Criminally Underrated N64 Games

[@thatvideogamesshow]

What is your favourite N64 game?

[@Papaxa6655]

Conker bad fur day, learned a few things being a teenager in that one, haha!

[@freddhowerton1423]

Goemon mystical ninja and goemons great adventure 2

[@crabwaluigi]

Custom Robo V2

[@Gabriel-y2o]

A tie between Paper Mario and Conkers Bad Fur Day

[@NYCJoeBlack]

Banjo Kazzooie 007 Golden Eye Super Mario 64 Paper Mario Star Fox 64 F-Zero Conker’s Bad Fur Day Resident Evil 2 WWF: No Mercy The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Turok Turok 2 Mario Kart 64 Mortal Kombat Trilogy Donkey Kong Country 64 Perfect Dark Spider-man Wave Race

[@Cronoistight]

Wow. I never thought I'd see the day that Quest 64, Mystical Ninja, AND Mischief Makers would all see love...IN THE SAME VIDEO!

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Thanks for watching!

[@richardmeyerii5622]

Indeed. I really don't see why Quest 64 gets so much hate. I thoroughly enjoyed it when I first played it. I still have it and fully intend to play it again. Once life allows it.

[@exspinarak]

​@@richardmeyerii5622probably because is very basic and doesn't stand out amongs its rpgs contemporaries.

[@GOPSlayer]

I know what you mean. That's cool, I totally get it. I LOVE those underrated gems!!!

[@Papaxa6655]

My dude, you never disappoint to bring games I've never heard of, you are a worldwide treasure for this, ty and keep working hard!

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Thanks Papaxa that means a lot 🙂 plenty more videos on the way!

[@cuiff62]

Hybrid Heaven combats were so fun, loved the facts that you could perform wrestling moves.

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Was such a cool system!

[@draculaman]

Ive said this on your videos before, but it's insane to me how consistently you manage to highlight genuine hidden gems and somehow find so many niche games without scraping the barrel when it comes to quality. I feel like most videos like this just seem to name the same 25 'hidden gems' that aren't remotely hidden to even someone halfway into the hobby, yet time and time again you manage to throw up stuff I've never even heard of. Massive respect mate, I can only imagine the amount of research that goes into each video like this

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Cheers Dan!

[@xelthos2051]

Quest 64, Mischief Makers, ans Snowbord kids 1 and 2 are still some of my favorite games to date.

[@poncho828]

Quest 64 is trash 🗑

[@xelthos2051]

@@poncho828 it's fine that you're wrong.

[@fettuccinialfonso]

Mischief Makers/Sin & Punishment are top of the list for me. Good video!

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Thanks Pulse!

[@kjhansonkjhanson6643]

Treasure does not disappoint

[@OzymandiasWasRight]

I use to rent Mace every now and then. The gas station nearby had like 4 games available to rent. It's so weird thinking back on it, today those are some damn fine memories. Loved that game.

[@Gogopowerandy]

The thing I remember most about Mace was the cover - it had Lord Zedd from Power Rangers on it, and I was very confused😂

[@paulbennett2284]

Nice list, but I would’ve put Aidyn Chronicles over Quest 64!

[@datacustodian]

Loved mystical ninja as a kid. Rented it from blockbuster many times. Ended up getting it and the sequel in college.

[@jimb0678]

Same here

[@superbn0va]

Operation Winback ❤️ Could never get myself into “Mischief Makers” because of the level design.

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Yoooo Operation Winback! Yes! Definitely for part 2 🙂

[@Tasuke]

Another great one! I remember renting Mischief Makers from Blockbuster but I didn't play much of it. Mystical Ninja I loved!! It was another rental for me but I got it a lot and eventually I bought my own copy years later. It's probably my favorite N64 platformer besides CBFD, Banjo Kazooie, and Gex 3. Also HOLY MOLY I loved Space Station Silicon Valley! I had so much fun with it as a kid and it was the earliest game I got for my N64 collection. It struggles to work sometimes but it still plays which is the important thing. I'd love a remake or even just a re-release on Switch or something. Custom Robo I mainly played the GameCube version of but with that fan translation I ended up getting a copy for myself and having some fun! Still need to finish it. Quest 64 was my first real RPG and I didn't like it. Couldn't figure out combat. I was a kid at the time so maybe if I played it now I'd understand. Sin and Punishment I played at a friend's house on the Wii. Was short but a nice way to kill some time.

[@gamerk316]

My two choices: Jet Force Gemini (Rare): A surprisingly fun romp. Yes, the fact you have to 100% it makes it drag a bit, the Floyd missions can be a PITA, but the gunplay is surprisingly solid. Body Harvest (DMA Design): Is this game good? Debatable. But you see the beginnings of much greater things; DMA Design would soon rebrand to a more well-known name: Rockstar North.

[@ryanspurgeon4841]

But Jet Force is not an unknown game. Was made by RARE and did well enough.

[@whentheworldwasatwar8717]

Mischief Makers, Mystical Ninja Goemon, Space Station Silicon Valley are in my top 10 Fav games on the platform, truly amazing games that deserve to be played by everyone

[@kaypete8471]

I amSurprise and and very happy that Custom Robo is on this list. Custom Robo series is so underrated 😄

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Love the series! Especially the GameCube game.

[@kaypete8471]

@@thatvideogamesshow yeah I had good memories with my brothers and friends when playing that game

[@kronnusalpha8480]

Man... This channel really need more views... Such great work...

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Appreciate that man 🙂

[@XpRnz]

Such a great list, i played about 80% of them and they are all fantastic in their own right. I truly miss the uniqueness some of these titles had, back when developers didn't have much examples to base their games on in the beginning of the 3D age, they had to work with the tools and ideas they had and make the best of it and the flavors of some games just can't be reproduced today.

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Thanks for watching!

[@mickeysteven9465]

So weird to think that this is now considered an art style in video games and it used to be the standard. I was born in 97 but my older cousin had an n64 and I get fever dreams when I think of sarges heroes or super mario 64. I miss that era.

[@Phantron]

for FPS fans, I recommend 007 The World is not Enough, and Turok 3 :)

[@TheZestyCar]

Star Wars Battle for Naboo is another great game. Definitely underrated.

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Thanks for the suggestion 🙂

[@markhenry2726]

Hybrid Heaven was not only one of the few rpgs of the system, but it was truly unique. The scifi atmosphere isn't something totally fresh of course, but the tone and feel of the game is so strange, dark, cold, sometimes surreal. The story is engaging and has several plot twists, gradually finding yourself in the middle of a cosmic conspiracy leading to an alien invasion. I loved it back in the day and I think it's truly criminally underrated.

[@tylermabry6881]

As far as Quest 64 is concerned, one other game used a very similar combat system, but added in graphics and story. Aidyn Chronicles: The First Mage. Give it a go if you like the idea of quest but would enjoy much more depth to the story and characters, party composition similar to Shining Force, and more involved gameplay mechanics. Has a pen and paper DnD vibe to it.

[@kreios2193]

Have you played the modded versions?

[@joesshows6793]

Beatle racing is fantastic! Couldn’t believe how good at the time. It literally wins you over when playing cause you don’t really want it to be good

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Such a good racer!

[@guitaraobscura8802]

Love Mystical Ninja, I would argue Goemon's Great Adventure is even more underrated on the console

[@thejervis86]

Agreed

[@CoryCDS]

Im gonna check a few of these out forsure. Im really glad i somehow got mischief makers as a kid. N64 and Gamecube are my favorite games, best game play when creators cared about quality games and not just online multiplayer

[@LewdTuna]

Mischief Makers mention, this is a win for the fans.

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Such a solid platformer!

[@Rodrigo_B_Lima]

Nice video, dude. That's the first time that I saw Snowboard Kids 2 in one video and in my opinion that's the best race game of Nintendo 64. That's real hidden gem of Nintendo 64. Futhermore, Goemon 2 is 10/10 also, like, Snowboard Kids 2, but the people don't know nothing about this game.

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Such a great snowboarding game!

[@Simoss13]

Another great list. I used to enjoy Glover back in the day. But you always find something that I haven't heard of but grabs my interest

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Thanks Simoss!

[@kaypete8471]

You should have mentioned if you want a gran turismo on the n64 , it’s world driver championship 🏁

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Thanks for the suggestion, I’ll add it for part 2!

[@MetalJody1990]

Yes!

[@Gooner333333333]

But was it underrated?

[@Nortic111]

"Heeelllp meee Marinaaaa!!!" I hadn't even thought of Mischief Makers in years! The best of memories.

[@RealmsofPixelation]

Loved Turok 2. Always saw it as a way more fun Goldeneye.

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Love me some Turok!

[@SoupyMittens]

That first game had really good looking backgrounds and a really high poly count for an N64 game

[@noxiusobvious4239]

I like how in _Mace - The Dark Age_ everyone fights Lord Deimos, including Lord Deimos.

[@Des_Zee]

If you can make me interested in games for a system I never cared about, you know you're doing a good job. Great video💯

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Thanks Des!

[@corey2232]

Battle Tanx & its sequel Global Assault deserve a mention! Those were some of the most fun multiplayer games of the generation

[@IWatchAnime92]

Solid list and I'm surprised I finished 2 of them. Given how tough it was to play Mace & Quest. Good old frustrating days. If they remake Quest 64 today, then It'd be called Dark Souls lol Also my must shill pick for this video, When it comes to this 3D era shift console. Is definitely *Star Soldier: Vanishing Earth* . A Shmup I genuinely gave more play time than all my Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time replays. The game had all the tools to create a very satisfying and addicting experience. I think overall it's a great starting point for anyone trying to get into this difficult genre. Currently getting Switch ports of some of the more cult classic and difficult titles made by Cave. Shmups much like 2D Metroidvania tend to always age well from my experience.

[@ShadowXMewtwo]

N64 visuals always bring me back to a better place.... Nothing to worry about. Just having fun.

[@erinmccarthy6434]

I literally grew up with the N64 (it was my first console) and I never heard of most of these games! The only one on the list was snowboard kids2 and we rented that one. Although we where very poor and I had 3 other siblings we only owned Mario 64 and the rest of the games we played was rented from the local video store.

[@awesomereviews1561]

Goemon games on N64 are so good. Amazing OST as well.

[@carlosbarba2827]

I had the opportunity of playing Hybrid Heaven and it was an awesome game, so challenging and entertaining. Thanks for the good memories.

[@bok3rnes425]

All this underrated n64 games are actually great. Thanks for this great list TVGS ❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@contrabandresearch8409]

Another great N64 game is Duke Nukem Zero Hour.

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Great suggestion, I’ll add it for part 2!

[@NukeA6]

A great game with a fatal flaw: no checkpoints.

[@MetalJody1990]

​@@NukeA6 I had the luxury of using save states and still didn't care for that game. Didn't get very far tho, so perhaps I should give it another chance.

[@NukeA6]

@@MetalJody1990 If you played long enough to see some time-traveling, maybe the game isn't for you. It happens. The Statue of Liberty is a last stop for many though and I even think it's the worst level in the game.

[@DonaldPrevie]

If you’re a fan of the Donkey Kong Country franchise, Goemon’s Great Adventure, (the second title for the n64), is also a really overlooked and phenomenal game. It mostly foregoes 3D exploration to be a fast paced 2.5D platformer. Also, ngl, I really wanted to like Quest 64, but it’s a real stinker imo.

[@WesDoesGames]

0:15- Mace The Dark Age 2:05- Mischief Makers 03:58- Beetle Adventure Racing 05:52- Hybrid Heaven 07:47- Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon 09:55- Space Station Silicon Valley 11:40- Custom Robo 13:20- Snowboard Kids 2 15:05- Quest 64 16:53- Sin and Punishment

[@fieryalbino]

I had a lot of fun playing Space Station Silicon Valley back in the day. Mace: The Dark Age was also fun to play at my friend's house.

[@davidrodgers9382]

Ur right, those ARE extremely underrated games!! Surprised Killer Instinct Gold, Doom 64, or Duke Nukem didn't make the list. Those are some AWESOME games, too!

[@stang6552]

Snowboard kids 1 & 2 has huge replay ability.

[@kitsunemetal]

Hybrid heaven is such a fun game i play it once in a while and i love how the grapples are all wrestling moves like the brainbuster back suplex figure four leglock and others quest 64 isn't a bad game once you know what you are doing and custom robo got a sequel on the gamecube with the same gameplay mechanic.

[@Judex1963]

Sin and Punishment is a goose egg sized diamond of a game. It's the stuff of legend. That game has you flying around in the sky on a telekinetically controlled piece of scrap metal ripped from a battleship while proceeding to destroy an entire fleet by shooting at it with your handgun and deflecting missiles back at it with said handgun which doubles as a lazer-sword. And while the game is shredding a meanderingly fitting fusion-rock it pushes forward a so increasingly convoluted story, you end up fighting as a mutant colossus standing towering on planet earth, shooting an onslaught of nuclear warheads, tornadoes and meteorites back at the final boss planet that fires them at you. These are only some of the highlights. It's a perfect blend of impressively stylized 5th generation graphics, expertly crafted and demanding gameplay, awesome and over-the-top set pieces, heckish replayability, finely aged cheese-y soundtrack, and a heavy dose of that wonderful arcade feel. It's dated in the best way possible. It's the greatest rail shooting game. It's so obviously the best, I won't even bother to argue about it. I won't.

[@jiraiya0698]

Goemon it's truly a great game that no one knows even exist

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Deserves way more love!

[@XpRnz]

I know! I loved it to death back then.. it has one of the best soundtracks on the system, did u know there was a second one as well? It's called Goemon's Great Adventure, It's a 2.5D type of game and definitely just as good.

[@TheObserver85]

Nice list of games👍 Surprised Quest 64 was on here. Mainly because gaming mags back then, crapped on that game. Looking forward to part 2.

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Thanks Observer!

[@SkyScourgeGod]

Quest 64 is definitely better than most people give it credit for. Mind you it's not exactly an amazing RPG especially compared to other more well-known titles, but there are FAR worse games out there. Quest 64 is certainly worth a playthrough if you have an N64.

[@TrevinAdams]

​@@SkyScourgeGod Quest 64 was definitely an interesting experience when it came out. There weren't many, if any, JRPGs with the immersive world that Quest had from a graphical standpoint. The battle system and magic leveling system were also interesting, despite the simplicity of the overall mechanics compared to other games in the genre. That said, I'd be very curious to hear how someone who didn't grow up with an N64 felt about it playing it today.

[@SkyScourgeGod]

@@TrevinAdams I'm pretty sure a person in that kind of scenario would have nothing but complaints about Quest 64 or even any N64 game in general. The N64 isn't as loved by the retro community as it should be since most people tend to complain about how badly the console has aged. That's honestly a real shame because the N64 is an awesome console even if you take off the nostalgia glasses. These days you have to appreciate the N64 for what it is instead of comparing it to everything else like a lot of people tend to do. 😟

[@CapnRetro]

Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon remains my #1 favourite N64 exclusive title ♥

[@worldsboss]

I played Beetle Adventure Racing back in the day. I absolutely loved it

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Such a great racer!

[@kaypete8471]

Yeah it needs to be on the switch online service

[@FinalFrantasy]

Hybrid looks interesting! But man Custom Robo on Gamecube was one of my favorites

[@michaelmulligan-nufer186]

Good God I loved Mischief Makers and Snowboard Kids 2 as a kid! Me and my foster family used to go down to my local Hollywood Video and rent them constantly. Also, two games that're underrated classics imho are both Bomberman games on the N64. #2's cartridge is especially hard to find, but if you can get them, get them. They're worth every penny.

[@Gooner333333333]

I used to buy the Official Nintendo magazine and they were so harsh on some games that the N64 magazine rated highly. So i missed out on a lot of these

[@OnslaughterEx]

Fighter Destiny 1 and 2 are really underated games too. Each carácter have about 40 moves like Tekken. Reversals, counters, sidewalk, stances, aerial combos and tons od moves to unlock for each character (to make above 40)

[@CarlosBehrens3D]

Great video as always! I have a love/hate relationship with Quest 64. On one hand I love it because my mom gifted it to me before I had Zelda OoT and I played it with my brother so it brings a lot of nostalgia. But on the other hand, I tried playing it recently and seriously the insane amount of random battles is too much. There is a "fire" level where you have to cross a tunnel and there´s like 30 battles in a row. It gets annoying and too difficult really quick

[@tomsoya]

Aside from some of these, my picks would be: Diddy Kong Racing, Gauntlet Legends, and Jet Force Gemini

[@jaake6019]

Sin & Punishment was awesome. I remember playing that on the Wii Virtual Console.

[@p.c.4518]

I think Mystical Ninja is one of the best games in the console history and one of the best N64 ones. It was one of my first N64 games , 26 years ago. I' ve been playing and finishing it every year multiple times since I was a kid, as for other N64 games (Zelda OOT, Mario 64). I'm quite a nostalgic guy, but those games are masterpieces and they have always something to learn to the newer ones

[@greenfalcon5132]

أنا مستخدم للبلايستيشن1 و2 منذو أكثر من 23 عام ولم يسبق لي أن أقتني على نينتيندو 64 لكن أرى أن ألعابه رائعة وجميلة .

[@robinbourke1230]

Great video, love the higher resolution visuals!

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@AndrewAviles]

This is a solid list, if Switch gets half of these onto the upgraded sub, I will be on board. To this list I would add Buck Bumble, Blast Corps, and Glover (though I think that was multi-platform).

[@brazilianmegaman258]

Great video, some prime choices.

[@rga1605]

Beetle Adventure Racing was amazing

[@Nycat15]

Your voice along with the great music, are very relaxing.

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Thank you! 😊

[@retrorobbgaming]

Your channel gives me so much joy!!

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Thanks Sef!

[@CasepbX]

My cousin and I rented every one of these games, but I did own Beetle Adventure Racing. Oh also never knew about Sin and Punishment because it was Japan only.

[@rbatesmotel]

Video was worth it just for the Sin and Punishment shout out. Shame it didnt come to the States. Must play

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Such a great game!

[@NYCJoeBlack]

Sin and Punishment almost came to the states. The game was done and it was in the process of being packaged to ship, but TPTB decided against it at the last minute. I remember clearly, because I was following it’s release and I was pssted to all hell. I ended up importing the Japanese version which is in English (since it was supposed to come to the US). So, I was only half upset. Luckily, I already had a converter for my Nintendo 64 to be able to play the game.

[@ChicCanyon]

Mischief Makers is a game id rent on repeat. I dont know who has the rights but id love to see it ported over to anything i can play today

[@thatvideogamesshow]

I’ll second that!

[@thatvideogamesshow]

I’ll second that!

[@Ashi8No8Yubi]

I just came to make sure that goemon and mischief makers made it in the list.

[@CragusMaximus]

Mischief makers is iconic to me and my friends because of such quirky sounds and voices "SHAKE SHAKE". We had a great time with it but got stuck on a lava level I think? And could never move on :( I sold my copy back in like, 2013/14? And do regret it. I had Goemon too as an adult around 2011/12? And couldn't get into it so I sold that too eventually but made good profit on that one! Sin & punishment was cool but I only owned the Wii version which was a complete once and done for me

[@Rodrigo_B_Lima]

Snowboard kids 2 is the best race game of Nintendo 64; a real piece of art that people don't know.

[@HavelsRing96]

Didn't know custom robo was on N64. Neat.

[@Darak88]

Mate no word of a lie snowboard kids was my jam my cousin and I spent so many hours on this absolutely cracking game

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Such a fun game!

[@Geomaverick124]

Quest 64 was fun...The 1st boss was harder than last one though lol It just felt incomplete that they rushed out to work on Legend of Zelda

[@joesunday199]

I would loved to see Flying Dragon on the list. It's very underrated in my opinion.

[@esperago]

Thanks for the list. You've re-piqued my interest in 'Sin and Punishment '. Question: Can the aiming be inverted, specifically the Y axis? If it can't then the game would be dead to me because my brain malfunctions with default aiming settings.

[@Joehok4ever]

Yes you can invert the aim if I remember clear

[@jbk19xx57]

Sin And Punishment’s OST is BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@godchi1dvonsteuben770]

@ 00:16 Mace the Dark Age didn't "share a lot in common with Soul Calibur," it was a direct Soul Calibur clone. N64 developers spent a lot of time cloning Dreamcast games.

[@FTChomp9980]

Mischief Makers deserves to be remade on the Switch! Chameleon Twist 1 and 2 deserves a remaster on the Switch! Mystical Ninja starring Goemon and Goemon Adventures both deserve remakes! Seriously these underrated games made my childhood fun! And in my opinion the best N64 games on the system.

[@thatvideogamesshow]

I’d love to see mischief makers on modern systems!

[@nessianz4730]

All those games on nintendo online service, wish more for goemon or goemon games collection cmon konami

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Would love to see a Goemon collection!

[@SoundAussie]

Great selection. I'm always a little disappointed when lists like this don't include Iggys wrecking balls- hugely addictive gameplay for a third party title. Great video all the same ♥

[@Coyoda]

Wait, you have to stop at a tea house to switch characters in Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon? I thought you can just switch on the fly with the downC-button? Then they poof into smoke into the next character.

[@Eat_like_Irving]

It seems he made a mistake, switching characters at a tea house is from the second game Goemon's Great Adventure.

[@Coyoda]

​@@Eat_like_Irving Aha, yeah I thought that sounded familiar.

[@AnthonyRiddle]

Shadow of the Empire is a pretty good forgotten N64 game.

[@Shadow11614]

Castlevania Legacy of Darkness is an underrated title I recommend.... it got overlooked due to the previous game (castlevania 64) with it's flaws, legacy of darkness fixed everything.

[@moziz212ny]

I could never get past the racing level in mischief maker

[@SECONDQUEST]

I wonder if mischief makers is at all related to silhouette mirage. Their use of the grab and prerendered graphics make me think so.

[@davidmunoz6897]

Quest64 battle system is quite rare, the only thing that comes to mind is Magna Cartha The phamtom avalanche.

[@thatvideogamesshow]

I’ll have to check that one out 🙂

[@grinbrothers]

To be honest, you could probably put any decent N64 game that wasn't made by Nintendo or Rare on this list; when people think of N64, they to think of those two companies' game output more exclusively. As for your first comment regarding fighting games on the N64, I've actually discovered that there are quite a few fighters on the N64. Some of them of questionable quality, but plenty of fighters for sure. 2:09 - Happy to say I do own Mischief Makers now. Funny enough, almost everyone of these underrated/obscure N64 game videos I see end up mentioning Mischief Makers. 4:01 - Funny enough, Beetle Adventure Racing is the other N64 game I often see pop up in these types of videos, but I'm not managed to stumble upon it. 7:27 - Yeah... Hybrid Heaven is a weird one. I've never played it myself but I remember watching my eldest brother play it and child me could barely comprehend what was going on with it's story. 8:42 - Ah, Mystical Ninja Goemon... easily one of my favourite N64 games. I'd say it's bigger flaw though is needing an N64 memory card. Those things were never easy to get a hold of back in the day and are even harder to find now. With both Custom Robo and Sin & Punishment on here, it interesting to see a couple Japanese exclusive games in this video. Do their cartridges have English language options?

[@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701]

Finally a *GREAT* Choice of N64 Games! 👍

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Thanks Jag!

[@JordiumZ]

Sin and Punishment is my favourite N64 game

[@Vffhndsercchi]

Thank you so much!

[@gerardolavin4825]

I loved hybrid heaven, hte game play and history was amazing

[@slanderman3296]

I miss the days of the 64 .going to blockbuster to rent games like wcw world tour and goemon

[@TheRoninteam]

great video as always!

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Thanks mate!

[@alexamerling79]

I love Mischief Makers!

[@jhkuno88]

Nice emulator footage you have there, its worth billions

[@GameBoyGuru555]

Diddy Kong racing (though respected) feels extremely underrated. If you have best it you know what I mean