That Most Wretched of Deaths--The Murder of Jesus of Nazareth

[@methylmike]

I just recently found you, and i must say, its been nothing short of a miraculous blessing as you rain down these absolute bombs of knowledge! Sweet! And ty!

[@sburns2421]

This series of narrative videos would make one excellent playlist.

[@dissidentfairy4264]

I feel that Jesus said, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me"? Not because he was delusional or expected a different outcome, but because so many hours of suffering had elapsed. Every minute must have felt like an eternity and he wanted the suffering to end. You did a wonderful job of depicting what he went through professor Tabor.

[@imperfect_subject]

God cannot die. A Prophet would never say "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?".

[@dissidentfairy4264]

Jesus isn't God. @@imperfect_subject

[@ivtch51]

Great story telling ability, James, just like you were for Jesus's hidden pre-ministry rendition. An apt listening for Good Friday. Thanks.

[@MDD-ut8wo]

I watch every bit of info you post. Tq 💕💕💕🙏🏻🙏🏻🌹🌹🌷🌷

[@waggyquack974]

Have the scholars finally decided on which day Christ was crucified? Was it the day of Passover (Luke, Matthew, Mark) or the day before Passover (John)?

[@dbarker7794]

This is good speculative storytelling. Thanks.

[@stylicho]

Exactly. Very speculative. Why even use the Bible if you're going to denounce everything in it in regards to what happened

[@hinikki8747]

I just think it's odd that a naked young man runs out of the garden in the gospel of Mark and no one ever talks about how suspicious that is. A huge raid in a public park in the middle of the night and a naked man runs away??

[@termination9353]

That was Mary Magdalene - This Tabor guy must be reading a gospel from another planet.

[@hinikki8747]

@@termination9353 You think the naked young man who ran away from the garden was Mary Magdalene? Like, she was a he the whole time?? Because the fact that the dude was naked makes me very confident that they were, ya know, correctly gendered. And I am not here to criticize this work. I am very happy these things are being told and discussed. And by someone far more educated then myself.

[@termination9353]

@@hinikki8747 Mary Mag's "sin" was that she cut off her hair short and dressed like a man (small breasts) so that she could go in with the men at Torah learning sessions. Jesus chose her to bare his heir, that "special part that would not be taken from her". Jesus had her meet him in the garden and jesus brought along witnesses that they could testify that Jesus was the one impregnating her. When she ran away seen from the back she appears as a man due to her short hair. JESUS HAD A SON VIA MARY MAG John 19:25-27 25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother[Mary], and his mother's sister[in-law], Mary the wife of Cleophas[mother Mary's brother], and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by[Mary Magdalene], whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy [grand]son! [in Mary Mag's womb/pregnant.] 27 Then saith he to the disciple[Mary Mag], Behold thy mother[in-law/Jesus' mother Mary]! And from that hour that disciple[Mary Mag] took her[Jesus' mother] unto his[Jesus'] own home [The home of Jesus and his now pregnant wife Mary Magdalene] in a midwifing arrangement.

[@neclark08]

...2 Millennia of 'Holy' Wars & Heretic Burnings to cover-up the likelihood that jesus was at least Bisexual - if not Gay...

[@neclark08]

...what is that Chapter/ Verse in Matt? I stumbled-on- but then lost my copied text...an' whadayaknow..."BibleHub" NEVER Heard of it.!😅

[@zyxmyk]

think how depressed Caiaphas would be if he knew over 21 centuries later all he was remembered for was getting the most famous man in human history executed. he'd definitely need anti-depressants.

[@borrowedtruths6955]

“No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.” (John 10:18)

[@neclark08]

...sorry, @BorrowedTruths... The corpse taken off the cross on Friday afternoon, and stashed in a donated tomb, DIDN'T 'take back life again' after 3 days & nights (72 hours) after being crucified late Friday morning. THAT time span would have the Dud Messiah shaking-off the dust no earlier than the late afternoon of the following Monday (Fri-->Sat = 1 day, Sat-->Sun = 2, & Sun--Mon = 3 days). The body was Snatched from its resting-place before dawn on Sunday -- so jesus' Rock Nap was 'just HALF of the span promised'. In their haste to act before people were stirring, the Tomb Robbers even left the door wide-open...

[@dorianphilotheates3769]

Make no mistake: the capture of Jesus at Gethsemame was no quiet arrest - it was a full out battle.

[@davidjanbaz7728]

LOL 😆

[@jesseterpstra5472]

Just out of curiosity, what do you think about John 18:31 "31Pilate said to them, “Take him yourselves and judge him according to your law.” The Jews replied, “We are not permitted to put anyone to death.” I found this interesting because elsewhere, even in John, they were going to or actually did stone people to death according to the law. As you said, it was written to maximize the culpability of the Jews but surely John would have known that they stoned people? I don't have access to or understanding of the Greek original, could verse 31 be a translation issue?

[@jesseterpstra5472]

Moreover, why did they have to go to the lengths of getting him executed for sedition against Rome when they could have just stoned him for blasphemy?

[@michaelhosack6718]

@@jesseterpstra5472 I've heard that since the Jews were under Roman law, the Romans only permitted Roman authorities to implement capital punishment.

[@mooshei8165]

I still wonder, who was that person there to record that? John?😂😂😂

[@johnjoyce1073]

The people is why they couldn't illegally stone him. The Jews took absolute responsibility from Rome and to this day are and will continue to be trodden down and punished... Or say Blessed is he who comes in the name...

[@edwardmiessner6502]

@@jesseterpstra5472 It's very sus. Either Pilate demanded they capture him and hand him over, or he was found "guilty" of sex crimes (Lev. 18:22, 20:13) based on the police and military forces attempt to seize his young companion and only got the young man's linen covering, likely a towel or a strip barely covering his modesty, and used it as evidence. Numbers 25:1-4 shows what was an appropriate penalty for sex crimes in ancient Israel even though the rabbis will tell you those sorts of transgressors were stoned to death and then hung on a tree or impaled on a stake. And Roman crucifixion fit the bill because the _sediculum_ was a shaming device as well as a seat - it penetrated the crucified. (Seneca Minor, Moral Epistles 101.10-14; Pozzuoli Graffito & Vivat Crux Graffito)

[@PaulDormody]

Jesus represents 1 among several hundred of those crucified by Romans at the time. His trial would have been no more than a formality, it's result was unsurprising.

[@visaman]

Except that there was a great earthquake and the Sun was blotted out, and the Temple veil was destroyed. Luke 23:45

[@Warcrimeenthusiast]

A cohort of the Roman Legions was 80 men there abouts. How many temple police where there ? I bet it doesn't add up to 600

[@mikev4621]

It is possible to nail through the wrist if the nail goes carefully between the humerus and ulna - experts would have known how to avoid blood veessels

[@Scorned405]

Why would they not want them to bleed out?? The whole point unfortunately was to kill them. If they bleed out they will die sooner

[@edwardmiessner6502]

@@Scorned405 True, but it was supposed to be a slow, lingering death with as much pain and shame as possible.

[@Scorned405]

@@edwardmiessner6502 Human beings are very nice to each other

[@juser5690]

Your math is off. from 6th to 9th hour is three hours. 9am to 3pm is 6 hours plus 6th hour is 6 hours from sunrise so that would be at noon. there are many things you claim in these videos which I am sure you diligently researched very thoroughly no doubt but many points are wrong. I am sure a off-hand comment in YT won't convince you but you are in error. “There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what is not true; the other is to refuse to accept what is true.” - Soren Kierkegaard

[@edwardmiessner6502]

The Synoptics say he was crucified at the 3rd hour, which is 9am.

[@evropej]

Also, the psalms say that he was in prison interrogated for a long time, maybe even months. All the rules would want to torture him and get every answer out of him. He was a threat to all of them, romans, herod and temple. Read psalms 22 and 69, they gave me spoiled food to drink, blinded, broken bones from the torture. My joints feel like they are pulled from torture machines. What they told is us is the testimony of the killers. Would you believe them now?

[@mmmail1969]

The Title of this video is wrong. JC was not "murdered"....he was "executed"!

[@eugenio1542]

Assassination ?😮

[@tarjan68]

An execution can also be called a murder if it’s clearly a perversion of justice.

[@mmmail1969]

@@tarjan68 No, murder is an illegal act. Execution may indeed be seen as unjust, but if carried out by the state it is not murder. The Jews themselves handed Jesus over to the Romans, hence acknowledging their unique state authority to execute.

[@tarjan68]

@@mmmail1969 Technically you may be right, but there was so much wrong with the ‘trial’ of Jesus - Authorities broke their own laws - that I would call it a murder. Just like the execution of Joan of Arc: her whole trial was a sham.

[@mintoo2cool]

murder is illegal. execution is legal. the title is correct

[@leecarney4373]

Came to this video specifically for this comment after seeing something very interesting on the Amazon Prime show ‘Good Omens’ There is a scene of Jesus being nailed to the Cross and they must have done their Tabor research as the nails go in the forearms not the palms of the hand

[@wataboutya9310]

I never really imagined Jesus apostles as being armed. Just who all did carry swords in those times.

[@slik00silk84]

Of course they were armed. They were revolutionaries.

[@GazGuitarz]

Just before his arrest and death Jesus told his disciples to sell their clothes and use the money to buy themselves swords (see Luke 22, verses 35 - 38) As they were an anti-violent group my take on this is that Jesus wanted to be sure that Rome would crucify him. It's one thing to have sedition, but quite another to have an armed sedition! The two swords that the apostles had (Peter had one) would have been enough to receive the death sentence, especially as Peter actually attacked a servant of the High Priest. Jesus would have been seen by the Romans as the leader of a violent group planning sedition.

[@GazGuitarz]

@@slik00silk84 They had two swords. Peter had one but we don't know who had the other. There were 12 apostles plus the women and other followers of Christ. Probably a considerable group of people, yet they only had two swords amongst them! Just before his arrest and death Jesus told his disciples to sell their clothes and use the money to buy themselves swords (see Luke 22, verses 35 - 38). So they (the disciples) said, "Lord, look, here are two swords." And He said to them, "It is enough" (Luke 22:35 - 38, NKJV). They were not violent revolutionaries at all as Christ's teachings do not support or promote violence! "He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword" and "Love your enemies" Jesus immediately stopped Peter after he lashed out and cut off the servant of the High Priest's ear. It is my belief that Jesus told the apostles to bear some arms at that particular time, as he knew he would be arrested by the Jews and framed for sedition. However, that in itself was not enough to ensure the death penalty. But if weapons were involved, the Romans would most surely have executed him as the popular leader of an armed rabble accused of sedition by their puppet High Priest in the Temple. Therefore the two swords ensured Christ's crucifixion by the Romans for armed sedition.

[@whitemountainapache3297]

@@GazGuitarz You been smoking crack, Fool. what you said makes no sense whatsoever.

[@slik00silk84]

LOL Don't try to get a job as a defense lawyer......you suck! As you have shown, Jesus was absolutely guilty of sedition, and so merited execution by Roman standards of justice. Jesus was a poor deluded fool that thought his god would save him, and only truly realized his error when he cried out, "My god, my god, why hast thou forsaken me?"....... AND DIED !

[@andrewdarnley4608]

Wasn't Jesus and Pilate supposed to be alone in the room ? And how did they get him off the cross as it was forbidden under Roman laws.

[@visaman]

Joseph of Arimathea paid off the authorities.

[@andrewdarnley4608]

@@visaman Was that attested to by any author outside the Bible ?

[@visaman]

@@andrewdarnley4608 I'm talking in universe.

[@vickyleather1147]

Thank you.

[@DavidBWilliams-td9vm]

Which is the biggest suffering of Jesus Christ, being nailed to the cross or seeing how his creation has turned their backs on him destroyed every thing he has given us

[@soniachoa1603]

From a distance, Mary ("mother of James and Joseph"), Mary Magdalene, AND Mary ("mother of Jesus") are mentioned as 3 SEPARATE Marys, though not all the 3 are mentioned by all evangelists in the same breath. James and his siblings may hav grown up in the same house as Jesus, as a kind of blended family. The child Jesus was precocious and needed to b "socialized" as he grew up to protect his secret identity as the son of God who has come as the savior of mankind. It is obvious the whole town was led to think of this "blended" family as one, and this was mentioned in mark's gospel when Jesus visited it.

[@johnmichaelson9173]

Born from a virgin, had his own personal star blazing above the place of his birth. And then three kings bearing expensive gifts visited the newly born messianic child. And Jesus had a secret identity?

[@markwrede8878]

While Rome crucified many, the gospel narrative is obvious fiction.

[@3r2w1c]

Seems Jesus would have known Psalm 22 long before his crucifixion. Could John have been deceived, and so deceived Jesus by design into fulfilling David's dramatic Revelation of the fulfillment of the Passover by Yashuas Ha Massiach. Sages understood the 6 day 6000 year plan. Even the little research I've been able to do shows 5th day as grace. Man's soul wasn't to be complete until the fullness of the gentiles. Till all is sifted out. Did he feel forsaken? How many through history have? Was it worth it? Time will tell. Time to tell! Eternal weight of glory! That's more than a lot of glory.

[@ivanj.conway9919]

2:09 - You know, plain, common sense can be used when trying to understand things, sometimes. I've always, thought how fickle the Jewish people must be to one day be welcoming and praising Jesus to no end on his arrival in Jerusalem on a donkey, as traditional, Christianity claims to only a day or so later, in mass, crying out for his death. Something about that has never made sense to me.

[@stylicho]

The Jews weren't a monolith. Some were apparently followers of Jesus and some couldn't stand Jesus, and I'm sure there were a bunch in the middle who probably didn't care too much

[@dj-kq4fz]

There's got to be a story written in the positions of the discs on the ossuary. Anybody have more info on that?

[@jeroenlouwerse7454]

Pontius Pilate being stubborn, having contempt for his Jewish subjects and ignoring legal procedures are perfectly consistent with him going against the verdict of the Sanhedrin. The fact that some non-christian Jewish writer didn't like him, doesn't mean he was comically evil and simply trying to execute as many people as possible

[@mireklalas]

If the New Testament bears any credibility--and even James Tabor believes that it does by quoting it abundantly--the Gospels clearly state that Jesus did not hope for God to interfere in his crucifixion. On many occasions, Jesus explains that he must die to be raised from the dead. What's the point of relying on New Testament accounts while rejecting its main message? Resurrection from the dead is Christ's and Christianity's central message, not a miraculous last-minute intervention on the cross.

[@elmonixon4392]

You say, " up until the last minutes Jesus believed that" God would intervene etc. What Jesus are you talking about? The only Jesus I read about in these four gospels clearly said he'd be killed.... And raised from the dead on the third day. Nowhere di I read or ever get the impression that Jesus believed God would intervene and save him from death.

[@termination9353]

NOT WRETCHED AT ALL Jesus was announced as king of Israel in that choice between Jesus and Barabbas. Quickly said, Pilot dressed Jesus up as King, Pilot presented Jesus to the Sanhedrin and high priest among the crowd as "their King". Told the crowd to choose to crucify "their King" or Barabbas. The Saducees and High Priest chose "their king" Jesus to be crucified and instigated the Jewish crowd to choose "their King" to be crucified..... and so the Priesthood anointed Jesus as their king in order for him to be executed. And Pilat published this fact above Jesus head at a time when Jerusalem was most crowded of Jews from all over the realm. What this accomplished was to legalize according to Torah law Jesus' amended covenant and make irrelevant all burdensome Talmudic rules. I think Jesus and Pilat planned it together. Neet trick on the Sanhedrin huh.

[@termination9353]

@Mike JJJ Ever hear of the Parable of the Sower of the Field?

[@piedpiper6425]

"Why have you forsaken me"? Gives a bit of an impression that his death wasn't part of his plan, or the plan he thought God had for him. Not saying it correct, but that is certainly an impression one can take away..

[@flipflopski2951]

600 Roman soldiers show up to arrest Jesus... right...

[@edwardmiessner6502]

Which would be necessary if he actually did "cleanse" the Temple. The Temple precinct was about 35 acres in area, meaning to pull that off would require starting an insurrection. And one is mentioned in Mark 15:7 as being recent, which is not recorded anywhere in secular history. That would mean Jesus and Barabbas would have to be one and the same, or at the least fighting side by side!

[@flipflopski2951]

@@edwardmiessner6502 Making up your own stories is fun... that's why the bible is what it is today. From overturning a few tables to a small war is how this fiction expands itself... heh...

[@RicardoValdes-r6w]

Our Lord my Lord was executed by the Roman’s but clearly with the full endorsement by the Jews..

[@jennifferjude3156]

What happened to the nails they found in the ossuary?

[@lunarlight3131]

haven't heard of this. any video i can see on here about it? sounds interesting

[@drdarrylschroeder5691]

@@lunarlight3131 Hello - Buried deep down with other paraphernalia in Glastonbury. Blessings - RevDrD/Ministry

[@mikev4621]

they normally re-used them because iron was a precious commodity .But the bent nail wouldn't come out, so they left it in his heel for us to see 2000 years later

[@jennifferjude3156]

@@mikev4621 No I’m talking about the two nails found in the ossuary that belonged to the guy who condemned Jesus. I saw it in one of the more obscure documentaries, but it was in the Caiaphas ossuary and inventoried and then they disappeared. Simca Jacobovici brings it up in one of his docu. And he was talking about there being nails in the caiaphas ossuary that one of them was in fact logged into record be the other may still be in the tomb but supposedly dna testing was supposed to have been done but nobody ever brought it up again. I’m just curious. If you killed the messiah would you keep a trophy?

[@mikev4621]

@@jennifferjude3156 I saw that docco too.I think the Israeli authorities took possession of them . I cant imagine Pilate letting Caiaphas /Annas have Jesus' nails , but maybe.

[@charlissmurph2129]

It was ad 33, if you look at books before 1455, all say Harod died in 01, not 04.

[@timmoleft7147]

Mr Tabor's suggestion here that Jesus expected Jehovah the Father to save him doesn't tally up with the fact that Jesus told Peter in Mark chapter 8 that he (Jesus) fully expected to die and remain dead for three full days before Jehovah resurrected him. Jesus absolutely knew that he had to die.

[@osr4152]

​@Mike JJJ yes. That is most likely something Christian's would have attributed to Jesus after his death to show how it was his plan all along.

[@Nexus-jg7ev]

I wouldn't call that a fact. The Jesus of history probably didn't say much of the things that the Jesus of the gospels says. I doubt that Jesus rose again in his physical body but the disciples probably had visions of him in some sort of a spiritual body. Check 2 Corinthians 5. After all, Jesus' actual body was found...

[@osr4152]

@Mike JJJ I think there is a high probability that he existed. There are too many details about his life that are uncomfortable for Christians for it all to have been made up. I think the error is either to say either the sources in the bible are all true or all fiction.

[@carlhorton4478]

@@Nexus-jg7ev I presume you mean the Talpiot Tomb, which has more going against it than for it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hGnOmmN5dt2WbK8

[@carlhorton4478]

@Mike JJJ Tabor has no issue using the words from the same books whenever it suits his theories.

[@jperez7893]

the few times Jesus spoke on the cross invoking the psalms, the people underneath would be expected to finish the psalms in reply. it's funny how if you read the full psalms to reply, it serves as a rebuttal or a comeback if you will with what's happening. for example, when he said "Eli, Eli lama..." he was quoting psalms 22 and when when he said, "father, into your hands..." he was quoting psalms 31:5

[@pragmaticcrystal]

💛💯

[@Fos3tex]

OK, I have to pause for a moment to explain to people who speak the English language of how the apostrophe works! When a noun ends with an "S", you add the apostrophe at the end and nothing else! Therefore, it's not Jesus's....it's Jesus'. As in Jesus' life!! I'm embarrassed that English speaking people still don't get this!!!!!

[@visaman]

Jesuses'sss

[@cathyharrop3348]

How is the execution of Jesus a murder. Wasn't he trying to do, knowingly, exactly the crime the Romans executed him for?

[@spankflaps1365]

I think because they were “executions” by a foreign force (the Romans), it could be perceived as murder, especially if the “crimes” were trivial. Overall the Romans massacred a lot of Jews for petty issues, so this is more like war crimes (which are murder).

[@Isaac5123]

Agreed. If this did not happen then the Christian Church rwould not have come to being

[@gamuhnerdu4759]

Because the laws of empires are never unjust right?

[@neclark08]

...an execution for an established crime can devolve into Murder @CathyHanop, whenever the suspect/accused is tortured, or the "trial" & "sentencing" Grossly Violate existing legal standards.

[@roberthawes3093]

Given the brutality of this form of execution, and the fact that Jesus did not start an uprising or even challenge Rome, the term seems appropriate. He was killed for something he hadn't done.

[@joeycarter8846]

Good story-telling; however, it's too bad Prof Tabor discounted all the accounts of Pilate placing the blame on the Jews, instead of trying to understand it. If Pilate held the Jews in such disdain, for example, he may have been using Jesus as a pawn in order to thumb his nose at the Sanhedrin.

[@visaman]

This is my thinking too. It seems that way in Jesus Christ Superstar at least.

[@robertjimenez5984]

Why would anyone take the gospel of John seriously? A story written close or in the second century from a guy that was not even born in the days of this Jesus. Jesus was sentenced to death by the Rome empire not for selling roses in the street. Plus why wasn’t they all crucified? Petter even cuts a Roman soldier ear off. This alone will have Petter crucified. But not in this story🤔

[@mioszpawlikowski4475]

Agreed. So much scrolling to find someone who can ask good questions. Cheers brother.

[@icantcook9998]

He's not dead

[@LuisSuarez14690]

70 everywhere. Pure astrology, Homer Dionysus etc

[@whig01]

Was Barabbas the son of Jesus?

[@shihabshihabi375]

(And they have thereof no knowledge. They follow not except assumption, and indeed, assumption avails not against the truth at all.) Refer to Matthew 4:6-7.

[@marlin6023]

Yallah Nimshi. Ya'allah. The Crucifixion of Jesus [Yeshua] not what you think. David Wood & AP.

[@byrontolver6711]

Did not the Jews yell crucify him, crucify him! To Pontus Pilate?? Did not Pontus Pilate call Jesus a just man and innocent?? Did not Pontus Pilate state the blood is not on my hands, I am clean?? Did not the Jews tell the blood be on our hands and our children’s??

[@petercarroll5874]

John 18:3 "So Judas came to the grove, guiding a detachment of soldiers and some officials from the chief priests and Pharisees. They were carrying torches, lanterns and weapons". (NIV) Where does the narrator get, "the leading priests" and a "cohort of Roman soldiers"? 16 seconds and it sounds like the narrator did his bible study in the pub. 600 men? Really? A Roman operation? Pontius Pilate didn't, "authorize the operation". He knew nothing about Jesus' arrest until the next morning! John 18:28.

[@dr.monoarhossain6586]

Ilah, ilah ,why you leave me!

[@uniteinlove]

Thank you, dear James, for searching for truth. I highly recommend that you read Christ’s Letters from Christ’s Way, in particular Letter 3 describing these events. They’re free online in various places.

[@davidcloyd1296]

The fact that just a little bit of research into Jewish rabbinic understanding of Jesus’s final quote from Psalms wasn’t done by this guy really exposes him. Also, it’s the New Testament writers that describe the savagery and desire to defile in Pilate, not outside sources.. so to say the New Testament writers were attempting to hide Pilates savagery is intentionally wrong… remember, they documented Jesus Himself mentioning it in the gospels.

[@edwardmiessner6502]

Which makes the gospels' account of Pilate's behavior during his trial of Jesus even more inexplicable!

[@davidcloyd1296]

@@edwardmiessner6502 just the opposite. If Pilate has such strong contempt for the Jews then why would he so dutifully obey their request to crucify someone who blasphemed their god? He’d be apprehensive to obey the Jews and comply with their request in order to prevent them from being defiled.

[@peterhook2258]

This is too brilliant for words. I'm thinking of a new term labeled "Academic Christianity", the budding of a new faith ..no copyright.

[@neclark08]

..."Fact-Based Rationality" is NOT a 'New Faith', @PeterHook...it's the Antidote to ancient, Delusional religiosity...

[@Mr_Fairdale]

I had no idea

[@elsjemassyn8921]

Go and read Leviticus, Numeri, Deuteronomium and see how cruel Jewish law and Levite priests were. Stoning, cursing, killing. The Romans were just as cruel as the Israelites. Jesus was murdered and then the blame was placed on God for sacrificing His son where God NEVER put sacrificial laws into place. Matthew 12:7 Hosea 6:6+7 The Romans (Catholic Church) had to spin a story and make Jesus death count. Shameful that no-one has investigated and search for the truth. Jesus overthrew the sacrificial system by overturning the tables in the temple. He proved that His Father never established the sacrificial system. Jeremiah 7:22-23 Isaiah 1: 11-31

[@DrCorvid]

The family disagrees but whatever...

[@evropej]

The kingdom of god did come when Jesus was crucified, the kingdom of their god they made. And this kingdom will continue until the complete destruction of the world. Rejoice now! Time shall not be again! When the true God finds out what you have done to my beloved Son, parable of the vineyard, I will come destroy that universe! Revelation began when he was crucified and it will end with the end of this world! Enjoy the gods you have created, enjoy your kingdom of your god, it is upon you now!

[@chesterdonnelly1212]

Why are you so loose with the truth? You could argue that Jesus was wrongfully executed but there is no argument that he was murdered. This is just wrong.

[@Lili-Benovent]

Think of how many people would be converted to Christianity if your God put in an appearance and proved beyond doubt that he existed. A trick he could perform to that end would be if he appeared on every television channel and computer screen throughout the world for one hour, regardless of whether the device was plugged into a power source or not, in fact everybody could turn their TV off and he would still be there explaining his policies and telling people all over the world how they should live their lives. Once the show was over nobody could complain that they had not been told and there would be no excuses for wavering, many people on KZbin claim to have visited Jesus and if they are to be taken at their word then there is no reason why God should not appear to everyone and put the story beyond doubt. Your God is supposed to be omnipotent and can do anything so this miracle surely could not be beyond him, if he really desires people to live by his beliefs and end up in Heaven he could do this and then there would be no reason for him to hand his creations (who he says he loves) over to Satan and the torture pit. And this brings up another question, If his subjects have been unfaithful to him and haven`t led pure and chaste lives why doesn’t he just kill them and then they could be in the same state as they were before they were born, why have them perpetually punished? Surely being burned and tortured forever is a little harsh when he professes to love them, that love seems very shallow. No doubt the purveyors of religion will find some words in the bible which preclude God from appearing to us or showing some understanding and mercy, maybe the invisible guy in the sky isn't really there and mankind has been deluding itself for Centuries. What a basic premise this so called God has been operating under, "Devote yourself to me or I'll throw you into the fire"

[@slik00silk84]

17:49 "From the sixth to the ninth hour" How is that 6 hours?

[@jperez7893]

the jews divided the day into twelve hours starting from sunrise to sunset. the 3rd hour is 9 o'clock or when the trumpet for the first tamid, morning sheep offering, is announced at the trumpeting place. the 6th hour is noon. the 9th is 3 o'clock or the 2nd tamid, the afternoon sheep offering, and the 12th hour at sunset. he was only alive on the cross from 12 noon to 3pm

[@slik00silk84]

@@jperez7893 MARK 15:25 And it was the third hour and they crucified him MARK 15:33 From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land. At noon, darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon. At noon, darkness fell across the whole land until three o’clock. And when the sixth hour had come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour. Mark 15:25 “And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” From the third hour to the sixth, it is 9 hours ! YOU AND TABOR HAVE IT WRONG !!!

[@jperez7893]

@@slik00silk84 so according to this account, Jesus was crucified at 9am. This would have been easily determined because the trumpet blast is heard all over Jerusalem for the first tamid. The sky went dark starting at noon and lasted until 3 pm. Two possibilities are a dust storm or a spring rainstorm. By 3pm, the trumpet for the second tamid offering will have been sounded. It is also the signal for the slaughter of The Passover lamb, but if it is overcast, they will wait until it is clear or at twilight. So read again and recalculate. That’s just the way the jews rolled back then

[@dadedowuh]

Are you talking from experience? Wink wink.. I truly hope that as some litterateur suggest that they were not really hurt and harmed as like actors in a Hollywood movie.

[@PlampinUK]

I am interested in why you say his death happened on a Thursday rather than a Friday?

[@termination9353]

Tabor seems to be reading a gospel from another planet.

[@johnmichaelson9173]

The day of the Passover is a Sabbath whatever day it fell on. It was a Friday that year so there were two Sabbath's Friday & Saturday. So the last supper was on a Wednesday & Jesus was Crucified on Thursday before the Sabbath on Friday.

[@termination9353]

@@johnmichaelson9173 No there was not two Sabbaths because it was a High Sabbath which means a High Holy day falls on the same day as the Sabbath day. Sabbath doesn't start till Friday sundown so that was also when Passover started. The Last Supper was Thursday. Crucified Friday.

[@johnmichaelson9173]

@@termination9353 I was replying to the man who asked about Dr Tabor saying the Thursday. I'm not interested in your wacky beliefs, please don't reply to comments that aren't for you?

[@termination9353]

@@johnmichaelson9173 Open forum open comment thread.

[@brisadelcastillo2840]

"The Crucifix Fish Testifies" Look it up. God made a perpetual memorial of the crucifixion on day five of creation.

[@AntzLoks1314]

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[@suichinggo8236]

You MAYBE partly right in some of your THEORIES. BUT **FACT** IS: the most hated "Man" of most of the Jews today, which should have relegated Him into oblivion, and His followers persecuted, and fed to lions by the Romans which should have effectively stop the spread of Christianity, had been steadily gaining followers, and is the most well-known personality of today, almost 2,000 years after He existed; while His people, the Jews were almost wipe out by antisemitism. But thanks to the faithful God whose covenant with them is everlasting, and He fulfilled His promise to their forefathers, more than 2,000 years ago, BEFORE they were scattered, that they will be returned to their homeland, and they did in1948. Proving that Jesus is not an ordinary man, for He is THE JEW, the offspring of Isaac, and Jacob/Israel declared by God, **through whom ALL NATIONS on earth will be blessed**, GENESIS 26:4, 28:14 And true to his character the **very crafty** one who deceived and convinced Adam and Eve to not heed God, had also made his move, for God also declared that ""the offspring" will NOT come from Ishmael, GENESIS 17:18-21, 21-12 and lo, when it was apparent that God's promise had came to pass, for by the far and wide reach of the Roman empire (who converted to Christianity **AFTER** more than 200 years of persecuting the Christians), people from many nations were beginning to hear the gospel and were reconciled to God through THE JEW, Jesus Christ, Islam of Allah came, teaching that it's now by following Muhammad, an Ismaelite??? that people will be blessed, overshadowing THE JEW, and promoting instead an Ismaelite for people to follow.

[@slik00silk84]

THE SPEAR IN THE SIDE was shit invented in JOHN. Why do none of the other....earlier gospels....mention this seemingly important detail, particularly LUKE written by a physician? I suggest this was added in John to quiet those claiming Jesus was not dead when taken down, a reasonable doubt since many crucifixion victims lasted days before dying, unlike Jesus who lasted only a quarter of a day at most.

[@bonifacioaba2639]

The significance of the different details in the gospel of Saints John, Luke, Mathew and Mark only proved that it is not really a copy paste from their respective account.

[@slik00silk84]

@@bonifacioaba2639 No, in the case of the first three, it only proves that MATTHEW and LUKE added to Mark for their own reasons. John was written much later and was based on other traditions which were invented later.

[@sarahjones79]

It was in fact cruel torture and murder

[@Lili-Benovent]

2000 years ago in Northern Africa and the Middle East crucifixion was a common method of execution and to say that it was unusual would be wrong, read accounts by the historian Gustave Flaubert. When wars were concluded the prisoners from the vanquished were crucified by the hundreds, major roadways were lined for miles with crosses. This was an effective way way of demonstrating that crimes against the State would not be tolerated and if the stories about Jesus bear any credence he was just one of many crucified for his crimes, his crime was probably that of leading an insurrection against the State. Like many modern day Gurus he gained a following and as that following grew it became political, the rulers of the time sensing a threat to the establishment decided to make an example of him just as they do to the leaders of uprisings today. there was nothing particularly outstanding about his case but as time goes by and legends are born the stories about him become more and more unrealistic, E.G. walking on water, raising the dead etc. etc. but people are so desperate to find some meaning in their lives that they will believe any story as long as it is repeated over and over, it's time to forget the stories and lies of the past and concentrate on enjoying your life here at this time of history. THE WHOLE BIBLE IS A LOAD OF NONSENSE.

[@elmonixon4392]

Tabor you thoroughly messed up this version of things. I won't even attempt to point out the many, many mistaken views you present here. Nowhere dies it say the "cohort", the band of men led by Judas were Roman. On the contrary in every account we are told they were from " the scribes, priests" etc.

[@termination9353]

NOT WRETCHED AT ALL Jesus was announced as king of Israel in that choice between Jesus and Barabbas. Quickly said, Pilot dressed Jesus up as King, Pilot presented Jesus to the Sanhedrin and high priest among the crowd as "their King". Told the crowd to choose to crucify "their King" or Barabbas. The Saducees and High Priest chose "their king" Jesus to be crucified and instigated the Jewish crowd to choose "their King" to be crucified..... and so the Priesthood anointed Jesus as their king in order for him to be executed. And Pilat published this fact above Jesus head at a time when Jerusalem was most crowded of Jews from all over the realm. What this accomplished was to legalize according to Torah law Jesus' amended covenant and make irrelevant all burdensome Talmudic rules. I think Jesus and Pilat planned it together. Neet trick on the Sanhedrin huh.

[@mikev4621]

yes and I can hardly believe that 600 romans would have allow the armed disciples to just slip away through the undergrowth

[@termination9353]

@@mikev4621 tabor must be reading a gospel from another planet.

[@oscarballard7911]

I would suggest the Yahoshua, was fortunate enough to have bleed to death do the savagery of the scourging.

[@slik00silk84]

A WOMAN WASGUARDING THE GATE ??????

[@mithrasrevisited4873]

this story makes no sense. Jews were nothing. He would not have had a trial they would have just stoned him to death and no even bury him. The supernatural part was added on with fan fiction

[@davidjanbaz7728]

LOL 😆

[@neclark08]

...you're WRONG, @TimmoLeft - ...Juh-HEEZ-Zuss DIDN'T 'remain dead for a Full Three Days'; his time-of-death was reported as late-afternoon (~6pm) on Friday -- so the full 72-hour span Should have him 'reviving' at the SAME HOUR on the following Sunday. Instead, his corpse "went missing" some time before DAWN, Sunday -- a Half-Day (10- to 12 hours) AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. Body-Snatchers CAN'T operate anonymously during daylight -- so they collect corpses in PRE-dawn hours... Repeat after me: Jesus Bar Josef was Just Another DUD Messiah..

[@visaman]

He didn't say 3 full days, He said, "On the 3rd day."

[@neclark08]

...>>BLAAAP!

[@Fos3tex]

When Jesus responded "I Am", he was not just admitting to being the King and the Son of God. He was saying "I Am", which is also the NAME of God (as told to Moses), therefore he was also saying "I AM God!". I Am the resurrection and the life!

[@mintoo2cool]

interpretation. everyone is entitled to their own. your’s is a theological one. prof’s is a purely contextual one.

[@slik00silk84]

LOL and none of them saw Jesus sitting at the right of power......so so much for Jesus' prophcy !!!!!!

[@termination9353]

Tabor seems to be reading a gospel from another planet.

[@piedpiper6425]

You seem to be a bot.

[@termination9353]

@@piedpiper6425 why, did I fail your Turing test?

[@piedpiper6425]

@@termination9353 The way you copy/pasted this same thing in over 20 comments.

[@albionicamerican8806]

The Romans could have done a lot worse things to Jesus, like sexually assaulting him, depriving him of food and water until he died from dehydration, burning him with hot metal or boiling water, pulling out his teeth, etc. His suffering was nowhere near the extraordinary.

[@stephenmcqually2983]

Yeah just fluffy crucifixion, those soft Romans

[@fas1840]

@@stephenmcqually2983 lol

[@edwardmiessner6502]

@@stephenmcqually2983 According to Christianity, nailed on a tropaeum (simple 2-beam cross) when the Romans engineered crucifixion so that it would be as painful and shameful as can be, requiring a 3-dimensional _crux_ modelled after Priapus.

[@lreadlResurrected]

Another episode of “For the Bible Tells Me So”?

[@Nexus-jg7ev]

I think that this was as historically accurate as possible

[@lreadlResurrected]

@@Nexus-jg7ev Sure. But only if you give historical credence to the stories of the Bible which is a compendium of theological morality tales woven around an era. It’s not history and cannot be taken as such. The crucifixion is a story element nothing more. People believe all sorts of weird things.

[@drdarrylschroeder5691]

Hello - GOD never intended for His first Son to be crucified or die for our sins. He in fact did not. He had healed the son of Pilate and was taken down. He lived to be 80. Blessings - RevDrD/Ministry

[@chiararomano1818]

120 and he’s buried in Srinagar.

[@drdarrylschroeder5691]

@@chiararomano1818 Hello - The one source said 100 and the other 80. In The Winds of Truth Great Writings of the Truths of GOD it is reported that upon the actual Ascension, the body was transmogrified upon arising, so that no actual burial place would in fact exist. Thank you for the comment. Blessings - RevDrD/Ministry

[@termination9353]

NOT WRETCHED AT ALL Jesus was announced as king of Israel in that choice between Jesus and Barabbas. Quickly said, Pilot dressed Jesus up as King, Pilot presented Jesus to the Sanhedrin and high priest among the crowd as "their King". Told the crowd to choose to crucify "their King" or Barabbas. The Saducees and High Priest chose "their king" Jesus to be crucified and instigated the Jewish crowd to choose "their King" to be crucified..... and so the Priesthood anointed Jesus as their king in order for him to be executed. And Pilat published this fact above Jesus head at a time when Jerusalem was most crowded of Jews from all over the realm. What this accomplished was to legalize according to Torah law Jesus' amended covenant and make irrelevant all burdensome Talmudic rules. I think Jesus and Pilat planned it together. Neet trick on the Sanhedrin huh.

[@davidjanbaz7728]

@@drdarrylschroeder5691 LOL 😆: your ignorance is overwhelming!

[@drdarrylschroeder5691]

@david janbaz Hello - Kindly refer to Against All Heresies by the First Bishop of the Christian Church in which the venerable Father states that upon being questioned, all the Disciples admitted that Jesus had been removed from the Cross and in fact passed into the hands of His Uncle Joseph of Arimathaea, a herbal doctor who treated Him, three days later after which He rose. He lived to be 120 years of age. One only dies as such once the silver cord is severed and the golden bowl shattered. This discussion is now closed. Any further communications will be ignored and deleted. Blessings - Rev Dr Darryl HA Schroeder PhD

[@termination9353]

NOT WRETCHED AT ALL Jesus was announced as king of Israel in that choice between Jesus and Barabbas. Quickly said, Pilot dressed Jesus up as King, Pilot presented Jesus to the Sanhedrin and high priest among the crowd as "their King". Told the crowd to choose to crucify "their King" or Barabbas. The Saducees and High Priest chose "their king" Jesus to be crucified and instigated the Jewish crowd to choose "their King" to be crucified..... and so the Priesthood anointed Jesus as their king in order for him to be executed. And Pilat published this fact above Jesus head at a time when Jerusalem was most crowded of Jews from all over the realm. What this accomplished was to legalize according to Torah law Jesus' amended covenant and make irrelevant all burdensome Talmudic rules. I think Jesus and Pilat planned it together. Neet trick on the Sanhedrin huh.

[@termination9353]

This Tabor guy must be reading a gospel from another planet.

[@neclark08]

...the term "Wretched" is Indeed apt here, @TermiNation, to describe both the individual degredation- & agony suffered by EVERY Human subjected to crucifiction (including Delusional 'Dud Messiahs') - as well as perceived by those viewing the process - and the 'wretched condition' of the corpse...

[@johnmichaelson9173]

Or Jesus got it so very wrong. The Kingdom of God didn't happen & in his last moments Jesus understood that he was " forsaken " he simply got the whole thing wrong. While I understand why people need to turn the whole thing into a triumph for Jesus, the truth is, he was flogged & he was crucified. Then he died in abject disappointment & despair.

[@Nexus-jg7ev]

​@@johnmichaelson9173 Well, Jesus' body was found, after all...

[@neclark08]

..."This Tabor guy..." is an expert in the ancient languages of the BCE/CE Levant, ​@TermiNation - who reads (and comprehends the Original meanings of) the Oldests versions of 'gospel' & PRE-gospel texts in their Original usages. And so, he easily recognizes the multiple ways that 'gospel texts' now circulating 2K to 4K years AFTER they were written, Differ from what lay-person faithful (like you?) have been Told (by slippery, career-conscious popes, prelates, priests & pastors) those Unfulfilleed prophetic texts "Must REALLY have meant to say"... How many ancient languages do You read- & comprehend ?