The #1 Thing Holding You Back in Destiny PvP

[@PattycakesGaming]

Should I do a part 2 on game sense?? Watch this next! 5 Essential PvP Tips for Destiny 2 kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWa6eYZpmN-Eg5o

[@jeremyemerson]

yes

[@lukeloroz5624]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaas

[@eclipsedigi]

please and thank you!

[@MrAhmer]

Sure man. I get lost let's say in the middle of a game on Twilight gap. Where do I go next? How do I set up an engagement when it seems like chaos? How do I avoid an easy death? Etc? I play mostly sixes and I have moments where I can predict but it blurs into a nightmare pretty quick.

[@fifthcylinder]

yesh

[@Alexisasancation]

0:56 cleanest transition ever

[@iamrazor9831]

I had to watch it again just how good that was damn

[@LifeOfGenesis]

I was taken aback by how smooth it was. VERY well done

[@Synrune]

I see these kind of comments all the time every time a animation transition is used. Those kind of transitions are really easy and quick to do and aren't really that impressive. They definitely make the video look good but are not hard at all to do, literally just take the same frame from an animation from 2 different points of your footage and change the footage on the next frame of the animation. I did this once with a reload animation and it's easy to do.

[@Fadegalaxy-mv4mp]

@@Synrune bruh calm down let people complement the creator

[@Synrune]

@@Fadegalaxy-mv4mp hey I don't want you to take this the wrong way. Nothing wrong with complimenting the creator for that I was just trying to explain to people how those are made and how they're not hard to do so maybe they'll want to try and do them if they ever edit a video. My commet was made in more of a "yo guys this isn't that hard to do you can do it too" way you know.

[@hyusi5090]

0:53 why is that so clean

[@barackobama6858]

Only KZbinr to actually help me improve my skills

[@p_squaredd8323]

Check out Ascendent Nomad

[@juststevoo]

@@p_squaredd8323 came here to say this

[@jermanvillegas3237]

@@juststevoo same lmao

[@nandoe8692]

0:59 that was the cleanest transition I’ve see

[@ShadowDestiny]

I think the distinction between tactics and strategy is really important because sometimes people focus on one or the other too much. The cues section was nice, I think people underestimate how much info you can gain from those. Excellent video

[@PattycakesGaming]

Thanks! It's a big picture idea and I think it takes time to fully grasp the differences between the two. I'm definitely guilty of mostly focusing on tactics, while players like Cammy are much more strategic

[@mohammedgaddal]

Patty I appreciate your hard work. Keep up the great content

[@dustinkline6549]

That Goldie transition @ 1:00 was legit. Nice editing sir.

[@senorpotatoiii3267]

"I should probably get to work on some school stuff now..." sees pattycakes video in my recommended I'll get it done eventually

[@jaredjohns9302]

Omg same

[@djphillips17]

his movement @21:14 with the sliding is beautiful defintely need to learn that

[@liamchiswell7338]

Yo that transition with the golden gun was clean af

[@TheBigSleazy]

You did a great job on this video. A lot of similar vids talk about game sense in a general way of using your “experience” to help you win fights/matches. The examples you give with the radar cues etc are so much better. During the second review where you mentioned that a better team would have punished the reckless play, it would be interesting to know WHAT the better opponents would have done to counter, even though the actual opponents lost the engagement. This could potentially be really helpful. Just an idea. Keep up the great work

[@PattycakesGaming]

Thanks! the main thing I think better players would have done is use their movement to create distance so they wouldn't be in shotgun range when they saw a titan flying at them. It's much harder to shotgun an experienced player because they can often see it coming

[@xwinchester_64]

Pleas do more of these. Absolutely love the frame by frame breakdown so we can see what was done well and what could have been done better.

[@FlyyKaRizZmA]

The power of “jetlag” (fast moving hunter aping through walls) can only be bested by you lagging with them.

[@truthagent7605]

Love the golden gun transition

[@infiniteboredom9642]

19:25 can we take a moment to appreciate that name cast combo in the kill feed

[@sovietsquidward3575]

I'm a PVE nerd but wanting to get up to a 1.3KD (seasonal that is) right now I think I am around a 1.0. These vids have been very useful, and it's been very helpful to hear these insights. Thank s Patty!

[@MrPinkpanzer]

Acknowledging the other content made on this topic and giving your own unique take was the play. Well done. Looking forward to more. As an aside: I'm glad people are comfortable posting their gameplay. I don't have that kind of confidence.

[@SubaIicious]

ahhh tyty for involving me

[@puuurgatoryplays8736]

Shouldve included me for lack of game sense smh my head

[@barackobama6858]

Can’t wait until season 15 when we get that trails rework and no three peaking

[@nanaiyagarcia8010]

That screen transition at 0:57 was beautiful

[@novanation5870]

(I'm editing this comment multiple times) I've been subconsciously learning the spawns without even knowing it and I've been making plays according to where people spawn. I tend to stay by my teammates in Survival if I know they all spawned at the same area in the map and I can't fight 3 people alone unless I get 1 or 2 sniper picks. Edit: I also tend to record my gameplay so I can watch it back and review what I did right and wrong and what I should continue to practice. I'd say I'm improving very fast and that's because I have tremendous motivation to improve.

[@jacobyirrell3615]

0:55 transition nutty

[@Frank-ul4zp]

Just a suggestion but not sure if it would be causing too much...there's eye tracking tools that could enable viewer to see what's you are looking at I think that would provide a good idea on what should be a player focusing on (whether it's your radar or your aim crosshair)

[@joris_db]

Communication is imo the most important thing to do to figure out what is probably happening next

[@AdeptusSpikey]

just like to say thank you. i recently came across your videos for improving pvp and watched so much of your videos and have put your advice into my play and saw a big improvement in my game play. thank you. 👍😎

[@thechampionawesome1574]

Patty but what if I can't record my gameplay on my potato. Or if my problem is just constantly facing pros or having 1/3 their fps.

[@Moose_Hawkins]

Do you have any advice for players with sensory issues? I've been trying to improve my game sense but having an extremely hard time because I just get overwhelmed with all the information on screen at once

[@Sylar382]

Love the content. Easy to digest but feels like I’m improving by huge amounts

[@Suknmy]

Been a hunter since D1 just started using a warlock and I integrated these tips alongside the warlock top tree Dawn blade video and let me tell you I’ve never been this good, thank you so much Patty! 😭👌

[@wesleischaefer1176]

I needed this video, thanks patty ❤️

[@conordaly449]

What was the heavy weapon at 5:17?

[@_hyprdude]

that snipe at 9:07 was *chef kiss*

[@wkgates]

Your ideas are more fleshed-out and articulated than 99% of what can be found on youtube. Easy to believe you are an ex-engineer. Also: Strategy? Tactics? Someone has a history with the royal game 🙃

[@PattycakesGaming]

Haha thanks! Yeah I studied mech/aerospace engineering in school and worked as an engineer for a few years before I got into marketing... then somehow ended up as a KZbinr 😂

[@wkgates]

@@PattycakesGaming about to graduate as an ME myself; Maybe I'll end up on youtube lol 😂

[@DieselRevered]

Thank you for all these great videos! I have learned a lot from your content.

[@PattycakesGaming]

Awesome!

[@DieselRevered]

@@PattycakesGaming I'm about to apply this in a few minutes.

[@fatkidfromup2731]

I would also like to add this tactic I use if u kill someone as soon as they pop super check kill feed to see if it popped up that they used it if it shows up u know they don't have super

[@DoveBreadestOfBirds]

I enjoyed the inclusion of a clip from a lesser experienced player, an experienced one and a great player. I also enjoyed the analytic points of the lesser- and experienced player, however I felt like I was longing for some explanation for the great player, and why his "move" was the correct one, specifically for the dawnblade kill. From what you explained during the video is that in most cases, popping a super is a really strong move, and hard to defend against. Subalicious counter-move, was solely relying on his ability to shoot, as far as I could understand, and I think it would be nice to include this point, and perhaps mentioning that, if you feel less confident in your sniping ability, a different, good, move in this scenario would've been X or Y. (Especially if your main focus is tactics, and not aim) Great video, would love a part 2 :)

[@PattycakesGaming]

Thanks! I should have given a bit more detail on that part I agree. I have a series of “biggest mistakes” that goes into more detail you might enjoy and I’ll probably do a part 2 on this series sometime in the future

[@DoveBreadestOfBirds]

@@PattycakesGaming looking forward to it!

[@anms_brk]

So this is why I sometimes can call out when enemies will use their super, and play around that. Sweet.

[@PattycakesGaming]

Yep! Or when you can predict a push, or a spawn, or anything

[@mizelf5807]

Do you think you could maybe try and set up an eye tracker and play a game or two of trials? I know I have a problem using all on screen information

[@PattycakesGaming]

I’d love to try one sometime

[@gunjinyi2098]

what is the cloak of the hunter in the thumbnail? Looks pretty dope

[@kenziesawyer1025]

Thx man, my team is triple stasis triple chaperone triple igneous for trials, we can get to 3 or 4 wins 0 losses but then lose, this will help

[@HeataveGaming]

As someone who frequently plays chess and destiny this is making me think of destiny in such a different way. In destiny I’m fairly defensive of a player, fairly reserved. But in chess if you play like that you’ll end up constantly having to defend Pericles and material instead of gaining, unless you set up some sort of trap. But it’s almost always best to attack in a safe but also constant way always having your opponent on the back foot without risking a piece to do it

[@daquinz]

You're sick with the sniper. Would be awesome if you could make a video on how to improve your sniper skills. It'd be a lot of aim skill in play of course, but maybe you'd have some tips on placements, in which situations to use it, good snipers to use and perks, and even what ADS sensitivity you're using etc. Appreciate the content, learned some good stuff from your videos :)

[@PattycakesGaming]

I have a number of sniping videos on my channel you might like :)

[@daquinz]

@@PattycakesGaming Oh damn, just found your 49 minute long sniping guide video. Gonna watch it right away :D

[@kimto97]

Hey bro, no hate here but when you’re speaking I can sometimes hear this “clicking” sound? Not sure if it’s intentional or not but figured I’d let you know!

[@adrift8871]

Thanks to your tips, I finally made Legend in competitive after 4 season trying!

[@cartergiacomelli2364]

Bro the 7 kill golden gun clip was insane

[@curtisbryant6252]

I have seen him play. Elite movement skills and accuracy seem to him help out as well.

[@KINGREAPER950]

Can we take a min to talk about the golden gun transition at about the 0:55

[@bananawarlock3981]

I think what holds me back the most in PvP is the fact that I am quite brainless. I don't know the thought process involved in surviving and winning a Crucible match and even how to start it, or what it is for that matter. And even when I try and think to myself every move to execute during a match, it never lasts long until I switch to "brainless mode" per se. I don't know how to use my head, simply put. Which is most likely why I find myself almost constant outskilled, but now overwhelmingly so for 1 month or so. Not sure if I ELO went up or what, but I went from winning almost half of my matches to losing 80 to 90% of them, even when I do well and and on top of my team's board.

[@rjdmoxy]

what are the shaders on those armor pieces in the thumbnail i gotta know

[@PattycakesGaming]

Metro shift

[@ajx4]

5:20 Rest in Piece, Meltdown 2017-2020

[@pascal9470]

oh my god i needed this video for other games besides destiny. keep up the good work ^.^

[@jonathanh.2483]

This information is incredible! I didn’t even know that the radar had an elevation indicator as well. Now if only I had the ability to do something with this knowledge...I know what needs to be done, but unfortunately lack the skill to execute it!

[@ForeverLaxx]

To be fair, it's sometimes hard to even notice the elevation difference in a fast-paced game, especially since Bungie went out of their way to make the radar as imprecise as possible.

[@M1thicaI]

Thank you so much patty cakes all your tips are amazingly helpful!

[@PattycakesGaming]

Glad it's helpful :)

[@jacobthereceiver3975]

How do i better my aim

[@wlySayal]

what shader do you use to make your gun rainbow?

[@PattycakesGaming]

Iridescent Coral

[@adored8810]

that golden gun transition! SHEESH

[@lucianovidiu2511]

The radar is not working if they have network problem so you need to hear the move

[@Bubby-Johnson]

What AR is that

[@iTs_Mezz]

What is that shader on your Igneous ?

[@PattycakesGaming]

Iridescent Coral

[@iTs_Mezz]

@@PattycakesGaming TY!

[@phoenix5029]

should you do make a second Game Sense video, I ask this question: *"out of all the information you (and others) mentioned, the radar, the firing angles, the kill feed, the audio cues, and so on... which of these can you afford to not actively stay appraised on and not get overwhelmed?"* I can easily claim that the kill feed doesn't matter as much if you can hear a super or sword, for example. I mean... the "where should I even start" segment is probably the most important bit of advice for someone like me, because after you listed all the information to keep track of as well as note the difference between a longer term strategy and shorter term tactic... frankly, all the stuff to remember to be aware of is flat out overwhelming... and... well, I've made an effort to study competitive fighting games to understand what the hell the big people are talking about. my main issue is just that, getting overwhelmed by having to keep track of everything ON TOP of trying to be a competent shot in the moment(I don't think aim trainers like Kovaaks would be something I'd personally get invested in).

[@PattycakesGaming]

Great suggestion!

[@phoenix5029]

@@PattycakesGaming Thanks. I figure I aught to mention that when you described "Game Sense" as being vital to improvement, but not something that's easy to describe completely, it reminded me of the discussion of the Neutral Game in fighters. As I'm sure you know, understanding Neutral is vital to success... but if you asked people (or sought out videos here on KZbin) to describe it in detail, no two answers are the same. Thankfully, there is enough overlap that, oftentimes, firsthand experience and some discussion with other players fills in the gaps on someone's personal understanding. Might make an interesting interview topic down the road...

[@loganberrywooo]

You’re such a helpful youtuber!

[@CrochCrochc]

I would love to be better in pvp but my pc can only do 26 frames max for desitny 2

[@spooglegoose]

my favorite part about destiny is where i attempt to mate my opponent but then their king slides around the corner with a shotgun and one bangs me

[@Painadesu]

To answer the question in the beginning for fun, yes so I can try and come up with ways to counter it before hand. Oh yeah also great video professor Pattycakes.

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

So many pulse rifles in this video. I love it! If you havent tried a time worn spire with iron grip yet you need to. I have a slideways iron grip one and man I love it.

[@PattycakesGaming]

Pulse rifle tier list coming soon!! I'm excited to start testing all of them on stream :)

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

@@PattycakesGaming I honestly believe pulses counter 120 Hc's. They can peak fire like 120s and do very similar damage and range. Sometimes even more range.

[@overwatchclone6125]

Okay so I'm a console player and there's something that's really been nagging me playing with a controller. What's Bungies reason for having limited sensitivity settings? Like my sensitivity in other games is much higher, and I feel like I get outgunned by people who play in air because I can't move up fast enough to challenge. And I also don't like the fact I have to use traction to increase my sensitivity. 1. I have to use a mod slot to fit it in and 2. I can't change my ads move speed which messes me up in gun fights. If anyone has any sort of official statement from Bungie I'd love to read it because I couldn't find anything

[@donaldolivier6786]

0:56 someone learned some new editing tricks >:)

[@PattycakesGaming]

haha I've had that one up my sleeve for a while, just found a fun place to use it

[@andruuu4649]

10:49 Cheater: Hold my beer

[@cantanuh]

I already have game sense mechs and aim almost perfected in most fps games I play I just have a garbage pc and can only get around 80 fps

[@ziroeye1667]

Bro watching Ahamkara was frustration lol, all love though

[@KiteoHatto]

I just dont understand understand where to look...

[@Lividmango]

This info is golden

[@PattycakesGaming]

What was most helpful for you?

[@byronichero2213]

I have no idea how people use top tree gooden gun. For me it never lasts for more than one kill

[@MunthirS]

2:04 How do you know I'm better than that? I'm struggling dude I am da poopoo 😭

[@PattycakesGaming]

haha it was a joke, use whatever you enjoy :)

[@Vis80842]

After playing trials for a weekend and getting railed, i genuinely think that good PvP players are just wired differently; low neuroticism, intuition, competetiveness, arrogance, adaptability, ability to execute or improvise complex strategies like muscle memory. I'm not trashing, just impressed by how good some players are.

[@AT-ob8xr]

Nah they’re so arrogant on console, they think they’re insane bc they can go flawless with revenant

[@dredgenbean6299]

Dude, your target acquisition scares me more than the Presage.

[@dredgenbean6299]

Also if D2 is chess, then I am currently a pawn. Damn near useless, but great potential.

[@icey984]

Great video... now make a video on “ How to fix my latency “

[@hitherez_2925]

Love you Patty!

[@CakeEqualsLie1]

Ok but “you can also know if the player is above or below you based on the opacity of the indicator” W H A T how did I not know this

[@fifthcylinder]

Me, trying to listen but mesmerized by the gameplay: "wait, what did he just say?" fack

[@zer0nelothar895]

Skipped all steps turned into monke crayon ape

[@harlanmuthoora8867]

This helped my friend become a pro

[@mmmosh4360]

Good video

[@spunky5176]

I didn't even realize i was in the vid lol

[@hivas2crazee]

I share these vids to help me and friends

[@ForeverLaxx]

"Destiny is like chess." You must play a weird game of chess, then. Normally when I play chess, when my pawns reach the other side of the board they don't make all the captured Bishops, Rooks, and Knights appear behind my King for a free win.

[@raf4097]

Yeah usually the opponent pawns don’t spam stasis grenades either

[@wkgates]

Eh, analogies are never perfect. I think he does a good job explaining the parallels he sees between the two games.

[@ForeverLaxx]

@@wkgates I was mostly just making a joke about how my teams constantly flip the spawns.

[@wkgates]

@@ForeverLaxx ahhh lol

[@jeremyjamesjohnsonjasonjan1688]

this nerdy af , i like it

[@grimreaper63151]

Usually when I play pvp I try to stick with my teammates for numbers advantage. Tho I usually get put on teams using either auto rifles or pulse rifles. Which is bad since most of the enemy teams I fight almost always use felwinters or 120 hand cannons. So we usually get pubstomped anyway. I'd use a shotgun myself but I'm not that good with them. Same with most hand cannons. Don't know why but in crucible I have a hard time getting headshots with hand cannons, Except for last word, igneous at times and crimson. Oh and can't forget malfeasance. most other hand cannons feel like a slapping machine. not good with snipers either. Best guns I'm good with would be auto's, scouts, and pulses. Shame I can't use what I want tho in crucible anymore. If I wanna do good I have to use a hand cannon or a shotgun and I hate that, that's the case

[@caidenmartel461]

I joined the DC let's goo

[@MaximumRabbit]

The number one thing holding me back in Destiny 2 PvP is aim. All the strategery and tactics in the world can't mitigate the cartoon outline I paint around Guardians' heads. Even shotguns find a way to miss in my hands.

[@andreamcdevitt8484]

0:56 S M O O T H

[@shinigami951002]

I'm going to get a tattoo with all of the script from the video maybe that way I can finally learn because really sxxk in the crucible T-T like a lot

[@PattycakesGaming]

I’ll send it to you 😂

[@joranvandenberg2115]

"A good player wins their 1's. A skilled player won't take them"

[@METALGRAMMYS]

NICE

[@croz2258]

I predict losing to cheaters every flawless game, does that count?

[@brydoris6047]

The only thing holding me back is not using Hunter revenant.

[@dustinrhodes4189]

Best strategy is pray to be host never lets me down

[@kollow]

Strategy: Get at least one kill. Yeah, I'm that bad. 😬

[@Tr1s]

Yeah I have an example of my half decent game sense on my channel for posteritys sake.