The Afterlife Does NOT Have GPS Coordinates

Is the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus a parable or something real? If you think about it, it doesn't matter really. Check this out!

[@onefeather2]

Sure miss Dr Heiser, I know it is up to God but wish He would have left him here on earth a little longer, he has been and is a blessing on a lot of bible that you don't hear explained.

[@suzanneflowers2230]

Agree. But I bet Dr. Mike is having a great time and wouldn't want to come back here!

[@tammygallagher9370]

I agree miss listening to him have all the old videos just not the same

[@kirkhepburnmiddleagedwhiteguy]

True that. He was a great light. Looking forward to seeing him on the other side.

[@Sooch694]

I miss him too. A big help to me has been BIBLE PROJECT. They have a wonderful illustrator. They explain everything in everyday language. I'd read five chapters and then go To BP for their explanation. I've read the Old Testament a few times and concentrate on the New Testament now. Keeps you interested. Some of the material was difficult to comprehend. Give it a try 😊

[@Dagfari]

Me too

[@EndingSimple]

‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’” That's the point.

[@baltichammer6162]

There's a 2nd element to this statement.....Jesus was also alluding to himself, rising from the dead and people refusing to believe in Him.

[@andrewmarshall7569]

@@baltichammer6162 Absolutely correct!

[@IsaacNussbaum]

*"If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets...."* Interestingly, Moses and the Prophets never said anything about hell or eternal conscious torment. _"They"_ could listen to Moses and the Prophets all day long and would never hear anything which resembled Luke 16: 19-31 in the slightest.

[@TommyNitro]

@@IsaacNussbaum No, but what you said wasn't the point. Moses and the Prophets DID talk about the Messiah. Look at Daniel plainly being told how long it would be until the Messiah would come.

[@IsaacNussbaum]

@@TommyNitro The reference to Moses and the prophets had nothing to do with foretelling Jesus as the excerpt below shows. Moses and the prophets, supposedly, adequately warned about a place of torment. But they didn't. Nobody in the Old Testament did. ✴ _27 I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: 28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into _*_this place of torment._*_ 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them._ (Luke 16; KJV)

[@greygorieus]

Rest In Peace Sir... Thank you for your service

[@FrankGrauStudio]

I like that he’s honest enough to say that we just don’t know, but that it really doesn’t matter. It’s enough that we know we want to be on God’s side of things, in Christ.

[@theboss4573]

Dr.Mike, was a man of Integrity!

[@robertlangford5732]

Miss Mike...a lot😢

[@Wraiths_and_Wreckage]

My money would be on parable to illustrate that nothing will convince you if Scripture wont. Everyone I know who's actively on fire is able to carry on a rational conversation /s

[@da2hampton]

There are other descriptions that agree with this description. Also, if a parable it's the only one that actually mentions a man's name. Secondly, that says a "certain man". My point is it would be different from any of his parables.

[@deborahgrantham7387]

I don’t need descriptions to tell me that wherever I exist when I’m dead, I clearly know that I do not want to exist away from God.

[@nozrep]

agreed, and even as a “non scholar” it’s like, yah, in human terms, I think of it more as a separate dimension or separate dimensional plane of existence. Definitely not gps coordinates. lol. However but also, as a child, I definitely remember that as a child and coming to understand science and geology on an elementary child like level, and also being a Christian, I actually do remember once upon a time thinking, oh… hell is at the core of the earth?!?!?! and in my ‘child mind’ it made sense because the core of the earth is actually super duper hellfire hot😂

[@bardmadsen6956]

I really like the subtitle job, plus how he is describing the subject, which I've found to be true as we only know of this world, it is like spacecraft "sailing" through the solar system. I inadvertently researched this from another side, which shows that this negative aspect is in the physical world, just temporally. This world is randomly cyclic, mainly from the Taurid Meteor Stream that brings the destruction, not debauchery, and then Impact Winter. When the atmosphere clears the blue sky and Sun are resurrected bringing life back, we have Anthropomorphized this personally.

[@bibledefinedbymartycozad]

This is why many churches miss read the Bible because they don't know how to apply the below and when. Jesus 1/3 of His stories were Parables. A parable is story of everyday life to convey a spiritual truth. B. Allegory is a created story (foolish man builds his house on sand) can be interpreted in a literal physical way. C Metaphor is actuality of something that really does exist (Jesus Blood cleanses us) BUT is NOT to be interpreted in a literal physical way. D Analogy is: An agreement or likeness between things in some circumstances or effects when the things are otherwise entirely different. Life, or growth, plant has life, animal has life. two totally different things but using the same wording.

[@letitiacapra8225]

I think what might not be mentioned here though is that we are physical beings and spiritual. After Jesus’ resurrection, He was physical as we read that He ate fish, He was touched by Thomas, He was seen and spoke but He also went through a door that was locked and closed. The Bible says we will be like Him in our resurrection bodies or at least implies it. So to me, if Heaven and earth, in Revelation become one place and we experience that for eternity then would not hell be a kind of similar place of physical and spiritual as that is the way that human beings were created to begin with?

[@thunderleg6605]

Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 New American Standard Bible - NASB 1995 (NASB1995) For the living know they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor have they any longer a reward, for their memory is forgotten. Indeed their love, their hate and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun John 11:25-26 ESV Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

[@markzambarda9617]

I do. Jesus taught the resurrection for his faithful followers into incorruptible bodies, upon his return, in the first resurrection; the second resurrection for rest of mankind after a 1000 yrs of Kingdom reign on the earth. This doesn't match will the literal afterlife hellfire or heaven ideas which are pagan in origin.

[@br.m]

If you are trying to make a claim. Then what did Jesus go to hell for. What did Jesus do when he was in the grave? Just a nap? total blackout?

[@thunderleg6605]

@@br.m He went to Tartarus/abyss where the angels that did not retain their proper place are. The same place Legion asked not to be sent to, same place Apollyon ascends from. More to follow if you are unfamiliar with any of this. These Angels and demons have not died but are being held. "the (human) dead know nothing"

[@br.m]

@@thunderleg6605 Sorry did you just make a bunch of stuff up? Are you the prophet? Jesus was fully man and he fully died on the cross and he went to hell. Tell me, when Jonah died, but was able to be heard by God? So who should I believe, friend? You or Jesus? You the false prophet or Jonah an actual prophet? Scripture: Jonah 2 New International Version 2 1 [a]From inside the fish Jonah prayed to the Lord his God. 2 He said: “In my distress I called to the Lord, and he answered me. From deep in the realm of the dead I called for help, and you listened to my cry.

[@thunderleg6605]

@@br.m Be snarky if you like. If you did not recognize my references and thus failed to address them, more will not avail you.

[@JadDragon]

Jesus lives ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑

[@johnlee7699]

Amen and Amen! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@A_Stereotypical_Guy]

Not God but Christ for sure

[@JadDragon]

@@A_Stereotypical_Guy John 1:1 amen Jesus is God 🙏🏻✝️

[@A_Stereotypical_Guy]

@@JadDragon no John 1:1 doesn't say Christ is God. Sorry but that's Pharisee talk. Dont side with his accusers. It wouldn't be wise.

[@JadDragon]

@@A_Stereotypical_Guy John 1:1 does say He is God amen 🙏🏻 Jesus isn't God because people accused Him of being God is your argument?

[@j.m.4858]

Awesome 😎

[@lorenmartin906]

Why provide the beggar's name and not the rich man's? I think the name "Lazurus" must matter and it can't be a coincidence that a literal Lazurus was raised from the dead in John. The punchline "they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead" is a perfect description of those leaders who sought to murder Lazurus after he was raised. IMO, it's a parable that connects to a real event.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

Look at what happens before Christ teaches the parable. He tells this story as a direct response to the religious leaders who scoffed at Him. The chapter even says they were lovers of money, so they were pretty wealthy individuals. The "rich man" didn't need a name because he personifies the kind of ppl who view material things as being more important to them than God.

[@LionsMayRoar]

To the Jewish reader the name Lazarus would have painted a specific picture of a gentile and a beggar no less. In the parable, Jesus is flipping the script. Jews believed if you were healthy and wealthy then you were blessed of the Lord, so in death, we see the rich man and the beggar in the opposite afterlife of what was conventional wisdom. The Jews would have understood this.

[@dominiclapinta8537]

We could interpret part of the parable as the rich man, after being in torments, wanting to become birn again and so he desires Lazarus to being him aome water, as in water of life. A little bit of water makes no difference to aomebody who is in complete flames. The water would just evaporate and even consume away

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

Nobody's interpretation is needed. Christ Himself explain what the moral of the parable was about. It is about listening to the Moses and the prophets. Christ was not teaching any kind of afterlife theology.

[@A_Stereotypical_Guy]

​@@theeternalsbeliever1779Christ taught plenty of afterlife theology. What are you even talking about?

[@larryclark4791]

I agree, if it is a parable or not it is truth.

[@IsaacNussbaum]

Interestingly, Abraham told the rich man that Moses and the prophets were all the warning about a place of torment that anybody needed. But that was not true. Moses and the prophets never said anything about a place of eternal conscious torment. In fact, there is no mention of hell in the entire Old Testament.

[@mbgrafix]

Granted, it is not a Biblical reference, nevertheless, it was back around 1984 that I first heard the story, FLATLAND written by Edwin Abbott back in 1884...and it, more than any other book gave me the ability to conceptually comprehend the unseen realm.

[@renaissancehick]

Flatland may help a person conceptualize multiple dimensions but I believe that the spirit world in which God exists, even before the time of creation , is separate from the temporal universe no matter how many dimensions it has.

[@cathcolwell2197]

❤

[@Daniel-sr3di]

Have you ever went over genesis 6 ? The Sons of God (angels)? Or not? Seems to be a debate here as well .i Just ordered The unseen realm and cant wait for it.

[@wayneosaur]

I don't know any other passages that describe the afterlife like Luke 16 .. what passages is he referring to?

[@JahRootsRadio]

He’s probably referring to the non canonical books that most Christians are terrified to read because they were told stay away rather than read and test all things for themselves 🙄

[@CunninghamFamilyvids]

1 Enoch Chapter 22 (Dead Sea Scrolls)

[@JahRootsRadio]

@@CunninghamFamilyvids BINGO!!!

[@wayneosaur]

@@CunninghamFamilyvids Just re-read that. It has similar elements. Dr Heiser always alluded to 1 Enoch, but I have no memory of him reading passages from it. 1 Enoch is pretty whack (Giants 450 ft tall) -- I could never find myself taking any of it seriously. I tend to think most of what we have is a forgery of some older lost book? I can't imagine a serious scholar giving any real credence to 1 Enoch.

[@wayneosaur]

@@JahRootsRadio I have read some of the Pseudopigrapha (e.g. 1 Enoch), but I find most of it really wacky. It is easy to see why none of it is canonical. Christians should read it to get the general thoughts of the times, but it isn't much different than what someone on LSD would write.

[@jeffryblair6816]

Luke 16:1 Ἄνθρωπός τις ἦν πλούσιος - “There was a certain rich man” - there’s zero doubt this is a parable Luke 16:19 Ἄνθρωπος δέ τις ἦν πλούσιος - “Now there was a certain rich man” - except for the addition of the conjunction δέ (but, now, and) , the introductory words of the story of the rich man and Lazarus are identical to the introduction to the parable of the steward. Everyone knows 16.1ff is a parable. Luke 15:11 Ἄνθρωπός τις - “A certain man” - the introduction to the parable of the prodigal son. Exact same. Luke clearly intended us to see immediately by its introduction that 16.19 is a parable. The question of what difference it makes is, as Heiser points out, a different question.

[@baltichammer6162]

Right. The point/message/lesson is exactly the same whether parable or actual event in the afterlife.

[@ri3m4nn]

Yeah anyways, I don't like the fence setting he's doing here, Abraham's bosom is the promise of abraham, that's the promise that God has given us through jesus. That's why we die in christ, we die in Abraham's bosom. It's not a place it's a promise

[@robertmurphy4458]

✝🙂👍

[@daviddrew3372]

Hell is not a place. It is the death state from which God may and will resurrect many , at that time when Sheol, Hades ( Hell is not an authentic word in scripture) gravedom is empty death will Then cease to exist for all time. Compare Eccles 9:5 for the state of the dead.

[@Tom-xg1kj]

One of the first big lies, " thou shall not surely die".

[@nozrep]

i personally believe it is a physical place. simultaneously without gps coordinates as explained in the video. Simultaneously a place completely, eternally separated from Christ Jesus, who is God. A place of eternal torture and torment separated from God. A physical place without gps coordinates or location able to be understanded by our fleshly brains. Nevertheless, I personally believe that and I readily acknowledge it as my own personal opinion. Opinion. Opinion. But I don’t really want to know or find out. I like that Jesus is God, and I like that he saved me, my own self, from eternal damnation, with his death and resurrection!🎉🎉🎉

[@unsightedmetal6857]

@@nozrep Look into the evidence for Annihilationism. Hell is not necessarily eternal torment! (though it could be)

[@christiancrusader9374]

​@@unsightedmetal6857there are verse that day people will go into eternal torment.

[@unsightedmetal6857]

@@christiancrusader9374 And there are refutations of those verses. Just search Google for " Annihilationism". (Replace the text with the Bible book, chapter, and verse number)

[@psalmbirdee11824]

It's about mercy. The rich man showed no mercy in his life and then begged for it after death. All the parables in Luke's gospel start with "there was a certain..." This teaching is no different.

[@jimjuri6490]

Since at death the individual ceases to exist as God established (Genesis 3:19), Jesus' story about the Rich man and the Beggar must be an allegorical one. Jesus was having two groups who were living in his time in mind. The 'death' was a change in circumstances. No one can stretch his hand from one location to another to give a drop of water. Thus, it was about the Priests who felt they were above the common man. Jesus turns the tables on them. John 7:48 Not one of the rulers or of the Pharisees has put faith in him, has he? 49 But this crowd who do not know the Law are accursed people.”

[@ss396rip]

Why do so many scholars dismiss a teaching if it is a parable?

[@mastershake4641]

They arent dismissing the teaching, they are dismissing the extra biblical things people build doctrine off of from parables taken literally. Basically people take abrahams bosom to declare all sorts of things about hell and the afterlife. When its not real because its a parable.

[@Vlabar]

If Luke 16 is a parable then it is the only one that names names. Going so far as to quote Abraham. It would be weird for Jesus to quote something Abraham never said.

[@nunyabidness5375]

😐 Why is there a debate? There's Sheol in the Tanakh (inspired Scripture), then there's Sheol in Hellenized Jewish folklore of the intertstamental period. The former is a place of darkness, silence, unconsciousness and inactivity; the state of being dead pictured in terms the living can understand. The latter has attributes of the Greek underworld, such as experience/awareness, and a species of reward and punishment. It has "compartments" of Torment and Paradise. The latter is employed by Christ for illustative purposes. Why? Because the Jewish attitude was that all ethnic Hebrews who were physically circumcised went to the Paradise, because only they were "good" by definition. The Gentiles being Gentiles went to the bad place of course. Jesus corrects this attitude with his usual teaching that righteous Gentiles are a thing and Jews aren't in like Flynnwith God just "because Hebrew". He places the "rich man" (Jewish nation) in Torment and the diseased beggar (unclean Gentiles) with Abraham. It's a variation of "Don't say 'we're children of Abraham' when you don't act like him but like the devil" or "you'll see the Gentiles enthroned in the kingdom of God and yourselves thrust out". A rejection of Jewish racial supremacism and xenophobia. But not a literal description of an afterlife.

[@DA-yd2ny]

When Jesus mentions real people by their names then it not a parable. In this story he mentions Abraham & Lazarus. The rich man remained nameless, I think due to respect the people he left behind. My two cents

[@Pablo-nc6qu]

Jesus also stated that no man has entered heaven, not even Abraham.

[@daviddrew3372]

Neither Lazarus,( Jesus friend whom he resurrected) or Abraham ( who had not then and may still not be resurrected). At that time could have been in heaven. As to the nameless rich man. Jesus was speaking quite pointedly to the Pharisees ( who believed in the resurrection) and was using this parable as a warning to them that their status as rich men ( influential and in control of the spiritual sustenance of the people) where about to find their circumstances turned upside drown with the Lazarus class ( The Apostles and followers of Christ) in the bosom position with God and themselves irredeemably separated. This is in truth what happened after the destruction of the Temple in 70 CE . Fortunately many of the Pharisees did become followers of Jesus shortly after his resurrection.

[@Tobi_237]

It’s more plausibly so [based on passages like in Revelation] that the rich man is nameless because his name isn’t in the Lamb’s Book of Life. The rich man trusted in his riches and not in Jesus, and is thus condemned already.

[@marcialdiaz]

False

[@laurentroland6847]

Respectfully, I disagree. For instance, if we take the parable literally we must imagine that the rich man has the capability of calling out to Abraham and making petitions in complete sentences whilst literally burning alive. Wouldn't his tongue have burnt off? How can he think that clearly? We also must assume that when the righteous die, they go to sit in Abraham's lap for eternity, because the parable calls Heaven "Abraham's Bosom". We also must imagine that the damned have the capability to personally speak with Abraham and communicate with him at will, which conflicts with the idea of Hell being eternal separation from God and by extent those united to Him in Eternal Life. My take is this: the parable's focus is primarily that uncharitable, sinful wealthy people live well on earth, and the poor beg for a scrap of the food from their lavish feasts. But in the Hereafter, the poor will eternally live well in Heaven and those who are condemned, who once had earthly power and wealth, will beg for a drop of God's grace (the drop of water) but will not receive it, since they were not thus charitable on earth.

[@dannywhite1165]

This is a parable that Jesus told his disciples but also said it loud enough for the Pharisees who were eavesdropping could hear just fine. Simon Lazarus is the name of the leopard and he had two sisters that lived in Bethany Martha and Mary. Jesus drew real people From real life to be a part of this parable, we. We read in Luke that Lazarus or Simon was outside the door of the rich man begging for food, but the rich man never gave him any food. Just the dogs came and licked his wounds. When he died, he went to the Pharisee Interpretation of heaven Abraham bosom. We are told that the rich man were fine linen and purple outerwear tunics, and he eventually died, and he went to the place of suffering across the great chasm. The rich man with the final linen and the great clothing, especially the purple clothing in that society that Jesus lived in knew that that was the high priest priest at that time, who also had five brothers who had been high priest. So he was using this as an example is your life after the Pharisees because as they sow, they will reap. By the time you finish the parable, everybody knew who he was talking about, and what shallow lives they lived.

[@MrDragpics]

One thing for certain you will know.......

[@douglaspinsak1246]

It’s not a parable-there is no good reason to think it’s a parable.

[@JimmyGGGGG]

There's a good reason. Jesus introduces it in the same manner as the explicit parable of the steward that starts the chapter. Luk 16:1 He also said to His disciples: "There was a certain rich man who... (steward parable) Luk 16:19 "There was a certain rich man who... (lazarus story) Luke 16:1 is a clear parable. And Jesus is making the connection between the two through his phrasing. The early church noted that this Lazarus passage shed light on interpreting the steward parable.

[@AdvEug]

@@JimmyGGGGG Parables dont use real names. Plus this place like Mike points out is in different passages of scripture.

[@JimmyGGGGG]

@@AdvEug there's nothing to state that parables can't use real names The rich man is a clear personification of the pharisees who were "lovers of money" and Jesus is adressing the parable in this context

[@jamesdick8681]

@@JimmyGGGGGbut Jesus never ever used names in a parable. Why would he all of a sudden out of the 26 or so parables use a name for just one

[@JimmyGGGGG]

@@jamesdick8681 why not? He's God he can do what he wants. Lazarus means something like God is my helper. The story whether literal or a parable is clearly giving a message that is directed towards the Pharisees who were lovers of money and so were symbolised by the rich man. There is clearly an element of parable contained therein to draw a message out to those who loves riches. In context the first parable of Luke 16 is about loving money and directed to the Pharisees in Luk 16:14 Now the Pharisees, who were *lovers of money,* also heard all these things, and they derided Him. The Lazarus parable is also about loving money and living luxuriously in this world. The poor man went to Heaven the *rich man* went to hell. The story carries the same message as the first parable of Luke 16 and both speak about 'a rich man'. The point is the same in both, you cannot serve God and mammon.

[@stevetobe4494]

I don't think the story of the rich man and Lazarus is a parable. No other parable gives the character in the story a name. It's a true story. The Jews taught that Hades, had two compartments, one for the righteous, Abraham's Bossom, and one compartment for the wicked.

[@uwekonnigsstaddt524]

Is this so called “parable” by scholars, the only one that uses a historical figure? Abraham has historical validity. I’m on the camp that believes it is not a parable but an actual historical event since a valid historical reference is being used. Obviously, there’s a teaching behind it. If we do a deep study on all the parables of Jesus, in my humble opinion, it cannot be a parable.

[@stevetobe4494]

@@uwekonnigsstaddt524 I'm with you there...Most verses with parables start out with " And he spake this parable." There is no mention of the story of the rich man and Lazarus being a parable.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

You're basing this on the wrong metric, and it's precisely why you're wrong. You're trying to argue your theology as being correct because of what the Jews believed. However, Christ exposed the fact that a lot of the things they believed in the 1st century weren't based on the scriptures. _The Bible_ disagrees with you, because IT says that the dead have no awareness. Acts plainly shows Peter saying that David is STILL in his grave. He didn't go anywhere.

[@stevetobe4494]

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 It was not a parable. Look at 1Sam28:19. Samuel is called up from among the dead and tells Saul, "Tomorrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me." Josephus has "You shall fall in battle tomorrow, and you shall then be with me [in Hades].

[@eltonron1558]

Hell, is not latitude or longitude, but depth. Hell, is the grave, the pit, the abode of the DEAD, none living. You do not live in hell. Mt. 10:28. Ipse dixit. He himself said it. The price for sin is death, not another life in torment. Ro. 6:23. You are not separated from your body in death, you're just a dead soul. The scripture says RATHER be separated. You're only separated at salvation, not death. Mt. 10:22, 25:13.

[@A_Stereotypical_Guy]

I agree. Dying while burdened with sin is the second death, the void. The nothingness relatable to before you were born. The suffering is the absence of God which is nothingness. Christ speaks of the one who has the power to destroy the soul. Eternal life however is a reward, a gift to those who live and die with Christ in their hearts. So we can live forever or we can be cast into the abyss.

[@eltonron1558]

@A_Stereotypical_Guy The second death, is what occurs if you are resurrected to judgement, and DO NOT recieve salvation. The wage of sin, is death, the only seperation between life and God. There is NO living in nothingness.

[@NigelM18]

Romans 6vs23 eternal life is a gift, not a curse. When you die you fall asleep. Unconscious, unaware of passing time. No eternal torture.

[@arneherstad2198]

The conversation in Luke 16 is not a parable. It's an exchange that took place during the interregnum, as indicated by the facts related between the speakers. Jesus drew the curtain back and told us this for a reason. Yes, sometimes it's just that simple.

[@jimjuri6490]

The dead do not have conversations (Eccl 9:5,10). Their voice box is rotting in a grave. Jesus was targeting two living groups in his day. John 7:48 Not one of the rulers or of the Pharisees has put faith in him, has he? 49 But this crowd who do not know the Law are accursed people.”

[@bukharagunboat8466]

I've been wrestling with this passage recently, and particularly the relationship between Hades and Gehenna. The Gospels appear to view them synonymously as the eternal destiny of the unrighteous. Revelation appears to separate Hades from the Lake of Fire, treating Hades as a holding pen between death and final judgement. I wish Christians wouldn't use the word Hell, which is a word from German mythology. English translators land in several places around whether Hell translates Hades, Gehenna, or both, so its use adds to the confusion.

[@DaveBaldwin1]

I'm not sure using the term "hell" is any different than what the new testament writers used in the sense they used words such as "hades" (Greek mythology) and "Tartarus" (also Greek mythology). It's there to paint a picture for understanding of the readers.

[@IsaacNussbaum]

Sheol is not hell. Hades is not hell. Gehenna is not hell. The Lake of Fire is not hell. There is no such place a hell.

[@DaveBaldwin1]

@@IsaacNussbaum hell comes from the word geenna.

[@IsaacNussbaum]

@@DaveBaldwin1 Jesus . . . talking about Gehenna . . . quotes Isaiah 66: 24: ✴ _“And they will go out and look on the _*_dead bodies_*_ of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched….”_ (NIV) _geenna_ Phonetic Spelling: (gheh'-en-nah) Gehenna, a valley west and South of Jerusalem

[@DaveBaldwin1]

@@IsaacNussbaum so you believe that in Matthew 5, where Jesus uses the word hell (Geenna) three times, he's warning us against a valley just outside of Jerusalem?

[@alphaomega154]

here is the TRUTH, (for those who intelligent enough to heed do heed) : the "ETERNAL LIFE" jesus is referring to is BEING REBORN IN THE LIVING UNIVERSE. not once, not twice, BUT CONTINUE TO BE REBORN. there is no other place for LIFE besides THE LIVING UNIVERSE. so, make sure you GET REBORN. and make sure YOU DESERVE THAT. watch out for the contributions of your deeds. it affects your chances to be reborn. this is the REALITY VERSION. no "placebo" included.

[@dougefresh133]

It's disqualified from being a parable because Jesus named names. Jesus would not have named specific names in a parable.

[@move_i_got_this5659]

He named two of the three. The rich man wasn’t named. We don’t know if anyone is in hell, nobody has been listed by God or the prophets.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

If ppl are to believe that Christ wasn't telling a parable, then they have to believe that He lied when He told Nicodemus that no human being was ever going to Heaven(Jhn 3:13). Furthermore, Christ never explicitly mentions Abraham and Lazarus as being in Heaven. Ppl insert their assumption into the text without actually looking at what Christ said. On top of all that, this belief is clearly at odds with the biblical teaching about the dead knowing nothing.

[@move_i_got_this5659]

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 and they never bring up the end of Mark 16 where Jesus said believers would cast out demons and heal the sick. They think that part was a mistake. 😂 Jesus was mostly talking about buying into believing that God’s ways are the best. If you do it right you’ll see and do miracles in Jesus’s name.

[@aussierob7177]

It is only a parable to understand that before Christ was crucified all souls went to hell both the just and the unjust while waiting for the Redeemer.

[@Dagfari]

Every Parable has a known, "real part" and a new teaching - "kingdom of God" part. In this, the "real part" is Hades/She'ol. Jesus is using it as a setting for the story because it's a known thing. The "Kingdom of Heaven" part is that it's not the rich man in Abraham's Bosom, it's Lazarus - and that whereas the rich man never helped Lazarus when he was in the gate, Lazarus now wants to help the rich man but cannot... And so on. Long story short, farms don't exist because they're often the subject of parables.

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[@RevdGeraldJones]

And your point?

[@mastershake4641]

I have absolutely no doubt that people didnt go to heaven in the old testament. Theres way too much scripture against it. Now is it possible Jesus changed the game and people go to heaven after he was crucified and resurrected? Maybe. Abrahams bousom is 100% a parable.

[@baltichammer6162]

No Jesus did not change the game. Only those who've repented and believe sincerely in their heart Jesus the Son of God and their Messiah/Savior will go to be with Him in Heaven with God the Father. The rest will go down to The Pit. For many are called but few will make it. Jesus made it very clear that most people will reject His offer and the requirements (repentance, following the commandments, loving God) therefore casting themselves into Hell forever. Eternal life is a gift promised by God when He created mankind. God does not go back on His promises, that's another clear message in the Bible. You will exist eternally in one of two places, choose wisely.

[@silent1967]

Either way, Jesus was being serious and trying to wake you up. Dr. Heiser knows now for sure, the rest of us will find out.

[@JRRodriguez-nu7po]

Ultimately he's denying the bodily resurrection of Christ. If Christ is indeed PHYSICALLY in heaven, then He has a location.

[@Jacobsladder1993]

You all really miss the point.

[@GazGuitarz]

Even if that were the case Christ has a resurrected "new body" that can appear and disappear and can seemingly walk through locked doors and do other things that our non resurrected bodies can not do! It is merely a human assumption that the risen Christ is dwelling in some "physical" location in the heavens as neither we nor the apostles knew the exact state of Jesus' resurrected body.

[@reijishian2593]

@@GazGuitarz I don't think the abilities you're describing were limited to his new body. As an aside, the one thing that always puzzles me about Heiser's material is how insistent he is on the idea of spirits being "disembodied" when (to my mind) the Bible clearly and conversely describes a kind of "spiritual" body in every instance, even when referring to Elohim and not resurrected humans. I don't believe "spirit" means lacking in substance, form, or shape; that is a pagan concept.

[@reijishian2593]

@@Dogloki It is my belief that the bible describes the spiritual realm and everything in it not as an infra-reality or an ultra-reality, but as a super-reality. It is not an alternate thing from what we experience in our everyday lives; but rather a truer thing. There would be no reason to ever describe heaven or the new earth as physical locations in which physical activities takes place if it were not so.

[@cmcapps1963]

​​@@reijishian2593Interesting. It sounds much like CS Lewis's "Great Divorce". I do wonder, however, at our loose concept of "heaven". NT Wright is right to emphasize that the state of the soul awaiting bodily resurrection is different from the resurrected body and soul in the new heaven and new earth after the second coming. So when we say "Heaven" which do we mean?

[@a.t.6322]

Well the important thing to remember is that Lazarus is only mentioned in Luke and John. In Luke the point of the story is that even coming back from the dead won’t cause someone to believe. In John Lazarus is presented as an actual person who does come back from the dead and so people believe. Either Luke had knowledge of John and borrowed the Lazarus story or vice versa. Each repurposed the story to fit their theological agenda.

[@francisagyinasare8079]

The Lazarus in Luke is not the same person as the Lazarus in John. Luke’s was a beggar whereas John’s was not.

[@baltichammer6162]

@@francisagyinasare8079 Like Heiser used to say....The Village Atheist.....

[@jamesdick8681]

It’s not a parable because Jesus NEVER used names in his parables.

[@IsaacNussbaum]

It's not a real story because dead people are not conscious. ✴ _…a living dog is better than a dead lion. For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing,_ (Ecclesiastes 9: 4-5; NKJV) ✴ _For in death there is no remembrance of You; In the grave_ [Sheol] _who will give You thanks?_ (Psalms 6: 5, NKJV) ✴ _It is not the dead who praise the Lord, those who go down to the place of silence;_ (Psalms 115: 17, NIV) ✴ _His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish_ (Psalms 146: 4, KJV) ✴ _Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave_ [Sheol], _whither thou goest._ (Ecclesiastes 9: 10; KJV)

[@willnjohmandengue3006]

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[@notusedexer]

How do you know that you can't journey there in the physical world? What if it's in the center of the Earth? The most we drilled is ten miles. Not even that far. We have no idea what's past that point. Absolutely none

[@IsaacNussbaum]

The Kola Superdeep Borehole in Russia reached a depth of 7.6 miles. So what? What should we conclude from that, in your view?

[@IsaacNussbaum]

Dr. Heiser (RIP) could have used his position of influence to explain that hell does not exist and there is no such thing as eternal conscious torment. I wish that he had done so.

[@dustinpotter8312]

Then if he were wrong he would have misled you and many others. I think he wisely chose to let the listener determine for them selves. I personally do not think it was just a parable. God does not need make believe stories to convey his message and with his limitless knowledge he can reference anyone's circumstances as a teaching tool. It is interesting that Lazarus does not speak at all in the parable but is silent and at rest in Abraham's bosom since Abraham is called the father of those of "faith" in the New Testament. Still we do not know anything more of Lazarus's moral character beyond the "parable" and where he is at in it.

[@IsaacNussbaum]

@@dustinpotter8312 Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Dustin. A couple of thoughts of my own, if I may. First, it was common for Jesus to speak in parables, especially with the Pharisees (e.g. Matthew 13: 10-11). Second, the story of the rich man and Lazarus cannot be a true account. Here is why. In it Abraham says that Moses and the prophets are sufficient warning of hell. Yet Moses and the prophets never mentioned hell. In fact, there is no mention of eternal conscious torment anywhere in the Old Testament (2/3s of human existence!).

[@dustinpotter8312]

@@IsaacNussbaum Perhaps you have a different translations than I usually reference but in my translations Abraham only says the living referred to "have Moses and the prophets to hear" when it comes to repentance. Abraham does not mention Moses warning about hell but in their present day real-time repentance is required. Terms like cursed and cut off from people/congregation are common enough. It is for acts where they do not love God with all their heart and their neighbor as themselves they will be cut off and it is obvious the rich-man's indifference to Lazarus was contrary to God's laws. Not coming in to the congregation also means a separation from the God of the congregation. So I don't know as I would clarify that as a deciding factor. There are plenty of other references in the Old Testament where the Israeli's have terms for the grave, sheol and hades that by the time of Jesus's ministry the concept would be known in their society. thank you for sharing.

[@IsaacNussbaum]

*Part 1* ✴ _"Nowhere in the Old Testament is the abode of the dead regarded as a place of punishment or torment._ (The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, p. 788.) ✴ _“...in no case does Sheol mean ‘hell’ in the sense people mean today. There is no place of eternal punishment in any passage of the entire Old Testament.”_ (“Heaven and Hell, A History of the Afterlife,” page 83, by Bart D. Ehrman) ✴ _“...the King James translators [rendered] Sheol as ‘hell’ when it applied to unrighteous people and as ‘the grave’ when it applied to the righteous. …there is absolutely no justification for this practice; the meaning of the word Sheol does not change depending upon the character of the person going there.”_ (Sheol In the Old Testament)

[@IsaacNussbaum]

*Part 2* The rich man said: _"I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment."_ According to Abraham Moses and the prophets are more than enough for that purpose. But Moses and the prophets do not address the issue of going to "this place of torment."

[@lastchance8142]

Whether or not it was a parable, the rich man was in Hades, not Gehenna (the Lake of Fire). Too many Christians conflate the two.

[@IsaacNussbaum]

Gehenna is not the Lake of Fire. Gehenna is a valley southwest of Jerusalem where the dead bodies of God's enemies will be destroyed by worms that cannot die and fire that cannot be quenched (Isaiah 66: 24).

[@lastchance8142]

@@IsaacNussbaum You are correct about that. But scripture often has both a physical and a spiritual fulfillment. I have come to believe that Gehenna has it's spiritual fulfillment in the Lake of Fire, the Second Death, being the death of the soul, the end of existence. Jesus alluded to this in Matt.10:28 and called it Gehenna.

[@Re_Mindemic_Virus]

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[@rayleinbaugh9665]

People in hell have no name, and people in paradise or heaven get a new name?

[@UpperZenith]

I will attempt to answer you: A "name" is both proper noun and also the summary of all that defines our personhood, our identity, the context of our specific existence, persona, unique traits, attributes, character, talents, gifts, role(s), purpose, mission, assignment and other defining qualities. In hell, personhood is annihilated and the earthly name has been judged and condemned. In the second death we do not receive our new name under the criterion mentioned here. For those condemned, our first life ends along with the name and personhood.

[@tedprice5828]

A lot of talk about nothing. It is the truth.

[@danielboone8256]

I’m surprised Heiser wasn’t an annihilationist

[@lastchance8142]

He may have been. When asked directly during an interview, he wouldn't commit, but said something to the effect that he was "leaning" in that direction. Sorry, can't say who that interview was with.

[@danielboone8256]

@@lastchance8142 Very fascinating and reframes this video, then. Thanks for the info!

[@danielboone8256]

@@lastchance8142 Although, now that I think of it, why didn't he see the importance of whether this was a parable or not if he leaned annihilationist?

[@lastchance8142]

@@danielboone8256 Yeah, in the scholarly world, it takes a major commitment to come out against the traditional view. There could be a lot of blowback from listeners too. He may not have wanted to open that can of worms.

[@IsaacNussbaum]

*"I’m surprised Heiser wasn’t an annihilationist"* He should have been. I think that every Christian should believe in conditional immortality. ✴ _"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see_ [eternal] life…"_. (John 3: 36, ESV)

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[@lonecar144]

@ 1:35 If the bible (KJV) was written and compiled by men of opinion and perspective and translated by incompetent translators then you might as well throw it in the trash. The prophets were told what to write and how to write it, 2 Peter 1:20-21 (KJV) Amen

[@BlackAdderLXX]

NLT > KJV

[@lonecar144]

@@BlackAdderLXX Deut 4:2 (KJV) and Rev 22:18-19 (KJV) tell us there can be only one preserved Word of God. And yet version after version is spewed out to deceive. There is not a power that is not given by God. Through providence God raised up the most powerful nation there ever was or will be, the U.S.A., and in its infancy it was given the preserved word of God; “Robert Aitken, a Philadelphia printer, was the first to publish the first American edition of the K.J.V. New Testament in 1781 and the K.J.V. Old Testament in 1782, omitting the Apocrypha. On completion, he petitioned and received from the Congress of the Confederation, an official endorsement that Aitken added to the binding of his Bibles, to assure colonists that they were buying a non-royalist edition: “Resolved, that the United States in Congress assembled… recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States and hereby authorize him to publish this recommendation.” As a result, the Aitken Bible (KJV) is often referred to as “The Bible (KJV) of the Revolution.” The nation was given the KJV, not the dead sea scrolls, not the book of Enoch, not Hebrew books etc. but only the KJV. If God wanted us to understand his word in Hebrew he would have raised this nation up speaking Hebrew. Back in the 1600’s God saw to it that the certain scriptures were translated into English “KJ Bible” and was put into print so that all could read for themselves the truth that in in the scriptures. God did this because he knew that he would bring about this powerful nation [U.S.A. and the English language] of ours to lead the world. The scriptures were written by apostles and prophets inspired by God through the Holy Ghost. The compilation and translation to English was also done by the direction of God through the Holy Ghost and he did not make any mistakes, i.e., the fourth horse being “pale” was no mistake, the horse is not green. In Greek mythology, the name Chloris (Khloris Χλωρίς, from khloros χλωρός, meaning “greenish-yellow,” “pale green,” “pale,” “pallid” or “fresh”) appears… Pallid 1. pale; faint or deficient in color; wan: a pallid countenance. People say that they believe that scripture was written by the direction of God and the Holy Ghost, which is true. But what you people don’t seem to realize is that the compilation and translation of the bible (KJV) was also done by the direction of God and the Holy Ghost. If the bible (KJV) was written and compiled by men of opinion and perspective and translated by incompetent translators then you might as well throw it in the trash. The prophets were told what to write and how to write it, 2 Peter 1:20-21 (KJV) The nation was given the symbol of the Eagle, 37 … Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together. Luke 17:37 (KJV), the body being the Church, the body of Christ. The nation has the motto and preamble “in God we trust” and “one nation under God”. This greatest and most powerful nation the U.S.A., has been given the last and best chance to lead the world to heaven on earth or destruction. But like all other nations of power before it (symbolic Israels, Rev 11:8 (KJV)) the U.S. has chosen destruction and is now the great “liar” saying “in God we trust” and “one nation under God”, it is now the conglomerate of the dragon, beast, false prophet, and harlot, it is Satan loosed from the pit, 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth Rev 20:7-8 (KJV). And yet no one seems to know of or speak of a very clear fulfillment of prophecy in our recent history. We (U.S.A.) are the ones who brought down fire from heaven in Aug. of 1945 and we are the ones that gave life to the image of the beast in May of 1948. Rev.13:13-15 (KJV). All glory to God. Amen

[@MyTwoCentsApp]

This all makes sense once you realize that the "place" Jesus was referring to is located inside YOUR MIND.

[@DeaconBean]

Too many xtians are afraid of Heiser....heiserphobes

[@baltichammer6162]

They do not understand as they do not have the guidance of the Holy Spirit. They are relying on blind guides past and present like Calvin, Augustine, John MacArthur, John Piper. Not to mention the low hanging fruit that're very well known and active today.

[@eltonron1558]

Without a resurrection of the dead, there is no afterlife. Mt. 10:28. There is no resurrection of the dead, until the return of Christ. 1 Cor. 15:18-24? The parable of the rich man, is a parable, as they both died. The dead know, and do nothing.

[@Dexter.001]

Heiser really had low regard for YHWH, just look at this Heiser store with the T-shirts and apparel. One of the captions how our creator God/YHWH is described as "species unique!". That totally down grades God/YHWH to just a mere species or a creation. God/YHWH is "Holiness Unique". God/YHWH is HOLY, not some kind of species!! Stuff like this is disturbing and offensive. This "species unique" is Blasphamy!! Sad that so many followed his teaching, especially on spiritual matters of scripture. Isaiah 6:3 And one called out to another and said, “Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord of hosts, The whole earth is full of His glory.” Revelation 4:8 And the four living creatures, each one of them having six wings, are full of eyes around and within; and day and night they do not cease to say,“Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God, the Almighty, who was and who is and who is to come.”

[@baltichammer6162]

You are really digging deep and selectively in order to smear Heiser's name and his hard work to bring God's truth in the Bible to the masses, without filters formed by men of low understanding and evil intent. You certainly exalt yourself to an elevated pillar of piety to cast aspersions upon anything that YOU deem unworthy in your eyes. You obviously have NOT been following anything of Heiser's work for at least 5 to 7 years. He was not selling t-shirts. That is a really cheap underhanded smear. As far as the rest of your totally warped complaints, you again show your ignorance of Dr Heiser's work and statements. But that doesn't stop you from making up your own Holiness According To Me, which is so much like Jean Cauvin, man in Geneva. Your whole diatribe has the screeching rage of Jean Cauvin who also elevated himself to be The One and Only Voice of God on Earth, and demanded the Geneva Council to declare him as such which they did, along with another of his demands. That his writings be declared as Holy Writ same as the biblical authors. Bizarrely enough, that also was granted and made law, then enforced by the sword of the state. Your venomous backbiting is so Calvinistic in spirit, it leaps off the page its so blatant. Frankly, selling T-shirts with the likeness of Cauvin with "cool sunglasses" emblazoned with "Calvin is my Home Boy" are at the height of tacky. Not just tacky but a devious attempt to make the evils and deceit of Jean Cauvin's dark twisted heart seem cool and fashionable. Besides Heiser died over a year ago. His wife + a foundation are working to pay the bills and keep spreading the truth of God's Message to all mankind.

[@darkknightsds]

People who think the words in the Gospels actually belong to Jesus, particularly late Gospels like Luke, are awfully naive.

[@ladosdominik1506]

People who think so, did not study the topic enough.

[@baltichammer6162]

People who have and want no broad clear view of the New Testament come up with false claims like this. So bogus and petty. Only deceives those as ignorant or less that you are.

[@isahunnybee]

Honestly! Get off your couch or computer and stop arguing about the minutia that matters not! Be productive! Have a heart to God and a hand to man! Be salt (flavor) and light to the world! You can wonder about these things and debate amongst yourselves, but get up and get doing!

[@IsaacNussbaum]

I don't agree that the question of an intermediate state between death and the resurrection falls into the category of minutia. I think it is, perhaps, the most important question facing the church today.