The Twisting Home Invasion of Kay Mortensen

[@ThatChapter]

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[@nevawelch7416]

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[@kaya439]

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[@mereyemsuzanne8635]

Thank youuuuuuuu Mike !!!

[@transatlanticsilkcottonfabrics]

Aw Mike we love your face. Like your podcasts and miss your face. Take care buddy ✌️

[@OneBadAssMoMo]

If you're guilty, you really need an attorney and if you're innocent, you really, really, need an attorney.

[@giantfatberg]

You are so right. But if I was innocent I would want so badly for the police to know and believe I was innocent and not hiding anything that my intuition would be to talk and talk. Just knowing that I’m innocent and also knowing that they firmly believe that I’m not would eat at me.

[@davieraB]

You've got that right ✅️

[@xTetraMuffinsx]

​@@giantfatberg the police don't mind if you're innocent, they do care about how much paperwork they have to do. All arguments can be made in court. The judge is the only one who decides your fate, not the cops!

[@sunnybearbuds]

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[@lennychorn147]

​@@giantfatberg That is exactly how innocent people, end up convicted of crimes they didn't commit.

[@BigMacOrange]

They did seem like they where lying too. Holy smokes. this is a lesson to always have an attorney present regardless of the situation.

[@NikkiC777]

Definitely! I thought they were lying and I thought it was a stupid story too. They sounded like they were lying and their stories didn't match.

[@David_DY]

Also never convict somebody just on feelings or if you believe them or not, you have to have evidence!! That's were the reasonable doubt comes in!! These two would 100% have been convicted!! Makes you wonder 🤔

[@Reth_Hard]

I read everywhere to NEVER talk to the police and lawyer up immediately! but if your father just got killed and you have important information about it, isn't normal that you would like to talk to the police and help them to solve the case?

[@Shyknit]

​@@NikkiC777 their stories sounded ridiculous enough to actually be true, like the perpetrators would know they wouldn't be believed. It reminds me of those guys that would break in and after doing it multiple times and the cops not believing the victims they actually contacted them to say the police were incompetent and they actually were doing the crimes lol

[@camlop8635]

I. Wouldn’t have. My father in law killed. I mean like personally. Like I like swear

[@vasily2022]

The truly scary part of this story besides the fact that anyone can end up murdering you is that you could quite easily end up spending the rest of your life in prison for a crime you didn't commit and better yet, a crime you were also a victim of.

[@adriennem7927]

It happened to me. It was obvious, 7 of them 1 of me, ( and I'm over 50), but bcuz these rats were drug rats, snitches, they arrested me. It was another cop vs little guy shite show. I had never been so confused or scared.. poor kids. Some cops, tunnel vision and just frikkin lazy. Alot of cops actually right. I could tell they, especially son with brain injury, were innocent. Stupid stupid cops.

[@mutolover3851]

That happens so often. The prisons have many innocent people forcefully living in them and the police force has many officers that got ahead by pinning crimes on anyone that fits well enough.

[@amazing_bastard]

Worse yet

[@n1kobefan]

@@mutolover3851”that happens so often” no it doesn’t.

[@joe-ednew2824]

Is once too often, I'd say yes.

[@solesister9873]

my jaw dropped when the son and daughter-in-law were found to be truly innocent. I 100% thought their story was absurd and their delivery of the events beyond sus. Had I been the detective I wouldn’t have believed them either. This one humbled me for sure.

[@sarepica]

Why didn’t Roger and Pam recognise the family friend though?

[@clairestephens4680]

Right?? Absolutely cannot blame the police for their initial thoughts. I'd be interested in any forensic evidence they looked for/ found though and how that fitted in

[@amandas.7143]

i hope it humbled the detectives too. this is a good one for the academy

[@godfreypigott]

@@sarepica He wasn't a family friend. He was the SON of a friend of Kay. There is no indication that Roger and Pam knew him.

[@pizzlerot2730]

Absolutely man. Even I was thinking, "yeah that story is total BS, that kind of thing just doesn't happen in real life!"... But it's a great reminder that even things that have a crazy small chance of ever happening, DO actually happen every once in a while; and that extremely small odds of something happening are NOT evidence that it didn't happen. So often I see cops in interrogation videos and other material just completely ruling out the possibility of something because the likelihood of it having happened was pretty low (not even extremely low, just kinda low), but that kinda crap is how innocent people end up behind bars 🫤 weird stuff does happen!

[@A.Girl.Has.No.Name.]

I fell asleep listening to your recent podcast (not bc it was boring, but bc I was listening to it at 2am) and ended up having a dream where I hired you as a Private Investigator because someone was trying to kill me. You asked me if my husband might've taken out some life insurance on me (& you did the dance as you asked!) then you said you'd "give it a go" finding out who was trying to do me in. I woke up when my cat jumped on my bed, so I didn't find out who was. The podcast was still playing, also. Too weird lol

[@ThatChapter]

Well that is absolutely insane hahaha. I'll happily be your PI!

[@A.Girl.Has.No.Name.]

​@@ThatChapter Good to know! 😁

[@markwebster5749]

Can’t beat the dance 🕺

[@axollot]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@theresahenderson3534]

"Give it a go." Lololol

[@thekidd2117]

When the son asked “do our stories sound too rehearsed or something?” I would’ve bet my first born on him being guilty!! Imagine my shock when it turns out they were innocent?!? Now who’s coming to get this 23 year old out of my house?!?

[@whichgodofthousandsmeansno5306]

That statement was an eyebrow raiser but in hindsight now knowing the truth it makes sense.

[@whichgodofthousandsmeansno5306]

I say it makes sense because it was rehearsed in a sense with the couple being unsure to tell the real story or the one the perps told them to say under threat. Thing is, either one is hard to believe. Hence I can't come down on the police too hard in this case. Just sucks all around until the outcome. And we still have a dead person. Humans are screwed up.

[@juliemclain4430]

Girl??!

[@tortillachips3911]

LMAO

[@antisocialsocialite5046]

😂😂😂😂 dayum savage parent

[@brianmorger2174]

This case actually had a personal impact on me and educated me. It taught me to never ever jump to conclusions ...sometimes things are truly bizarre.

[@TheGrmany69]

That's what magic realism is all about.

[@Cmin480]

Fr wtf I was sitting here listening to their story and laughing at how fake it sounded

[@janinemccartha1811]

Hi TC. I'm glad they caught the killers instead of his son & daughter- in-law being wrongly convicted. See you on the next video Mike, peace & spectacular times hopefully await you, love, Janine Smiley🙂😀😏🤩😎☕🍩☕🥧☕🍯♏🌌🌚👋💛

[@glow1815]

What cops do they want to look good and close the case ASAP. It's not them going to prison.

[@Naptosis]

@@janinemccartha1811 Hello Janine, you didn't actually comment to That Chapter, but to Brian Morger instead. You need to comment using the empty text box immediately under the video to comment to Mike (and all of us). Also, it might not be a great idea to put your full name on the internet, but that's for you to decide. I hope I was helpful!

[@michaelmacorso4479]

Man this story sounded so ridiculous it was hard to believe. I'm glad the truth came out.

[@DinoCism]

That's some real tragic irony that the guns meant to keep him safe were basically the incentive for two psychos with guns to rob and murder him with (of all things) a knife. It goes to show that a lot of the time cops actually give killers too much credit. "It doesn't make sense to kill one victim but not the other two." Killers do lots of dumb shit that makes no sense all the time.

[@michaelmacorso4479]

@Dino Cism the killers came up with a good plan tell the survivors to make up a ridiculous story to the point the cops don't believe it. If he didn't open his mouth the sad part he would of got away it. N the whole argument about guns protecting you that you need so much of them always end up being useless if a killer wants to kill you.

[@bx3054]

If only the millions of false convictions to black men over the years could be corrected this way...

[@Erebus.666.]

@@bx3054 Thats funny. Imagining that there are innocent black men in jail.

[@kberry]

​@@Erebus.666. aren't there?

[@SammytheBeak]

I'm a brain injury survivor, so when it was mentioned that that guy was as well, I had a feeling what was going to happen. People like us can sound too rehearsed just talking about our day, because we often really do rehearse those things. Our lives are already confusing, but add stress and grief to the mix and things get truly fucked up. And the lie detectors! Even under the best circumstances, TBI survivors might easily read as lying on those things. I couldn't be paid to take a lie detector test.

[@OrangeCat1992]

To be fair, no-one should ever take a lie detector test. There’s a reason they’re not admissible in court.

[@redelfshotthefood8213]

Lie detector tests could just be a ploy by the police. Remember: they’re allowed to lie in pursuit of justice. Because real bad guys lie to wriggle out of consequences all the time.

[@fifedogg511]

Lie detectors are crap and should not be used for anything serious

[@SammytheBeak]

@@fifedogg511 they need to be removed from use.

[@DVD927]

Too bad even experts don’t know very much about the brain yet.

[@mattlarew2100]

The worst part about this whole story is the fact that their families blamed them because it appeared they needed the money and obviously that's not something that is easy to just go back on and say, "oh, no worries, I understand, you blamed me for killing our dad....which I never did....its water under the bridge old buddy" pretty sure the holidays are a bit less crowded since this happened

[@TheUnknownDungeon]

According to some leaked Facebook posts several family members STILL think it was them. Calling it an injustice that two innocent men were sent to prison. Personally I think they are just salty that their share of estate is significantly smaller now that Roger and Pam were released.

[@justintime753]

100%

[@Prof.Tarfeather]

The Truth about a Couples or Persons Debt is often highly exaggerated by LE and the Prosecution! Or what Juors and just us regular folks not savvy to the average American debt if a Couple or Family with a Mortgage and the average credit card debt depending on a single person or a couple, and their age bracket truly is? It was difficult finding all the Statistics for the Years 2009-2011. However, the average increase is approximately 13% yearly. (One exception is the National Avg. credit card debt. In one year between 2022 and 2023 the avg. credit card debt in America was $20,461 and rose to over $24,000 due to an interest increase.) The average household debt for a Couple between ages 35-44 with a mortgage is between $188,680 - $191080. Being the average mortgage is $220,310. That's cheap! From what I recall, in 2009 the average credit card debt for a couple 35-44 ranged between $6,800- $22,130 To the best of my recollection? I am not an expert in economics nor a CPA? IMO, as long as the couple was making their payments, and made them on time and their credit ratio was okay, the couple was fine. I was shocked to find that a financial institution even mentioned a Ratio number of 43% which is outrageously high and wrote as much! However, there was no mention of what ratio was considered average? Mine is 13%. I've seen too many cases where Defendants are raked over their financials as being in a mountain of debt! When in fact they're your everyday more than average American. I will have to agree with the statistics that state 80% of America is in some form of financial debt?

[@xenotbbbeats7209]

​@@TheUnknownDungeon Holy crap! Really? Well then good riddance to so-called family like that. That's an interesting tidbit that Mike should have included. Now THAT'S evil!

[@tracyallshouse2730]

​@@TheUnknownDungeon you know everything on the internet IS NOT TRUE! I live in Payson and you are spreading lies. The 2 guys are white supremacist so saying they are innocent is sick.

[@animerlon]

Mega props to Rachel for turning in her ex. 👏 With such a wild story, i don't think anything less than a witness like this would have saved them. Even if the cops had followed through tracking down the stolen guns & found them, with someone already going to trial, would finding out Kay knew the thief since he was a kid have been enough to drop the charges against Roger & Pam.

[@Jenny_thebeaglemom]

She had the ultimate pettiness check to cash in after that relationship ended😅

[@brandonpattman1308]

​@@Jenny_thebeaglemom exactly.

[@brandonpattman1308]

She didn't do it out of the kindness of her heart

[@Jenny_thebeaglemom]

@@brandonpattman1308 right because she would’ve turned him in right away then.

[@animerlon]

@@Jenny_thebeaglemom 😆

[@JULIEisKRAZIE]

This case was so weird. I had to rewatch their interrogation cause I automatically thought they were guilty. Thanks for always finding interesting cases and really thanks for giving it a gooooooo

[@redelfshotthefood8213]

They did sound so stupid. We were praying, so they told us to lie about who did it. Only, the stupid story came from the stupid criminals.

[@annaritavrabel]

Wow. Tragic story with an insane twist that I absolutely didn’t see coming. If it wasn’t for the ex-wife coming forward, that family would have suffered even more. It’s nice to know there are still good people out there. Just when you think it couldn’t get any crazier.

[@kingcosworth2643]

You didn't see it coming, neither did the cops.

[@bezzerwizzer6448]

I know! Already about 06.30 in the story,he told dispatcher about the cut was from a butcher knife. I mean , how can you see it was a butcher knife... Or is that what they say,when the cut is devestating? I was so confused... But , the language barriere add to the confusion. Makes it even more exiting 😜

[@annaritavrabel]

@@bezzerwizzer6448 Yeah def one of the more wild chapters. I’ve watched them over and over and nothing surprises me anymore. But this one had quite the twist. I’m just happy the family got justice bc some aren’t as lucky they were. And no worries, I understood what you meant. LOL

[@Jabarri74]

Does balance of proof even mean anything when they are throwing the book at people who were clearly innocent and let's be honest would have been convicted

[@annaritavrabel]

@@Jabarri74 YES exactly!

[@amandakate4951]

Imagine your elderly father outsmarting a homeinvader looking to rob him making you a suspect, and due to your disability, you arouse further police suspicion and end up in prison. The literal murders had more sympathy for the son and daughter in law than the police did!!

[@beno1129]

It's easy to blame the police with the benefit of hindsight. I'm guessing that you too initially thought that the son and his wife were guilty, until the twist came at the end. The police could only go on what the evidence was pointing to, and they rightly concluded that the couple's story was false/rehearsed, and that there wasn't a break-in

[@troywallace7011]

Don't be silly

[@wh1zkidd]

​@Ben O they "rightly concluded"?? Huh? Rethink that again. And also, we had 15 minutes of a YT video for 'evidence' whereas the lazy pigs had over a year. They got tunnel vision and couldn't admit they could possibly be wrong because they'd have to start their whole case over again

[@willisstillhere8846]

Don't flatter yourself. You only act like you would've done better now because of hindsight and confirmation bias. Because we know who the real killers are. If those two murderers weren't exposed, you would've thought it was the wife and husband, too. Weird how people on the internet wanna act like they have the moral high ground or act like armchair detectives/psychologists when you would've been as dumb as the cops in this case

[@AshJae]

Wow. It took a while for me to even believe they didn’t do it! I thought for sure they had put that woman up to go in there and verify their story to frame her ex! Incredible how easy it is to go down for something even if you’re innocent. That really was a crazy story, all of it. Great coverage and video!

[@CS-mo7xp]

yes same... I was looking at the guy thinking yeah he has that murderer vibe about him!

[@klausd.6285]

It's easier than that. They had a motive as to why they could have killed him. Money and the guns missing wheren't worth that much. Plus the story is very very odd. So not really that wild that it was that easy for them to not be believed. What is scary is that there are people who are in prison for murder and the only thing the cops have on them is they were close to the crime scene. No motive, no murder weapon, no connection, no blood on them anywhere, and even more messed up, the DNA found at the scene did not match theirs and yet, they were still found guilty and are in prison. Mike has covered 2 stories maybe 3 of this very thing.

[@AshJae]

@@klausd.6285 that is scary. I hate the thought of innocent people in prison. There are many corrupt officers

[@derp8575]

They could've spilled the beans at anytime, especially during their 5 month stint in prison. I'm guessing that they wanted to protect other members of their family from the real suspects. Even if they had told the police, there wasn't any evidence to go after the actual criminals. God speed to that couple!

[@mick6812]

@@klausd.6285They said on Dateline that they had started paying bills online so the “unpaid” bills were actually just outdated.

[@inmemoryoffrancoile9274]

This is a perfect example of why you NEVER talk to police without a lawyer, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE INNOCENT.

[@markbelot3350]

Amen!! It's shocking how many people can't grasp this concept.

[@herzkine]

Well I got it in theory, then in real life was framed as guilty out of cops convinience when I was totally innocent in a minor car accident, because I babbled in shock. :D even more important...learn to stay quiet first and wait until in calm professional environment...

[@Kment011]

Luckily people are finally starting to learn this, thanks to KZbin videos like this tbh lol

[@DressedForDrowning]

They tell you: When you come with a lawyer, we must think you are guilty.

[@digs6881]

Did you run somebody over?

[@Mim_2892]

Holy hell, I am so glad the ex-wife of the real perpetrator came forward! This case is also a great example of why you should NEVER speak without an attorney present. The two who were originally accused didn't do a great job defending themselves and seemed sketchy and guilty, when they were actually just stressed and scared. Meanwhile, the actual criminals were out there having a grand old time! I'm so glad the family got closure and the innocent people didn't end up in jail for something they didn't do! Such a fascinating case!

[@likemysnopp]

Fun fact.. that matters in america But in many places, like where i live, it Doesnt matter What Youve said to the police because its not their job to convict you. That is the prosecutors job, only. And police cant be a witness either I believe. A bit odd But also makes the police job less attractive I think since you Are just a person who brings potential suspects in 😅

[@redelfshotthefood8213]

The ex-wife of the new accused... police could’ve just assumed she had a ex-wife axe to grind... luckily they investigated! The victims were very lucky on both that she came forward, AND she was listened to.

[@allisonjohnston1770]

This is MY family! This was so tragic, still is. Roger went through he'll for this.

[@Autumn_Forest_]

I can’t even imagine the grief and fear they went through, not to mention the legal fees they had to pay - at a time when they were already having financial difficulties.

[@cherb_soco1891]

Hopefully, they qualified for a public defender. Perfect example of why a person should NEVER talk to cops without an attorney. Look what happened with the Central Park 5!

[@DOYLERULES69X]

​@Cher B_SoCO The Central Park 5 were guilty though.

[@Autumn_Forest_]

@@DOYLERULES69X No they weren’t. There was one source of DNA on the jogger, and the contributor of that DNA confessed. The jogger couldn’t remember the incident.

[@DOYLERULES69X]

@@Autumn_Forest_ That doesn't mean that they didn't rape her as well.

[@cherb_soco1891]

@@DOYLERULES69X Teens wrongly interrogated for hours without an attorney & some without a parent/legal guardian. Convicted & later exonerated.

[@SandyMeeshell]

I literally would have NEVER expected that twist.. Like Mike said, it makes you wonder how common this whole "convicting the wrong person/people" thing really is 🤔 It's easy to be convinced of someones guilt if they (the police and prosecutors) do a good job of putting the pieces together and have them fall in line with a feasible story.. That's scary to think about 😐

[@kristiskinner8542]

Well look up the number of ppl exonerated then multiply by? Who knows what number. Within the past month Ive seen at least 2 new exoneration cases- after the men both spent well over a decade or 2 in prison

[@reignman30]

I'm just trying to figure out what evidence the grand jury had where they thought it was convincing enough for a trial lol. Other than them being there, I saw zero evidence. They cut a guys throat, and stabbed him, but didn't get any blood on themselves? No prints on the knife? In most cases there's usually enough evidence to leave little doubt about who's guilty.

[@soundman6241]

Thousands of people every year are convicted with less than conclusive evidence. Most of these people did in fact do the crime. However I can only imagine the shear number of innocent people in prison today. We have known for decades the trouble with eye witness testimony between strangers, yet it's still treated as solid evidence.

[@iminabrons]

@@kristiskinner8542 Were they exonerated or were they just released because of corrupt practices by the police and/or the prosecutors?

[@KD-xb5np]

Thank god for groups like the Innocence Project

[@Michaelle_Marie]

How sad and insane it would be to be arrested after being tied up, almost die and find someone dead like that. Cops had no leads so they were just going to put away innocent people? Wow!! Imagine how many innocent people these "detectives" put away for life without a care in the world.. Just wow!

[@seandelap8587]

Luckily Roger and Pam were released after 5 months which is still a long time to be locked up for a crime that you didn't commit but there's been cases of innocent people in prison for decades before being found to be innocent so it certainly could have ended up being far worse for them than it ended up being

[@loveforeignaccents]

Plenty of other cases of people wrongfully convicted and locked away for decades. I saw one story the other day though where a man was wrongfully imprisoned for 18 years because the cops went to a guy's house who had the same first and last name as the suspect, and that was that. How horrifying and scary!!! Hope he is suing the shit out of the PD, seeing they couldn't be bothered to do an ounce of work/real investigation.

[@no_peace]

They should all get settlements. This destroys families

[@no_peace]

If I miss a couple weeks of work I might lose my housing, the stuff in my apartment and storage unit would eventually be trashed or sold off etc. You can't just take people for several months

[@mikehunt8375]

You wouldn't believe the amount of people who are in prison for no reason other than stupid cops!

[@kristiskinner8542]

​@@no_peace thats how alot of ppl lose their kids too. Have known a couple ppl who got locked up- one was even for an excessive amount of tickets/warrant fees that couldnt pay & no one to keep her kids. Took her a good year to get her kids back after getting out of jail because of course she lost her job, apt etc so had to get all that back first & maintain it for x amount of months before the state would give her kids back

[@MolecularInsights]

RECORD SCRATCH! That was a plot twist I was not expecting - even though a clue was staring at me in the title. I feel sorry for Roger & Pam for what they endured. I also feel sorry for Ryan the newscaster at 16:23 for his sudden fear of the camera & choice of career.

[@Kthb80]

What was that? I forgot how awful the local news can be.

[@delg1211]

LOL... even in light of a cruel story... Fantastic Comment! ..as for as Ryan, he is a baby and has invested very little in that "career"; he'll find a better path ;)

[@dawnsully88]

That's exactly what I was thinking. Plot twist not expecting. I thought they were guilty. I'm glad that ex wife came forward

[@keris81]

Haha! So funny and true.

[@michelleharper2940]

If Utah had a sound 😂😂

[@funpheonix9752]

I feel so bad for Roger and Pam… I couldn’t even imagine 😔 especially Roger! He lost his dad and got accused of murdering him, and even spent time behind bars because of it.

[@bretc.j.3898]

Here's the scary part. The son and his wife would have undoubtedly spent the rest of their life in prison if not for the ex wife. That's our "justice" system. They just want convictions, truth be damned

[@donnamorgan-jt5ts]

Convictions look great for Elections

[@christopherpeychev5889]

At least you have a justice system. Where I come from (Bulgaria) there is no such thing. A drug dealer high as a kite killed 3 women with his car driving with 150 km per hour in the centre of the capital. The guy had police officers help him escape the scene and they even gave him a ladder to climb to his apartment as he lost his keys....He paid them and nothin happened. On the other hand a poor boy in the country side stole 2 chickens as he was starving for days, he got 6 years of prison. So you have no idea how blessed you guys are over there... You don't even have the slightest idea of how corruption ruins peoples lives in the poor countries

[@donnamorgan-jt5ts]

@@christopherpeychev5889 I’m in Australia & really sorry the people of Bulgaria have to live with such injustice on a daily basis-I’m sure life is challenging enough without corruption. I think it’s like bigotry & exists everywhere to some degree,but obviously to a chronic degree in many places-3rd World & Communist Nations are the most vulnerable.

[@FunFails]

@@christopherpeychev5889 Same in the US though. Look up OJ Simpson. Or the murderer pardoned simply for being the son of a friend of Arnold Schwartznegger.

[@jamesgilbert124]

I like that part where the cops used a polygraph to almost send a couple to prison before someone DID THEIR ENTIRE JOB FOR THEM and handed them the guilty party wrapped up with a bow.

[@herzkine]

Maybe to provoke that was their genius plan :D

[@beno1129]

Are you honestly saying that you knew that the couple were innocent throughout the video? Their story was false/rehearsed and there wasn't a break-in, so it's understandable that the police would consider them the main suspect.

[@willisstillhere8846]

@@beno1129 he prolly did know. He's an armchair internet detective. He can see my future too

[@holversonmusic3141]

@@beno1129 "Their story was false/rehearsed", but apparently it was neither.

[@beno1129]

@@holversonmusic3141 Did you even watch the video? The story they gave the police was what the culprits told them to say

[@donnamorgan-jt5ts]

Can’t imagine anything worse than being WRONGLY accused of killing your parent or the ultimate horror,your child. To be a victim accused is beyond grasping…has to intensify the trauma thru the roof

[@quietstormvalley9010]

Timothy Evans was hanged in 1950 for the murder of his baby daughter, only for the real killer to confess three years later - Timothy Evans and many other innocent men and women death lead to the UK government abolishing the death penalty in 1965. People in UK do understand the need for the death penalty, it`s just the justice system cannot guarantee 0% failure. A innocent life is priceless especially when it`s your life on death row.

[@KRAPYBARA84]

Imagine finding out your dad died and the cops just assumed you did it. Damn. Good thing that ex wife spoke up

[@archlich4489]

She is an angel.

[@TimParker-Chambers]

Imagine the police working to a statistical norm... 😱😱😱😱🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ Aside from truly random acts, statistically, if a kiIIer isn't directly related to their victim, they will least be known to them (as was allegedly the case here) Statistically, you will be safer in a room of complete strangers, than you are in a room with your immediate family... 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@Mandrake42]

@@TimParker-Chambers But you need to convict people with evidence, not statistics. Their story sounded wild, but there was no evidence to support that they did it, amazingly this was the case because.........they didn't do it.

[@lcg8220]

I mean they are the most guilty sounding innocent people I ever saw, the wife being super evasive about whether her husband would kill his dad was probably what did them in.

[@agentorange81]

Happened to my mom , she was somewhere else , called to come check on my grandfather ,found he had been shot , the local law kept her hours to push her into false confession ,she didn't but it really took a toll on her to go through that with no cause to believe she did it , corrupt law enforcement mainly , there's much more needless to say it was to pin it on the first person possible

[@Stevie_B_0828]

Being wrongfully accused and convicted is my biggest fear in life. It happens more often than people realize and it happened to someone very near and dear to me, it ruined his life. The couple featured here nearly experienced the very same fate, scares me half to death.

[@giantfatberg]

Having an accident and being left in a permanent vegetative state scares me.

[@maramarxx2431]

Same here

[@tats7859]

And a lot of people think that it won't happen to them or it can't happen to me... but it can happen to anyone,

[@sickfukpatrol1983]

Yeah my best friend and some one i consider family the man who “got stabbed”. Even said he did not do but should get life and my friend got 19 - 99 :/

[@doc_sav]

Yeah, me too. People who get to know me have let me know that at first I seem kind of shady or overly monotone. I really really fear making a bad first impression that makes me look guilty as f.

[@charissayoung7959]

I remember this vividly because Kay’s son, Roger and daughter in law, Pam were persecuted by law enforcement and media alike. Martin’s ex wife could’ve been too afraid to come forward for her safety, but she sure did the right thing here!!! I hope Roger and Pam are healing and blessed ❤

[@SweetAshGamer]

Glad that woman came forward. I can't imagine being falsely accused and having to spend that time in jail.

[@Kinvesu]

Holy crap, are you real? The only person in this comment section not to have their heads up mikes behind. No one ever actually comments on the content of the videos. Convinced they are all bots to give likes.

[@suzbone]

​@@Kinvesu fans fire off comments as soon as they get notification, and then it takes some time for folks to actually watch the video and comment on it. You're just that early.

[@Kinvesu]

@@suzbone Sure, but there is a difference between being a fan and psycho ex gf/bf levels of blind infatuation.

[@ZombieSazza]

@@Kinvesu yeah we’re all real, there’s a lot of bots all over YT it’s a huge issue, but us lot arrive as early as possible

[@jackchop1576]

@@Kinvesu those "I only like your channel and hate the rest" comments are on every true crime channel.

[@clairestephens4680]

Absolutely insane reminder that sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction.

[@AFriendVA]

It's really sad that this man was ready for intruders and the end of the world, but his downfall came from someone he trusted 😕 It's really crazy how often that's the case.

[@DizzKola3]

Wow! I really thought it was the son and daughter in law. It’s scary how easily innocent people can be charged. Ps. Mike your editing as always is amazing. The zoom in on that strange news reporter..epic.

[@scorch4299]

They likely hired the two to do it. Then couldnt turn them in without being turned in themselves.

[@mariebee3146]

Was hard for me to believe. They just didn't seem like they had it in them to slit someone's throat. The son gave me the impression of being too weak. Physically and mentally. Then the killer confirmed that when he said he was crying the whole time.

[@armurph1102]

I immediately knew they were telling the truth. Not because they were believable but because Mike's caption said so. It is captioned that these two INNOCENT witnesses were not believed.

[@justacellist3989]

@@scorch4299 And your evidence to say this is?

[@CourtneyTunbridge79]

See, I have said on SO MANY comments the scariness and easiness with which a person could spend the rest of their lives in prison for a crime they didn't commit. I believe 100% they would have been convicted WITHOUT A DOUBT. Thank god for this honest lady, you desrve a medal. R.I.P Kay 🕊 ❤️

[@sunnybearbuds]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@shortydancer]

This is why capital punishment shouldn’t exist.

[@ppw2393]

That’s why I support the death penalty in very few cases.

[@shortydancer]

@@ppw2393 you can’t support it even a bit if it’s possible that an innocent person die by execution.

[@seymourclearly]

America's 'justice' system is a joke, you get the best justice you can afford, and if you don't have any money you're in trouble

[@peecee1384]

Nice story telling. You held the secret twist well and it completely caught me by surprise. I thought the case was done and dusted up to that point. Thank God the real truth came out. I hope the son and his wife were compensated, and a proper apology given. I hope they are doing ok now. The Police are human and as we all know humans can and do make mistakes.

[@ZER0--]

Crazy. At least one happy thing came from this. Pam and Roger will be able to pay their bills, either by suing for wrongful incarceration, and/or get the millions from their dad now that they are innocent.

[@virginiaarthur5]

😂 I shouldn’t laugh but your right

[@shortking-vp9vv]

My husband and I both do not have typical reactions to stressful situations. I could see us being in Roger and Pam’s situation, and that’s scary. Detectives often don’t consider the effects of brain injury or autism or mental illness when investigating unless they’re associating it with motive. They’re just looking to see if you sound innocent enough. ALWAYS get a lawyer, folks. ESPECIALLY if you’re innocent

[@TheChristianNomad]

It's not that they don't consider it, they just don't care. Their entire mindset is get the easiest conviction at any cost. Even if they have to fabricate evidence to get it.

[@AlaborJinta]

huh...

[@AlaborJinta]

hopefully youre both not as annoying!

[@denniskirsch7354]

​@TheChristianNomad I was going to say this exact same exact thing.

[@kayingthao5072]

You know he doesn’t love you but that “I love ya” at the end is nice to hear.

[@Cyberwolf9999]

So. Roger and Pam was too calm for the police's taste and they had a couple of unpaid bills, so police decide right there it's them. It is so scary to think innocent people can be jailed. Thanks to the woman who came forward at least there is still good people in this world. Love ya Mike for your humour.

[@theraraio5191]

My husband is in a texas prison for a crime he did not commit. This case hits really close to home. Sometimes the authorities are more corrupt than the people they're supposed to be protecting. As long as they throw someone in prison they don't care whether you're guilty or innocent.

[@oscopin74]

Sorry to hear about your husband. I hope the truth will come to light for him, or more importantly the people who charged and convicted him.

[@mooseing22]

I'm a bus driver so listening to podcasts makes my days less boring. The TC podcast has certainly enhanced my crime library.

[@JulieEmilyJ]

Needed this upload today. Your vids are my comfort. I started a new job that I really needed and it was horrid. I’ve cried for like 12 hours. Only stopped while watching this. Thanks for the vid Mike.

[@jstone247]

Sorry you have a sh*t job.

[@ThatChapter]

Hope you’re doing ok!!!! I’m sure it’ll get better soon! I believe in you, this’ll pass and you’ll make it through

[@Scratchingforcash]

Goodluck, remember you can do it. Keep your head up. They hired you because you’re worth it. Best wishes to you.

[@rt66vintage16]

I hope you'll be OK at the new job. Sometimes we need to cry after a stressful day.

[@careyhamm2009]

1st days are always tough! Everything is unfamiliar but I hope it gets better for you in time. If nothing else it's a paycheck until you find something better that you enjoy. Best of luck to you

[@paxsmile]

Terrifying to think you can be falsely accused like that. To think there are many in prison right now because of things like this 😬

[@fearofaflatearth]

Mike makes it seem like an attainable goal

[@fearofaflatearth]

Imo, Mike is only encouraging the framers with this. Would love to hear a defense of how that isn't the case.

[@jonny-b4954]

For sure. And you can SO easily be convicted with purely circumstantial evidence. Or one "eyewitness" account, which is the least reliable thing out there. Literally try it yourself, ask a table of people/friends to recount what just happened or something. You'll get as many different stories and details as the people present. Remember the game where kids sit in a circle and whisper a funny phrase to each other and see how different it is by time it comes back around to beginning of the circle? Samething. It's nuts.

[@fearofaflatearth]

@@jonny-b4954 can you name one case where a person in America was convicted of a crime based only on one person's testimony and nothing else? Doesn't really happen. Only exception: if the one eyewitness is a police officer 👮

[@jonny-b4954]

@@fearofaflatearth Well, I mean that I'd assume there'd be some circumstantial evidence in the case too. Not JUST a single eyewitness account. Though, I wouldn't be so sure that hasn't happened before. And like you said, it does all the time with police officers. That'll shut a case and get a conviction right there and they're no less susceptible to the way our brains process and remember information.

[@s.williamc.]

Thank you Mike. Funny how Garry Ridgeway, the Green River Killer who was the second most prolific serial killer in American history passed his Polygraph test, but these two innocent people failed their test.

[@lynnkayee1015]

What a nightmare. Thank God the ex-wife came forward! As soon as the brain injury with Roger was mentioned I knew that would work against him. I've known two people who have brain damage and while one is worse, both are....different. Not just from how they were before, but from most people in general. Especially in emotional response. I feel so bad for these two. And it must be absolutely, painstakingly awkward around other family members now. How do you make up for suspicion like that? How do you forgive those suspicions? Ugh. I almost feel it's impossible to do either. 😩

[@sugarsedative]

my bf has a brain injury, he got hit with a brick during a fight. barely missed his temple, and he's incredibly lucky to have survived it. he gets really upset sometimes because his brain doesn't work the same as before, and it breaks my heart. he's so intelligent but his brain takes a second to catch up sometimes, and makes him feel stupid 🥺

[@sleepzzz7768]

I was just thinking this, witnesses aren’t reliable as it is, adding a brain injury would make them even more unreliable. Idk if the investigators knew this or just didn’t care, I would like to think a jury would see this but it could have gone both ways if the state would have said something like, he doesn’t know the degree of his crime nonetheless he did it. It’s just a no win situation. Glad everything was found out in the end.

[@dazzlingextremes389]

You should look up the trial with Gwenith Paltrow right now and the guy who says she hit him on a slope says he has a brain injury and isn't the same now and they're saying it's not the case.... Suffering a TBI myself I can say for sure it's the case.

[@Julia-uh4li]

The daughter-in-law behaved exactly like her brain-damaged husband which to me, now seems bizarre. There was just such a lack of emotion. SMH

[@uuh4yj43]

​@@Julia-uh4li ​@Julia well it probably didnt hit as close to home to her, it wasnt her dad after all, and some people just are calm in the face of danger, my grandma talked an armed robber out of my mom's store while holding baby me in her arms, for her it was just a good laugh...

[@skreemqueen7520]

Always Get A Lawyer!!! Don’t worry about it making you look guilty. This case is textbook for why you should always get representation. I’m thankful Roger & Pam were released and justice was served. I’m enjoying the podcast,Mike. Great work.

[@helenwhs]

Crime dramas usually make the person who gets a lawyer guilty in the end, so I think that contributes to the problem.

[@mariebee3146]

But if you know you're innocent and are a witness to a crime, you wouldn't think to get one. It's like would you get an attorney if you witnessed a burglar break into someone else's home? Probably not. Plus you have to pay lawyers for their time. So most wouldn't want to insure that expense if they didn't think they had to.

[@helenwhs]

@@mariebee3146 public attorneys should always be available. If they read you your rights, get one.

[@antisocialsocialite5046]

This really scares me because my sisters boyfriend died tragically a few years ago. It was later ruled to be an accidental gun discharge that happened while he was up and about and she was asleep. but in the hours/days after the incident they were interrogating her hard and we really thought she was going to be wrongfully arrested...they later found the gun under his body and started to realize she hadnt done anything but its terrifying to witness how easily it can happen

[@carly0406]

I have lived in Utah my whole life and this story was suppressed from the public for a long time...I'm so happy you covered this one..love you Mike :)

[@missangelbabyoneandonly3898]

Right. Born & raised. No, I'm not LDS either, not everyone fromnUtahnis Morman... & not all Mormans are bad. I have alot of Morman friends who are great. Almost 42 years. I haven't heard of this case. But we do have alot of home invasions. My family had a home invasion... 6 hours of torment. It involved Michael Angel Martinez, who had killed Matthew Moya the year before our home invasion. Sandy Resgraph from Fox 13, did the News break on our home invasion.

[@RawOlympia]

@@missangelbabyoneandonly3898 that sounds horrific! glad you made it thru that

[@TheGelasiaBlythe]

​@MissAngelBaby OneAndOnly I hope you and your family are doing well, now.

[@ZER0--]

Why was it suppressed?

[@tillitsdone]

The crime rate in Utah is higher than the national average. I was surprised to see that

[@bluesky5384]

When you suggested a true killer of a case could be behind me, I turned around and saw my cat. I wouldn't be surprised lol

[@izi5150]

This is the reason why law enforcement always has to follow the statement “find truth, seek justice.” Not “seek justice, find truth…” How could they insist that they never gave up on following other leads, if the prosecutors were moving forward to punish someone…?

[@RonnieBowlsby]

Family pressure, media pressure, etc etc.... Sadly..

[@Garbeaux.]

They weren’t. That was total PR spin so they didn’t look like huge fools. I honestly can’t blame the police in this situation. It really all sounded made up.

[@kittywetzel92]

I think this is the craziest crime story I have heard yet! The couple's story sounded like complete BS but turned out to be true! Unbelievable!

[@Inspectorzinn2]

Not really, it just highlights how stupid most viewers of crime shows are. Always so sure they know who is guilty, and trigger happy to convict.

[@pamelapamper]

@@Inspectorzinn2 is stupid that you believe they were innocent just bc they were cleared by authorities. They obviously hired the other two.

[@Inspectorzinn2]

@@pamelapamper Do you dream up this stuff on drugs or what? Zero evidence they were involved. Let me guess, you think the earth is flat as well.

[@LKYme]

Unbelievably scary that innocent people can so easily be indicted for murder. I have no doubt that if they went to trial, they could have been convicted too. A suspicious story and a plausible motive could have landed them in prison for forever, if that lady hadn't come forward with the truth. This story should scare us all.

[@mcnuggets2011]

Hope everyone is having a good 2023 so far. Love you all and thanks Mike for bringing us all together!!

[@ThatChapter]

Thanks Alex! Hope you're having a great one too!

[@lorettascott5477]

Thank you!

[@sukai121]

You too!!

[@1976ondy]

Same back to you all from PuertoRico 🙏🏽

[@Jestin612]

This year is horrible 😞. But at least we got this channel

[@OhKindSir]

Mike, I just want to let you know that I totally appreciate you. You are a magnificent storyteller with a great sense of humor. Thank you buddy.

[@whichgodofthousandsmeansno5306]

Agree. I am click addicted to his channel.

[@Timberking-cd9rp]

The key evidence that we lack, stated by the police, led to the framing of two innocent individuals. Under intense life-threatening pressure, people tend to forget and perceive reality imperfectly. For example, in a car accident scenario, if someone is near me, we may both perceive what happened differently.

[@angelaa3732]

I don't tune in for your geography lessons, Mike. That's just a bonus!! I tune in for the way you can tell important stories with respect but also with a sense of humor. Love ya, keep up the great work!! I always get excited to see a new TC out.

[@ginniemess]

❤️🇺🇦

[@emo_penguin420]

Whoa! What is this strange place???!? Is this what it's like to be mega super early lol! Great to see your cheery face Mike, let's gooooo!

[@dondoyle8474]

I wouldn’t have believed their story in a million years!!!!!! This is not only crazy but scary 🙏 thank you for another great show 👍👍

[@joegentry3726]

Thank god for a new Mike. Not all heroes wear capes, or can pronounce free….

[@ThatChapter]

Thanks for being here!!

[@susiefoxy8130]

😂

[@Kitzkrieg]

9/10 times when the cops say "you're not under arrest, and you can stop and leave at any time" it is likely the Only point they'll be truthful with you. If you are in a room with cop's, camera's and a microphone... Stop Talking, leave and/or contact a GOOD lawyer!!!! Because if they're going to arrest you, it is also likely they do not yet have a warrant signed by a judge. And if you are seriously being considered a suspect, you Do Not want to try and defend yourself after the cuffs go on, or at minimum, try and retain a lawyer. COP'S ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS! Period!!

[@kristinae.7084]

These are the best cases... the ones that take a totally unexpected turn! Rest in Peace, Kay :(

[@Jaxissupergay77]

The harder life gets, the more grateful I am for wonderful Mike! LET'S GIVE IT A GOO !!!

[@delciagarcia8287]

This is an astonishing development. I’m glad someone told the truth, setting innocent people free. Sad that the story sounded so unbelievable! This truly illustrates Twain’s maxim: truth is stranger than fiction… Great old video.

[@PassTheMarmalade1957]

Imagine the *incredible* luck of surviving this. Two guys have just stolen a load of guns and brutally murdered your father, and they somehow decide not to kill you for being a witness. And then you walk out and are immediately accused of the murder.

[@cosmicbilly]

No shit. Literally lots of people have staged home invasions to cover up murder. Its not suprising they were suspicious of them. Especially when their stories kept changing and not lining up.

[@Bloodbain88]

That's what sucks about these murderer investigators. If you found the body of a family member or friend, and you're totally innocent, but can't prove you DIDN'T do it, you're totally going down for it. Even though the burden of proof is supposed to be on the state that you're guilty, not on you that you're innocent.

[@HVAC356]

Those are just myths. They are out there to charge someone. The easiest is the best for them. Get a lawyer. Don't trust anything they say even when they're trying to help your family. Anyone with experience with cops knows theys lie, they cheat and do anything for that freaking promotion

[@whywhywhy1266]

I totally thought they were guilty after they were questioned and kept changing their stories. Thankfully Rachael came forward to tell what she knew before their lives were totally destroyed.

[@tessyredding5422]

Best advice I’ve heard while listening to true crime, REMAIN SILENT!!! They couldn’t say anything right, staying silent, and asking for an attorney was their only hope. Good thing it didn’t go before a jury, I didn’t believe them. 😰

[@TurboNutterBastard]

They'd look even more guilty if they remained silent when asked by the police what happened and who killed their Father/inlaw.

[@OttawaFreedom]

@@TurboNutterBastard They can't use their right to remain silent as evidence against them... It's a fundamental right. However, you'll notice in the Miranda warning that "anything you say, can be used AGAINST you in a court of law." Trust the lawyers. Note: it was in fact, their best recalling of the events to professional confession extractors that made them look guilty, not their invocation of 5th amendment.

[@Jaydogg222]

Maybe...Just maybe, they might have wanted the police to catch the people that killed their loved one, and not telling the police ANYTHING might have hampered that...

[@lizziecousins-tf3wy]

The comedy, the crime and the life insurance dance, I love ya Mike!

[@lizziecousins-tf3wy]

I don't find the cases funny at all but I do the way Mike tells them, there's a difference, if you watch his videos then youll see that he's very funny and has banter, is this ok with you?????

[@brandyrichard6001]

👍👍🤣

[@brandyrichard6001]

​@@lizziecousins-tf3wyabsofreekinglutey!! He puts a spin on the stories that entertains yet doesn't disrespect the victims. Just saying. 👍😳❤

[@lizziecousins-tf3wy]

@@brandyrichard6001 amen to that 🥰

[@lizziecousins-tf3wy]

@@kylem3295 okay doke mate

[@Xanderrss0]

It's terrifying to think how many innocent people are in prison right now.

[@lovingmayberry307]

This is scary! The thought that you could be innocent, but the cops simply choose not to believe you so that they can close the case.

[@cpfs936]

This is why you ALWAYS say "yes" to a lawyer, and "no" to a polygraph.

[@mkayokay3192]

Happens more than you’d think. Luckily the guilty party is usually relatively obvious but when it’s not they don’t care- they just pick the easiest target and go for it.

[@bx3054]

this is how black men are treated everyday

[@noneck3099]

@@bx3054 so explain black cops....racist

[@Stopcommentingthesamecomments]

​@@bx3054 seriously disgusting u should be ashamed of urself

[@katekursive1370]

Hope the brave woman who stepped forward is safe.

[@julielemoine3954]

It’s absolutely scary how easily you can be locked up and have the key tossed! I’ve watched more than a few Forensic Files episodes to know that if the police need a murder solved you will be arrested and take charges that you had nothing to do with! Some of these people have done 10, 20 & more years before they finally were exonerated.

[@michhaynes7272]

I love the fact that you told it the way you did so we didn't know till that point! I was wondering when listening to the son because of his extra needs, if he wasn't able to describe it as well and seeming guilty because of it. Glad they are out now. The guys who did, what sick bastards, having known this person all your life!

[@philleotardo8923]

I just want to say a big thank you Mike for regularly uploading and for the new podcast. I've been going through a tough time recently and had a bit of a scare today so I know your narrating will bring a smile to my face. Thanks for all you do much love. 🙏

[@JustDiane71]

❤ don't worry thing will turn around for you!!

[@mdcs1992]

Poor you. How sad. Sob.

[@JackalBlack]

Very happy to see there are still people who say "quite frankly" alive and well today.

[@Banisoup]

I remember seeing a breakdown on 'micro expressions' and realized that a lot of the 'signs' someone is guilty are just what some people do when they panic. Like how you can't really tell what kind of pup a pup is gonna be when you're seeing them in a cage before adopting them.

[@ZER0--]

Peculiar comment.

[@sagganuts18]

Micro expression is crap honestly. It’s fun to watch and Maybee it’s useful as a gut feeling to let investigator dig further, but not evidence of anything. Everyone is so different. I’m autistic and I’ve never looked emotional when a close family member died, despite being broken inside.

[@mischr13]

@@sagganuts18 I'm autistic too and those "body language experts" give me more anxiety about interacting with people on top of my already anxious self lol

[@ZER0--]

@@mischr13 It's pseudo science. Even if it were true, who would be watching your every gesture? I find talking is a good way to get to find out about someone.

[@mischr13]

@@ZER0-- oh, I know it's pseudoscience, but OTHER people apparently don't cuz it's very popular. and talking doesn't make me seem less weird haha but if people stick around long enough they do seem to like me :D appreciate you btw

[@Urm0mz]

I see passion flowing through you! The podcast is amazing and people love it (seriously, you have higher ratings than others I listen to with LESS star reviews) I'm just so happy to see you every week, doing what you love and bringing light to cases as you do. I wanna pinch your cheek, it's just so cute!!

[@emmalikesflowers]

Wow! This story is a pearler!! ❤👏

[@mamapoch1915]

You know, nobody tells a story like you. You're absolutely the best!

[@shelleyp2870]

I absolutely love the way you make videos. Never boring, always giving background and insight into the area and people involved while not glamorizing the criminals / guilty and making sure the victims are in the forefront. The respect you show is amazing. Thank you.

[@katryan889]

The fact that their stories WEREN'T exactly alike told me they were telling the truth. They were in shock from it all.

[@jamesmcgrath1952]

Glad to see you, Mike. Just what I need on a dark, snowy, boring day.

[@adrian2105]

You'll never know how much joy you can bring to us! Sending love from Croatia

[@simoncullum5019]

Love Croatia

[@suzanhodges415]

This is a very scary story of how we can all end up in prison for life just by turning up at the scene if a crime by mistake. And all the circumstantial evidence, like unpaid bills, used against them. Was very disturbing. Thank god for the ex wife.

[@dylanwhitt9605]

Been watching your channel since the beginning Mike! I listen to you every day on my walks to work and when I’m at home doing chores even if it’s rewatching old cases. It’s amazing to see how far you’ve come and how much you’ve grown! Keep it up big dawg. I’m sure you have a very bright future ahead of you and as always take care of yourself because I love ya🙂

[@Sunniebby3]

“Like a pig in a bucket” 😂😂👏🏼 god I love u my Irish soulmate

[@allisonjohnston1770]

This is my uncle and cousin. He had 3 living children. One daughter passed in 1988. Roger WAS in an ATV accident. This is a tragedy, still, not "bullshit "!! He spent a lot of time in jail until the scumbags got caught!

[@kristiskinner8542]

He didnt say anything was bullshit. He was being scarcastic about the police finding the actual killers- and said this is dumb shit about that

[@aprilherrera3469]

My condolences to you, and your extended family.

[@andanotherthing...]

He was sympathizing with your family, saying what happened to Roger and Pam after the crime was "pure shite." I don't see how that could be perceived any other way. Mike never makes fun of victims.

[@cdcdogs4961]

Wow 😳 I’m shocked to hear you tell this story, especially because I’m from the area and we ride our horses up Payson canyon (Mortensen home) all the time. This story had all of us locals questioning whether or not his son and daughter in-law actually committed this murder. Mike, you have done an excellent job with this one… your AMAZING! 👍🏼👏🏼❤️

[@TheCaptaininsaino]

OK, as a local, can you tell me - was that news report for real? Both reporters were odd, but that one guy looked like he was doing a Python sketch from the 70's. It was so surreal, I lost focus on the story and stared slack jawed at the reporter. Are they still on the air? Man, if I lived there, I'd never miss an episode!

[@cdcdogs4961]

@@TheCaptaininsaino Yes, it’s all true and that’s why it’s so unbelievable. Regarding the reporters…🤣 I’ve never seen them before but they are Journalism students from BYU (Brigham Young University) and their Broadcast wasn’t shown on the any of the local stations. If they don’t make it in journalism maybe they should try out for Saturday night live 🥴 JK. I personally never saw this report until now and I don’t know how Mike got the clip, however, that’s why I said he did a amazing job. Maybe he has a Mormon insider. 🤔🤫🤣

[@hughmungous775]

Wow. I'm so glad that the case was solved and they were let free. Unfortunate that they had to spend any time in jail, though.

[@smorgensterin4990]

Did they win any kind of civil suit or judgment? They deserve it.

[@hughmungous775]

@@smorgensterin4990 Good question! I would hope so, however I know it can be pretty tough to achieve. They do deserve it though. I can't imagine my life being torn apart like that and then spending time in jail for the murder I didn't commit.

[@Monika-bc3dq]

A little bit of Mike and crime is exactly what I needed right now 😌 You always show up on time, man. Thanks! ♥️

[@MarkStark007]

Very true. One day I was super out of it not having a good day at all and I saw that Mike uploaded a video right then and there. Brought a smile to my face I'll tell you hwat

[@sunnybearbuds]

Didn't see this one coming! Well done as usual, brother Mike!

[@thomasreed1975]

It really goes to show that you can’t judge someone’s guilt by their reaction to the crime. I’ve seen hundreds of videos and so many reactions and it’s all the way across the board. You never know how someone will behave until it happens

[@CantTellYou]

In the style of Larry King, I have to ask _what happened to the pecan pie?_ Seriously though I feel so bad for Roger & Pam for this type of lazy wrongful incrimination happens way way too much, and Kay for being robbed of a chance at more slices of life & pies

[@banksybum317]

Best consistent true crime channel on yt. I really have come far liking your channel. Use to be against everything that wasn’t JCS because most were just knocking him off but you’ve created your own lane and type of content. Absolutely genius way to present such horrific crimes. Keep it up sir

[@elisaseverns2543]

Such a messed up case. My mom always told me that she hoped I’d never have to be on trial defending myself because I have a hard time remembering details. So my story would change a lot! 😕🤔

[@Atlas-Struggled]

It’s always a pleasure seeing a video from you!

[@ThatChapter]

See ya Friday!

[@accidentallyamy1063]

Every time Mike has said TURD instead of THIRD has given me endless joy over the years and there will never come a time when I won’t find it hilarious. Thank you sir for your service 🫡 ❤

[@whazzat1970]

I especially love when he pronounces “thirty three”

[@Loopy-ragdoll]

Seeing a new upload from ya always makes me so happy! I stop what I'm doing to watch. I just was about to leave work after over 10hrs and boy was it a rough one. Started out by getting a nice bite on my thigh by one of the doggos and it somehow just kept getting worse. Once I saw you had a video all that is behind me ♡ Thnx for being the best