The 3 Steps To Fix Sony’s Spider-Verse Following Madame Web Disaster

The TJCS crew discuss 3 steps Sony should take in order to fix their Spider-Man Universe after the disaster of the Madame Web film.
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[@evanmorris6057]

Here are the steps required to fix the live action Spider-Verse. 1. Abandon it altogether 2. Focus on animated Spider-Verse films 3. Let Marvel Studios make the live action films.

[@stefanfilipovits21]

Using obscure and unfamiliar characters that work waaaaaay better in supporting roles (kraven, morbius, madame web, venom) and centering them is a massive mistake too

[@marvelprince]

I disagree. I think you make anyone a great focus of a film once the story is good. They just don’t care here.

[@kyled8940]

Stop making Spider-Man movies without Spider-Man.

[@IMZ44]

Theres only one step Sony should do. Stop making live action comic book films.

[@SosaA11]

Exactly give marvel full control of all live action Spider-Man characters and just make a deal where you get half the okay you own character dumb dumb🤣

[@jonathana6429]

@@SosaA11ok let’s completely forget about venom 1, the Raimi Trilogy and the Amazing Spiderman

[@Marshmallowdamanv3]

@@jonathana6429amazing Spider-Man sadly wasn’t the success we remember hence no 3d film and Sony messed up Spider-Man 3 and ultimately would’ve the 4th movie

[@marlow21]

It baffles me how Sony can make compelling stories on video games but most of their movie stories sucks. Lol

[@IMZ44]

@@jonathana6429 Sony will have hits, but the misses outnumbered them.

[@zmomoney4529]

You can’t fix it. Venom - Sucked Venom 2 - Sucked Morbius - Sucked Madame Web - Sucked Kraken - Looks horrible Venom 3- Probably gonna suck El Muerto - LOL I’d say they fumbled the audience as bad as DC but I don’t think people care nearly enough about this “cinematic universe”. Sony has flooded the already wounded Superhero market with horrible bombs.

[@dougsmith4602]

1) Cancel it, 2) throw it in the toilet, 3) flush the toilet

[@dragonhead99]

4.) Sell it for the higher bidder

[@brianpeppard601]

This is the real answer. They've released four movies and none were well-received. Time to go in a different direction.

[@_moegreen5770]

3 steps to fix Spiderverse 1:) stop referencing Spiderman without an actual Spiderman ( duhh ) 2:) stop turning villains into anti heroes for no reason 3:) give rights back to Marvel if you don’t do step 1 or 2

[@solidsnake973]

There is no such thing as "superhero fatigue".* cue the Deadpool/Wolverine trailer, then the X-men 97 trailer.People respond negatively to poorly written content.

[@JaredK511]

SONY made this movie because of the main character’s ability to tap into the multiverse which is all the rage in superhero movies nowadays. They figured they could use Madam Webb as an easy plot device for more multiverse movies.

[@juanluismendoza8655]

Exactly. They wanted a multiverse-centric character like Doctor Strange and Madame Web is pretty much the Spider-Man equivalent of Doctor Strange.

[@jakenight5147]

people will complain about DEI and demand we hire the best most qualified people for the job. But, there's crickets when the writers of Morbius do trash jobs after trash jobs. Yet get hired back.

[@CuriousCorduroy]

Kraven legitimately looks on par with Morbius and Madame Web.

[@jeffhouse3201]

Short of making an offer to Disney to sell the rights back, don’t green light any movie that Amy Pascal does not sign off on.

[@billymoore7182]

Superhero fatigue isn't real. Bad movie fatigue is.

[@zacazzz]

But who wants it fixed? We just had enough.

[@juans8356]

How to fix Sony's issue. Sell Spiderman rights back to Marvel.

[@hulkbeast8759]

Marvel is making crap movies nowadays

[@juliusjean-baptiste924]

@@hulkbeast8759but they got spider-man right and the movies have been successful with the writing and directing team that they have for that franchise.

[@jamesgatz4490]

Step 1: Put it... Step 2: in the... Step 3: BIN 🚮

[@alexx.malexx]

1) Admit the movie is bad 2) Give Marvel the rights to Spider-Man 3) Never talk about it again

[@jefferychen4900]

It’s baffling that Sony would throw away money and lose those gains from the Spider-Man movies. 🤔 😣 🕸️🕷️

[@bigblueboyscout1]

As long as Sony makes money from MCU Spider-Man, that's all that matters to them. That's their bread and butter sadly. Oh, and the animated Spider-Man movies so far.

[@marco469]

The steps to fix it are: don’t write another one, don’t direct another one, don’t act in another one.

[@adamstark04]

For what they spent on Madame Web and Kraven They could’ve made an Andrew Garfield movie on the heels of no way home and made a boatload of money.

[@kendallandrews8691]

And that's what they should have done

[@c4v3m4n27]

But it still would have been bad.

[@justjoddat]

There's one step. Only one step. Sell it back to Marvel Studios.

[@collin.a.]

just focus on making a compelling movie. they think they can have loose ties to spider man and turn in a terrible movie and call it a day. audiences are smarter than that

[@mike9512]

They're making bad Spider-Man movies without Spider-Man in them. I feel like that is the core issue.

[@johncampea]

Putting Spider-Man in a bad movie would still be a bad movie.

[@JoshCarlos1998]

@@johncampeacase and point Spider-Man 3 & amazing Spider-Man 2

[@mike9512]

@@johncampea oh, that is true.

[@mustakimrahman1098]

Here's a bright idea!!! How about having a Spiderman in the cinematic universe literally called "Spider-verse" and connect the movies by having him go up against all the villains you have established???

[@brendanalexcurran3429]

Give up the rights to Marvel…. Marvel made the mistake of trying to get spider man in their movies and making Tom Holland Popular…. Had they not done that Sony would be close to giving up the rights to spider man

[@brg9327]

Step 1) Have a lead producer who understands the source material and the business. Ideally someone with a vision for this franchise. Step 2) Hire good writers and directors. Step 3) Keep the budgets reasonable. Step 4) Profit. Make good films and people are more likely to watch and support them. Popular films make more money, which means sequels. Which means a lot greater profit potential. For an experienced movie studio which has made plenty of great movies, including Spiderman, this should be very fucking obvious.

[@lumpygravy100]

Marvel studios should buy back the rights for spider-man and make the right stories that really matter.

[@phantomthiefzx]

Does Marvel Studios have $4 billion dollars to buy the rights back?

[@k--music]

They need to stop

[@kylequest]

The best fix, sell it to Disney.

[@tomcruise443]

In your pipe dream

[@Ghost-27X]

3 Steps to fix this mess..🤔 1. Move on 2. Forget these "Bad" movies exist. 3. Never make Spider-man U movies without Spider-man in them.😂😂

[@jasonmosse6381]

If Kraven bombs, people won't ever go see other live Sony Spiderverse movies. Look at DC, when the audience stops caring. It's over. And I saw Aquaman 2, The Flash and Black Adam. They were decent, but the audience stopped caring because they knew James Gunn was rebooting the DC universe.

[@ChristianJ18]

Venom 1 yes, but I felt venom 2 was either a little rushed or not the same effort.

[@drewptosh8461]

While I’ll give them credit for The Last of Us show, MCU Spider-Man, and the Spider-Verse films, the output at Sony’s film division has been otherwise awful. Venom, Madame Web, Morbius, and Uncharted are so hollow and creatively bankrupt that it genuinely boggles the mind. On the flip side, while their game division isn’t perfect, they’ve genuinely knocked it out of the park with quality storytelling (Uncharted, Horizon, God of War, Last of Us, Ghost of Tsushima, Spider-Man). Games aren’t movies but my god, why can’t they put the same kind of care and attention into their films? It’s insane.

[@patnull]

I think #2 is key because fundamentally, you need to start with a good script. Because I don't care how great a director you are, if you have a bad script, the movie is gonna suck.

[@WOLVERINE25TH]

Give up and give the rights back to Disney. Sony has been lackluster for a long time now. I think the only reason they're not going under like Paramount is their one good decision to stay out of the streaming wars.

[@MTTT19]

They should just scrap the Non Spider-Man SpiderVerse and just focus on the Animated SpiderVerse Films.

[@DylanMadd]

John has been right this whole time: Venom’s success was a big problem. It never was very good & succeeded on the back of a weird & engaging lead performance. But it never made much sense. Venom looks the way he does BECAUSE he bonded with Spiderman. I’m sure it’s been fleshed out in comics. Either way, it was weird and didn’t work other than being kind of fun. Nothing else has come close to that success. Including Venom 2. Generally, it’s like the Batman universe: what’s the deal with ALL these shows and movies WITHOUT the central character?!?

[@DylanMadd]

@@j04370859 Yes! That’s what I mean. Venom was such a hit, Sony has kept making these Spiderman-less Spiderman movies. I just happen to think Venom wasn’t successful for the reasons Sony seems to have thought. That’s my contribution but I conflated my thoughts with what John’s been saying. Hard to explain it all in a comment. But yes, John has talked a lot about enjoying Venom. It’s true.

[@metalliholic]

That Kraven trailer looked slightly better than the Madam Web trailer. So its most likely going to be shit

[@JR-nq7mc]

Step 1: Stop making bad movies Step 2: Make a good movie Step 3: Profit

[@babytoshiro7014]

Sony only cares about the IP. That's it. If they want a good movie then they wouldn't hire the same writers.

[@KingDavid00]

I have a hard time understanding how you can go from Spider-Verse 2 to this

[@TheBTSMACLVOR]

Different departments.

[@KingDavid00]

@@TheBTSMACLVOR That shouldn’t be an excuse to let your live action films flip this hard

[@hanifameen4056]

My cinema was packed. Even the seats we were originally trying to book were booked WHILE we were about to book it. Ofc everyone who came had no idea what they were in for😂😂😂

[@juliusjean-baptiste924]

Stop making films about b/c list villains and hiring writers with bad track records to write these films. Hire writers who reference source material and creatives who respect and honor the source material. Clarkson, even though this was her first feature, but this looked like a feature length CW show. Just let Marvel take creative control over it and just sit back and collect the paycheck because Disney/Marvel know what they’re doing. But fire the execs that green light these bad movies because at some point they have to be held accountable

[@TwinRiver100]

...yeah, don't agree with Campea at all on Zazlav specifically what he did with Coyote vs Acme. And i wanted to see what they had in mind for Batgirl.

[@marcomarc151]

You're right on the part of slowing down one or two movies per year is enough, Also since marvel is on their multiverse saga right now, right way to tie those to sony's, is their many versions of spiderman center that ain't peter parker. Make movies out of those. Lastly they should just make their sinister 6 after the multiverse saga, where in instead of making movies out of those characters, they just need to make those sinister six from the multiverse that was already fought by other version of spideys and let say put them in one universe and give them a reason to hunt down the peter parker spidey.

[@AceTheSkylord]

Step 1: Stop

[@ThomasMieses]

Sony can improve their Spider-Verse by focusing on strong storytelling, character development, and maintaining consistency within the universe. They should collaborate closely with talented writers, directors, and producers to ensure that each film feels connected yet distinct. Additionally, they could explore new and diverse storylines, introduce compelling villains, and prioritize the quality of animation or special effects to enhance the overall viewing experience. Engaging with audience feedback and staying true to the essence of Spider-Man while taking creative risks could also help revitalize the franchise.

[@nataliajimenez1870]

They are hiring horrible writers and weak directors. And on top of that hired a lead that can't project any emotion besides monotone disinterest. Plus they need to be patient to build a story and not do the disaster that was presented in the post-credit scenes of Morbius

[@omadayusjones6414]

Couldn’t agree with you more. ‘Nuff Said! Sony needs a James Gunn or Kevin Feige of their own to promote cohesion in their cinematic universe stat.

[@juliusjean-baptiste924]

Those dudes are big comic nerds too

[@ToddMiley89]

Sony needs to put Spider-Man in their "Spider-Man" universe.

[@johncampea]

If they’re making bad movies putting Spider-Man in it isn’t going to help.

[@stupidargentmofo705]

@@johncampeaI think you’re missing the point of his comment there, putting Spiderman in it is a “oh no du thing”. I feel you read this man’s comment and thought you have to correct him on something that’s simply a joke statement. Also have you ever noticed how you feel proud of yourself when you insult someone you do a head jerk and smirk that’s what I imagine you did when you sent that.

[@reggiebrown9508]

They screwed up from not having Kraven come out with Spider-Man 2. Kraven would have been on everyone's mind being hyped after playing the game.

[@Pharmboy6]

They cant slow down. They have to make a new Spiderman movie every few years or lose the Spiderman movies rights. So they will continue making 2 or 3 every 5 years. Just in case problems occur they can fall back on next film

[@isaacmartinez6904]

Another addition to the solution is the hired people who cared for the source material. Why did Into The Spider-Verse did well? Because Sony hired people who not only love Spider-Man but have amazing ideals that take the movie to new heights.

[@tdm281995]

It’s crazy to be Sony can make trash like madam webb and Morbius and yet also make the spider verse movies and that are amazing

[@jasontodd6930]

It’s as simple as three things. Good writer, good director, and SPIDER-MAN!

[@Carmai7]

There is only one step to fix it: sell the rights to Spidey back to Marvel! Enough said! Excelsior!!!!!

[@thefrenchcanadianwolfman8228]

Without Spider-Man, I don't give a damn about any of these movies

[@wraithx7]

Here's an idea, instead of Sony making Spidey spinoff films featuring villains and supporting characters who most likely couldn't carry their own films like Kraven, Morbius, Madame Web, and Hypno Hustler they should instead make spinoff films featuring those Spidey characters who are either superheroes or anti heroes like Puma, Cardiac, Prowler, Slingers, and Silver Sable and the Wild Pack. Those heroes and anti heroes that I listed might not be all that popular or well known, but well written and well directed films featuring those characters might perform much better at the box office than Morbius and Madame Web.

[@poppy87]

Unless Sony can get Disney to buy back The Spider-Man rights, then they should just make Spider-Man movies with Marvel.

[@WOLVERINE25TH]

Sony doesn't WANT to lose the rights. That's why they keep churning out this dreck.

[@abangemirzaihanabangzulkip9502]

Madame Web should've been a Netflix series like Marvel's What If...? She should be the narrator like The Watcher and each episode will feature different Spider Verse characters and the season finale could feature her meeting Andrew Garfield's Spider Man about how he ended up in the MCU. So many things Sony could've done to avoid the mistakes.🙄

[@Mad_Beefs]

Even though Morbius and Madame Web are not well known characters those movies still could have been good. The concept was there but the execution was the worst possible.

[@marengoczar5035]

Strongly disagree with John, what he said is not going to change things. In my opinion, first find a purpose in these movies, as unlike the MCU they dont have reason to exist. 2nd, pick less niche character Morbius and Madam Webb are great character in the comic. But, most people are unaware of them to cash in on Spiderman. 3rd, stop trying to make everything work with Venom comedy and aesthetic...and maybe connect the villains, if it made sense.

[@neophenom]

The only step is STOP. The end. To think they got nervous about continuing The Amazing Spider-Man series, over a 709 Million Box Office and %51 Critic score. That was still viable and that could use the "steps" to fix a third. Now, whatever this is, just needs to stop.

[@jayerm]

If they HAD to make a Spider-Man movie without Spider-Man, they should have made a Sinister Six origin movie 🙄

[@CartoonFlophouse]

Step 1) Make the Spider-Woman live action film Step 2) Adapt it really well Step 3) That's it.

[@nilesengerman8263]

How about include a version of Spiderman--to your point, slow down until you can do that with integrity. Zero common thread = zero stakes.

[@edwardabreu5851]

Everyone needs to apologize spiderman 3 tobey after seeing this fiasco.

[@juanluismendoza8655]

While Spider-Man 3 is nowhere as bad as Morbius and Madame Web, it’s still a bad film. So I don’t want to apologize to it.

[@edwardabreu5851]

@@juanluismendoza8655 after seeing it again is not a bad, bad film at all.

[@dwightantc]

Hot take: The way to fix Sony's Live Action Spider-Verse would be not putting out Madame Web right now. They should have went the route of "Evil Avengers" by doing solo movies of each Sinister Six member. You could have Vulture bring them all together to take on Spider-Man in a Sinister Six movie. You could have Spider-Man on the brink of losing the battle with them all when he's saved by Madame Web. That's when you get solo movies of Spider-People with Madame Web being their Nick Fury, collecting them all for the fight. That could cover quite a few movies. The one before the Sinister Six vs Spider Society could be a Madame Web solo movie. Sony, just hire me already. I got y'all.

[@DannsProductions]

Sony has already taken two strikes with Morbuis and Madame Web and they've all been released after No Way Home. There is no saving for this spin off franchise they are trying to build. And they're not going to slow down considering they got to have a Spider-Man movie in production every five years to keep the rights.

[@alex_reyes_6]

What they need to do is to just focus on animation, live action should just be marvel Disney

[@lordofthereels6790]

James Bond could be an interesting IP to explore a multiverse with. I'd love a Judie Dench's M origin story about the total power of her job testing her morals ro the point of her actions that lead to Silva in Skyfall. Maybe with Pugh as young M?

[@loublanco1976]

Stop making them

[@drogramadanjohnson1061]

No more diet spiderman flicks!

[@JoshCarlos1998]

They need a creative head overseeing these films, like a Gunn or Feige

[@juanluismendoza8655]

To add to Rob’s point, this is the studio that has decided to do a movie El Muerto who is a character that has only appeared in two issues according to what people online have been saying. How can you make a movie about a character that doesn’t have a lot of source material to pull from? Also, they’re making a Hypno-Hustler movie with Donald Glover. Hypno-Hustler! One of the most obscure Spider-Man characters that nobody cares about.

[@katholmes7112]

They need Spiderman. The Spiderverse is pointless and these B tier characters are pointless without Spiderman. Who will we be getting next with no Spiderman....Lizard?

[@danterose6673]

I think they should stop with live action. Finish Venom and then focus on animation. Apply the same care as the Spider verse movies.

[@mannholloway]

John is out of his mind if he thinks they put care into Venom both those movie are a huge POS it made money simply from name recognition. Between all the millennials who finally wanted to see venom and all the Tom Hardy fans. Those movies were complete and utter garbage which started this whole Spider-Man-less Spiderverse and why we suffer these movies.

[@juanluismendoza8655]

You do make a good point about millennials. I think most millennials went to see Venom out of curiosity because they remember Venom in Spider-Man 3. In fact, I’m one of them. 😅

[@Matt-rm5ir]

I disagree that Sony put their "best" on the Venom films. Those are as dogshit as the others. Venom is just a more bankable character than Morbius or Madame Web so they could get away with it

[@JayPatrol]

They need to stay with what their successful in with the playstation and other tech Also animation films

[@mranderson8725]

I like Dracula untold

[@mindyobeeznis]

ESG is ruining Hollywood. They aren't hiring the best people for the job anymore.

[@icantthinkofagoodusername4575]

After hearing rumours that Kevin Feige and Sony can’t agree on what to do with Spider-Man. I have a feeling Sony are going to take the character away from The MCU

[@spicymemes7458]

They will depend on Disney even more if their universe fails. They need to keep cranking out movies to keep the rights from reverting back to them ironically

[@SonicStantz]

In regards to the Venom films, the second one made hundreds of millions LESS than the first one. How much do you want to bet that the third one will make even less?

[@JezzaBondiBeach]

I won’t be watching Kraven or Venom 3… four strikes and you’re out !!!

[@thehacker4012]

I disagree with John when he claims that adapting certain storylines isn't going to fix Sony Spider-verse. Yes, adapting comic book story arcs for the big screen isn't automatically going to save the Spider-verse but I do think it would help give the film a good foundation. I still believe that instead of Madame Web standalone movie, they would be better off adapting a Spider-man storyline that Madame Web has pivotal role in, such as Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut. I'm not even against Dakota Johnson playing Madame Web, just age her up in prosthetic make up and allow her to show some acting range. Of course, you need to right directors, writers, and production team to make it all work, but you need to story that they are passionate about and biggest complaint about Madame Web was it was a film that was passion-less and uninspired.

[@daviddilks7018]

I wish there were more superhero films like the batman and joker coming out that weren't connected to everything. I really dislike that disney, sony, and warner brothers are all going to focus on these shared universe stories.

[@TwinRiver100]

it'd be nice if Marvel had rights back for Spider-Man stuff. But i know people wouldn't think they could do it due to their most recent output. Also too much under them or something. Like maybe if they had it still under them, but they'd be off to mostly do their own thing, but they'd have more stuff within Marvel itself to work with. Like maybe put it under the equivalent of a sub studio like 20th Century Studios/Fox as far as tone influence and things like that. And stuff from Marvel Disney could be used in there or something. I don't know. This is a weird jumbled idea that i don't know how to sort right. Something something management and quality control.

[@BrontoSmilodon1]

Hey John maybe tomorrow you can make a section talking about these bullshit reaction videos about Chris Stuckkman not reviewing Madame Web . It's the dumbest reaction to a KZbinr since James Rolfe refusing to give attention to Ghostbusters 2016.

[@nervenllarena4948]

Cry LOL

[@Ercarret]

I don't know how viable this is now that the Madam Web movie has done them dirty, but I think the obvious solution was to anchor their whole universe on someone else who isn't Spider-Man. Okay, so they don't seem to be able to have Tom Holland in their movies or have another Spider-Man in their movies at the same time as Tom's Spidey is in the MCU. Probably some deal shenanigans with Disney/Marvel. Fine. But then have some other character be the linchpin. Make one of the Spider-Women the main character for your little universe of spider-villains and have them all be her villains, or at least be centered around her in whichever way you choose if you want to have Venom as an anti-hero. I don't know if there is any potential Spider-Woman left that wasn't already in Madam Web, but if there is, I would make a very serious effort to craft an amazing film centered around her. Make her be whatever it seemed that they've been waiting for Tom Holland's Spidey to be (with absolutely no success). Their universe desperately needs someone like that. Every movie they put out feels so weird without someone like that, and every attempt to form a cohesive universe even more so. Even if they had had hit after hit and both Morbius and Madam Web had been great, and Kraven comes out and is great as well...there's just a piece missing. Why would I care about a potential Sinister Six (or whatever they're building up towards) forming when there's no one for them to fight? Even if I really like all of the villains that they've made movies about, there's no one for them to team up against. That has always been the central flaw of Sony's plan. Hopefully they can fix it but right now, it seems like all of their successes have been flukes. They've sort of accidentally hired the right people and let them do their thing without getting too much in the way to screw things up. I will say, however... I'm very curious what the Spider-Verse guys could do if they were put in charge of Sony's live-action efforts. Sort of like their Kevin Feiges.

[@hitmanmonaghan6633]

Bashing bad movies are fine and all, but it’s also great seeing how to fix things.

[@bassman1973]

3 great points and I owuld say, aside from better writers, try and find out which characters in the Spider-Verse that are popular aside from Spidey like for instance a Black Cat movie could work since she is one of the popular side characters. Morbius is a living vampire and only drinks the blood of the guilty which would have been so much more interesting than him drinking fake blood. Aise from Black Cat 'm sure there are more popular characters and than blend in the lesser ones in those movies so people at least know who those characters are before giving them a solo movie just like Marvel did with for instance Hawkeye and Black Widow. If you want an interconnected universe it takes long term planning

[@jakenight5147]

Agreed. To make a good comicbook movie you have to take care and attention. Problem is nerds in Hollywood creative circles, who can also make good movies, and are available are far and few in-between these days. Studios are hiring the best actors, directors, and writers (sometimes). But, they don't care for the source material. You see that time and time again in these interviews. The directors lack passion. The actors never watched any comicbook movie or read a comicbook themselves. They don't care. These characters aren't just roles. They're role models and if the creatives don't care. Why should I?

[@jinwu9423]

I'd rather watch Deadpool collecting rare Spider-Men like a Pokemon parody for a random goofy mission that wouldn't affect the universe much.

[@shaf-cr7]

Madame web is gonna make 1 webillion dollars in the box office

[@benm5970]

A big one for me is that they need to truly find their own unique identity, one of the reasons the MCU worked was that they created a style and tone that was completely unique to them, superhero movies with a bit more of a lighthearted tone, whereas with Sony’s movies apart from the Venom movies it doesn’t really seem like they have one, it seems like they’re just using the “Generic comic book movie” template of the mid 2000’s, and so I think that Sony needs to give their movies their own unique flare, they need to give their movies their unique coats of paint instead of just leaving them unpainted and boring

[@jaybling6687]

I don’t think *everyone* is irrevocably damaged from Madame Web. Sydney Sweeney still has Anyone But You which is a sleeper hit and she was at the People’s Choice Awards last night where she was announced by her association to that film and not this one. And she has another movie coming out next month.

[@felixg.4908]

they need to put spiderman in those spiderman less movies, and with it apply the same care that they dowhen putting spiderman in a movie since tasm 2

[@aquapyro1]

Just cause you won a game with a Division rival doesn’t mean you have a winning season. That is Sony in a nutshell. They need to give back the characters to Marvel period

[@tomcruise443]

Nah marvel will never get the Spider-Man Right

[@olijawanwalterman-helms3210]

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[@jakenight5147]

I kinda get their idea with one Spider-Man actor, you generally have maybe 3 or 4 movies to squeeze out of them before they want to move on and that'll take 10-11 years. So making movies about characters that aren't tied to a Spider-man is the route to go. But, they just need to make good movies. A good way to start is not to hire the Morbius writers.