The Aftermath of the Instagram Face

[@LavenderTowne]

honestly I think the plastic surgeons are jumping to do 'reactions' to try and control the conversation and make it about 'bad' filler, not the eventual outcome of filler in general, and obviously nothing ~they~ would ever do, they're way too good, blah blah blah. It's totally a defensive maneuver to try and keep their business flowing >>

[@Millettzz]

100%

[@Mizy2183]

True af! ive even seen some surgeons putting down other procedures like Botox, showing proof that its not good and then re-directing them to another invasive procedure that only they do which is 'better' than x surgery. ''more safer, better results' , etc. They still dont care about you, they still want your money, they still are pushing you to change your face and body, just in a more covert, non-obvious way to come across as more authentic!

[@selmismiles9939]

did not expect to see lavendertowne in the wild

[@juliapaprika3364]

damn, that was on point

[@coffeebean4356]

Well DUH they get paid for their work?

[@lazylittledragon]

the craziest part is that people are so brainwashed by instagram face that they're calling actual HIGH FASHION RUNWAY MODELS ugly for having unique features

[@noaffiliation-x8w]

Seen this not long ago. Very specific woman who does high fashion and basically looks like an old Italian painting getting told shes ugly on Instagram. She is one of the most beautiful humans i have ever seen and it’s crazy to me she gets the hate she does. Like, we as a society used to paint women like that because we were so enamoured with their beauty but now tear them apart for not looking like a Kardashian.

[@happygecko66]

deadass i’ve always been called beautiful but for the past couple of years seeing insta face has made me lose so much self esteem. now i’m just working on loving my face again. i hope i can now do makeup to accentuate my unique features and hopefully help normalize a natural face again

[@Udontkno7]

I do think it should be understood that runway model has never been 1=1 with what is societally beautiful. But what the fashion world might find beautiful, or striking, or even plain, or whatever way that puts their clothes in the best light.

[@PlaceholderName-b4d]

Highway models are chosen for looking "unique" (aka weird), not for being pretty. Most people really wouldn't think they're all that pretty.

[@lazylittledragon]

@@PlaceholderName-b4d in that case yours (and 'most people's') idea of 'pretty' is exactly what this video is talking about.

[@alanacrail1750]

Saying plastic surgeons should be banned from making tiktoks is so real, I've felt that way for ages

[@ssssundae]

me too!!! i've felt this for years! it's so nasty

[@Vanessa-uo6lt]

I uninstalled TikTok because of that!

[@sheatemyheartt]

To be fair, there's a good amount of surgeons who make educational content about their profession too, but the ones that aren't literal education.. ew

[@cautionofsommer]

YES. the first time i saw a plastic surgeon on tiktok i just knew things would get so much worse

[@dddloveit]

yes....

[@RedDeadReverie]

Why do people act like 30 is so old? I’m turning 29 soon and it feels like I’m going to magically turn into the Crypt Keeper in everyone’s eyes 😂

[@vivanesca]

alas, realitically this is one of the thresholds for aging and you need to adjust your routine

[@dublancdedinde]

it's "internet" old. really irl 30 year old still is pretty young.

[@bandanarathore]

I am 35 this year and although I have gained quite a bit weight I feel my most beautiful, confident, stylish and satisfied with life right now. 30s is a whole new phase girly. And trust me what 20 year olds think 30 year olds look like is not what actually happens in real life. 😂😂

[@transsexual_computer_faery]

i think past 30 it feels old. like im 35 and i feel young, but looking forward im like, fuck im gonna be 40 in 5 years. thats middle age....... i hate growing old.

[@chickenfoot2423]

i think most people know it isnt old, but LOOKING 30 at 22 is what blows peoples minds, so they say they look 'old' relative to their real age and their peers. i mean, it is shocking when you find out peoples ages and realise their appearance has been aged so much by filler, botox and surgery. being 30 and looking 30 is nothing

[@alostkoi]

The banalization of plastic surgery is worrying. Yeah, you do what you want with your body; but doing that as part of a party with your besties…. It's a needle getting into your body, not lipstick.

[@hospitable_ghost]

Also, do what you want with your body, but don't act like those decisions are made in a vacuum.

[@notyou1178]

I think that’s the case because there are a lot of very young kids online watching content made for adults. 30 is definitely not old.

[@kunpunko]

“do what you want” oh shutup. this shit isn’t good or necessary for ANYONE. choices don’t exist in a vacuum.

[@businesszeus6864]

@@kunpunkothat is false? reconstructive plastic surgery is very much needed, like after accidents, or trans people, or so many other things. the first surgeries ever performed in ancient Greece were nose jobs, this is not new. yes, there should be a limit, but saying it isn’t ever necessary is just stupid

[@mhmh912]

Yeah well lipstick used to contain lead in it. the real critique is not about women choosing the participate in the beauty options that are offered to them but rather why are companies and governments not willing to prioritize women’s health and safety over a profit?

[@ari88elle]

I don't particularly like "My Wife and Kids" but on a particular episode, the wife went to what was called a 'botox party' or something, with her friends. Her husband was upset about it, and yes, that sounds a little manipulative/toxic, but hear me out: he asks her what she's going to get done, and when she says 'my smile lines' he goes like 'oh no, not the smile lines! i worked so hard to put them there!' and i never thought about facial lines the same. I know it's kinda stupid, but it worked on my (then) young brain.

[@littlemissmello]

That's very sweet actually

[@sana0111]

my wife and kids is so funny tho😭

[@Cryinginthecloudssss]

I feel ya on that. I recently rewatched some of my wife and kids and the fat jokes were CRAZY especially in season 2 when the actor who plays the wife gained SOME weight. She was NOT fat I couldn’t continue to watch it

[@alvafairchild13]

Same like if i get wrinkles im earning them

[@nikkismith2858]

That’s very sweet. My introduction to Botox was THE ONLY WAY IS ESSEX and they had a Botox party and they were in their early twenties I was very confused

[@MADEbySOUL]

A small disclaimer, but I would like to add that a lot of the criticism Katy Perry received was due to her working with Dr. Luke heavily on her recent project which was about girl power. Insert infamous Kesha’s allegations about Dr. Luke. The hypocrisy is what people dislike and the fact Katy Perry has the resources to collaborate with female mixers, producers, and writers.

[@ericasmith4800]

The irony of working with Dr. Luke for a FEMINIST song, insanity

[@give_em_the_Ol_Razzle_Dazzle]

That’s not even taking into account when Katy Perry kissed a man against his will when she was judge on that talent show.

[@mysticwolf46]

I think she has a 6 album deal with him. But it is wild that all the writers for the song are men.

[@marielozoria]

it also objectively sucked

[@paulinaa9205]

@@mysticwolf46 According to Katy's deposition, it was a 3 album deal, not 6. And these 3 albums have already been released (One of the Boys, Teenage Dream and PRISM)

[@saldiamond]

"the allure of effortlessness" also reminds me of how women should be thin but also be the cool girl that eat huge burgers and don't care about salads and shouldn't talk about how they workout to stay at or achieve a low weight.

[@roelin360]

I'm happy at least that's not (as much of) a thing anymore

[@W4TSKY]

Enter the “cool girl” monologue from Gone Girl

[@Melissa-sx9vh]

@@W4TSKY The cool girl monologue is always on loop at the back of my mind

[@ghostinthecity]

It's like how in the 90s and early 2000s, you were expected to be super skinny but God forbid you develop an eating disorder trying to achieve that, then you were just vain and stupid.

[@_politefrog_8892]

“Cool girl thin” means you chain smoke or use other drugs 😮 doesn’t look cool for long

[@sapphic.flower]

The sound of “we’re moving away from these beauty standards” sounds relieving until you realize it’s not an actual rejection of beauty standards but just a shift into a new one that is equally harmful and sexist. Also, I’m seeing the trajectory of our current beauty standards and it’s giving Lolita 🥶

[@livs8854]

Couldn’t agree more 🙃

[@vivalavivi1424]

Already there, sadly...

[@vivaciously]

THIS it really is giving lolita.

[@LuluTheCorgi]

You don't have to listen to society, just decouple and do your own thing

[@zidian1356]

​@@LuluTheCorgieasy to say, but every norm you have ingrained in your brain has been influenced by the world around you. you and i were perhaps lucky to be able to say nah imma do my own thing but keep in mind, young people are impressionable. not to infantilize 20yos and say they dont know what they're doing but when you grow up with a certain standard ingrained into your mind it takes conscious effort to disregard it and people simply dont think a lot about that

[@aprilmazae4811]

as feminists we need to stop with the idea that just because a woman chooses something, that choice is feminist or antipatriarchy. we are all coerced by our (racist, misogynist, ableist) society into thinking certain standards of beauty are desirable. we are all coerced by societal expectation into doing things like plastic surgery and makeup in order to better fit into those standards of beauty. this shouldn't be a controversial belief among feminists. i also think it's disgusting to pressure women into getting beauty treatments and surgery, and then make fun of them for looking "old" as a result of those procedures. the social media fueled rise of plastic surgery over the last decade is really worrying.

[@kunpunko]

exactly. choice feminism has completely dumbed down so much of the movement.

[@ratgurl1]

i completely agree. changing the way we talk about appearance takes intentionality, and *that intentionality* is how we change our thought patterns as well. shaming people for appearance and their acquiescence or not to beauty standards keeps us in this hierarchy in which some people are always on the bottom - usually including disabled people - which predictably leads to The Worst Kind Of Science

[@thesevenkingswelove9554]

Choice feminism makes no sense tbh, because like everything we do is interrelated. You don't make choices in a vaccum, its related to your environment, people around you etc .

[@heywhat6676]

hmmm its so convenient that most of the actions people defend as women's choices are.....exactly what the patriarchy expects of them. interesting

[@eo0-g9j]

Leftists idea of feminism is just to satisfy men

[@rudetuesday]

That "limited time to uselessness" thing is everywhere in how girls and women are socialized. It's in purity culture, beauty standards, the framing of romance, marriage, and motherhood as ultimate goals, and so much more. There's so much cruelty and bullying in it.

[@emmap6866]

I think it also ties into the objectification and commodification of girls and women under capitalism. We are taught that our only value is whatever we can be for men. There’s just so much pressure to live up to an impossible standard

[@rudetuesday]

@@emmap6866 Yes. It starts with being socialized to please others, to be responsible for fostering things like hospitality and seeing others needs while ignoring one's own needs and wants, as if girls and women are a variety of decorative working appliance.

[@carolsimpson4422]

I remember watching teenage girl Olympians as a teen and thinking I'd already missed the boat at being truly awesome at anything. ever. As a teen I felt old and useless...I only had so much time to impress the world and that time was already over.

[@rudetuesday]

@@carolsimpson4422 I recognize that feeling.

[@kitsuchii5825]

@@carolsimpson4422 How did u overcome that...? I'm kinda in that mental state right now, and it would be helpful to know.

[@bbcassidy3944]

growing older is a privilege that many don’t get to see. your skin is a record of your time here- i’ve never understood the obsessive urge to keep it blank forever

[@Blaquebarbgamer]

Because people live stressful lives, so that’s going to show on their faces.

[@mjrhmekssh]

​@@Blaquebarbgamerand?

[@caranook]

Yeah I think there’s a beauty in aging that should be embraced!

[@kirakiesler7447]

This is so important- the options are growing old or dying young. Aging is something not afforded to everyone, be grateful if you get to age.

[@Blaquebarbgamer]

@@mjrhmekssh AND that’s why people get wrinkles and stress lines on their faces. I didn’t say it was a bad thing. People try to erase that , but it’s part of the story of your face 🤷🏾‍♀️. It is what it is.

[@Housewarmin]

I audibly gasped when you said the course could be completed in ONE DAY. I said 6 weeks.

[@anzaia2164]

I thought I'd really lowballed my guess with two weeks, but apparently not.

[@Feverm00n]

I also said 6 weeks!!

[@ariesmry]

Naw... I know how these courses go with the whole "veneer tech" bs going on in the US. I said 2 days (one for theory and anatomy, one for practice and business) and still was shocked at one. The crazy thing is you have to complete a 200 hour training course to be a YOGA TEACHER and teach the gentlest of yoga, meanwhile folks are out here getting injected by people who took an 8- 12 hr day course. WILD

[@mysticwolf46]

I think Robert welsh has an entire video on this, I definitely recommend it, it's WILD.

[@RayHamill]

I guessed 3 months and thought it was way too short lol

[@MarinaAli]

Completely agree that plastic surgeons need to be off Twitter. I’m in med school rn and I’m appalled by what these “medinfluencers” push on the daily. It’s extremely uncomfortable to watch these professionals, who are at the peak of their career, mock and joke people who were botched by people just like themselves. Honestly, unless a doctor is actively educating the public to get annual checkups, vaccines, tests, etc or sharing their personal lives on private pages or even advocating for healthcare reform/funding, I don’t think they need to be on there.

[@nikkismith2858]

There was this scandal about a woman plastic surgeon doing a TIK TOK LIVE WHILE DOING THE SURGERY i think she made a mistake and got sued

[@MarinaAli]

@@nikkismith2858 Lol there's like two cases that I know of in the US that were like this. It's crazy b/c these were female plastic surgeons too. You would think they would be more aware of the consequences of their actions on their female patients.

[@disappearinghills]

I feel like plastic surgery has been normalised as “safe” when there are many, many dangerous consequences to any filler or surgery. It’s part celebrity and influencer culture indirectly promoting it, while they would say society pressured them to be beautiful at any price. It’s a cruel cycle that probably won’t end. If you feel yourself becoming insecure over the new body trend (social media will make insecure you of ANYTHING if you let it), then try and step away from the screen! The real world isn’t like that and if it is for you then get new friends. You aren’t equal to your beauty ❤

[@knjparadise]

the other important thing to note is that these are relatively new procedures and we actually don’t really know what the long term effects are. lip fillers, for example, stay in the body longer than doctors were initially saying when everyone started getting them. your body is not a trend, and it shouldn’t be treated like one

[@navier5078]

People who get insecure very easily should just stay away from social media. I saw a commenter say smn like how Kylie Jenner got some surgeries and the commenter said she felt insecure and wanted to get those surgeries too. If you feel you need surgeries just cause you saw a celeb do them then you should just hop off social media since it clearly isn’t doing any good for you.

[@dismurrart6648]

Honestly, plastic surgery feels a lot like the same discourse with s3xual liberation and d**g use. I genuinely don't care if someone gets filler or is having a wild and spicy time. I want people to do whatever they want with their body. After we promote it as something we shouldn't shame though, it becomes open waters. Ghouls come in who do actually want to take advantage of you and it goes from "who cares mind your own business" to people trying to convince you that you will feel more fulfilled or be more successful if you do xyz. You see it with steroids too. Trying to get people to stop lying to young men has turned into people promoting steroid use in teenagers.

[@justacoginthefkery]

If you look back, every potential money maker is touted as "safe" in the beginning stages. Cigs & vape, crash diets & pills, implants, surgery, filler, mercury, pain killers, etc etc. Companies can make the claim simply because there's not enough time or understanding to gauge long term effects plus it makes ppl more inclined to go along with it.

[@rachelbuck5673]

It reminds me of women in like the 17th century putting lead based powder on their face to look more beautiful but it was causing crazy pimples and sores cause it was literally LEAD

[@bexiexz]

omg

[@HarrietWanjau]

Yea and arsenic to bleach their skin to look fair but would suffer horrible sores and d*e painfully but hey beauty is pain

[@bexiexz]

@@HarrietWanjau omg noo

[@mysticwolf46]

I think she has a 6 album deal with him, but it is wild that all the writers for the song are men

[@yoursalwaysliyah]

i was just talking about this to my sister. i was like we make fun of those beauty regimens they used back then but we haven’t seen the long term effects our beauty regimens might have on us in the future.

[@ThereAre4Lights]

Plastic surgeons hate women. Sorry lol but it's true! I went for a cosmetic procedure and it needed a few sessions, so I did all of them and had a check in with the plastic surgeon once it was done. I was SO happy with the results and thought this was just going to be a quick checkup to make sure everything was healing properly because I had only seen techs before that, not the Dr (it was non invasive so, I thought this apt would be super simple), but no. This was basically a further sales appointment where the doctor tutted over my entire appearance that I didn't ask for, said the procedure I did have "didn't work" and that I would need more sessions to see results. WTF??? This was a blatant lie, I had clearly visible results so that is complete bs, and not only that, I told him I wanted natural looking results and I specifically told him I was super happy with them! So there he is, insisting I "need" more things done and that what I went in wanting wasn't good enough! It all had this medical vibe to it and he implied I should trust him because he's a doctor! Even though it's a fully voluntary thing and has zero medical necessity! I'd assume this isn't that uncommon of a phenomenon, some highly educated, professional man is telling you what you want is wrong, and you have more wrong with you than you realized, so a lot of women probably go in looking for one thing and end up being pressured, upsold and shamed into much more. I now hate my results and feel even worse about myself so it's this complicated mess and I empathize even more with anyone who gets any sort of procedure done. I needed kindness and care, not whatever tf this was! Amazing essay as always!!❤

[@nomanejane5766]

Just because a bad doctor is trying to sell u something, doesn't mean they hate women. They just want to make money

[@BasketFullOfRainbows]

@@nomanejane5766I had a very similar experience! A few years ago I wanted to get chin filler as my chin is a bit recessed, I seen a procedure I wanted online and it was at a price I could afford at the time. I booked an appointment and went in and asked for that procedure and the doctor/person doing it (I am not sure of the correct term to call them 😂) started telling me I had all these other things wrong with my appearance and I had to get more procedures done to fix my face :( I didn’t go through with the appointment because of the cost but I am so so glad I didn’t. I have 3 younger sisters and I would hate for them to feel like they need to change their features and I want to be a better example to them

[@madel005]

​@@nomanejane5766 I just think hate is a simplification here, and that it's more so a lack of respect and being blind sighted by successful surgeries they've done. Behind all scandals with unsolicited advice, needles or failed surgeries, is a plastic surgeon with God complex. Greed is not a feeling, it's a result of desire and despise and while that might not mean they HATE women, it certainly doesn't come from a place of love. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@ThereAre4Lights]

@@madel005 hate, don't consider us as equal value to all people, I'm not sure the distinction really matters y'all. I want to make money too but I haven't built a million dollar business off of criticising women's appearances, then profiting off of their insecureties and convincing them they need medically risky procedures that they absolutely do not need and then mocking them on social media for taking my advice.

[@hannahlagerquist1063]

I experienced this too! I broke my nose several years ago - when I was in the ER the doctor told me they couldn’t do much and I’d need to see a plastic surgeon. It’s not super obvious so I was fine with how it healed but I was having consistent nosebleeds so I went to the surgeon to see if there was some bone not where it was supposed to be or something. He came in wearing a suit instead of scrubs or a lab coat (first red flag) and proceeded to list a bunch of presumably fake “stats” about how aesthetically normal my nose was. I learned I have a very straight septum and a capillary bed very close to the surface in my left nostril. I also learned to never go to a plastic surgery clinic again - reconstructive places only thx

[@eeeggg33]

I'm rapidly approaching 32 and honestly the most freeing thing about aging for me has been distancing myself from comparisons. Once you get past that mid 20s age bracket you realise you can't 'compete' with youth, and I know that for some people this is what leads them down the path of cosmetic surgery but for me? It felt like a weight was lifted from my shoulders honestly. Seeing a group of fashionable 20somethings doesn't make me feel self conscious anymore, I just walk past like "good for them" and carry on with my day. I really wish more people could experience this

[@sophiabreidfischer6242]

Thats a really healthy mindset! I appreciate your sharing that perspective

[@wilmamoller9627]

LOVE this comment

[@91pinklipstick]

32 is not even old. Too soon to give up

[@eeeggg33]

@91pinklipstick Give up on what? I still look great, I just feel absolutely no pressure to look a certain way anymore and that's a lovely feeling.

[@Flowerbbb]

You can’t compete with youth at 26? Now that is depressing lol

[@laurenk2677]

Wait Dr. Miami posting uncensored surgeries on Snapchat was a fever dream

[@GetElevatedWithMe]

There were sooooo many too 😂 and IG lives of the surgeries. Insane.

[@swtlikecndy4119]

I was literally scarred for life seeing that ish on snapchat 😢

[@caranook]

Snapchat of all places too 😭

[@PixxiesPlanet]

10:26 imagine a therapist going on social media and trashing how “unfixable” some people are like plastic surgeons do would you want to go?!

[@dani-888]

!!!

[@madel005]

Omg I can see that in satire though 😅🙈

[@LeanderEve]

This!!

[@lucyandecember2843]

pretty sure i've allready seen this happen tbh

[@khodges72]

Imagine Jordan Peterson

[@em12bun]

recently, i got roped into one of those stupid tiktok street interviews even though i really didn’t want to do it. i don’t really use social media like tiktok or instagram so i was really shocked and hurt to see the comments people were making about my appearance. i’m 31 and people irl regularly tell me i look young but people in the comments were saying i look 40 and absolutely busted. it has honestly made me really anxious about being perceived. it’s so weird. i’m tired of being a woman in this world lol.

[@amandamfds]

I am so sorry. There is a special type of cruelty that people (even young women) employ in comment sections. I hope you know that those words reflect a lot about them and nothing about you. *hugs*

[@alvafairchild13]

Thats stupid cause you look great if they aren't having the courtesy to ask I'd just flip them off and walk they ain't the news they can fuck off 🤨

[@madel005]

I think the crux is that there is a whole art form of how to pose, talk, and act in order to qualify as "young" on TikTok. And while some of those things might be connected to age a lot of it is culture, context, or just made up rules that only exist in social media. I sometimes get "compliments" about looking young, but if I take a selfie with the wrong angle or make-up I instantly think "old" 😢

[@aylayzrianne]

so sorry you experienced that. i find it horrifying how so many young people (young girls included) are tearing down other women in a vapid competition on who can look the youngest. it's like they think they will never age, ever. i'm sure you look lovely in person

[@EllieGrant-x6u]

Hii. I usually don't comment but your experience sounds so harmful to your self image. Please please realise people say shit online because it's this filtered reality where everyone is an influencer and looks a certain way living a certain life. When people go online they expect exactly that and forget what normal is. Normal is ok. I'm sure irl people wouldn't think those things about you because they would no longer view you through the insanely messed up standards of social media. For instance If i went online people would say shit about my appearance bc ofcourse like most people i am far from perfect, whereas irl I do get people chatting me up and I do occasionally get told I'm attractive. People don't even want what they see on social media, our minds are not made to understand these various complex realities. I'm sure in your life you have had people find you beautiful and you still do. So my first point is that basically humans don't even understand what pretty is when online, bc their brains are so fried, it's their online opinion not their real life opinion. Secondly, every single extremely beautiful model or person or anyone online gets shit on for their appearance by someone. If even the most beautiful women get told they are not all that by some people it goes to show how fd the situation is. Also, because social media reaches huge audiences it seems like if 100 people say something nasty everyone thinks that when in fact that's 100 out of maybe 100 000 people. And it's basically only those comments you see all grouped together when in reality that's not how people see you at all. So please don't let this get to you, trust me this isn't even how people perceive you irl. Stay yourself, you are beautiful exactly how you are meant to be❤️

[@marylouklpm]

I’ve gotten nose fillers when I was 19. Most of my life I’ve been struggling with eating disorders and overall body image, so when I got my nose done I not only was in a dark place but I also believed having a straight nose would suddenly make me like my face. Guess what didn’t happen? Plus while getting the fillers injected I immediately regretted getting it done and knew I’d never do it again. Now in my twenties I’m proud of my nose and my heritage and I’m incredibly grateful that my younger self didn’t fall down the rabbit hole of getting more and more filler or even plastic surgery. I wish all the young girls weren’t constantly exposed to all those toxic beauty standards and dangerous procedures. It breaks my heart and I’m terrified of what’ll happen over time to all those women who’ve been touching their faces and bodies for years. Also those fillers were expensive af

[@rhoda3704]

“BEAUTY STANDARDS HARM EVERYONE TO SOME DEGREE- EVEN THOSE WHO PERPETUATE THEM.” yes! Amazing quote, ma’am!

[@juliaw9835]

Plastic surgeons making hateful "jokes" about women is unfortunately nothing new, the amount of contempt for their female clients in that industry is sickening. Misogyny is so, so normalised in the medical field in general.

[@j44268]

1 singular day to become "qualified" to inject things into people's faces is FOUL

[@zanderisamazing5043]

When people were talking about how old kylie looks i saw a plastic surgeon saying that filler under the eyes are a bad idea. He said that back when he started doing fillers he would inject that area snd would presumably recommend it but after some months realised that as filler sttracts flyid it wasn't a good idea and soon stopped. It behs the questions, what about the people he had already done this too? How would they geel watching these statements? Would he correct his mistakes for free? Needless to say it just clearly shows that they are experimenting on paying customers who don't realise that they are paying to be guinea pigs 😢

[@madel005]

And also, at what pace?! How fast are they to try out new methods on everyone walking through the door 😬

[@businesszeus6864]

i mean, when you’re fresh out of med school and been taught that these things will look good and be fine, you won’t know that was a lie until you experience it yourself. at least, he stopped as soon as he realised, which is already more than most surgeons would do

[@caras4766]

What exactly was his reasoning behind under eye filler being bad idea? Just curious, I’d like to know more

[@MissDW]

​@@caras4766 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIeQh5Wvg82ti68si=bbzFW2e4oPIsAE7I

[@MissDW]

​​@@caras4766 victorian cosmetic insitute - "why i stopped filling tear troughs..." I guess its this video the comment is talking about

[@codysmith3853]

I used to get Botox above my upper lip because I went in for a lip consultation and the injector said that I have a "gummy smile", meaning when I smile you can see my upper gums and Botox could 'drop' my lip down to conceal that. Until that point I had never thought about that and was actually more concerned about my teeth. It's been around five years since I stopped getting that "treatment" and I still think about my "gummy smile" sometimes. These people literally give us new things to be insecure about and I HATE IT

[@bobabooks]

i also have a gummy smile, and you should, on the contrary, be thankful for it. as you age, your face will droop down, covering your gums. the face will look more attractive as you since everyone else will look like their face is dropping, yours (and mine haha) isn’t going to appear that way as much

[@allyli1718]

This is so weird bc one kpop idol I know has a beauty standard surrounding his gummy smile, like it’s a plus. Never realized the plastic surgeons were saying BS about gummy smiles lol

[@codysmith3853]

@@allyli1718 fr? What's his name, need to check out my twin

[@smalswald]

@Han-hd6krI was coming here to comment this!! A “bad” trait is always a loved standard somewhere else in the world. K-pop loves the gummy smile

[@AleksandraBoguslawska]

Honestly fillers botox etc are so common here in the uk that you stand out if you don't have them. Like at my gym in Edinburgh 90% of women have lip fillers I'm not exaggerating. I feel like I stand out because I didn't have anything done but honestly not a fan of the look at the same time...

[@chickenfoot2423]

Wow thats interesting. Weirdly I feel it's fairly uncommon among most young people in manchester despite our popularity with love island babes. But is it noticeable kylie jenner lip filler you're seeing? Or just the tell tale signs on the upper lip but an otherwise small amount? Because I feel like there's such a huge difference between the 2. I know a lot of people who've tried the latter once and then never did it again.

[@emilyr8668]

you know whats interesting is i also live in a plastic surgery hotspot (california) but i guess im very bad at recognizing it. my friend was saying the ladies at her work all admitted they had had fillers with the exception of one other person besides herself and i was like so surprised

[@user-ix7rj3pc7r]

That is very interesting! At my gym it's not overly common but my gym is outside Glasgow. Maybe it's more common in the bigger cities...

[@monjels44]

Exactly! I'm a uni student in the UK and almost every girl I know already has fillers or are constantly talking about how much they want fillers. Definitely a shock to my system because I've never even thought of getting fillers or any cosmetic surgery done. I have naturally big lips due to genetics so fellow girls would always compliment my lips but almost all of them assumed I had fillers. It's crazy to think how fillers are so normalised here because the first thing girls think when they see big lips is "she had fillers" and not "she has naturally big lips". Natural features have left the chat entirely. It's warped!

[@Shirumoon]

@@monjels44 People at uni are so young still 😭😭 damn. In theory I am pro plastic surgery and fillers but that doesn't mean everybody should have them, wtf? Also realizing I sound super egocentric saying this but I really don't feel like competing against women that all have work done. Pretty privilege is a thing and if "had stuff done" is the new normal + beautiful, that means I'm at a disadvantage in dating, job interviews, how people generally treat me etc.

[@drewberriesandcream]

I went to a school for aesthetics and that lasted SIX MONTHS. we actually learned the science of skin and it was a very in depth course.

[@Angel4Sale]

I heard someone bring up the absolute brutal lighting they used in the promo photos, too. It's interesting because I saw an "Instagram model" in real life at the bar not too long ago, and she looked INSAAAANE. Like in a GOOD way. Like the lips were plump, the skin was glowing. She looked like superhuman level hot. But I'm sure if I saw her in daylight head-on (where we would ALL look bad, I'm sure), you would really see the holes in the work she had done. Like the lumps, the bumps, the creases. It's honestly just natural, and all of this work is used to fit a specific look for specific scenarios that suit a specific lifestyle.

[@finallyforfeited]

Lighting and posing is definitely a big part, but I'm sure the editing and facetune is different too

[@gabby222themoon]

Hot is subjective too

[@hihiglug]

gonna try going to a bar to see if it will make me at least 15% more attractive

[@Angel4Sale]

@@hihiglug w that dark lighting girl? You got it x

[@kokokrunchification]

@@gabby222themoon

[@tragicduckling]

people forget all plastic surgery is SURGERY, plastic surgery as a phrase is viewed in such a girlypop way but surgery on it’s own is a very serious thing to do

[@91pinklipstick]

And for what? Mostly male valdiaiton

[@marialauraverso]

you are totally right about the courses. We are having the same problem in brazil. If i'm not mistaken brazil is the 2nd largest market for plastic surgery in the world. There was a recent shocking case of a guy who passed way after having a FENOL FACE PEEL done by an INFLUENCER who had a "course" that lasted 12 hours and she only got the "certificate" after the guy passed away. Only doctors can buy fenol so how did she even get it??? insane.

[@carolitoffana]

Tava vendo a Karen ontem, a gata não ta nem piscando mais quase e falando que precisa de botox, que até a medica falou que o corpo ja acostumou e ela teimando....tipo gente?????? PAREM de tirar selfie o tempo todo, ficam se olhando em camera de celular e achando defeito onde NAO TEM, eu fico passada

[@finallyforfeited]

Something similar is happening with "veneer techs" in the us

[@ph32921]

@marialauraverso She got it from Shopee, not even joking

[@marialauraverso]

@@carolitoffana nossa sim. eu lembro que quando eu era adolescente eu chorava no banho pq eu parecia com a flávia pavanelli e outras blogueiras da época. hoje a flávia ta irreconhecível infelizmente. e eu fico muito feliz de nunca ter mexido na cara. tenho pavor .

[@marialauraverso]

@@ph32921 INACREDITÁVEL MANO pelo AMOR DE DEUS

[@margaesperanza]

I used to work for brand events that invites a lot of beauty influencers and I can never get over how “jarring” it is to see them in person. Most had work done that translates well on social media, but has an uncanny valley vibe in person.

[@nonameface90]

THIS x1000000. I still remember pre-pandemic encounter with a pharmacist while grabbing something from pharmacy. She had her face done, making her looking like a cat with puffed out lips and...I avoided eye contact like crazy. Botox/needle baddies truly seems to have filler/botox derealisation - because it NEVER looks as good in real life as it looks with sns fine tuning (which is so ironic, looking that the very things are made to make you look like that filtered celebs/influencers...).

[@manzanitakatznellenbogen2870]

I worked with the one dubbed "the human Ken Doll" a few years back and it opened my eyes to why someone would get cosmetic surgery. He did benefit from a lifestyle that some would completely envy, but I always realised that the minute he let the look slide, it'd all be over

[@justacoginthefkery]

I think the issue is ppl don't realize that what ppl see in photos are a different breed of imagery & illusion that doesn't translate well to real life. Like heavy makeup with 5 layers, all the contour, highlights, giant lashes, etc looks insane in person because it's not intended for everyday. It was meant for camera use to combat the flattening/ washout effect that lenses create. Same with fillers. It doesn't look as swollen on camera because of the flattening effect, but looks wild irl. Poses... ppl elongate their bodies, flex, lean, twist or hold their bodies certain ways to give the illusion of more tone or curves for the camera. Do that in public & everyone would be wondering "are they having a medical emergency or... what is happening here?" Ppl have been blending 2 different worlds that don't belong together.

[@sarahbrown6493]

The lack of regulation around fillers in the UK is wild to me. Fillers are not a ‘no risk procedure’ and we don’t really know what the long term effects of having them in your face will be. There’s increasing evidence that dermal fillers mess up the lymphatic system in your face so your body can no longer drain fluids correctly. This is also why the post op lymphatic drainage industry has been getting more and more successful. There’s also risks when injecting around someone’s nose, cheek, and eye area. There are very important blood vessels that supply your nose tissue with blood that run through your cheeks. If you have a technician who doesn’t know EXACTLY what they’re doing when injecting filler in those areas the risk that they will accidentally block one of those blood vessels is very real. In a worse case scenario if that filler isn’t desolved very quickly the blood supply to your nose tissue will be cut off and the tissue will become necrotic. Meaning it will die. Your nose will literally turn black and rot. The less training a tech has the more likely they are to make a mistake.

[@sophspice32]

thank you! i feel like there should be much more talk about the harm fillers can do to our health❗

[@fingojones6755]

Add to this, the internal anatomy of everyone's face is different. So while there's industry guidelines, even an experienced technician has no real way of knowing exactly what they're injecting into/on top of bc the pt's anatomy is different from the model. It's always a gamble.

[@mewnboy]

Jordan is back talking abt beauty standards and their ramifications under our current phase of capitalism????? HELL yeah

[@syddlinden8966]

All of this makes me so so happy i went psychotically low maintenance in my 20s. I did it to reduce waste and reduce mental stress and it's saved me from even looking twice at all these trends.

[@annabelh]

No hate to anyone who has done it but as someone with a dimple in her chin it almost hurts me when I hear people say they got it filled

[@mrmaniac3]

It's saddening to see people squash their unique features like that, and all the pressure around that compels them to do so, just to end up looking like the same mass produced celebrity archetype. I don't think it's a worthless field of work but it brings so much harm under the guise of "fixing" someone. You're beautiful, and that chin dimple is one little important part of the authentic picture. My girlfriend has struggled with seeing her own beauty, not without sometimes knowing for herself that she is beautiful. I need to tell her that she is more often too. With and without makeup, whenever I see her face it brings me joy to see her.

[@rubywednesdays]

Literally it’s the cutest thing ever

[@sofia-om7sp]

I have lost volume over time in my chin and it has become more flat, from some angles and depending on the lightening you can also see the little line. I have lipfillers but they look really natural and most people cannot tell and I figured that if I would’ve gotten my chin done I would get the "instagram face". I lurk on those Instagram before and after pictures and most of the time I can say that the "untouched" before pictures are way more refreshing. I will also not get my lips filled anymore as I’m happy with the rest that remained in my lips for 2 years now. And sometimes the chins look so unproportionate to the jaw and once your face moves you can tell it’s not good-looking. We forget that our faces move and filler does not compliment that.

[@Man-ej6uv]

i have a tooth gap and that's how i feel when people get theirs removed. an angel loses its wings whenever either happen...

[@nadjiao1832]

I can’t wait to fill mine in although it’s cute on other people

[@gaj30]

i think people mean they look old for their age, not just generally old. if they were all in their forties then they would probably look great for their age. nothing is wrong with being any age but i feel like people talk about it like this bc more and more people are realizing it’s just terrible what’s happening

[@mwuahm]

that’s what i was gonna say. like they look old relative to their age and it’s ironic considering the point of plastic surgery and fillers is to do the opposite

[@ishathakor]

yeah if they were actually in their 40s theyd look great but theyre in their 20s

[@ratgurl1]

y’all… saying they “would look great for their age” is part of the problem. saying people without wrinkles or a certain nose look “great” compared to others who aged naturally is messed up. please grow up and get used to normal faces instead of glorifying filler and botox

[@anniee5487]

i think the appearance of obvious plastic surgery is associated with middle age, cus that used to be the time when people would take drastic action when they were panicking about getting older. and all plastic surgery all looks kind of same-y, since theyre all getting the same procedures, theyre all buying the same face and that face is associated with women in their 40s and 50s.

[@gaj30]

@@ratgurl1 you can also have wrinkles and everything and still look great for your age. you’ve never seen anyone and thought that? be fr

[@maleehadamda6814]

Jordan, literally every video you make gives me so much material for my socio project. The way you explain stuff is amazing. Thank you so much for your hard work and efforts into these commentary videos!!! You got me into the more social commentary space of youtube and I cannot thank you enough for it.

[@ThereAre4Lights]

I can't reiterate enough how refreshing it is to watch your essays and feel informed and like I'm being presented with insightful commentary, but ALSO, compassionate intention behind the thesis/point of the essay. It is absolutely not that common unfortunately, I find some essayists and article writers who comment on pop culture, current media, current events, to almost come at it with this weirdly cold intention to pick things apart for intellect's sake. The point of commentary essays imo *is* people, and our wellbeing, to look at things critically yes, and dissecting the causes of current issues, education, but I just think it's so important to be compassionate to people as you do it! I find people so harsh especially to women and not ever questioning *themselves* while they're at it. It's a layer that your stuff always thinks of and considers that is just so much deeper than most and I so appreciate it!!! For every one or two people actually thinking and caring about women with "too much" filler or just lots of cosmetic procedures and considering for 2 seconds why people get this work done, there are thousands absolutely ripping them apart like they've all gotten together to plot the downfall of humanity or something. Love your videos/essays, SO much!!❤

[@dani-888]

i agree!!

[@gabby222themoon]

Great points!!

[@kyliejenner150]

“this is something vought would release” 💀 killed me bc you couldnt be more on point

[@bexiexz]

VOUGHT gotta love the boys

[@carolitoffana]

You know what SAVED me from getting botox?? I met in person a girl that was on AYTO Brasil and she told me she regretted so much starting early botox right after she left the show (24yo) because the more you put on the more you need, for ex: you "freeze" de forehead and them the eyebrows starts to drip, then you have to botox de brows...and it goes, she said it never looks even and she does look older (NOT OLD, just older than her age) so I decided to wait until I'm actually older.

[@ashleyrose4975]

As a young left-leaning woman I have held a controversial opinion about plastic surgery for several years now. I don't share it because it is nuanced and can be misconstrued. I am strongly against plastic surgery unless medically necessary and/or for transgender individuals. I disagree with the premise of "who am I to judge?" I believe it is okay to judge other people's decisions if that judgment is productive, for debate, and if it's the right time and place. I think that when we spread a no-judgment ideology we create a society of secrecy, yes men circles, and shit conversation. Western society (can't speak to others) seems to operate in black and white morality: all good or all bad: heaven or hell. This is rich coming from me because I am autistic. In this way, I think that we view the concept of judgment as all bad, which I think has seriously impacted the debate and decision-making skills of the millennial and Gen Z generations. All of this to say: it's my opinion that the pro-aesthetic plastic surgery and the neutral aesthetic plastic surgery culture we are in (not sure if we really created it) is part of the girlboss white sexual liberation feminism that seems to center dehumanization of men and women as a whole more than it does the humanization of women. I started wanting plastic surgery when I was 14, I wanted a brow bone reduction, nose job, and lip filler. I thought that people would love me if I was prettier, that I would fall in love if I was prettier. I decided to never get it as I got older because I realized I could change my clothes and hair and that I wanted my kids to not think they were ugly if they ended up with my native nose. I didn't want to erase my own ethnic features as a mixed-race person and turn my back on my ancestors. Then I started to think that getting anything done, even filler, was conceding to the beauty standard too much. I hope for a time when no woman wants to get aesthetic plastic surgery, when appearance holds less weight when it comes to our worth.

[@ratgurl1]

I feel this completely. Most people are aiming for trendy and/or euro-centric beauty standards rather than normalizing features that haven’t been hyped up. It’s counterintuitive and does more damage to young women to be “cosmetic-surgery neutral” than “appearance-neutral.” Giving more money to plastic surgeons and normalizing altering your appearance so that young people feel wrong if they’re not matching isn’t progress, it’s just a step towards the “Uglies” dystopia

[@emilyb898]

completely agree! nobody makes the decision to get non medical plastic surgery in a vacuum; it is always out of insecurity. when we advocate for abolishing the beauty industry, and for a world where we don’t hold ourselves to the beauty standard, i think we advocate for a world WITHOUT aesthetic plastic surgery

[@scooterbooter]

I am also autistic hehe and agree wholeheartedly with everything you said here!

[@MsLunachu]

This is a take I agree with, but I would argue that adhering to conventional beauty standards is desirable to many women because of the tangible, social mobility and protection it provides. I believe the solution lies in men/capitalists upending the systems that subjugate women to these standards and influence their quality of life.

[@scooterbooter]

@@MsLunachu oh yes 1000%!!

[@ashk7244]

The last part of your video about how the double bind of beauty reminds me of that terrible One Direction lyric: "You don't know you're beautiful, that's what makes you beautiful."

[@cautionofsommer]

ALSO stress ages you, so STOP hyperfixating on stuff that is literally necessary for the human experience, accept that you WILL age, and enjoy your fcking life!

[@kunpunko]

“hyper fixating” im gonna kms bruh

[@cautionofsommer]

@@kunpunko wrong choice of word, so sorry

[@sleepyghostgirl]

@@kunpunko what maybe I'm dumb but what's wrong with using this word?

[@Angel2others]

@@sleepyghostgirlabsolutely nothing. Words are words and nothing really matters

[@strabababerry]

@@sleepyghostgirl hyperfixations are a symptom of mental health conditions like autism and ADHD - there can be very real harms to having some hyperfixations, to the point of neglecting one's needs (tho it is not always negative to have them). It's become colloquialized and used for exaggeration, much like how ppl have used saying "I'm so OCD," when they just like having their pens in color order. Sort of trivializing a real struggle for ppl

[@camillefaith2005]

I'm a simple girl. If Jordan uploads I click!

[@kindredkowski]

Same! 😍

[@grape123]

I can’t wait to grow old and be one of those cool quirky grandmas with a kale garden personally. The concept of growing older also reminds me of becoming more stable and learning from my youth.

[@peach_levell]

I always think about how much of a blessing it is to age. Too many people are gone way too young who will never get to these milestones that we cower in fear over. If it is too much for you to look in the mirror and find beauty at least look down and thank your body for bringing you to this present moment. It does so much for you everyday and deserves love. YOU deserve love.

[@annapruitt5546]

This is such a lovely comment and I completely agree. It is a blessing to age.

[@mariiiuuuyyy]

One thing i think regularly when people say kylie jenner perpetuates beauty standards is that she perpetuated them less than she succumbed to them. Coming from a family (and being the youngest) of women that were renowned for being unattainably beautiful was probably an extreme amount of pressure for her. Watching kim, her sisters and mother, all people young siblings admire have endless surgeries to try and chase societal beauty standards would have messed with her head and her own perception of beauty, leading to her being incredibly insecure about having small lips etc from a very young age. Kylie is the victim of her older female family members constantly speaking and being spoken about regarding their appearance

[@finallyforfeited]

I won't blame her for getting filler super young, Kylie was definitely following her family's standards. But she's a grown woman with an Internet connection and a whole child. She has to know better by now.

[@christieomojo]

I completely agree. She saw that she wasn't quite fitting the beauty blueprint and took drastic action to correct that.I think it's horrifying she had so many procedurees at such a young age, but then look at how society responded. Whether people want to admit it or not Kylie's popularity grew after she changed her look, then she got a cool rapper boyfriend, had kids, launched a successful makeup business. It perpetuates the idea the society rewards women who look a certain way and take ownership of their appearance. If you don't look a certain way, you are just not trying hard enough and you deserve whatever negative thing comes your way. Beauty is a minefield for women!

[@FrenchFriedPotato]

I very much agree! Let's not make the mistake of blaming yet another woman for the pressures society puts on all of us.

[@no.6377]

And even her older sisters aren't completely at fault. Kim's 'before' photos are sometimes ( by a certain demographic -__-) compared to Jafar. Poor Kylie watched her one of her sisters (Kourtney I think) get mercilessly bullied by the world for looking slightly different from her older sisters and being called "the Ugly sister", then got to experience the bullying first hand as a young teen with people calling her ugly all over the internet. I find some of us are missing the bigger point by trying to blame Kylie of all people, when the instagram face was already a standard by the time she popped up with her surgical 'glow up'

[@yoursalwaysliyah]

it doesn’t help that she was constantly made fun of for her looks and body. i remember the way the public treated her. imagine being a teen and everyone seeing your awkward phase. she was insecure and had easy access to the solution

[@ta4770]

Love your vids! Another issue with filler (esp given by people from a non-medical background) is the risk of nerve palsy. The face has many nerves running through it, and placing the needle incorrectly means there's a chance of paralysing parts of the face. There's also risk of blood clots, air embolism and infection. Quite concerning that these courses can be taken in 1 day, with no medical training! Also, small corrections from a med student perspective- Doctors don't swear by the Hippocratic oath. It's a common misconception. Lots has change since Hippocrates' time, so it's no longer required. Secondly- endorphins are 'endogenous morphine'. These are basically 'internal painkillers' released after exercise, orgasm and muscle pain. They stop pain (which can cause relief/relaxation) as opposed to inherently creating happy feelings. Very pedantic! But just in case you're interested x Keep up the great work :)

[@scoutofthewoods]

your conversation about filler dysmorphia was sooo good, it's just like getting used to makeup or getting used to filters, but there's a medical issue involved which makes the obsession not just mentally but physically dangerous!!

[@drayamaria]

This is a topic I’ve been talking about so much recently. Botox, fillers and any dermal injectables should only be administered by registered professionals!!! Consultants train for years to administer medical Botox but anyone can do A DAY course and inject anyone 🤯🤯🤯 regulations, restrictions and responsibility!!!!

[@Princesa0510]

As an US Aesthetician, it is INSANE that people are allowed and will allow people to do injectables after ONE SINGLE DAY of studies?! For reference, I live in a two tiered state so I went through basic and master esthetics programs for a total of 1200 hours which took about 1 1/2 years to complete and no I cannot do injectables (nor would I want to). Yes, we learn about facial anatomy but no where near the level of experience as a physician, which is the only professional I would let near me with injectables. Mind you, required hours vary state to state and some states don’t even have master esthetics (these are states I would never get anything other than a basic facial in like Florida which is only 220 hours) 1200 hrs is the second highest required hours for Aestheticians in the US, and the only state that requires more is Texas and they are the ONLY state in the US where Aestheticians can perform injectables (bc of course, it’s Texas). Which I would never allow because they only require 1500 hours. The world is greedy and the people who can inject foreign materials into another person after one day of studies is a person I never want to meet and my heart goes out to all the women in the UK who have fell victim to the predatory side of the beauty industry. Please know that there are many people in this industry that just want to treat real conditions and concerns and make people feel confident and not just people who prey on others insecurities for a quick buck. I’ve been blessed to work alongside many of great plastic surgeons, derms, and nurse practitioners AND NONE OF THEM ARE ONLINE SHAMING WOMEN FOR POOR COSMETIC WORK never go to a provider like that. Rant over🩵

[@Millettzz]

god that really puts it into perspective!!

[@NoNameNomad....]

I'm not even 10 minutes in, but I already appreciate the way you're talking about this topic. Seeing these women being mocked online makes me upset and worry for their mental health. There's already been multiple sui(ides from Love Island contestants, I can't imagine how these poor women will feel knowing their appearance is being mocked by all online. Yes, it is an important discussion to have, especially if it prevents young girls getting procedures done. But, it's a conversation we should have with empathy not mockery at others expense ❤ I'm shocked that the course is only 1 day! My sister is a nurse practitioner (the highest level of nurse there is) she also has a private clinic where she administers botox, fillers and other things like facial peels. She has been doing this for about 15 years and even she won't put filler in the under eyes or nose, as there's a huge risk for complications. I'm in my 30s and in only now considering getting botox. Cleanser, moisturiser, peptides and SPF factor 50 have worked perfectly fine for me so far (and I'm an ex smoker) yes, genetics play a part. But a good skincare routine and most importantly sunscreen will do wonders. I don't even use expensive stuff, Superdrugs own brand and Cera Ve work great. Please go to a nurse/professional, not someone who took a 1 day course. Please stay safe ❤

[@paballo3562]

It cannot be stressed enough that it's important to be around regular people with regular jobs and attainable (or even unattainable but works regularly) success because all this is in service of basically becoming a millionaire/billionaire overnight

[@avo8479]

As a Love Island UK fan, the USA version this year is phenomenal! Reminds me of season 8 UK, but better, so much drama, the female friendships are lovely, and the final couples truly feel genuine. I can't believe I cried watching the final. LI USA is definitely worth the watch!

[@roxy_muso]

It's wild how the normalisation of it affects our perceptions of how we look. I've never had any cosmetic procedures done, and I have average sized lips, which I've thankfully always been happy with, but a few years ago I genuinely found myself thinking "wait, are my lips naturally thinner than I thought?" - then realised, it's because lip filler has become sooooo widespread. It's not me that's changed, it's everything else around me. Weird. also i LOVE it when you go hard roasting the plastic surgeons/aestheticians haha

[@naomivought9317]

Someone the other day on instagram said I had paper thin lips. I was like okay..? I like them, thanks tho 😂

[@neonradius]

I always struggle with my personal stance on plastic surgery, because I’m very pro bodily autonomy. Tattoos, piercings, gender affirming care, all of those are incredibly important. But every trans person has to jump through dozens of hoops and disclaimers and psychological evaluations before gender affirming surgery, while people are able to get plastic surgery and veneers without being aware of the risks (in her video on veneers, Swell Entertainment says her friend didn’t even know they shave your teeth down before getting them, which is absolutely ridiculous considering it’s permanent and you have to keep replacing them). And if everyone is getting the exact same surgeries, it pressures other people into getting surgeries and results in more insecurities. I had a family friend who got implants in her twenties, doing lots of research and finding a good doctor, and was incredibly happy with the results, and never got another plastic surgery again. On the other hand, I know multiple people who stress out over affording repeated surgeries and sign up for risky surgeries without being properly informed. So I think at least part of the difference is having an end point in mind, if that makes sense? If you have a specific goal in mind, if you have an end point, if you do your research and take time to consider it, then it’s a lot healthier than people who are endlessly chasing a “look” or that endorphin rush you talk about in this video. My family friend wasn’t trying to look like someone else, she was trying to look like herself, just with bigger boobs. But trying to look like a celebrity or model will never result in an end point of satisfaction because the celebrities not only have more money, but they have makeup artists and stylists and a ridiculous amount of photoshop.

[@imo9193]

I agree that the normalisation of fillers/surgery is contributing to the pressure we all feel to conform to the beauty standard. I think we can still believe that people have a fundamental right to alter their bodies as they please, but we are still entitled to disagree with their choice (not referring to gender affirming surgery here lol)

[@raenelia]

When I was in high school we had a subject in which we discussed beauty standards and "the makeable body". As part of this class we would watch interviews of people who were getting plastic surgery/ fillers and their reasons why. After that we would then watch the surgery which always felt kind of odd, since we were all like 14/15 years old so we didn't take it very serious. We wouldn't only talk about surgeries that went well, we also discussed the dangers of it through cases in which it went terribly wrong. It wasn't until the past few years that I realized how important those conversations were. It has helped me a lot with my confidence and it has really shown me that you don't have to live up to those unrealistic and artificial beauty standards that society puts on us. I feel like plastic surgery has been so normalized now that I fear a lot of people who get it done, don't really think about the consequences and potential dangers that it could bring. I honestly hope these kind of topics would get discussed more openly, especially when you're young. It doesn't only educate people but it can also create a more open and respectful outlook on beauty and peoples personal choices when it comes to their own bodies. Even when you might not like plastic surgery or fillers it doesn't mean you can just attack someone and try to insult someone by calling them " old" just because you don't like the way they look. Especially as women I feel like our bodies are often treated like some kind of blank canvas, which should always be flexible to move along with "trends" when in reality even when you fit the standard, it's still not "good enough". So just do your own thing, make your own decisions and let's stop being so harsh on ourselves and each other, because we're all beautiful the way we are! 🤍🤍🤍

[@Joannefibracs9994]

When I tell people I’m on my early thirties they say “what?? But you look so young!” WHAT 32 IS YOUNG

[@baddielo2575]

You’re so smart. I love how you speak from knowledge, and empathy.

[@Cassia_kamm]

As someone who has never gotten botox or filler, I can say that I am glad to see it on the way out in its popularity. It has been frustrating to watch as everybody I know gets toxins injected into their face, into their lips, and acts as though it's normal. It's also frustrating to watch people deny that they've had anything done. I've never understood why anybody watches the kardashians. They seem like horrible people, and I certainly don't understand why anybody would try to emulate them. Fortunately, the tide seemes to be turning, and that family and their beauty standards are going away. I'll admit that I take a tiny bit of pleasure in watching this aesthetic crash and burn.

[@duchessedeberne3909]

Amen. And since 2017 every girl over here lookes like her. Haircut, makeup, athleisure… time to say bye to this horrible style!

[@KTL996]

I wanted a nose job from the age of 13 because I saw online upturned button noses, I have a Greek nose and was always insecure but my mum said you will regret it and your face is beautiful, but I’d ignore her but now I’m 27 my brain is fully developed I never had the surgery and I’m thankful I’ve stopped dying my hair and embracing my natural self. I think there should be a 25+ on cosmetic procedures just wait till your older and if you’re still insecure then make the change cause the perfect face and body changes with the times in 2000s being extremely changed to 2010s curves came in

[@potatolover5436]

Your nose is so nice and it suits your face!

[@KTL996]

@@potatolover5436 thank you so much !!

[@mxgitsxne7335]

your nose is so gorgeous, I've always loved Greek noses ❤

[@apathybronson]

The 'at 25 your brain is done developing' stat is from a single, flawed study. The brain never stops developing. And the human brain has way too much plasticity as to put an age to any state of said development.

[@maypoole5854]

I was dying over your description of old people - they’re all so petite 😭

[@sioframay]

The problem to me is not that it "ages" them but that they start to give the uncanny valley vibe.

[@katie-allen]

Congrats on your skill share class! That's so exciting!

[@ChristinaDiStefanoStudio]

Omg you are so right about the plastic surgeons. Disgraceful and they should not be influencing people nor criticizing women who use the procedures they practice!

[@mewnboy]

the lawyer wig edit was so funny wtf

[@buwiiie]

never let anyone equate age with beauty. beauty is a broad, fickle, and amorphous thing that can be applied to anything!! regardless of age!! just know that you deserve the upmost care and comfort, and that you (the reader of this comment) are beautiful, even if you don’t think so. it takes SO SO much to maintain being something as complicated as a human. i mean 😭😭 we’re extensions of the universe that can recognize itself. why condemn yourself as ugly when you’re something so incredibly complex and rare? i don’t get it 😔

[@Millettzz]

beautiful comment✨

[@Walkthewalkkk]

Your best video yet! Soo many good takes about the pitfalls of beauty standards and how they continue to harm women and young girls.

[@annedeputter8020]

thank you so much for making this - i've felt really weird about all the commentary around the love island girls (and i've said some mean stuff myself) but i think you really hit the nail on the head! i knew you would do a great job with this topic x

[@leannewalker1422]

I’m 45 and I don’t feel “old” but yess, I’m getting a few white hairs and I don’t wear makeup, but I love skincare. I use The Ordinary and Glow Recipe.

[@sarahwatts7152]

I do wonder if the lighting on the photo shoot was done badly on purpose in order to get a lot of attention to the show - just like the Kardashians do something insane before a show or product drops

[@aleksaandrra]

I noticed exactly the same thing. The lighting looks so horrendous it must be on purpose.

[@jessicarobledo5552]

I think the lightning might have been done to accentuate muscle tone, but it harshens the face as a result. The lightning ends up being kinder to male contestants but less forgiving on the women.

[@LuciferIscariot]

This is probably the best of your videos I've seen in awhile it's so concise and so fast. It takes your usual speed but it tells so much more.

[@sofiarestaino6537]

I'm so happy i'm from a third world country. We don't have to worry about fillers, we don't even have money lmao.

[@nafeeyk3340]

right 😭 like what in the first world problems…. i feel the same about fast fashion too like how are yall affording hauls every other day??? i haven’t bought brand new clothes in three years 💀

[@paulapaprocka1585]

@@nafeeyk3340can I maybe ask y’all what countries are u each from? If that’s okay ofc I’m just interested now 😄

[@prettystupid3509]

Literally the only time im happy im poor. Same for every other consumerism trend

[@ciitadel2518]

one of the things I appreciate most when you talk about beauty trends like this is how open you are about your own experiences with things like botox and filler. you're one of the few video essayists I've seen who discusses things in this beauty/pop culture trend category that I've seen openly discuss the fact that you've had work done yourself and I think it adds a lot to the perspective you bring. we as an audience can tell you really hold a lot of empathy for these women caught in the 'double bind of beauty' as you brought up and it really means a lot coming from someone who has been in those shoes before.

[@HypnosisJAnuradhaASMR]

I really appreciate your respectful yet authentic way of speaking on these topics! This is my first time finding your channel and I’m really looking forward to checking out more of your video essays 🤗

[@bioanim667]

I think this is one of the best videos i have seen about womens image and beauty standards being messed up, it's truly so sad that the pressure gets worse and worse and reach younger audiences every generation. I really hope there is a way to teach young girls to embrace who they are, because the inside will stay the same but the outside will change and that's okay! part of the beauty of life!

[@littlefishiesinthese]

Jordan you never miss with these video essays, THANK YOU!

[@jasmyneperryman9629]

I really love your voice I find it very relaxing love playing your video essays in the background while getting things done at home...also love the red hair it makes your pretty blue eyes pop

[@cynthiasilva7723]

A lot of these people complain the women look "old" but they just mean the contestants don't look like teenagers. They just want to watch teenagers or teenage-looking women in dating shows.

[@carawatchesyoutube]

Very interesting point about the disney villans. I had never really thought about how most if not all female villans are motivated by the pursuit of beauty. Yet another internalised narrative women have to deal with. It reminds me a lot of the idea of the 'cool girl' who is effortlessless beautiful. Not only must women be beautiful to be valued, we have to do it without trying and are shamed if we do. WE CANNOT WIN! (also I dont understand how so much hate was on the Love Island girls this season for submitting to beauty standards when Ronnie was there using hair fibres and still being slimy)

[@EliškaRatajová]

I think a big problem of the whole anti-ageing xxx is that people focus SO MUCH on the outer part of ageing and not inner. The best way to slow down the ageing process is to live a healthy happy life, be outside etc., which will slow down both outer and inner ageing (mental sanity,..). AGEING IS NOT JUST LOOKS!! 😃

[@miriamlevenson9430]

she’s back!

[@alyzu4755]

I'm turning 55 next week. I look my age. And I'm totally OK with it. Because as we get older we sometimes start caring less about appearance and what other people think. (Also, full disclosure: Im a wuss, and the idea of someone sticking needles in my face or cutting me open for anything less than life-saving surgery makes me want to pass out. 😊)

[@mystic_mimi21]

I think the ‘old’ appearance to them is they have deep (edit nasolabial folds) marionette line/ smile lines from the nostrils to the mouth which indicates a loss of collagen volume. In part their cheek filler/ implants, under eye filler makes this more apparent. Also yes their homogeneous copy and paste look doesn’t help. I’m 23 and cannot tell people’s ages anymore I see 16, 26, 36 year olds all have the same fashion inspiration, makeup inspo, same treatments that they all look the same, same hair, same beige track suits and uggs.

[@likanihoshi]

I recently saw a girl at the open mic in a bar, I COULDN'T identify her age at all! She was small as a 12 years old, but dressed as a 20 years old, with revealing clothes and lots of makeup, and I'm not sure about the face but I guess she had some fillers. She looked like a Gen Z ideal, "forever 18" kind of girl. It was honestly concerning.

[@bandanarathore]

When you said old ladies: someone who is sweet and showed the golden girls video 😂😂 Was waiting for your video on this topic. I really like your analysis it always has something extra than just a general commentary on topics.

[@mercedes4202]

your conclusion is everything i want to say and needed to hear. thank you for making this video and for being you! on who is really profiting-- the surgeons certainly are, and i'd like to highlight other people who make themselves less visible: the executive boards of companies who make the botox and filler itself. these companies have a choice to restrict who can buy their product-- it's not just on government. these companies allow their product to be bought and administrated by whoever, because it makes their executive board and shareholders more profit than trying to eliminate harm associated with the product whose output they maintain. also the magazine editors, TV producers, snapchat story curators, tiktok filter creators, etc, etc. need to be held responsible fr

[@lindseystein9676]

I think a lot of the issue is that these doctors are too concerned with getting as much money from a patient as possible and upsell far too much. Women are getting too much done often because the doctors are making them feel like they need it. There’s plenty of plastic surgery and other procedures that are subtle and look great. Those doctors clearly aren’t trying to milk as much profit out of people as possible.

[@Motley14]

When you talked about having filler so it makes you able to spot it easier it reminded me that I'm a photographer, so I feel like I can spot photoshop so easily as well -- like most beauty ads or pictures celebrities post are photoshopped -- sure the facetune, cartoonishly-softened filters are akin to the obvious bad filler that a lot of people notice -- but just like the undetectable filler there is some phenomenal sneaky photo editing out there. And if we're looking at highly edited celebrity pictures like 90% of the time we're trained to think that's just how they look naturally when that's absolutely not true :(

[@lyssam100]

I liked hearing your opinion on this specifically because I'm Australian and injectables (and the plastic surgery industry in general) are WAY more regulated here. The casual way you talk about having had multiple rounds of filler and botox is comparatively bonkers to me, but it seems like it's legitimately just that common in the UK.

[@SpookyStag2015]

the part about how you age along with the procedures changing over time stuck with me. im a trans guy, pre-everything, and im pretty dysphoric about my face. it's super round and my features are feminine. i want to do something about it, but without HRT, the only real option is using makeup to masculinize the face. some guys do that and it works great for them, but i couldnt even begin to try because what if the fake face i put on is better than the real one i'll eventually have on T? i feel like it would only set me up for disappointment, and that's how i feel about a lot of these cosmetic procedures too.

[@jellybiome]

JORDAN UPLOAD DAY ITS A GREAT DAY

[@belorama8]

I've been watching for a while, In general, I love video essays and add a bunch to a playlist when I need long form videos and that's how I found you. But this one really slaps and I realized I hadn't subscribed yet. ✅

[@Valathia]

That was a great point about making fun of people when they try too hard, i never thought about it that way, especially in relation to woman who are aiming to look beautiful. Great perspective and framing all around !

[@gemanita99]

Love Island USA is wild this year! Finally living up to the UK seasons

[@sofiahagman3403]

Loved this video essay! I swear I could listen to you talk for hoursss. I really appreciate all the research and work you put into these videos!

[@starsprout1337]

so much of this i agree with, you hit the nail on the head! i do disagree mildly with banning all plastic surgeons from social media, only because there is a minority of them who are genuinely trying to educate people about the risks, long-term effects and general helpful info on plastic surgery, but i do agree that the ones making this horrific kind of content should not be using their platform in that way edit: ONE DAY FOR THAT COURSE??? praying for the filler girlies

[@princesstelimena2887]

LOVED THIS!! I always enjoy watching your videos, but this one was SO GOOD. I also hate how people on the internet think old is the worse possible insult. I hope someday the societal norm won’t be demonizing old people and doing everything you can to prevent looking old Also COMPLETELY agree that plastic surgeons should be banned from social media. They pretty much use their platforms as a way to tear down women and normalize talking about women’s bodies like it’s their business

[@isaacleguin2171]

At 13:55 it almost sounds like she says, "I was nineteen when I did the course, in 1920." Jordan Theresa exposed as a vampire?