The 2024 Kia Telluride Isn't Quite Top Dog Anymore, But That's OK

[@lynnpeckham6014]

We traded our Kia 2020 for a Kia 2024, and we got our money back towards the new model. Was able to buy it out right. This one has so much more that we're still trying to figure out all the new features. Love this vehicle!!

[@ericrainey8224]

Kia what???

[@jbountalas]

Toyotas as you said, offer great functionality, fuel economy, and utility. However, if I'm going to spend this kind of money, I want creature comforts, I want myself and my passengers to be as comfortable as possible. If people are buying the top trims on the Telluride, that tells you that people are ok to spend the cash if they get the comfort and features. On the engine front, I think about 4 pot turbo charged relatively small displacement engines putting out over 300 HP, and I wonder about their long term reliability. The V6 engines from Kia/Hyundai might be older designs, but we're driving a 2022 Telluride and the engine/transmission combo is as smooth as butter. You feel like you got your money's worth when you're in that car. A commodity vehicle with a premium feel. As always, you present great, detail rich reviews. Keep 'em coming.

[@JustChadinTX-bv7yv]

I say the same thing about my Kia Stinger, GT2 compared to anything else out there, I feel like I got my moneys worth and then some

[@pault1439]

Wait until that thing starts burning oil. Give us a new update then.

[@SilverScarletSpider]

Kia and Hyundai literally just had a Telluride recall telling customers not to park their cars in a garage because the engine can catch fire and burn down their house. WTF kinda copium are you eating

[@Keefer24]

@@pault1439what did you read it happened somewhere once so you think every vehicle does it ? My neighbor has had his for 4 years , does a lot of traveling with it at almost 100k he’s never had issues.

[@ALMX5DP]

I think a lot of the popularity of the front amber DRLs came from the design just as much as the color. The way it was a headlight surround, I think gave it character. This new design is quite a bit more generic.

[@randyp9491]

I agree. I think the headlight should have stayed the same as a trademark part of the design. Like the grill on a jeep, the taillights on the old Cadillacs , the spare tire hump in the trunk of the old Lincolns and the opera windows on the continental

[@i3oosted]

Yup, they botched it. The rectangle amber lights were beautiful.

[@JakeDrives1]

I loved this glowing review of the Telluride. It’s much deserved. I owned many Hyundai/Kias back in the late 00s early 2010s and always liked them. Fast forward to 2020 I was obsessed with the Telluride from launch. I test drove one and I was astonished by what Kia has done. My mom bought a 2024 and I drove it around for a week this past fall and all of my feelings about the Telluride were confirmed. A home run for Kia. I recommend it to everyone. I hope they continue to polish it and change things as the years go on. Your review was one of the most accurate I’ve seen. I find it ironic how some journalists will lambast the product they just gave a glowing review two years prior. None of the competition thrills me like the Telluride. Pilot is the only one that has any of my attention. Another great review. Thanks, Alex!

[@tri3pleagent]

Imagine paying over sticker for ANY vehicle. I will never understand it.

[@naveenthemachine]

People pay way over sticker for Toyotas 😂

[@gabevillarreal4779]

​@@naveenthemachineYeah maybe so. But at least the Toyotas will serve their owners well and reliably unlike any hyundai or Kia product that might be ok until it starts to approach 100k miles. Then it falls apart and becomes a nightmare to maintain and keep running!

[@naveenthemachine]

@@gabevillarreal4779 Toyota reliability is a thing of the past. Any car can last a long time as long as you take good care of it

[@gabevillarreal4779]

@@naveenthemachine Not in my experience and in the experience of the data. I understand Honda has had issues and Toyota has as well. Toyota is also the largest Car manufacturer on the planet so while perfection is the goal, it's hardly attainable. Even IF Toyota and Honda has slipped some, the are so many light years ahead of everyone in the industry because of their BODY OF WORK over the long haul! I'm talking 70 plus years! Look at the totality of the brand and tell me who has durability reliability and dependability as well as ease of maintenance and industry reputation based on all those things. It sure as hell isn't the domestics. And while hyundai and Kia have improved over the last 25 years, let's put it in perspective and understand that the improved leaps and bounds from the BASEMENT! Which still leaves them just above ground to me. My experience with my family abd friends has been that every single one of them had tremendous issues after 100k when coincidentally the warranty runs out. Abd on the opposite end of that spectrum I currently own a 9 year old Honda v6 that has been flawless with 157k on it. Not one issue. I also own 2 lexus vehicles both at 136k with zero issues abd I bought my daughter a 2014 corolla that was flawless for 9 years before she totalled it. I bought her a 2022 Corollato replacethe other one. My sisternow has a Corolla Cross and loves it and my other sister has a CRV with zero issues. It has over 100k as well. My mom is on her 8th Lexus ES and all have been to 160k with ZERO problems. All brands have issues at some point because you are dealing with tremendous numbers systems and components. I CHOOSE THE BRANDS THAT GIVE ME THE LEAST ISSUES AND BEST RETURN ON A DEPRECIATING ASSET OR INVESTMENT.

[@davroy5890]

​@@gabevillarreal4779don't waste your time responding to Naveen. He's a broken record, and lives to hate every Toyota product.

[@StephenByersJ]

Current market I am seeing is $1K off MSRP and even seen a few up to $4K off. Assuming that isn’t bait and switch the tide is turning on Telluride markups. Which make sense, they basically launched into the start of COVID.

[@paulstein9258]

Possible. I just got the 2024 Highlander Limited, $ 4,000 off the MSRP. No dealer adjustments. No bloated port add ons, so a real $ 4,000 off.

[@andrewloranger]

Just got mine for $1k off MSRP and $750 loyalty Rebate. Very happy with it for what it is.

[@nickyjean175]

We have had nothing but problems with our 2021 Telluride. Buyer beware!! At 30 000 miles we had the rear differential replaced. It was replaced by the same differential. Kia dealership says it's a temporary fix until Kia figures out what is wrong with this differential. We've had the shocks replaced and the shock insulators. We are a couple in our mid 70's. We were thrilled to buy the car and we love how roomy it is. We really want to keep it but are considering replacing. Thought it would be our last new car purchase. Not sure now. Need to also get it in as the back window washing does not work. Second time it's been in for that issue.

[@naveenthemachine]

Your car is a sample set of one. Doesn’t mean all tellurides are unreliable

[@plixie1]

Before we got a Telluride EX, we went to see a highlander. We needed 3 rows. Not only was the 3rd row in the toyota basically nonexistent, it was more expensive (at the time, 21').

[@alancbackman]

Yes, highlander 3rd row non-useable. That's why Toyota came out with the grand highlander which is more comparable in size to the pilot or the telluride. Problem with the grand highlander is that it's about $51 k for mid-level trim vs closer to $44 k for the Pilot or the Telluride. Also, I thought the seats were too narrow on the grand highlander.

[@jpentzien]

Looked at both the Telluride and GH. You can tell a difference in quality of build/materials. Kia is showing more value for the price. We are likely going to get Telluride.

[@底特律梯形脸]

Paying over MSRP for a mass produced vehicle is insane

[@naveenthemachine]

But if that vehicle is best in class or segment benchmark then it’s worth it. People are paying markups for a RAV4 and the RAV4 is not best in class like the cx50 CRV or tuscon sportage are

[@Natethegreat200c]

⁠@@naveenthemachinecx50??? CRV??? Insane. Those are NOT good. How can the CRv be any good if the rav isn’t. Their both trash

[@mauriciomendez1912]

Every stearlship were marking up their vehicles during the COVID chip shortage....the market is finally cooling down.

[@TheSeandog1234]

@@naveenthemachineIt’s worth it if you enjoy making bad financial decisions.

[@naveenthemachine]

@@TheSeandog1234 wrong. If a car is world class then you’ll quickly forget the extra financial implications

[@paulm6481]

Need those orange square LED driving lights.

[@thafranchise]

headlamp

[@sheldonduffy9442]

You gave the engine specifications for the discontinued CX-9. The Mazda CX90 model you are reviewing has an inline 6 mild hybrid engine that Makes 280 hp, 332 lb ft of torque, and it has and an 8 speed automatic transmission.

[@nj6441]

It's not nice that one can't buy the top trim with a bench seat.

[@donna8243]

Agreed. That's the deal breaker for me.

[@steelerkev5507]

Me too. Deal Breaker.

[@happykt]

My bother's wife just traded in her 6 yr old Honda Odyssey (the 3rd one she owned) for the SX Prestige Xline Telluride in black. I was shocked there was only one color at the 2nd highest trim level for the interior. She picked it up yesterday.

[@alancbackman]

Alex, why don't you have Pilot in most of your comparisons ? I bought the 2024 Pilot. Two issues with the Telluride. First, you are forced to get Captains Chairs in all but the lowest trim levels. This makes it a 7 seater which is tough with 3 kids. (Who is forced to sit in the 3rd row ?). Second, the Telluride supposedly has the better Infotainment with 12 in screen and built in Navigation. However, it needs a wire. Pilot only has 9 in screen but wireless Android Auto and Apple Play which is more convenient.

[@SilverScarletSpider]

I recommend putting the oldest kid in the third row because it gives them more leg room to stretch out and sit diagonally in the third row.

[@manuelwilson9214]

My Choice ......Telluride or Palisade

[@kceeman]

I REALLY like the Telluride but I just am having a hard time with the reliability factor with Kia. I am in the market for a new car and this is on my list though

[@andresmattos7541]

HERE IS YOUR BELOVED RELIABILITY. 👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌 NEW YORK, Sept 8 (Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T) reached a settlement potentially worth $150 million to resolve U.S. class-action litigation tied to recalls of about 3.36 million Toyota and Lexus vehicles whose defective fuel pumps could cause engines to stall. A preliminary settlement was filed on Wednesday night in federal court in Brooklyn. It requires a judge's approval. The settlement covers owners and lessees of dozens of Toyota and Lexus vehicle models manufactured in the 2013 to 2020 model years and equipped with Denso low-pressure fuel pumps. Honda Recalls: Brake and Rearview Camera Defects Honda recently issued recalls for various models due to brake and rearview camera defects. These recalls address potential safety hazards that can result in accidents and injuries. Unexpected Loss of Brake Function: Honda recalled over 124,000 Civic, Passport, and Pilot vehicles, including certain model year 2020-2021 Civic, 2020-2023 Ridgeline, 2021-2023 Passport, 2021-2022 Pilot, and 2020 Acura MDX vehicles. The recall was prompted by concerns that the vehicles could experience an unexpected loss of brake function, increasing the risk of a crash. Defective Brake Holds: Another recall impacted nearly 400 model year 2023 Civic, Accord, Acura RDX, and Acura Integra vehicles. These vehicles were manufactured with defective brake holds, leading to potential movement while the brake hold is activated. Honda plans to notify impacted vehicle owners by mail, starting from July 24. Rearview Camera Concerns: Honda recalled over 1.1 million Odyssey, Pilot, and Passport vehicles due to defective rearview cameras that may not display properly. This recall applies to model year 2018-2023 Honda Odyssey, 2019-2022 Honda Pilot, and 2019-2023 Honda Passport vehicles. A non-functional rearview camera can compromise the driver's visibility, increasing the risk of a crash or injury. Class Action Lawsuits against Honda In addition to the recalls, Honda is facing class action lawsuits that allege serious defects in its vehicles' components. Variable Timing Control Actuator Defect: A class action lawsuit filed against Honda claims that the automaker knowingly sold vehicles with defective variable timing control actuators. The alleged defect, affecting model year 2012-2014 CR-Vs, 2012 Accords, and 2012-2015 Crosstours, can lead to catastrophic engine failure and poses a safety hazard. Defective Electric Power Steering Systems: Two separate class action lawsuits were filed against Honda, asserting that model year 2022-2023 Honda Civic vehicles were manufactured with defective electric power steering systems. These systems may "stick," requiring an increase in steering effort, leading to overcorrections and potential collisions. Electric Braking System Sticking: Another class action lawsuit argues that Honda sold model year 2022-2023 Honda Civic vehicles with electric braking systems that can stick at highway speeds. This alleged defect can cause vehicle owners to overcorrect, increasing the risk of collisions.

[@ahill209]

I own a 2023 Telluride EX. I traded in a Honda Pilot for it. I've had to take it to the dealer 4x for reliability and quality issues: Left rear door would not open from the inside of the vehicle (linkage not connected at factory). 3 Recalls: Side airbag wiring harness, rear speaker crash pad, and display software change. Very quirky controls. Auto setting for HVAC only seems to auto set the fan speed. The engine auto kill switch always reverts back to always kill the engine when you're stopped whenever power is recycled. (Auto kill will prematurely wear out your starter.) I know the Pilot's display is smaller, but I can live with that. I prefer reliability over extra features.

[@johnbatson8779]

my choice would be the Honda Pilot an easy 250.000-mile vehicle, the Telluride powertrain is not as reliable

[@realnapster1522]

Honda V6 is smoother. And more reliable. But Kia is offering great value.

[@mauriciomendez1912]

I remember when it first came out. Definitely was a looker! Kia has been knocking out of the park lately. Definitely needs a hybrid version...

[@_jg00]

I don’t have 30 minutes to find out who you think the top dog is but it’s still the Telluride. There isn’t a better looking SUV, inside and out, than the Telluride. The interior is well laid out with high quality materials. And the impressive 10yr/100k warranty is unbeatable. The Pilot and Toyota offerings look old or look like the drivers should be old.

[@joelc9329]

Good luck having Kia honor the warranty, but hey at the end of the day it’s still just Kia.

[@pault1439]

Guess you don't care about the major oil consumption issues the Telluride is known for???? That warranty is garbage. A friend of mine drives a Sonata that goes through 1 quart of oil every 500 miles now. Reason it hasn't been fixed? Dealer said it isn't a "catastrophic engine failure". By hey, at least you don't pay the dealer markup.

[@K9malinois_dog_love]

😂

[@sheldonduffy9442]

Mazda CX-90 PHEV owner here. I was really interested in the Telluride, especially because of the lane centering that is among the best in the business at any price. It also has some nice features, is quite roomy However, I tried to order one in order to avoid the mark-up… no dice. The dealer still wanted $4000.000 over MSRP. Also, my wife thought the CX-90 looked more premium and she actually thought it was easier getting into the CX-90’s 3rd row. So, I bought the CX-90 PHEV Premium Plus. It is actually more luxurious looking than the Telluride (especially better that fake looking wood on the Telluride’s dash), gets superior gas mileage and it handles and performs better (even though the 0-60 in my Mazda really isn’t that much better than the Telluride ). Finally, I paid $1500.00 under MSRP when I bought the Mazda. In addition, Mazda recently lowered the prices of non- hybrid models by as much as $4000.00.

[@realnapster1522]

Mazda CX90 is also made in Japan. That alone makes it worth more.

[@AlowisciousMahoney]

Grand Highlander is relatively large for a 4cyl engine imo. No thanks for me.

[@HeyyyMikeyyy]

Alex, with the Pilot now on sale and a real competitor in this segment I'm bummed that you didn't include interior room figures for it since it's basic also all new for '23/'24. It would be great to see how the two compare, including to the now all new Toyota GH. PS, great work as always 👌🏻

[@georgesnyder5337]

I keep saying this - doesn't make a lick of sense. Instead he is caught comparing to the GH (ok) and simultaneously the TX (just a fancier GH...so....).

[@EricTRinger]

We just put our money on the line and chose the 2024 Kia Telluride SX X-Pro. The Grand Highlander and VW Atlas were contenders but the Grand Highlander felt much cheaper in quality on the inside compared to the Telluride (no rubber anti-slip in the wireless charging pad, I felt like I might break the level to move the 2nd row forward for 3rd row access, etc) and the overall design of the Telluride inside and out looked better. The Atlas won points for the car seat friendly tilt but lost us with the touch capacitive buttons but otherwise was a great choice. The third seat in the third row of any midsize 3 row SUV is laughably small, so I was fine with the Atlas giving two very usable 3rd row seats. Had we been able to wait a little longer, the 2024 Chevy Traverse may have won out with its car seat friendly tilt, design on par with the Telluride, and overall spaciousness. Alas, we're super happy with our Telluride. One last note - I loved the fuel efficiency of the Grand Highlander but I really wanted brown interior, an option only available on the GH Hybrid Max. The power of the Hybrid Max was excellent, but I just couldn't rationalize the extra expense. With our driving it would take us roughly 5 years of gas bills to pay for the price difference between the Telluride trim we wanted and the Grand Highlander trim we wanted. I am SUPER surprised Kia doesn't have a hybrid for the Telluride yet. It seems like a no brainer.

[@naveenthemachine]

Smart move going for the telluride. You’d be very disappointed with the grand highlander. It’s subpar compared to the competition

[@joelc9329]

You can get the portobello interior on the platinum gas model.

[@golfergears]

Did you look at the Pilot?

[@EricTRinger]

@@golfergears Not in person. It doesn't have ceiling vents, a priority for us with kids in rear facing car seats. After being in the Atlas (another option without ceiling vents) it hammered home how important that feature was for us.

[@chiemekaa]

While the GH might have the fuel efficiency advantage, it looks cheaper both inside and out while still being more expensive (top trim) than the Telluride. I saw one in person and it was nothing special. In fact the Highlander actually looks more premium than its bigger sibling. Don't let the pictures fool you. This was my initial concern when Toyota announced it. How they would balance pricing against the Highlander and if 'Grand' actually implied a more premium interior.

[@Mr21scott]

"Grand" actually implies the SIZE, since it's the 3-row version. Duh.

[@TypicalGuy84]

Toyota always felt cheap. Way back in 2005 I looked at a Tacoma when I was driving a S10. I test drove the Tacoma and walked away cause it felt cheap all around in comparison. They only justify the price with their longevity.

[@naveenthemachine]

Agreed. The grand highlander still can’t hold a candle to superior brands like Honda Mazda Hyundai Kia VW or even GM now. Even Nissan has much better quality interiors than ever

[@chiemekaa]

@@Mr21scott HL is also 3 rows. Duh.

[@danhall3450]

As 2X Kia owner (Niros) I agree Alex, the fuel efficiency of the GH-H makes it the best of the bunch. Despite the Telly's extra long warranty & generally good reliability, Toyota's reliability reputation is the icing on the cake

[@naveenthemachine]

But you pay huge markups and you get subpar Toyota quality with poor fit finish that makes other brands look better Pay markups on a superior high quality product. Not a product that has overrated mythical reliability

[@andresmattos7541]

Watch out recent massive Toyota recalls. Also look at the Daihatsu Toyota owned scandal 😮😮😮😮

[@Keefer24]

Toyotas aren’t reliable anymore bud, guess you haven’t seen all the issues they are having with their new motors. Massive recalls to replace them 😂

[@beverlyyoungblood3652]

I ordered a Telluride and when it was being built my dealer called and raised the agreed price. I said no thanks canceled my order refund my money. It's easy. Don't buy it. To many choices out there.

[@007Perry]

That is crazy! I was able to work a deal for on a SX-P x-line was under MSRP, got the buy rate of 5.49% and saved 60% on the electronic lifetime warranty (total saved was close to $8K, deal done last week). This week would be a good time to get into a new car (no used! wait until June for used).... might have to drive to the next dealership - I am lucky we have 6 dealerships in less then an hour - KC metro market). I did buy from off the lot, it had been on there lot 30 days.

[@amigajoe]

Wish you would have included the standard Highlander in your size comparison charts, as they also overlap in pricing and cross-shopping.

[@09FoxRider]

I have a 2021 SX FWD and it’s great for a family of 5. Here in Texas I get 28 mpg Hwy and 24 city.

[@davidferrara]

Surprised and disappointed that you overlooked the Excellent Mazda CX-90 in your comments and comparison charts. It is a worthy contender

[@georgesnyder5337]

not as much as you would think - the interior deminsions are lacking.

[@MikeForsythe]

@@davidferrara CX-90 is awesome

[@tannert7525]

Can we all share a moment of silence for the Kia Borrego? That was when the tables starting turning in the Koreans’ favor in the NAM. Shame it was so short lived, but I’m glad its eventual successor is crushing it.

[@remiilatte]

I don’t understand why Kia never offered a hybrid of plugin hybrid for the telluride. Here’s to hoping the next generation will.

[@JT-fq2bl]

They didn't think it needed one, didn't have any hybrid tech for it, and they weren't sure it would be a success. Also, this was made before Covid Crazy and Bidenomics. I see this as a blessing now the market want hybrid 3 row crossovers and Toyota turned off some of their buyers with a all 4 cylinder lineup. Telluride is getting a detuned version of the 3.5t v6 from Genesis (VW could've lead the charge with their 2.5t v6 from China), and 2.5t hybrid which will spread throughout the 3 brands.

[@AAutoBuyersGuide]

Kia felt the existing hybrids wouldn't deliver the performance customers wanted. The next gen model is rumored to get a new 2.5L Hybrid system.

[@Mr21scott]

@@JT-fq2bl Naveen, Toyota sells a ton more cars even with 4 cylinders. Your opinions are not facts, sorry.

[@JasonNaughton]

Nothing like having twice the maint... One for the combustion side and another bill for the hybrid part. Customers pay for it in the end maintenance wise

[@JT-fq2bl]

@Mr21scott I'm aware of Toyota sells a lot of 4 cylinder engines and their fanbase will settle, but none of them is enthusiastic about the 2.4t engine, particularly in the Grand Highlander and Lexus RX. The Grand Highlander with the 2.4t is not good against the competitor's v6 and turbocharged I-4 engines. You need the hybrid or the max to beat the competition.

[@jsfbay1]

Alex, what '24 Pilot costs $57k? We just bought an Elite with an optional paint color and it was $54-something MSRP....

[@BridgemansBigBeautifulLife]

The room in the second row of this vehicle is huge. I am 6'4" 395 pounds and I had plenty of room and the seats were extermely comfortable.

[@stephaniehulsey3491]

I really wish that Kia would send out a product suggestion letter to the owners of Telluride , there are quite a few features that they really could update! more leg room at driver seat, more storage compartments ( maybe under the 2nd row floor board and the "cup" holder in the door... waste ( does not hold a bottle unless it is a small bottle.

[@Luma_29]

The lack of hybrid is really gonna hurt sales. I won’t be surprised if Grand Highlander inevitably ends up on top.

[@_jg00]

Keep wishing. 😂 drivers who want the attractive Telluride are not going to be swayed to an ugly Grand Highlander for a hybrid powertrain.

[@Mr21scott]

@@_jg00 Naveen, the Highlander and Grand Highlander together sell many many times more than the Kia. Facts are facts.

[@Yourleftismyright88]

Rumor is next gen is going have a hybrid powertrain.

[@naveenthemachine]

@@Mr21scottthat account isn’t me LOL

[@DeadAir21]

Hurt sales. The past 3 years they couldn’t keep these in stock. Most people who drive vehicles this big do not care about it being a hybrid. That’s why they’re few hybrids in this segment.

[@levinsondl]

26 mpg! I'm super gentle with the car (not on purpose, that's just my driving style especially with small kids in the back) and consistently getting 26 mpg (mixed driving in NE FL) so fuel consumption is not a big disadvantage for me vs the highlander. Like Alex I prefer the style of the Telly any day. Reliability on the other hand... we'll have to wait and see. So far 45k and only two small issues (dead battery and thermostat) that were replaced under warranty (5/60k bumper to bumper mind you)

[@Robert-d3b3s]

I have got up to 31 mpg on a trip. Love our Telluride.

[@shebamut]

Bought my SX AWD in San Jose, Calif;. paid 5000k over asking back in 2021. Today, I would get the Highlander Hybrid. My Kia in comfort mode is pretty gutless. I have to be in Sport mode to get off the line. But, Two years with no problems.

[@naveenthemachine]

No you really shouldn’t bother w this highlander Your telluride is far superior to it even with markups. Giving up too much like build quality fit finish features tech comfort space driving experience nvh etc just to get high Fuel economy is absurd.

[@ronkemperful]

Paying over sticker for a car makes as much sense as paying more than list price for bananas, for a box of cereal or paying more than an advertised price for an airplane ticket. We would scream if overcharged by a retailer, but somehow it’s okay for a car dealer to practice stealing, bait and switch, and to lowball their customers for trade in’s. It is time for some national antifraud legislation to bust the monopolistic power of the dealership lobby. I hope more customers walk away from traditional professional ripoff, pickpockets that car dealers have become.

[@randyp9491]

there's a way around all of that that ive discovered when I purchased my Telluride 3 weeks ago and my plan worked and I got 5k more for my trade in and got them to take off all of the additional markups.

[@ronkemperful]

I am glad that you had that experience. Must be a great dealership.@@randyp9491

[@jjohnsonz24]

And what's the way around it? ​@@randyp9491

[@TheSiGuy]

The MPG's in real world driving is a win for me. I have a SX-Prestige X-Line and regularly average above 22 mpg which is 2+ over the EPA combined rating of 20 mpg. When we drive long highway distances we easily get 25+ mpg.

[@OhTheNormanity]

Test drove a Gran Highlander today and we discounted it due to its uncomfortable head restraints that push your head forward. Total dealer breaker.

[@michaelkennedy4646]

Absolutely no problems on my 21 telluride 60k miles

[@LumberjackAdam]

Alex, you talk about the Acura in this but there’s no mention of the CX90. I know Mazda is trying to move up market, but there’s a good bit of overlap in the price ranges.

[@th003g]

The Cx90 suffers the same problems the CX9 did, its too small to compete with Grand Highlander and Telluride. Is the interior nicer in the upper trims, yes. CX90 feels like an unfinished product as the transmission and suspension/steering have raised concerns. Cx90 driving aids are a bit unfinished as well.

[@AAutoBuyersGuide]

Check out our CX-90 video, I take a deeper look there.

[@georgesnyder5337]

That doesn't answer the question at all ; the MDX was referenced so the point is somewhat moot@@th003g

[@th003g]

@georgesnyder5337 I believe he mentions it In terms of FWD based platforms and handling. The CX90 is a Rwd plaform that should make it handle better but causes the legroom and cargo room issues.

[@sarahDe5]

The Telluride is just more attractive than the rest.

[@naveenthemachine]

And more luxurious and better quality than the grand highlander

[@Rick-m3c]

Thanks for the thorough review. I really appreciated you taking the time to discuss how quiet the cabin is. That is very important to me and very few reviews even mention it. Do you know if the palisade is as quiet as the Kia? Are there any other SUVs, including luxury that are quieter than the telluride? Also do you have any info on how the telluride does in deeper snow? Thanks again.

[@bfish9700]

Palisade calligraphy for me, although i think the Santa fe will suit my needs nicely. Interested in yhe hyundai hybrid system too as ive used my trailer hitch twice in 10 years.

[@SilverScarletSpider]

9:42 my one big complaint about this video is that it neglects to show Honda Pilot interior space numbers against the Highlander, Telluride, Palisade, and Pathfinder. Those are the direct competition, while showing GMC Acadia, Traverse, and Cherokee L numbers is just worthless data relatively speaking

[@kyolml]

grand highlander 4 months ago were the same markup if not more than the Telluride, or waiting for 2 years for Hybirds for no-markup dealers, you can only buy the regular Turbo for MSRP, but it's not cheap, while the Telluride was $6k under MSRP plus some craps the dealer asked me to buy so it's about $4k off, which I chose it's just much better deal than Grand Highlander being cheaper and getting more stuff in Tech, comfort, and luxury, I just can't get over how cheap the interior feel in the Grand Highlander while being $5k more expesnive and no camera and ergo seats (telluride has partial ergo seats in the back like Pallisade is full one including the bottom)

[@naveenthemachine]

The telluride is a better deal and honestly a better vehicle all around than the grand highlander

[@sheldonduffy9442]

Where did you find a Telluride for UNDER MSRP?

[@kyolml]

⁠@@sheldonduffy9442SoCal has a few dealers if you do your homework look for them. Kia of Irvine and Car Pros Glendale are two of them

[@jamesbarron5590]

Alex may not like Black wheels but obviously a lot of people do. I’m seeing more and more brands with the black wheels. I have a 2021 Telluride and I love it. I was considering upgrading since the used/trade in value is great. I’m bummed that they got rid of the surround amber headlamp. The fuel economy of the Grand Highlander sounds great but I would rather enjoy driving my vehicle with nicer feeling materials and options.

[@leyi26]

Thanks for the video. So what are the top 2 selling 3 row SUV's ?

[@SilverScarletSpider]

Probably the Ford Exploder 😂

[@alancbackman]

Re the grand highlander, we tried it. But two things. First, I just found the seats or the seat well too narrow and uncomfortable. Second, quite simply, the grand highlander was almost 20% more expensive for comparable trims. Both the Pilot and the Telluride were around $44 k for mid-level trim. But the Grand Highlander was over $50 k. The regular highlander is more comparable in terms of price but I wouldn't buy the regular highlander due to poor 3rd row.

[@SilverScarletSpider]

good data! thanks for sharing, it really is a shame how bad the regular highlander’s third row is. probably the pilot is the choice

[@shirazrasul]

Not sure what the point is in comparing the Telluride with more expensive SUV's (ex. Grand Highlander, which starts at the fully loaded cost of a Telluride). At the price point the Telluride is, it probably is the best 3 row you can buy.

[@skexzies3673]

Thank goodness this isn't one of the disastrous Hybrid vehicles with their antiquated NiMH battery packs. Nice to see a real motor under the hood and not an over-engineered turbo with worse reliability. No wonder this sells so well...even has a real transmission!

[@Jgjginkg244]

Chemistry is very important in a relationship. I can’t be with less attractive person just because they eat less!! Bring the V6!! Telluride > GH

[@elthionel]

Disappointed you didn't include the Ascent in your comparison. Best value in the segment, better driving characteristics, better reliability, MUCH cheaper. We liked the Telluride in 2019 and drove the new model again recently but don't think its worth the price premium.

[@ricodeguzman5338]

Agree. I traded my cx9 recently. Test drove an atlas, telluride and ascent. Went with the Subaru as it offers best bang for the buck - boxer engine, top safety rating, symmetrical AWD.

[@golfergears]

@@ricodeguzman5338 I think they just changed the motor rockers or cams. Something like that on the subaru Ascent. Makes me nervous when they do that and no history.

[@randyp9491]

you make great review videos as you leave nothing out! I recently purchased a Telluride at the end of December so about 3 weeks ago and I really like it. You nailed what the competition is exactly because I also checked out the Pilot, the Atlas, the Highlander, and the Palisade ---- I might had gone with the Pilot but the salesman literally ghosted me after a month of looking and comparing. The Atlas has great roomy interior, but also the ugliest interior and it's low to the ground and you feel like you're in a car, not a suv. The highlander looked very nice inside and out but felt so small and cramped inside. The palisade was kinda too what's the word for it.... I just felt like there were some weird 70's vibes going on with that velvet cheesy headliner like all it needed was shag carpet and a cigarette lighter and an ashtray . oh btw I was coming off of selling my Yukon XL a couple months previously and since I couldn't afford a new Yukon (my first choice) and the 24 Acadia doesn't seem like it'll ever be in stock---I felt the Telluride was the closest to a Yukon except being mid-sized. The biggest downside on the Telluride is the almost non-existent trunk space behind the 3rd row compared to my XL Yukon. But the handling and comfort and ride is the closest to the Yukon I've found and Id also say the Telluride is the best handling suv I've ever owned. my Yukon would fishtail when I accelerated in rainy conditions no matter how smooth I thought I was pressing down on the gas pedal-- this AWD really grips the road in all conditions and there is no sliding around whatsoever. the comfort is on par with the Yukon also and as far al exterior colors go, there's none better than what Kia offers on the Telluride. I'm a Black, white, or grey paint color kind of guy so that's fantastic----but also those dark, almost black browns and greens the Telluride comes in are very nice too. The wold grey is the ultimate car color imo. all told I'd give my Telluride a 9/10 stars with that one missing star for how small it is. they need an XL option

[@jsfbay1]

Did you mean to strike through the 4 lines in the middle of your comment? I agree that the new Yukon (and Tahoe and Suburban) are too expensive now; we could pretty easily afford the top Suburban trim in 2001, but whoa the prices today are insane. We bought the Pilot after years of looking. Love the Telluride as well though.

[@randyp9491]

@@jsfbay1 yeah I saw that too. I didn’t do it. Idk why that happened. I tried to remove it but it wouldn’t. Maybe it’s a glitch. But yeah the pilot and the telluride were my top 2 choices. I’d be happy with the pilot too

[@randyp9491]

@@jsfbay1 I just noticed some weird typos that were autocorrect, not me. I know it’s WOLF grey for the color not whatever it changed too

[@diabolox1272]

Waiting for the Santa Fe 2024 and Telluride 2025....

[@LionRunner]

I don't know if Toyota can come back because Toyota lovers like myself has cut-off the Highlander & Grand Highlander from my list because of the new turbo engine. I guess more people might me on the same thought process.

[@naveenthemachine]

And also Toyota overcharges for low quality and poor fit finish

[@LionRunner]

@@naveenthemachine I haven't got my hands on the 2024s yet. However one of my friend got a 2024 Sienna Platinum said the same about fit and finish. Have to stop by and a dealer and see how bad they are compared to previous generation.

[@MikeForsythe]

The base 4 has just a bit more hp and more torque than this. The hybrid max makes substantially more power and MPG. It will be fine😊

[@naveenthemachine]

@@MikeForsythe but the base turbo is also slower than the telluride palisade pilot cx90 traverse Acadia pathfinder 😂 The hybrid max is barely faster than a ford explorer 2.3 but still slower than the twin turbo Explorer. Still slower than the MDX type S despite having more power and torque than that MDX

[@Keefer24]

@@MikeForsythepower isn’t everything bud, especially when you’re buying a big suv. Toyota has fallen off a cliff.

[@rightlanehog3151]

Alex, Toyota must be crying all the way to the bank with their SUV of the Year®Grand Highlander replacing the Highlander on the sales list. 🤣😂

[@Monkeyseemonkey79]

I'm not following... What's the gag here?

[@rightlanehog3151]

@@Monkeyseemonkey79 Toyota cashes a bigger check when they sell a Grand Highlander.

[@Monkeyseemonkey79]

@@rightlanehog3151 I get that - that's basic math - I'm just not seeing the funny bit. Sorry, I probably need another coffee!

[@miketumillo7875]

I hope the new 2025 has more small storage space up front like the highlander and Grand Highlander has in it.

[@WaheedKhan-mm3pw]

Combined legroom for the grand highlander is all wrong. It only has 114.7 in of legroom not 118.8. Please update it, it is misleading. 41.7 + 39.5 + 33.5 = 114.7

[@naveenthemachine]

So it’s still not the most spacious in its class 😂

[@MarkM58]

Just finished a 3500 mile roadtrip in my 2022 KIA Carnival. It was loaded to the gills with suitcases, a rollator and wheelchair for our friend. What a great vehicle! It has 59,500 miles on it and the warranty is expiring. I am going to buy a Palisade tomorrow because the KIA dealers can't keep up in the service departments around here. Takes 3 weeks to get in. The Hyundai dealer is 1/2 mile away and they have a larger service capacity. I also like the poshness of the Palisade interior. I don't know how I will like the push-button transmission, but I will get used to it.

[@dswaggs92]

Don't count on it. We traded our Sante Fe in solely because of that stupid push button transmission. There is no muscle memory for random spaced buttons. Also, warning to all reading this. If the car is coasting in reverse, even just another inch or two as you push the drive button, it won't shift into drive like it does with a gear shifter. Then you do what we've been doing all our lives and hit the gas to move forward and the car launches in reverse. Stupid dangerous and someone will surely get in an accident or hit someone due to this feature. I almost backed into a car in a parking lot because it didn't disengage reverse.

[@zekew7546]

[rear] “turn-signals being red there.” ? Are they actually red rear turn-signals on the ‘24 Telluride, or are they flashing yellow, - as they appear yellow on video? I assume all ‘24 bulbs are LED, except maybe license plate light.

[@jimlittle5769]

I was seriously considering a Telluride. Took a test ride around two weeks ago. Now, I'm thinking I'll pass...at least for another couple years or so. Edit, bought the fully loaded version. LOVE it!

[@magnoliap5824]

I want the smaller SUV with a v6 engine. I’d pick the Telluride or Palisade no question over the GH.

[@naveenthemachine]

Agreed. To no one’s surprise the GH failed miserably to compete with the telluride or palisade. Those two are just on new levels that Toyota or even Lexus could only dream of approaching

[@spartaragekick6202]

the lights look rlly sick lookin...

[@jackstein5486]

The problem with all these 4 cylinders replacing the 6 cylinders is that while they get 33% better fuel economy you also pay for premium instead of regular and that cost about 25% more negating most of the better fuel economy of the 6. The 6 has far better low end torque and it feels just right in the Palisade/Telluride.

[@ALMX5DP]

which turbo 4 are you referring to? Many in this segment or type of vehicle just require 87.

[@trenton737]

The 2.3EB in the Explorer is definitely better than the V6 engines from the competition.

[@Mr21scott]

It's NOT just about the cost; it's about the environment. But you already know that (and your made-up statistics aren't even accurate in the first place).

[@TypicalGuy84]

The turbo engines only get better gas mileage when you are pussyfooting around. If you actually use the claimed power, they have the mileage will be comparable

[@TypicalGuy84]

You cant make more horsepower without fuel. More air needs more fuel otherwise the engine will run to lean

[@BrettGilbertLightguy48]

Great detailed review, I really enjoyed the video!

[@alexcraig7911]

Interesting that you gave it an A+ in handling, as I'd give about a C. I have an MDX (not a Type S), and recently borrowed a friend's 2023 Telluride for the weekend as I'm considering it once the lease on my MDX is up. Overall I really liked the Telluride, but wow the handling isn't even remotely close to the MDX. (or the new Pilot, or frankly any other vehicle in this category) It drives like a truck, lot of a body lean in corners, etc. Which is crazy because it's not a truck. The engine is pretty lackluster as well, though that didn't bother me nearly as much as how it drove - which was a night-and-day difference compared to the Acura. Maybe the 2024 Telluride has improved in that regard?? Love your channel and your reviews Alex!

[@naveenthemachine]

The MDX is a better handling and performing sub. You’d expect that considering it’s a lot more expensive

[@alexcraig7911]

@@naveenthemachine He directly compared it to the MDX when talking about the handling. Also, depends on the trim level - the lower trims are not that much more than the Telluride. The new Pilot handles similarly to the MDX. (it's on the same platform and has the same excellent AWD system)

[@naveenthemachine]

@@alexcraig7911because he also mentioned the pilot which also has sh awd. The MDX though will drive better because of its double wishbone front suspension so driving dynamics between the pilot and MDX aren’t exactly the same

[@alexcraig7911]

@@naveenthemachine I completely agree with you, but again he made a direct comparison (talking about handling) to the MDX. He said something to the effect that it's comparable if you have the front-wheel drive, but the MDX is slightly more engaging in AWD. I'm coming up on 3 years in my MDX, and all I can say is the handling of the Telluride is not comparable at all. Nor is it comparable to the new Pilot, nor to the Highlander or Grand Highlander all of which I've driven a couple of times recently as I've been car shopping. All that said, I really like the Telly but it's obvious where Kia spent the money and where they didn't.

[@georgesnyder5337]

Literally no one else says this car handles well. The Pilot is certainly a better handling vehicle, particularly given the design of the AWD system. Good grief.

[@joec1774]

I think the Grand Highlander Hybrid Max - at sub-6 to 60 - is more than a little quicker than this. And given the MPGs, I still think its one of the better powertrains in the segment. @Alex/@Auto Buyers Guide - have you driven the final production Hybrid Max + 6-speed? Do you still have the minor qualms with the 6A? This is pretty much the only publication that I've seen critique that powertrain in this way, and ya'll are more nuanced in reviews, so genuinely curious here.

[@naveenthemachine]

But the GH is not as nice or as high quality as the telluride

[@MugatuJag]

It’s absolutely absurd that they still haven’t put LED license plate bulbs in a $50,000 vehicle, they can probably get them for a penny

[@uium]

When are you testing the new pilot?

[@jasonchesna1392]

Just test drove new pilot & telluride back to back Kia was noticeably quicker off the line trans was smooth , the pilot’s transmission was very quirky and stumbled out of the gate, pilot definitely wins the storage compartment area tho

[@uium]

@@jasonchesna1392 which one is quieter on the road? I drove a honda accord and it was too loud! And i did read that it is a honda issue all their cars are loud!

[@tracinelson8181]

Having problems with transmission in GMC Acadia. Parts are on back order and dealership will call when available.

[@chaehwanlim1562]

I have been driving 2021 sx trim. This GDI ENGINE consumes lot of engine oil, I have to top up the oil every 2-3weeks and 3 years after I bought it, it was struggling to start, fail to start, get stalled after auto engine shut off, Dealership charged me $600 for new battery, $700 for sensor, but they failed to fix it, now its completely dead completely dead. It was my big mistake that I bought this Korean vehicle, falsely thinking They have improved the quality of their products. What a waste of money with lot of frustration. My family, friends, coworkers, are never going to buy any Korean products any more.

[@donroyal750]

4 cylinder turbo = Hot!

[@2GoodLookin]

Did you lose weight? Looking good my friend. 👏🙌

[@MK72017GTI]

Kia telluride, imagine they were to have power like Ford ST EXPLORER 405hp. If they build the telluride like kia stringer 😂 I would definitely buy one for sure.

[@MDKN22]

I was in a Grand Highlander Platinum this weekend at an auto show... other than the third row, I really wasn't impressed. I don't get the hype behind the GH.

[@naveenthemachine]

Me either. The GH is another disappointment as usual from Toyota The gh pales in comparison to its rivals in design quality materials fit finish tech luxury features etc. the hybrid is nice though

[@Mr21scott]

@@naveenthemachine It doesn't matter how many screen names you use, we know it's you. 🤣🤣🤣 Toyota also recently sold the most cars it has ever sold in a month, thereby negating your claims from 100 years ago that they were literally going to go out of business thanks to Fireballs er I mean Kias and Hyundais.

[@naveenthemachine]

@@Mr21scott you’re acting as if selling more means they’re better but that’s not how it works Toyota outsells Mazda. But we all know Mazda is far superior to Toyota.

[@MDKN22]

@@naveenthemachine build quality is up there but some of the material choices are a bit weird. Its also weird how Toyota has to make a knob and multiple buttons for drive modes, especially with the SNOW mode being separate from the cluster. Toyota desperately needs to stop doing that and just throw everything into that drive mode dial, its not gonna kill them.

[@LukeO-1234]

When will you drive the new ranger with the 2.7 ecoboost?

[@edgarcorrado]

Is High way driving assistant 2.0 upgradeable at the dealer? I have 1.5 in my telluride

[@stargate25645]

How well does lane centering work compared to other brands (or the Toyota, since it was mentioned often)?

[@michaels7984]

It works well. The hyundai/Kia driver assistance tech is some of the best until you go up to supercruise and stuff like that that requires subscriptions.

[@MDKN22]

Much better. Toyotas are a bit more late to react and aren't as smooth.

[@nj6441]

You are surprised that Atlas has only 2 seats in the third row, but do you really think that 3 adults can actually sit back there? And if it's meant for kids, then can 3 car seats fit back there? Maybe 3 skinny teenage kids only. So it may be better to get 2 nicer comfy seats than 3 tight spaces. Or maybe I don't get why the false advertising of 3 seats. Just my honest opinion

[@rustlesee]

So it’s the Jeep Grand Cherokee, Ford Explorer and then Kia and Toyota are fighting over number three?

[@batgele2796]

not a single mention of the CX-90. wow, way to go!

[@kromahj]

That because, Toyota created the GH because of the telluride. Telluride was eating the regular highlander lunch. I think that why he compare to the GH

[@jay_b..]

What about the Lexus TX?

[@naveenthemachine]

Telluride obliterates the TX in every way possible The tx and grand highlander are objectively nonexistent. Pretend they don’t exist as they’re subpar and incredibly uncompetitive vs the competition

[@jimlittle5769]

The one thing that keeps the Telluride the winner is 10 year warranty.

[@trip31]

We are couple with 2 pets and no kids. We really like this car but are unsure if this is too big if we are not planning to have kids in future.

[@swirl253]

Nah on the Toyota!!! I want a 6 cylinder and Chevy going to 4 too

[@jerzypawlik9445]

Mazda Cx-90 is the best one in the class. Second is Highlander ,Pilot,

[@ddduva4440]

We just bought an ‘S’ for $1500 under MSRP.

[@alwaysright2364]

Good video.

[@ruturaj47]

As much as I enjoy my kia stinger, I don't want to set foot in to kia dealership unless absolutely necessary. Markups on everything, all models and even parts. While on other hand my Subaru experience has been much better after buying BRZ. I am not a fan of every other offering from Subaru than BRZ and WRX. I would probably get used sequoia instead all or new pilot.

[@garrettw99]

One time I went to a Hyundai dealer to test drive a Veloster Turbo with a friend, who was considering buying one. The sales guy said I wasn’t allowed to be a passenger because I would upset the weight balance of the car and make it feel heavier than it actually was. I’m 5’10 and 150 lbs 😂 He reminded me that I told him I wasn’t looking into buying a car. Needless to say, we left the dealer laughing at him and never drove the car

[@ruturaj47]

@@garrettw99 lol, some dealership employee are another level stupid 😂.

[@craig2100]

How does this compare to the vw atlas cross sport

[@ericrainey8224]

It doesn't, gotta compare it with an Atlas. ACS compares with a Sportage or Tucson

[@golfergears]

Which one does better at towing? Hate the fact Toyota went to 4cyl. turbo motors.

[@supriyasou3722]

What’s first and second in the segment then?

[@G-Rated]

Not the Hyundai Palisade, that’s for sure.

[@trenton737]

Explorer and Traverse

[@stephenj4937]

@@trenton737 Grand Cherokee is 1, Explorer 2

[@trenton737]

@@stephenj4937 Jeep combines 2 row & 3 row sales figures, which is why it appears that they're #1.

[@Keefer24]

@@stephenj4937People still buy exploders and jeeps ? 😂

[@fozzybear9114]

The zf 8 spd found in rolls royce, bmw, and stellantis products is rhe smoothest fastest tranny you can buy and EVERYBODY KNOWS IT

[@silverhorder1969]

Been seeing more than a few videos where the new Tellurides are using oil. Also it’s an outdated motor without hydraulic lifters. Yes it’s a beautiful vehicle. No I would not be a buyer.

[@katanamast279]

Which two vehicles are selling more than the Telluride?

[@obedjimenez4229]

Explorer & Highlander. Also the the Grand Cherokee if you include the L

[@kromahj]

@@obedjimenez4229not true, the Kia telluride was beating the regular highlander , because of the telluride, Toyota created the grand highlander. And also the telluride is now old now .

[@obedjimenez4229]

@@kromahj wrong, here are the stats Grand Cherokee 61,724 Explorer 48,667 Highlander31,365 Telluride, 26,784 Grand Highlander 23,360

[@truth959]

It's certainly a better looking SUV than the others.

[@conniefoxx9813]

I don't give a rat's patoot about how well a vehicle sells. I want to know how reliable is that vehicle....am I going to spend a fortune in repairs before I get to pay it off.

[@jedwardchorse-nr6um]

2024 big recalls... to bad... I wanted one...... not now

[@SilverScarletSpider]

so the question now is: Toyota Highlander vs Honda Pilot vs Nissan Pathfinder?