The 2020 Toyota 86 Hakone Edition is a Nearly Flawless Stunner - One Take

Is the Toyota 86 still one of the best all-rounders available to people who love driving? It's not without flaws, of course, but the collective pros are hard to ignore. This one, the 2020 Hakone Edition, has a dazzling color and a spruced up interior.
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[@TheSmokingTire]

What do you all think about the 86/FR-S/BRZ?

[@kapokee]

its ok would not get one though cause there are better cars around like 350z, 370z, silvia, supra, skyline... etc

[@falcongamer58]

Well balanced budget level sports car, lacks in acceleration but very agile in the corners Toyota's version is slightly over designed, good to use as a project car, great for tuning, aftermarket support is strong It's an all-around budget sports car Engine sound isn't good enough 7/10 as is 10/10 potential for a dream build

[@MrBeams707]

I love the 370 but I would still take my BRZ over one. The clutch on the 370 is heavy compared to the BRZ which makes it a pain to daily in the city or rush hour traffic. It has a huge blind spot in the entire back end. It has a heavy feel to it compared to the BRZ. You can feel the extra weight while turning. The plus for the 370 is power and stock tires are much wider therefore grip is awesome. And I absolutely hate the 370 shifter. It is sloppy compared to the brz. The BRZ shifter is direct and reminds me of a bolt action rifle. You know exactly what gear you are going into. Steering is also on point. I wish I could have both cars. A 370 is a much better track car stock for stock. And I would never ever buy a new brz. It is definitely not worth it!

[@falcongamer58]

@@MrBeams707 the 370Z is outdated

[@lynxis]

I love my BRZ but I won't recommend anyone buy one new at 30k. A clean 2013-16 with around 100k miles can be had for less than 10k or you can get a 2017 with the revised motor for ~15k. Certainly wouldn't be afraid to buy used either. There are track day enthusiasts and autocrossers with over 200k miles on their cars with nothing more than routine maintenance and the odd failed coil pack.

[@R3LF13]

Well, I might as well say it again: the 86 is a modern version of a 90s car, and that's why I love it.

[@fragu123]

Craig R. ....rightly so!👍

[@XR4turbo]

Agreed. It's basically an Integra Type R with a less engaging drivetrain.

[@R3LF13]

@@XR4turbo yeah, I don't even have a particular car in mind when I say that. I just appreciate that it's light, simple, underpowered, with an emphasis on feel. We need more of that in today's cars. I plan on getting one. 👍👍

[@OllamhDrab]

I'm interested cause they're like rear-drive Celicas from the 70's/early 80s in concept. rear drive and all. Pity no hatchback. :)

[@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo]

@@XR4turbo that was the fiesta ST....... But we don't get that anymore....... The s2000 is still the better car overall compared to the 86.... The s2000 is basically a Japanese e30 m3 Evo 2 with no roof....

[@basithph8958]

I don't care what people say but the 86 is a great car to drive Speed is not everything!

[@HUMC5]

Indeed. 200hp is enough for twisty roads.

[@richardunderwood950]

Yep I bought one and I love it oh so much.

[@ThatRosco458]

I agree, however sound and eagerness (in regard to the engine) are important qualities that push me away from this

[@markvergara]

BASITH PH I feel like everyone agrees with that

[@dominicancheif117]

Yeah I cringe every time I hear people say “It NeEdS a TuRbO”

[@basithph8958]

This is indeed the final sendoff to the 86 sports car I think Toyota did a great in making this car as a successor to the iconic AE86 Can't wait to see the new GR86!

[@moiseslopez7898]

BASITH PH i yes! Now I don’t know if I should wait or try to get this 86

[@basithph8958]

Moises Lopez you should try to get the 86 while you still can but you can also wait for the new GR86

[@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo]

@@moiseslopez7898 just get a s2000, 20 years old and still better. Subaru boxer fours are so uninspiring.....

[@wPJyat]

Nah. The GT86 should've been called the Celica. The new 86 should've been a 3 door hothatch with the 2.4 XRS engine.

[@basithph8958]

Markus nah the 86 is always the RWD sport coupe The Celica became a FWD coupe

[@w00t777]

the Hakone Green looks gorgeous. The wheels really suit the car too.

[@mc116]

As a FRS owner, the torque dip sucks but god dammit this handles like a dream on twisty roads and is one of the most fun daily friendly sports cars.

[@tuluifuknowurlucky1767]

There's a good tuner that can get rid of that toque dip for you in Auburn,Wa. Sometimes he comes up to Raincouver. So worth it!

[@mc116]

​@@tuluifuknowurlucky1767 Drift Office right? Oh yea, the owner chats with our local FRS group frequently. I have a UEL header and OFT tune for the past couple of years which does a decent job. But after some asshole broke into my car recently and stole my OFT tuner device (and I don't wanna buy another one..), I'm thinking of making an appointment to get a proper tune after all these years to fine tune all the mods done after all these years....that is after the pandemic is over and borders/businesses open again. Might as well make a proper road trip once we're not quarantined anymore!

[@tuluifuknowurlucky1767]

@@mc116 Yup, Bob. We are the blue 16 frs with white wheels. Buddy club v2 tails, greddy csgts v2 catback, seibon cb hood, #sapphirefrs at Ft86Van. Who r u?

[@mc116]

@@tuluifuknowurlucky1767 mine is the red FRS with blacked out roof, xxr527s, trd canards and exhaust, rep sard wing, toms tails and spec-d headlights and verus diffuser. Haven't been to alot of meets since I'm always working but I comment occasionally on the FB group and spotted a couple of times. 😅

[@machtschnell7452]

Never could understand why that is true with 56% of the weight on the front axle. Personally, it is not anything I am interested in ever driving.

[@twodudesnape2990]

Need more green cars. Looking at you Miata

[@SkarryTerry]

It can be the owners choice to paint their car, even tho I believe you're talking about coming out of the factory. Then we're looking st you, Mazda.

[@joro2]

Ryan Q 1991 NA Miata had a classic BRG special edition, which at the time I wanted but couldn’t afford. I ended up that same year with a simple silver base model @$13K new which I loved and kept until 2013 - “replaced” with the blandest of bland colored dark gray metallic (my tastes in car color has changed over the years, I prefer now to be as nondescript and invisible as possible) base BRZ in 2017 $26K new OTD - miss the old NA MX-5 but also have loved every moment of owning & driving the Toyobaru.

[@calebnation7797]

Joe Rosen NB also has BRG editions in 99 and (I think) 2002.

[@mBaggins]

I think this guy's reviews are brilliant. Keep up the good work mate

[@Syncopia]

It's like resetting a taste palette, Zach hasn't driven hundreds of high power cars and can appreciate a humble car.

[@Jande29793]

I've got one with a canned tune and headers. Gets rid of 90% of the torque dip. Cost about $750usd. I've been trying to justify buying a faster car for years. Every other car I try to buy under 65k aud is worse in some way. I just got to 100,000kms after 5 years, I only just replaced the pads. I'm on the same tyres for 3 years, and they're fine still. It's so cheap to run. I commute every day and can't wait to get into it everyday

[@scottieray]

Good point on tire wear. The low torque and light weight really don't stress out the tires much at all.

[@FOXDADDYSUPREME1]

I have had mine with header and tune for over 3 years now. I want to upgrade, but need to spend double to find something I actually like more. Either that, or spend about the same, and triple my maintenance costs and add some reliability concerns.

[@pepe8196]

I wish I never got rid of mine. Supercharged with JDL UEL catless header, overpipe, frontpipe with HFC, and a perrin catback. Keep it .

[@Mrmudbone_gaming]

James Evans and a canned exhaust lmfao

[@d1sturb3d119]

THIS! People don't realize how freaking expensive it is to run some of these vehicles. I bought an ISF for less than what it costs to buy one of these cars brand new. The car eats rear tires, mostly my fault and take 10 quarts of oil so oil changes are more expensive. No brake pads done so far but they're not cheap either. All in all for big speed and performance you certainly pay the price. The same is true of bikes as well. I have smaller toys to go with the big stuff too. Otherwise the running costs are really high.

[@jaioncebollero1168]

Don’t spend 30k on it though, Buy a used one

[@Rlyeh_The_Dead]

Exactly. Got a lightly used 2017 (12K miles) for $21k. I Had to road trip all the way to LA to get it, but you do what you gotta do!

[@FRWD_FXLRST]

Paid 24 for a new BRZ back in '17.

[@toyotabrony]

Jaion Cebollero I’d spend on that

[@Cryptiiix]

Bought a new one no regrets! Would rather not take the chance of bad past owners

[@EchoSigma6]

Going used is a good idea especially if the owner has service records and in good original factory condition. Imagine what you can do with that saved money on this car compared to a new one? Lots of power and cosmetic upgrades.

[@RavTokomi]

Imagine if this had a 2.5L H6 with 250HP and a flat torque curve.

[@eddiedonald9571]

A shop called auto service kanki in japan did this with an ez30. It was in one of the hot versions from best motoring comparing 86s. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaexq2N-mth6qZo&feature=emb_logo

[@DuBstep115]

Just a H4 with 2.5 could do 250hp and 250Nm since current engine makes 100hp per liter so extra 0.5L would make 50hp.

[@HGChannel2020]

DuBstep115 Yeah it doesnt work that way chief

[@DuBstep115]

@@HGChannel2020 pls elaborate why not, I am waiting.

[@zareefhaider6451]

Why would you want to mess up the weight distribution with a heavier front? Want more power, get a supercharger

[@soupistasty5]

Zach, what I appreciated most in this video was your focus n' discipline between having a good, fun drive & staying 'on script' so to speak with all the info - car dynamics, practicality, market placement. In these 'talk n' drive' videos outside distractions n' drivers can sometimes derail the flow of the conversation too much & too often. You didn't let that happen! Kept it on point; good job dude.

[@TexasRevving]

Ngl, I miss my BRZ. So much fun to rip 10/10 on a backroad and I averaged 31 mpg on the highway... Not fast, but so go-kart like and just fun. In the rain with the cheap tires too, so fun!

[@Casey_J96]

Those seats are beautiful! Always thought these cars are cool. Does seem a little more power would do it justice though.

[@chrismunsey3185]

That’s one of the prettiest greens I’ve ever seen on a car👌🏽

[@_chipchip]

Hakone turnpike is one of the best roads I've ever driven (in an NSX too). Love the colour of this.

[@Jojo.F87]

The 86 is still one of the best cars I've ever driven. And I've driven a lot.

[@DirtDude117]

The GT-86 cars are basically the 240sx reimagined. I do love this version however I'm more excited to see the next year model. I do love the color and the seats on this one. I may get the seats just to put them in my S2000. Also Zac you need to get some sunglasses

[@JB-sv5pr]

DirtDude117 I agree the gt86 cars are what the poeple wanted a cheap rwd car ! I hate how tiny the back seats are I guess just delete for better weight and power but people fit more comfortable in my ae86 back seats then the riding in the back of a 86. A dumb complaint I know it’s a sports car two seats or nothing !!!!!!

[@joro2]

In the ❤️ this platform camp. Thnx for a great review, Zack.

[@karzak96]

Love the video!! Watched it till the absolute end.

[@Trendyflute]

great review Zack. I did 1000+ miles across the western US in a 2013 BRZ when new (helping a friend drive it home after buying it from a distant dealer); the way it's balanced and pivots right around your hip, the shifter feel, the visibility, the fuel economy, the lack of ergonomic foibles...all true. Yeah, the torque hole is there, and it's pretty lame; though I ended up driving the car in two "modes" and it worked well: below the torque hole for regular driving duties, above the torque hole for sporty driving. Keep it on the boil above the torque hole and I think the 86 is properly quick, if not _fast._ I agree more people would get into 86s if they were a little less pricey, but given what's gone into the 86 (a bespoke sports car chassis with economy car amenities, and an economy-based engine with sports tuning), the price is really fair.

[@chriscaarnold]

Genuine honest review from a real car guy. Luv the 86. I bought one because i couldn’t afford a good alfa junior. Its fun every day and works every day! Ive driven some amazing roads across europe, taken it to a couple of tracks and in tear two of ownership i’m still in love.

[@makingretro]

When did Dennis Reynolds start doing car reviews?!

[@MotoMangia]

Do you think this or the base 86 (which can have the TRD suspension added) is a better choice?

[@geerstyresoil3136]

"We are going to go back down the hill, that way, the car feels faster" LOL sums it up pretty much.

[@timjenkins7019]

Love that color.

[@MeorHariz]

What FPS did you shoot and render your video in? Looks very sharp. I dig it. (Hope you could give a reply)

[@dannyv5317]

I wished Toyota put in a sliding sunroof or a targa top on them.

[@OD_Plays]

Too heavy

[@BrendanEvan]

"I can see everything. I am Sauron" hahahahahahahahahaa

[@tadficuscactus]

I wonder if the torque dip is something to do with trying to improve emissions.

[@mortenhartvigkristiansen7760]

I have no doubt it is. toyota is the worlds biggest car manufacturer, they don't do anything randomly. but look at it from the other guys side: they need turbos to make this kind of power. but toyota can without..so it has to be a pollution thing. and that is why its easily corrected with a tune. which tells me that its all electronic..

[@Jaime7188]

Loved my RS2 edition ever since i bought it 3 years ago. Most entertaining car ive owned

[@jonathanstoddard7712]

Thank you for a great review Zack. What more do people need for the street. The hp keeps going up but the speed limits do not? Such a great car.

[@HUMC5]

Great color.

[@quackman]

Been driving my BRZ for over 6 years now, you totally get what's great and what's not about it, excellent video! the BRZ/86 has soooo many driver feedback pleasure points. You def "feel" the low center of gravity and the wide track. Love the steering, reminds me of the Lotus Elise my dad had back when that was out.

[@Norsaskriv]

Great review, Zack. You are more articulate than many reviewers. I'll subscribe.

[@FELiPES101]

that green looks a lot like the greens of the mk4 supra

[@shouldigetit]

This is without a doubt the sexiest edition / version of the FRS/BRZ/86. Imagine if they made a convertible edition.

Imagine if they made a version with an actual fun drivetrain....

[@MrZillusion]

Best car I have ever owned and driven. If you got the cash, boost also definitely worth adding. Not because it needs it but when it is boosted you literally have a completely new beast of a car.

[@NOLANATION9]

Great video Zack!

[@alanthecat59]

love this , well done

[@loganbb9188]

Where I live there isn’t a straight road or flat road for miles and I’ve never thought these cars are slow. The only time I’ve noticed the torque dip is in first gear at wot but almost everyone will mods these so that will take care of that.

[@shouldigetit]

Where in the world is that?

[@loganbb9188]

I’m in East TN but Im not far from NC and they have some even better roads.

[@romank1099]

16:46 "That is SO over the double-yellow its not even funny" me following people on stunt/pajuma/snake(rip)

[@reck0n3r]

Great review man. Probably the best one I've seen on the 86.

[@RoadOdyssey]

I have a 2019 86 gt neptune blue. Always get complements! Seriously. It stands out. In 1 year I put over 40k miles. Runs great. Yeah. Sort of slow on hwy or passing. But fast enough. 38+ mpg. Hits turns like my C6 vette. Love it. Especially for the cost.

[@Charkatak]

Interesting review. If you have driven 3rd Gen MINI Cooper S/JCW, could you compare(handling, acceleration) it to the 86?

[@Zacharycryan]

Could not agree more. I fixed the torque dip in my '17 BRZ Performance Package with a tune, headers and E85. It's a driver car 100%. Great review Zack!

[@randoman75]

I had the opportunity to drive my BRZ on some very tight country roads back to back with a 991.1 GT3 RS. The Porsche was amazing, amazing, but due to a variety of things my BRZ felt better on those roads. 500hp was too much for dark, twisty, unfamiliar roads. The BRZ has better steering feel and the chassis communicates more at lower speeds. The twins are really special cars for drivers who savor the details.

[@freespeach99]

I love mine to death. I think Zach captured it best when he talked about the feel of the car and how much it communicates to you. I've never driven anything that brings you into the driving experience in such a direct way.

[@1982daverogers]

Its interesting how no one complains about the power of a Miata yet they all go crazy on the 86.... the 86 has always had low NA power, its never been a turbo car. Its always been a car that is focused on the driving experience and not just instant torque.

[@BMWWolf]

Always appreciated Zach’s takes on cars.

[@prerunnerwannabe]

I had an FR-S for a while. I liked it a lot, but there were some disappointing things about it. Sure, the power was lackluster, but the 6 speed manual is pretty flimsy. It only had like 60k on it, but by the time I bought it, the syncros on 4th and 5th were pretty pooched.

[@MacroEnabled]

Wish you had included a statement about headers and tune. The torque dip is eliminated and feels torquier than a stock ND Miata (idk about headers and tune on a Miata though, probably feels pretty good there too).

[@Pauli-COJ]

BBR actually makes a kit for the ND2. It pumps up the hp to 220hp and revs up to 7800rpm (with new cams and spring though). the kit without cams and all brings it up to 200hp. But yeah, headers and tune is said to give a new life to the 86.

[@TheSmokingTire]

I've read that, but I've never driven one with that setup and I know OEMs can't sell the car with fewer cats than they currently do. Hopefully the turbo fixes it. ZK

[@sanabriaisrael8]

Immaculate review 🤙🏼👌🏼

[@VirtualGuth]

This is one the the best car reviews that I have watched in a long time. Even though I am double the age of the envisioned target audience for the 86, I am the kind of driver that would likely enjoy this car despite it's lack of power. The inconsistent delivery of torque as described on the other hand would be the kind of thing that would surely turn me off. Having never driven one of these cars, I would be more encouraged to explore them further if I knew that they were going to address the such a problem while leaving the engine naturally aspirated rather than sticking a turbo on it. Regardless, none of the above gets in the way of this being a very well executed review.

[@ClellBiggs]

Fixed the audio?

[@TheGoQu]

im absolutely love this car. I will get one in the future. Amazing machine.

[@nineteen9694]

Bought mine new in late 2016 (first of the facelift models) and I love it! Currently have all the bolt ons and a good tune which has removed the torque dip. Have E85 coming next month - I enjoy the NA behaviour - building upon what was given to us rather than changing it 👌🏻 great review

[@jareknowak8712]

Why E85? What does it give in N/A?

[@nineteen9694]

Jarek Nowak for an 86 on the dyno I used, you’ll be looking at 106kw stock - I’m now at 128kw with bolt ons and 98 and with E85 I should be at around 140kw at the wheels making it a 23% power increase over stock. Torque also smoothens and jumps up quite a lot with E85 on the FA20 engine!

[@jareknowak8712]

@@nineteen9694 Thats a one very strange engine. And 106wkw is a massive loss on gearbox. Usually in rwd setup You have aprox 15% loss of power. I had n/a Mitsubishi with 12:1 compression, it always run on 98oct, but engine was working good on 95oct.

[@sage11x]

Revisiting this review. Maybe the best review of the FRS/86/BRZ. Really encapsulates what this flawed little gem has to offer. Thanks again.

[@thatweebaaron]

"Even though the tires are cheap" Look up Michelin Primacy HP tire prices. "cheap" Good review either way!

[@Legend-lc9bv]

Facts😂

[@adamterwilligar7673]

Let's be serious here though, no one replaces the OEM Primacy tires with another set lol.

[@macdee6040]

Tires are cheap? lol if it was using chinese tires then yes.

[@DarrenPersad]

My guy, plenty of people replace their factory set with identical sets (or better sets) in sports cars! I usually go that route. It’s never worth skimping on tires when it’s your sole patch of contact with the ground.

[@darrenmacwhirter1706]

@@adamterwilligar7673 Mpss tires on mine. Perfect tire for this car. People say the car is slow but try taking sharp turns at 60 miles an hour. Few cars can do that and not end up in the woods.

[@danielthomas2621]

Fantastic review dude

[@michaelprosser4660]

I think you absolutely nailed it in every way. Every criticism that you have, thoughts about the weird price bracket that it's in, and reasons that you like the car are 100% spot on. I've owned my FR-S from new for about 5 years. I bought it for $26k, and that seemed about right. I don't think I would've been able to justify 200hp if it was $30k. The torque dip is unbearable. It kind of feels like turbo lag where the turbo just doesn't spool up. Fortunately, with a header and a tune, it goes away. Still though, the power and feel mine has now is what it should've come from the factory with. You're also 100% right about the magic about this car being more than power and straight line speed. My FR-S is 60-200hp down on every other car that I've owned, but I got bored with and sold all of my other cars after no more than 3 years. I've had the FR-S for 5 years, and I still love it. So much that I just bought a new WRX for daily driving and family duty and insisted on keeping the FR-S - I don't know if I'll ever sell it. Great video, great thoughts, keep up the awesome work 👍

[@DarrenPersad]

I know I need an 86 or BRZ at some point, and now this Hakone 86 is telling me that point is now!

[@dachanist]

As a salesman who has demonstrated spirited driving and or drifting in: Camaro 2ss Mustage GT Wrx and Sti NC miata (really like it) RX8 370z (love it honestly it's a tie) Many others I can't think of right now and owned both Fb and FC RX7s... I assure you that a BRZ/86/FRS will make you happy if: You love corners more than speed ... but... You need to re-gear the diff to 444, upgrade the exhaust, and chip tune it. Just remember, the car isn't slow, you are slow. Fix you first. Then supercharge it and quit bitching.

[@jalderink]

Not one Evo? Man, you are missing out!

[@unfairsanic5089]

@@DontForgetOldKolobok but I dont trust nissans reliability, if you want fun + hp + reliability, get a lexus is350 or isf

[@garbinator09]

dachanist - as an old fart, a highway cop of long past youth, I saw even experienced carnage, live with the oh shit near death moments, my 86 merely gives a taste of lower gut ilk entering into a tight canyon curve. If I had anything bigger I might well end it all over the edge. My wife would heatedly disapprove. 🤥

[@dudley7540]

Need the right road.

[@NekoWinters]

Can confirm, the Hakone Paint is AMAZING in person, that metal flake lotus green doesn't translate in video unless you get proper 4k HDR. I Fell for mine and had to walk with it the same day, amazingly fun car with a gorgeous visual package inside and out.

[@zackklapman3569]

The paint is very good.

[@nsbioy]

How similar is the paint color to that of the Bullitt's Highland Green?

[@Haddi97]

Never had an issue with the torque dip because when I want to go fast, I stay above 5000rpm the whole time. Usually shift at no more than 3500 during normal driving so I rarely spend time in the torque dip

[@mojojoji5493]

Pretty much you have to know where the rpm is when you down shift

[@Xmvw2X]

Oddly, I like the FT86 shifter better than the S2000 and the Miata. My favorite thing about the FT86 chassis versus other options is it's ROOMY (relatively speaking), and it's nice the seats are not a compromise.

[@utkarsh12]

What a follow up to the AE86 and what an era!

[@blitzy3244]

Lol I like how I just fast forward in the video and you pull up at Lois Ewen Overlook...was just there

[@blitzy3244]

Piuma > Stunt

[@karolstopinski8350]

Wouldnt some stage 1 kits help streighten up the torque curve?

[@davect01]

Still a great value. Not sure it's worth the extra price for this edition but the regular model is a great driver Between this car and the Miata, you have great choices in a under $30K two door drivers car

[@j.chenmuas]

Question is who is the fastest in the cornering speed between this car and a miata? I believe this car was built under power to drive good in in cornering speed IMO.

[@gt_grandtouring]

Love that colour combo!

[@clarklouis7094]

I've had a 2019 TRD 86 for ~a year now, and i agree with pretty much everything he says in here.

[@jeetenmorar]

that torque dip makes it seem like they wanted to turbo the car, but then decided not to, and then didnt remap the engine...

[@MikeJones-in3uk]

LOVE the design of this car ! it handles like a champ . A really balance fun car to drive. I have one , I should know. LOL

[@StrumVogel]

It’s a nice color combo. Love the wheels.

[@Uberdude6666]

What do you think about that old argument about electric power steering and steering wheel-communication/feedback?

[@MatthewChidester]

Thanks for the video - I'm shopping and it... is high on my radar.. miss the Japanese sports cars of the 90's and this is ... one of those cars :) anyway thank you.

[@johndelack5514]

been looking at this car and almost thought against it but you just made it sound good for me as i'm looking for my first sports car. would you reccommend for a first time sports car buyer? im in my mid 20's

[@zackklapman3569]

Yes. It's exciting enough that you won't get bored (as long as you live near a twisty road), it's practical enough, and it's not so powerful that you'll kill yourself unless you REALLY try.

[@Luke-tm5oy]

I remember driving one of these and a rx8 back to back and they were both great cars and the brz was newer and I thought it was amazing but had so much more fun in the rx8.

[@subnegro4946]

I love mine. I upgraded the sole criticism, the engine. My FA20 feels perfect at 300whp255wtq while stock I was making 160whp130wtq on a MD dyno. It's been 3 years 36000 miles since then too.

[@nslouka90]

I’m starting to like these, the prices are good and I would love to buy one and mod it a bit to get some extra horsies. I like the look, a lot of sports cars these days are all slick and smooth looking like a raindrop, this looks different.

[@9walkerYT]

Its a funny analogy how you describe torque and bar fighting. You must have a friend just like that lol

[@rhague14]

Is there an aftermarket turbo for this car?

[@IgoByaGo]

I have had my 2016 FR-S for 4 years with a few mods. 17 intake manifold, hotchkiss strut brace, Ohlins road and track with top hats coil overs, IRP shifter (noisy as can be, but great for the track), Ptuning flex fuel sensor, Tomei UEL, and Invidia Q300. It has been tuned to 190 RWHP on pump gas and 203 on e85. It has been perfect for track day use, but I do daily drive it, so I am installing a built engine with an AVO turbo kit. I just want that extra oomph when I am on the highway so when I am driving 65+ mph and I need to speed up (Speed limits can be as high as 75 in my area), I don't have to downshift to 3rd to avoid being run over by an F150 doing 90 and not paying attention. The car has always been noisy, but with coilovers and the IRP, it is magnified. My wife has an 18 STI and I am super excited to see how it feels compared to that.

[@seaninness334]

I was hoping you would discuss the aftermarket improvements on the engine or if Toyota/Subaru offer any trims with upgraded engine options.

[@garethbattersby]

I remember these coming out in around 2012 and said one day I'll get one. Fast forward a few years, Id saved a chunk of money and finally decided to take the plunge. I'd driven Toyota Celicas for 15 years, Gen 6 and a Gen 7 so the 86 felt like a natural progression. I got behind the wheel of a Silver 86... And was instantly disappointed. All those years of waiting and I was greeted with cheap feeling plastics, a crappy looking entertainment system with a sluggish operating system. I was sitting in a car that was being sold for £15k and it felt not better/worse in parts than my 15 year old Toyota Celica. I figured it's all about the drive so maybe I won't mind the look or yogurt tub plastics of the switches... And it drove nice, I didn't get to give it some max revs for long but then again who does for 99% of their driving life. I'd driven the newer MX5 before this 86 and it felt so much better a pottering around town and better when giving it the beans. The interior of the MX5 also felt like it was made of better materials too. The dash and entertainment system looked modern too... The whole experience broke my heart, it was a case of never meet your heroes. So I still have the savings for a car and I'm still in my Celica.

[@piobu5357]

Supposedly the Subaru equivalent has slightly better infotainment, with android and car play support. I was recently thinking about buying an ND miata, i test drove it and all, but it turned out they're not really in stock during winter in my country. I took the new 2019 mazda 3 into consideration too, so i test drove it, as well, and decided to buy it, since the MX-5 wasn't available, and the 3 had better interior, newer tech, better noise reduction, and the back seats and storage space are ultimately an obvious advantage (it has good reviews, too). If you're on the market for a small and nimble daily commuter with a gorgeous, well laid out, interior, and a lot of tech (HUD, keyless entry, adaptive cruise control and LEDs, android auto & car play, road sign detection, 360 camera, wireless charger, 12 speaker BOSE audio system, etc.), then you can try it out. In highest trim with white leather interior, and their soul red paint looks really good, too. It's not super fast, but I wasn't really looking for a race car anyway, and the 180BHP skyactive-x engine is economical and is more than enough for daily commute.

[@HBZTwistaOk]

It's a drift car... Not luxury. You're paying for a beautiful looking diving machine. If you wanted something more luxury, then get a Lexus or something... High end and power.

[@cocojumbo197]

Had Celica '92 and had soft high quality interior. Cant stand cheap plastic...but is much more expensive for car makers to put quality soft plastic ? Most buyers would be happy to pay 1-2k more for it and it makes a huge difference the way it feels

[@baronvonricer]

Great, thoughtful review!

[@justintowers8230]

You still doing reviews? I have a Celica SS-III. Im in Orange County

[@spencerb311]

I have the 86 TRD and I LOVE IT, I had a Scion FR-S but it got totaled by a drunk driver

[@SolidShoikot]

I would love to see GR's take on this. Hopefully they add the turbo four from the Lexus NX or the entry level Supra.

[@slaWterCH]

Good to see some Malibu Canyons again!

[@MyGoToUserName]

These are great fun. If you love to drive out of the city they're a joy to Huck around a backroad, or take to a track day/auto-x. With very minimal modification I've been able to take mine on track and have an absolute blast for not much money, and cheap consumables. The biggest drawback to bigger faster cars is running costs and consumables. Most people only read a spec sheet and quickly realize afterwards that it ain't cheap keeping a high powered heavier car in good condition when you run them hard.

[@jd5019]

I owned a Mustang GT, VW GTI, Scion TC , and a Mercedes E500. I now have a BRZ and its always a joy to drive. This car was designed nicely 👌 Its razor sharp handling is so addictive.

[@juniyananajukyu]

Hakone is beautiful! Lots of nice onsen and home to historical Hakone sekisho(checkpoint) along the Tokaido road.

[@greggkillman4763]

Does Matt fit inside, we have similar body types

[@iantownsend500]

Yeah I’ll watch it again

[@LT-jc4qb]

That's what I say when I'm watching videos on The Hub

[@jasonbyassee3158]

I definitely get the appeal to the car, I wanted to get one for my daughter, but she wanted a civic. Ugh. These are just way cooler.

[@tuluifuknowurlucky1767]

Header, Tune and if you really want flexfuel by a very reputable tuner and forget a turbo or supercharger. You'll loose the torque dip, hills are no longer an issue. LOVVVVE THESE CARS!