The 7 Tenets of Durdenism (Tyler Durden's Philosophy Explained)

[@goon5544]

I was thinking about getting a freezer for more storage in my basement today at the store. I starting thinking about the work to hall it down there and set it up and get it going, make sure the temperature is right and I thought, the things you own end up owning you.

[@lithuaniaball]

Take it a step further. You've got the freezer in there, it's cold, you put in all this effort, and it *has* to be worth it. That's how you end up wasting money keeping 2 year old steakums cold, so you didn't waste time getting it. Now, your stuff is controlling how you live your life

[@JonSmith-cx7gr]

Use your basement to start a fight club. Of course, the injuries from the fighting will require lots of ice so you will probably need to buy a freezer.

[@TheShanky2000]

I know this is kind of a reupload but still a great watch, wanted to mention that i have a different opinion on 6:30 where Tyler technically still holds to the belief of predeterminism and says we should 'let the chips fall where they may' in the sense that fate willingly brings you to it as opposed to thinking that stuff just randomly happens, i think he's encouraging our narrator to embrace the uncertainty and let destiny do it's thing. Only when you truly let go of trying to control your life in every metric possible, you somehow get the maximum control over it because you become one with who you are and what you want to do

[@bizarrebreakdowns]

Thank you for sharing! I think he is saying ‘ go create your own destiny ‘ (To Raymond/space monkeys in the car). And whatever happens… happens!

[@TheShanky2000]

@bizarrebreakdowns A lot of it is highly abstract so it is up to self interpretation, I always believed in free will and having a choice but more recently I changed my view to believing more so in fatalism/determinism. I feel it's more about falling into it with that aspect of knowing who you are and then becoming it (little by little, just letting yourself become)

[@bizarrebreakdowns]

Agreed. Practically everything is up to interpreation. I like that philosophy!@@TheShanky2000

[@goon5544]

The fighting and blowing stuff up I kinda feel is there because it still has to be an exciting movie, but a lot of the philosophies are worth considering implementing in life and all are interesting.

[@bizarrebreakdowns]

agreed!

[@swakv]

finally the remake

[@joshuahavens4059]

Looks at hands... maybe I... am a Tyler Durden?

[@TheMadProphet885]

I would say I agree with his motives. Or I prefer his ends instead of the means. I've been teaching myself how to survive in the wilderness and watching educational videos on how to do those sorts of things and I watch a lot of videos that have contemplative topics like yours. I also want to affect change, not through protesting with signs or yelling or gluing myself to the pavement. A rule says you must do it this way, a principal says, this works and has through all remembered time. What do I mean? I mean that taking action to bring or affect change like a revolution for example, those work if the people involved don't lose their nerve at the first bits of pressure. It starts with signs and yelling and public acts of symbolism, then martyrs then chaos and destruction, then something else rises from the ashes and rubble, good or bad, it's a cycle that I seek to end. Where the world doesn't have the opportunity for a repeat of the world or modern society we currently live in that possesses the toxic traits you have said before, consumerism etc. What if there could be a world where the only world that matters is the one in front of you, family friends, girlfriends, boyfriends etc? Some people look to the ancient people for THE answer, I do too to some extent. But how the select few do, is that they view every aspect of it as harmonious and peaceful. Even the tribes that still exist today people still look at them that way, they forget that they are human like us, violent, greedy, lustful, malicious, jealous etc. Would the world be violent then? Yes. Would it be EVEN MORE violent? No. How? The world be filled more with humans instead of the drones we see today. All in all. I wouldn't go as far as Tyler, but I do see the merit in his ideas, I'm not completely ignoring both sides to it though, some negatives are part of as well. Not picking one over the other. All together they make for something more, more than what we have today on modern society, something deeper and more profound. But also something dark and scary and absolutely frightening. Fear has been lost for so long in the modern world that even the idea and feeling an inkling of fear terrifies the modern man to his core. Would it be so bad to fear that you might not see tomorrow? No. You would learn to live with that fear by having it by your side every day instead of having it show up randomly and ruin your life. That's all.

[@bizarrebreakdowns]

Interesting take my friend. I think that, as with most things, the answer is somewhere in the middle (Buddhist philosophy). Tyler’s ideology, while DEFINITELY having some merit, is extreme. If you lived in the primitive world, death, violence and injustice were surely much more prevalent. I do agree, we are definitely not perfect now though either. We are human, so by nature we will always fall a bit short of the ideal. But it’s the pursuit that matters!

[@TheMadProphet885]

@@bizarrebreakdowns very true, the middle is the place to be. Perfection will never be found but you can have a moment even if it is short and fleeting, in reference to the book 😎

[@consciouslifestyle2533]

Can u explain difference between anticonsumerism and minimalism

[@bizarrebreakdowns]

Of course. These are loose definitions here and they are definitely related to each other. An Anti consumerist is someone who is against the purchase and acquisition of “things” (working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don’t need. The things you own end up owning you… that whole spiel). Minimalism involves living with ONLY the things one really needs. No excess, no waste (you’ll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life). Minimalists look outside the material world for fulfillment. They find meaning in relationships and community.

[@eugenetswong]

It's interesting. I was planning on responding to each point 1 by 1, but really, is there much to say? The best response is probably nuanced, or complex, or vague, because it's hard to respond in a way that fits all of our lives. For example, if I plan to get married in a short while, it makes sense to accumulate kitchen items, but less so, if we want to live decluttered bachelor lives. That being said, as I typed, I came up with the idea, that maybe Tyler doesn't care about these things for the virtues of such things. Maybe he is just pragmatic about how to remove the obstacles that help him to not be responsible. For example, a lot can be said about restoring old mansions to preserve the historic value, or to be good stewards, but he lets everything deteriorate. He lives there to avoid paying rent. He's probably a squatter. He is living freely in a bad way. You have a great take, and this is a great movie.

[@chadlarson4149]

I agree, and live, every one of them.

[@JessicaBryla-n8l]

YEP!! He did it again.

[@satsuc]

keep going

[@blanc5651]

Have you ever thought about the parallels that can be drawn between Tyler’s philosophy and Stoicism ?

[@bizarrebreakdowns]

Indeed I have!

[@SéaFid]

I would say no: more Greek Cynicism. Look into Diogenes of Sinope

[@bizarrebreakdowns]

@@SéaFid will do 👍

[@SuperPenguin5495]

Interesting remake take....🤔

[@bizarrebreakdowns]

Had to sacrifice the views :( I feel this one is more accurate

[@SjsjsisishsnssjUU]

Did the original video get taken down?

[@swakv]

no, he decided to remake it and redo his points about his ideologies

[@bizarrebreakdowns]

Original video had over 125k views. But I just felt I was wrong about a few things, so I remade it with a few edits. Accuracy > $/views

[@UniversalistSon9]

Tyler Durden, the enigmatic and subversive character from Chuck Palahniuk's novel and the film adaptation, has several philosophies that drive his actions and worldview. Here are some of the key philosophies associated with Tyler Durden: 1. *Critique of Modern Society*: Tyler Durden rejects the superficiality and consumerism of modern society, which he sees as empty and oppressive. He seeks to dismantle the existing social order and create a new, more authentic way of living. 2. *Anti-Consumerism*: Tyler Durden is fiercely opposed to the consumerist culture that prioritizes material possessions and wealth above all else. He advocates for a simpler, more self-sufficient lifestyle that rejects the excesses of modern capitalism. 3. *Existentialism*: Tyler Durden embodies existentialist principles, emphasizing individual freedom and choice. He encourages people to take control of their lives, reject societal expectations, and create their own meaning. 4. *Anarchism*: Tyler Durden's actions and ideology are often seen as anarchic, seeking to dismantle existing power structures and challenge authority. He promotes a DIY ethos and direct action, encouraging individuals to take matters into their own hands. 5. *Toxic Masculinity*: Tyler Durden's character has been interpreted as a representation of toxic masculinity, embodying aggressive, dominant, and violent tendencies. This aspect of his philosophy is problematic and has been criticized for perpetuating harmful gender stereotypes. 6. *Anti-Modernism*: Tyler Durden rejects the values and norms of modern society, seeking a return to a more primal, authentic way of living. He romanticizes a pre-modern, tribal existence and advocates for a disconnection from the trappings of modern civilization. 7. *Individualism*: Tyler Durden prioritizes individual autonomy and self-expression above all else. He encourages people to break free from societal constraints and forge their own paths. Keep in mind that Tyler Durden's philosophies are complex, multifaceted, and often controversial. While some aspects of his ideology may resonate with certain individuals, others may be problematic or even dangerous. Approach these ideas with critical thinking and nuance.

[@bizarrebreakdowns]

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[@UniversalistSon9]

@@bizarrebreakdowns yeah well it gives good info sometimes

[@alexandralemoniadi3739]

What about Marxism that you said in the original video?

[@bizarrebreakdowns]

"ASPECTS" of marxism

[@pietrocavanni1500]

Bro, why did you take Marxism? that was cringe ​@@bizarrebreakdowns

[@pietrocavanni1500]

He added misogyny instead, cringe. Rare L

[@caonguyenngo8431]

@@pietrocavanni1500what a tool. Misogamist is not misogyny.

[@hre2044]

@@pietrocavanni1500 He said misogamy, hatred of marriage.

[@ElLokojah]

Based

[@ashsessions911]

Agreed. A movie criticizing toxic masculinity that's based on a book written by a gay man. Idk how so many people miss the point of the movie though lmfao. It's like missing the point of american psycho or something.

[@ElLokojah]

@@ashsessions911 Regardless, very good lessons philosophically. Completely neglecting whether or not it was written as a critique on toxic masculinity, a certain degree of assimilation of Tyler's philosophy is ridiculously helpful; the modern man is so terribly removed from the healthy aspects of masculinity that exposure to the hyperexaggerated version is the only way to fish them out of the rut. Applying it hormetically is basically like being a prsctitioner Nietzschean philosophy, which is always great

[@austinmccon2759]

Misogamy

[@hre2044]

Do you think you could classify Tyler as a socialist or a capitalist? I think he just takes leftist critiques of modernity and leave it at that, he's sort of like a right wing anarchist or an old fashioned Marxist, something akin to Soviet conservatism rather than the humanist liberal form of Marxism that exists today.

[@bizarrebreakdowns]

Towards the end of the film, he utters a comment about achieving economic equliibrium, i.e if anything, socialism and/or marxism.

[@hre2044]

@@bizarrebreakdowns Have you made an analysis of Tyler/Narrator's comments on women? The line "we were selling women their fat asses back to them" // "I'm wondering if another woman is really what we need" // "I can't get married I'm a 30 year old boy" // "We're a generation raised by women" All of this must be making a larger point about masculinity and women in modern society. The line about the liposuction soap seems to show resentment.

[@bizarrebreakdowns]

@@hre2044 You've just given me an idea for my next video!

[@hre2044]

@@bizarrebreakdowns Also note that the warning at the start of Fight Club Tyler writes "meet a member of the opposite gender" Idk if it's an inconsistency, I mean Tyler does do it with Marla, but he also made firm statements on women and marriage.

[@SuperPenguin5495]

algooo comments

[@SuperPenguin5495]

not first this time :/

[@bizarrebreakdowns]

Lol!

[@pietrocavanni1500]

Dude, did you remove Marxism and add misogynism? wtf

[@barghastov]

It's misogamist bro, not misogynism

[@swancheron]

he also has a bit of absurdism

[@bizarrebreakdowns]

Agreed!