy5141]

I wish they’d offer these with a 5.7L and 6.4L option and keep the 3.6L as a base engine.

[@MDHenry4]

Thanks for the great sound editing and content.

[@philllsxga.7737]

A weak v6 with a steep axle in a dune runner?!? Just like GM with the engine choices! If I want a 6.2 in a basic trim Silverado, I should be able to get my truck my way!! A paying customer should be able to get a vehicle their way!!!

[@bloroxcleach]

what the hell is a "steep axle"?

[@drx1xym154]

do you mean weak v6 because of the low power or the fact that it will blow up before it hits 150K miles on the ODO? I mean the power looks OK. The engine should be fairly "light weight" vs a HEMI V8. The power is not likely good for towing much, though. Maybe it is low power, since the transmission wont handle much more?

[@philllsxga.7737]

@@drx1xym154 yeah it's a Chrysler product! Weak engine and transmission..

[@matthewkirkland6497]

90 percent of these will be mall crawlers 😂

[@orlandopublico1909]

What is the difference between Rubicon and Sahara? TYIA.

[@fatherdaddy1]

Take them to some sand dunes, and over some washboard dirt roads. How big is the difference, there?

[@kurtmuzio3077]

this...18 seconds of "fast" trail and puddles is nothing...go hammer down a dirt road for miles and the performance difference will be MUCH more noticeable.

[@chrisE815]

Rubicon is great on paper but if you're doing any serious off-roading and rock crawling, a 2 or 4 door Wrangler Rubicon is a far superior choice. Jeep- just give us the best of all worlds- Hemi Mojave with front lockers and (optional) 4:1 transfer case! Now that's a truck people would pay 70 grand for!

[@superior54]

What's better manual or automatic transmission?

[@josephwhiskeybeale]

A cartridge casing in the tire treads? Must have driven through Denver.

[@coolmountainlife]

Awesome video comparison! Is this Rampart area?

[@bryman868]

I can't believe I wasn't subscribed!! I am now thanks for the awesome videos guys 👍

[@commanderroddi7742]

I'd like the diesel on the Mojave, OR them to bring a 4Xe on the Gladiator. LOVEd my Rubicon 4Xe... But I need cargo room, and I was hoping this would be the year I'd be able to get one, I may just have to go for a 3.0 DIesel Rubicon if I can find one.

[@Elkslaya1]

Can front lockers be added to the Mojave?

[@Grodd70]

I get that not everybody needs a crawler transfer case or even front and real lockers BUT since they are the same price ...make mine a Rubicon

[@brushcountry6361]

Which is best for mud?

[@FRWD_FXLRST]

Rubicon with Evo/King lift and 37's or 40's.

[@KubanKevin]

I got the Rubicon and I was very surprised at how comfortable it rides. I thought it was going to be worse.

[@albertreet]

can you put the mojave suspension on JL rubicon?

[@86309]

"When I'm trying to social distance myself from Roman, this is a great place to be." Hilarious!

[@RonPoulin-p7j]

Stupid question how do you reattach the swabar

[@jackschwartz6721]

First test shows why a reg. cab jeep truck would be the best

[@gffriedman]

Now desert running face off: Mojave vs Tacoma TRD Pro

[@mierdevries9643]

vs ZR2 (non-bison gas power)

[@lacesout1199]

Zr2 beat both at high speed runs