The all-or-nothing mindset

[@charthers8903]

You won’t find any more motivated being on the planet for success, than an exceptionally smart guy who’s been rejected all through his youth and early 20’s - these guys run on atomic energy

[@SameLif3]

Thing is that women would then tend to them after his 30s where he’ll have a massive selection then, at least for the average looking dude I’m guessing.

[@hachiroku8677]

Early 20s? I know awesome guys being reject well beyond their 30s.

[@NikolaCebic]

Let‘s be real, this is wishful thinking. The time is not later, it is NOW. So better play all cards right now, because in ten years it‘s gonna be „right now“ as well.

[@JordiMuntada]

What if, after all this rejection, that guy becomes very attractive and he realizes it after a few years of relationship? and putting love aside, he feels desired by women after 30s? Dilemma? Polygyny?

[@sleeper9638]

Motivation doesn't mean anything. There isn't much point in continuing on after your teens and twenties, you're not going to care at that point and should have already moved on. You can't outwork a failed system

[@eeL_rM]

If we update family law to match modern society, most of the problems with marriage would be solved: 1. Mandatory paternity testing at birth. With the results, the man makes an informed decision to sign the birth certificate. 2. End lifelong alimony. Alimony should give her enough time to "get back on her feet", not pay her for life. 3. Joint child custody as the default arrangement until it is proven that a parent is unfit. 4. End excessive child support payments. A father should not be destitute as a result of caring for his children. 5. End child support for non-biological children. Stop forcing "father-like" men (stepfathers, exboyfriends, etc.) to pay child support. 6. End no-fault divorce. The party in breach of the marriage contract should be held accountable. If we do not punish bad behavior, we encourage more bad behavior. Dr. T, I usually agree with you but there is no need to try to invent some new hybrid situationship that is doomed to fail.

[@vedinthorn]

Just make divorce illegal for any reason other than assault, adultery, or abuse confirmed by a counselor or multiple witnesses. Let anyone leave if they want, but the marriage remains intact so that no one can take property or children in any case other than divorce. Simple as

[@Khan-rz8qi]

I whole heartedly agree. I believe the part many men are missing is also the fact that these laws are set up this way SPECIFICALLY to give women that sense of “security” they seek in such an arrangement. Society will inherently always have these protections in place in order to encourage women to follow social order. You can’t shame/manipulate women into taking on a “bad deal” either, not nearly to the same extent society can manipulate men into taking on these deals under the disguise of being “noble” and a “real man”. What men need to understand is we can’t have it both ways, we either stay unmarried and never let the system control us, or we give in order to fulfill our societal “duties”. Expecting marital laws to become “equal” where they benefit both men and women is delusional and will never happen. “Equalizing” these laws would mean women losing their “security” factor all together.

[@elmojackson6621]

👏

[@markusaurelius1739]

Amen.

[@kriispyskinz]

@@Khan-rz8qi ok well my "security" is not getting married in a feminized soyciety. There is no fault divorce and you can be thrown in jail for adultry in the philipinnes so no not everywhere is ran by narcassistic misandrists. They still believe in morals and values without the government involved so no thanks to wealth transfers off the backs of men

[@JeffersonRah]

My parents just had their 52 years of marriage. Both born in the 50s. They're happily married still with 9 children and a lot of grandchildren. It saddens me that people nowadays prefer what we have today. Or are lost

[@XristosArgyropoulos]

They don't prefer it Men have no better deal as of now Their best choice is sadly to stay single The alternative is to marry a heavily used up girl that has insanly high expectations and is full of pride and entitlement, who will eventually cheat on him and/or divorce him and then go around spreading false accusations I know, you will say not all women are like that, and that's true But a minority of marriage worthy women are too few for men as a collective to be able to get married And then, there are also the men's standards 33% of women have a STD and around 50% of women are obese/fat And an ever growing percentage of women are prideful narcissists You see that if a man wants a desirable woman, marriage is even more difficult I still agree that marriage and family give life fulfillment and purpose, but these are dark times we live in

[@bradbowers4414]

The 1950's wasn't peculiar in regards to marriage. Lifelong, committed marriage between a man and a woman is a two-millennia long institution, if not more. It was never a broken system until we fundamentally altered it.

[@chericoffman6321]

Sow the wind, reap a whirlwind. As an older person who is of the “invisible” class, I’ll gladly take nothing. I’ll take my peace over chaos every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

[@susanhaines7358]

Amen!!!!!

[@gerhardvanderpoll7378]

Does amen mean that you agree..!?!?

[@susanhaines7358]

@@gerhardvanderpoll7378 gladly take peace over chaos...amen. I agree

[@DPPB5]

I wonder if you were invisible during your youth. Most men are invisible for their whole lives. You're at peace now because you had your fun, you had your fill. All you're saying is: "not my problem".

[@chericoffman6321]

@@DPPB5 false. Not that it’s any of your business but no I didn’t “have my fun”. Living as a libertine is not my idea of fun.

[@emaij]

I totally agree with this, but when I went down this road, I encountered obstacles

[@MeMyOwnSelf]

That "peculiar 1950's vision of marriage" is the way to go folks. My wife and I have a good marriage with this dynamic, and it's beautiful.

[@WindyJAMiller]

'she didnt want you in her prime, dont take her in her decline'. I'm not here to look after a woman that can't look after herself and won't look after me. It's really that simple, women do it to themselves and simping men help facilitate it. The idea that somehow we need to "evolve" relationships to facilitate this is rubbish, women will, as a rule, not the expectation, take as much as they can get hold of and keep taking all the time they're allowed to. They will do it with what ever relationship they are in, be that work, friendship, romantic etc. that way of being can't evolve into something else, it will simply continue till there's nothing left to take. The only thing that is affective at controlling it is social stigmas, but nowadays theses stigmas are sold as social medals. Sad really, we could have had two parent family's and no debt but instead we have a decline in society and most people stressed because they have no money.

[@brahmaswarnakar3175]

Well said brother 👏.

[@chericoffman6321]

Men will do the same because there are no perfect people down here. Only sinners.

[@OneNiftyBoi]

I agree to some extent. Just not only women, but anyone who has the options and freedom to explore said options will practice it as long as possible. i.e. the unmarried men who have looks, status/wealth, and options in women are going to be difficult to convince to marry and stick to one woman.

[@caucasianafrican1435]

Men become indentured servants to the state when they have a child. They have to pay for said child no matter what, though child can be taken by mother, still pay.

[@randallsanchez3161]

He's talking about polygamy. The "certain people" are the top 10% of men and the women who want them. Many of those women are already in relationships with these guys but don't realize those men are in multiple relationships. He's saying at some point, a lot of women, rather than lower their standards to something reasonable, would rather share those top tier men. And the sad part is that a lot of those women think they're 8's and 9's when they're really 5's and 6's. And that's because those top guys have all pumped and dumped them in the past. So they won't be in any sort of long term relationship either in the end.

[@susanhaines7358]

I say let them have each other. Just do not try to convince the regular Joe's and Jane's to aspire to shit show dynamics

[@gregwatts3960]

Everything 👋 17 years of being the last of a dying breed 💪

[@andi8489]

the 50s vision is the best. maybe theres kind of a modern version of that.

[@GodfreyOmoreniye]

Great line of thinking, I'm willing to see what the possible options are. Looking to see your suggestions!

[@ScubaNut22]

If both sexes are doing well enough without the other then there is no reason to stay together. Or if men feel that women just want to marry them to take half of everything they've worked for once the kids are born... I don't see a happy middle ground. Or if women want to spend their best years sleeping around and having fun then look for a man when they are past their prime and have high mileage... I don't see a happy middle ground. Or if women are going to make a lot of money as online sex workers then think they deserve a high value man... who has no interest in that type of girl... I don't see a happy middle ground.

[@kriispyskinz]

And which gender started created and continued this trend? The covet narcassistic misandrists did.

[@tobe-you-tube6612]

You will find someone fitting just as they will.

[@DuncanL7979]

The small-hatted bagel chompers created and promoted this trend.

[@sleeper9638]

Except that all of this is currently propped up through the exploitation of men. The amount of money that's required to prop women up through education and work makes them a tax net negative in every country in which they can work despite billions being wasted every year to artificially try and keep them in the same realm as men. Women are just a massive tax drain that get to exist through the exploitation of men who get absolutely nothing out of this deal

[@OneNiftyBoi]

The other option that is currently present is dating non-committedly. I know it doesn't have net benefits, but it is undeniably appealing to those who have the options.

[@brianthomas3910]

Nothing new under the sun

[@hotlucky5622]

Wanna save marriage? Give men all the power. People react to incentives

[@OneNiftyBoi]

Exactly!

[@stefanfeist9893]

3, 4 and 5 are sooo important!

[@originalserpent1834]

The problem being faced in the West, is that systems of order imposed upon nature require the control and repression of wild female reproductive instinct and strategy. - "That autonomous female sexuality poses a wild and lethal threat to these world orders, and therefore must be controlled and repressed.") Modern morality will not accept this as an option, and the Christian west (the majority of believers/supporters) still does not realize that this is the cornerstone of what is necessary to achieve systems of order imposed upon nature. If a secular system were to agree to controlling wild female reproductive strategies and expressions, then Christians would tolerate it and be more accepting of it as a side by side culture (so long as it does not attempt to rewrite its theology). Male and female wills of nature, particularly in regards to preferences for reproductive strategy and norms in a cultural system, are in conflict. Since it is unlikely people will be motivated to accept a return to repression and control of female reproductive strategy and will of nature, it seems as though we will have Al girlfriends, Al robots, and artificial wombs. That is, if all out religious war doesn't blow us back to the stone age. The Christian right is at war with phantoms of system degradation that are "downstream" from the cause of the degradation of the system imposed upon nature, which is the liberation of wild human female reproductive instinct and expression. The "right" has yet to figure out, what the cornerstone of their system rests upon and be honest about "what it really requires" to survive as a system. The "political woke left" is largely a fifth column distraction, a secular communist ideology comprised of people caught in resentment loops directed at the culture they feel has harmed them. It is important to remember that eco-feminists, or the pagan nature religion of mother and earth, differentiates itself from "Marxist communism" and asserts that Marxist communism is in reality a secular patriarchy. - "When it refutes or opposes the reality of human spiritual experience, Marxist communism does not resolve this destruction; it only compounds it, with a different rhetoric. It gets rid of "God" and "church" only to substitute another tyranny: that of "the state" or "the machine" or "the party" or "the production quota." It does not truly free human beings; it only changes the brand-name of the chains.") “quotes from the cosmic great mother.

[@Leontemplar-yt6ff]

They’ve just been convinced that they’re dudes. That they are equal (same as) and should do anything dudes do. They expect traditional masculine benefits but reject traditional feminine responsibilities to work ‘for the man’ & big banks & it’s seen as empowerment.

[@Leontemplar-yt6ff]

They’ve just been convinced that they’re dudes. That they are equal (same as) and should do anything dudes do. They expect traditional masculine benefits but reject traditional feminine responsibilities instead to work ‘for the man’ & big banks & it’s seen as empowerment.

[@OljeiKhan]

As an atheist i mostly agree with what you said if i understood correctly. You can't expect people to act accordingly if you remove the things that make them act accordingly. My former religion was Islam and when i first left Islam i only thought of it as a negative thing. But more and more i see modern degeneracy and understand why someone had the idea to speak from the mouth of God and place dumb-at-first-glance restrictions on society. For example i used to say "why the fk should i have to ask for some self proclaimed holy man's permission to have sex with the person i love?" I still think and say that. But i understand why it had to be that way for a long time. We just need to instill the idea of actions leading to consequences, most people are delusional in this regard. Everyone expects to do whatever they want in their best years and still get traditional rewards later on in life.

[@SvenDettman]

We are coming to terms with women's new mating strategies. But many men have decided that these wild women are good for fun and nothing else.

[@jeanr8359]

Marriage as a woman later in life…. Didn’t care about it. Happy. Successful guy wanted marriage…. First marriage a near disaster. Raised kids mostly alone. Waited until kids done college. Ready for time for himself. Started dating again…. Asked me out…. I said what the hell even though I wasn’t looking for a relationship…. Just some fun and good conversation. He won me over eventually and I did say yes. I said yes because he wanted marriage…. I said yes because I loved him. But I agree that marriage shouldn’t be the end all…. And men need to figure out how to talk to woman. Some of the men I dated were soooo frigging dull. I suspected it was nerves but I couldn’t find the attraction.

[@malekkushimuzik3580]

He came in on his knees. The real man he you get moist for, your husband will never know about.

[@Sako-85_308]

The alternative needed is women carry their own financial weight and leave men’s resources the hell alone before, during, and after the situationship - and that includes tax dollars.

[@Xenozillex]

I think its wild people who are net-negative tax payers can influence the government they dont even pay for.

[@sailorcowboy]

Until I am convinced I am not culturally and legally castrated upon getting married there is no way I would

[@SumanthLazarus]

Yes you can reclaim marriage. You have to reject contempo culture and work to change culture.

[@JaySmith-pv2mw]

Marriages should be contracts with an option to renew. The all or nothing is not realistic.

[@szymonbaranowski8184]

it worked and still works for many people and cultures, this culture and economic system is broken not marriage, people treat own word with less value than shit, they replace things with new ones instead of fixing these, in side effect of commercialism and overcrowded cities - antihuman conditions of living, you log out from internet and buy land in province and suddenly things work again

[@randallsanchez3161]

That kind of mindset is why marriages fail. Long term relationships take hard work and we're seeing a lot of laziness and selfishness pervading that space. The end result is everyone being unhappy but trying to cope and tell themselves it was for the best.

[@theezenriarinze9203]

Yeah we don't have a term to properly the in between of being a gf/bf and husband/wife.

[@chericoffman6321]

Yes you do. It’s called cohabitation. Some refer to it as shacking up. You do all things a married couple do but have one foot out the door.

[@SvenDettman]

​@@chericoffman6321yup. We are kind of committed but we maintain the possibility of an upgrade, if possible.

[@heatherlamb7363]

Absolutely agree. I call it "settling/ settler. ​@chericoffman6321

[@theezenriarinze9203]

@@chericoffman6321 No, Reread what I said I'm not taking about what it's called I'm talking about what the title of those who do it. It's not gf/bf and it's not husband/wife.

[@kirksway1]

yes, it's called fiancé

[@2bituser569]

Back to the future!

[@Ridingrules10000]

Nah. I'll just be all or nothing. I'm not sharing and I'll commit to not being shared. Sounds like fun and all, but the long term consequences are fairly obvious, and those don't sound like fun at all.

[@TonyWeeks-wo2mt]

things are falling apart......

[@zensvlognotapro]

We can't put genie back in the bottle I'm gonna borrow that idiom 😊.

[@SunilSharma-re1hq]

The only alternative to the elites 😅 is let go the elites 🤠

[@pawerybacki98]

I think the Christian marriage is a progress from the forms of relationship that had preceded it. My question is rather how to educate and raise people to stand up to this high ideal. It’s hard but feasible with finding a good match and working a bit on their characters and compatibility each day.

[@kepcontube]

What option

[@parrotshootist3004]

We do. Women invented hook up culture, situationships, all sorts in between single and family, as long as family isn't possible after

[@chericoffman6321]

Of course no men are participating in this are we’re not at all told that fidelity isn’t in a man’s nature. But go off I guess. 😏

[@newlife2288]

No way, not true Traditionalsist. Alternatives yes. 😊

[@2bituser569]

Tradcons want a time machine. Hold my beer 🍺! - Doc Brown

[@makisp.1428]

Nonesense!

[@JennyJean.]

We could absolutely go back to the way things were IF corporations would pay married men with children MORE!!! Instead society doesn’t want to fit the bill for woman to be homemakers so guess what population decline WILL CONTINUE!!! It’s just not fulfilling to be working, single with kids worrying about shelter and food on the table never mind sex. Sex is NOT what marriage is all about for woman marriage is about a stable institution for the well-being of children and woman in their most vulnerable states of life! If woman can’t get what they need to be happy during childbearing years they will globally STOP bothering with trying to be Homemakers. It’s tragic that men in particular after thousands of years aren’t figuring this out! The joy of men is sex with the woman they love in her youth, the joy of woman is to raise her offspring in stability and joy stress free! Why would I bother having kids only to send them off eight hours a day to be raised by somebody else who may or may not treat them right?

[@chericoffman6321]

4B is gaining ground here.

[@mrquick6775]

Well, actually what’s going to happen they will start making babies in labs as a way of life. And making women have babies whether they like it or not. This is already starting to happen with the ab@rtion ban! Actually, with AI the two mentioned above and the promise of AI girlfriends will start to replace women’s will. There’s two fundamental problems issues here: First Women don’t understand that they need men and two, women have no real power to stop men from getting what they want! LET THE READER USE DISCERNMENT This is in the context of a functional, thriving society where people (men and women) are non destructive, mature and were raised with values, know their roles and what it takes to maintain order and build legacies that are meaningful, healthy and improves society. Until the singularity is reached and women have significant control over AI and humans merge with AI women will always be vulnerable to the will of MAN!! Like it love it or leave it! I don’t really care any more to be honest I had my kids raised them, payed child support, got back with the wife raised them some more the state conveniently forgot to stop taking the child support out of my check when me and the wife got back together, so get this I was still paying child support up till my daughter was almost 20 yrs old. Had to keep going back to court then when they finally corrected it they had to send me a check for overpayment. Even though me and the wife were back together. My daughter was still living there and didn’t move out until she got married several years later. The game has gone on for far too long and men are tired! Child support, marriage, dating and women are a scam and men are tired of the whole system, women think they can halve their cake and eat ALL of it?? NOPE.. watch what happens. I’m surprised women haven’t figured this out already. I fully support the ban on ab@rtion!!! Peace and prosperity to you!

[@szymonbaranowski8184]

you can't have it in overcrowded cities where work only is, we go to land and rebuild economy there or we stay rats that get infertile to cope

[@zombielandiii2711]

@@chericoffman6321 HELLO, WHAT "4B" MEANS?

[@Xenozillex]

It's not about pay, remember, 40% of your income is taxed and then more when you spend it.

[@TheOutlierToday]

I'm still gonna stick with the 1950s marriage. Marriage was never the problem. The people are.

[@Mrhdigital3791]

Pipe dream brother. Those days are long gone. We need new, fresh perspective ideas that works for everyone. The old way clearly isn’t working.

[@TheOutlierToday]

@Mrhdigital3791 the new ideas won't work either and will have worse consequences. The people nowadays can't work together in any way. Relationships won't work if everyone is there for their own personal benefit. These relationships have existed for centuries, and you guys think you can just come up with something new lol. Good luck

[@Mrhdigital3791]

@@TheOutlierToday you can live in that mindset and delusional reality all you want, you can’t change what’s happening and what’s coming in the near future. The world is a 180 shift from the 1950’s. It ain’t coming back my dude

[@TheOutlierToday]

@Mrhdigital3791 marriage isn't from the 1950s now is it? You're the one that's deluded that you think we can just get up and change how human relationships work. We settled on this after millions of years of evolution for a reason. It's what works best. I'm all for new ideas and ways of doing things better. But I'm yet to see any new relationship model that's better for the individuals involved and their kids

[@Mrhdigital3791]

@@TheOutlierToday Kids are an entirely different argument. I’m talking just marriage in general. If human society was so good at it why is the divorce rate over 50%? Why do so many families cut ties because of unsuccessful unions? I know why, because society is not built for marriage today. We’re not capable of it. Marriage has become too many things with too much societal pressure to just say “I do.” Its dumb and ignorant

[@SharkAcademy]

It is important to note that it when people think traditional marriage, they are thinking of a very small area of history when people had the privilege due to many reasons to live that. A massive misconception though, and it’s due to feminists rewriting of history is that women throughout history haven’t worked and that is incorrect. Before maybe 150 years ago, women worked as well unless they were part of the .1% elite rich type. Everyone was trying their best to survive and have enough. Ever heard of hunter gatherers? Well the women were gathering, sometimes yes, with the kids, but they weren’t at home sitting, maybe cleaning the house like 1950s media shows you. It wasn’t until after the Industrial Revolution that this came about. Once things like office jobs came about, feminists decided they wanted to work the same jobs as men (not really, they still don’t work all the hard manual labor jobs that have existed for men this whole time), and rewrote history to say they had been prevented from working this whole time

[@randallsanchez3161]

Much like how technology is removing more physically demanding jobs for men, it also removed many of the physical jobs for women. Their work typically centered around homemaking. The difference is that instead of processing a carcass, they now just pick it up from the supermarket. They don't have to weave for clothing since cloth mills and modern stores handle that.

[@sigmajapheth9414]

Yes it's though

[@GrandChiefSmackaho]

what show is he on in this interview? He keeps posting these shorts with no link to the full interview, or even a hint on where to find it.

[@IfSemper]

This was his interview on Eric Siu's podcast called, "Leveling Up." In most instances you will always find interviews under the "Community" tab. Click on "view channel" then "Community" & scroll down until you see the one in question.

[@IfSemper]

P.S. These "shorts" are excerpts either from a video that you'll find under the "video" tab or an interview you'll find under the "Community" tab.

[@IfSemper]

Also, you can find them by clicking subscriptions, then go to this channel & it's pinned along with the other shorts & videos. So you can just scroll down, back in time until you see it posted there.

[@GrandChiefSmackaho]

@@IfSemper Gotta say this is the first time I've encountered a youtuber that uses the community tab for anything useful. Big thanks my man!

[@IfSemper]

@@GrandChiefSmackaho He has lots of great stuff in there. - April L

[@carlospool7155]

Where is the whole video ???

[@IfSemper]

Under the "Community" tab. Or click on your "Subscriptions," then click this channel, then scroll down until you see the full interview pinned there.

[@MAMP]

It sounds really fun, if what he's offering comes to be, but really can 2 people's ego handle watching their partners screw around? I think that is deep seeded and the answer is no unfortunately.

[@knockeddownanotch]

lots to untangle... marriage and legal marriage can be separated, the latter being deliberately engineered by hidden hands, not bachelors and bachelorettes or even their families; the purpose of becoming one flesh is to become parents, and without the motive to create, preserve, and promote offspring then any arrangement, whatever you call it, is doomed; you can't put the genie back, but some are blessed never to have encountered the ghost or gotten drunk on the wine of fornication, and they can persevere, in 1950s or even prehistoric style, if need me. you cannot engineer your way out of the fall of babylon.

[@LoftOfTheUniverse]

It doesn't need to be the 1950s, it just needs to be biblical which has worked for 2000+ years. It doesn't matter if society doesn't follow, you can still have that.

[@DG123z]

Hook up culture

[@OneNiftyBoi]

Yes, it is an alternative currently, but it has negative Net benefit arguably for both sexes.

[@DG123z]

@@OneNiftyBoi never said it was good.. it's just what's happening

[@vedinthorn]

Things are falling apart specifically BECAUSE we have been trying other things than the prior 10,000 years of marriage.

[@chericoffman6321]

All you have to do is look at the comment section to see what’s wrong with the culture.

[@markusaurelius1739]

So true

[@DuncanL7979]

This was a bad take without describing exactly how he would change things.

[@kirksway1]

agreed

[@DJ-yj7op]

Not with that attitude

[@gregprince5283]

Ephesians 3:20

[@alternativestoaa9288]

Lol that will make things worse. Order is needed

[@szymonbaranowski8184]

absolutely, we will have even more crazy movements as this promotes more divisions, atomisation on top of liberal madness we already got

[@joekeegan937]

Strongly disagree. Marriage will save our society or it will fall.

[@bronkonovak6555]

The genie must want to go in the bottle on its own and thats not going to happen, let society fall apart woken will suffer more than men when this happens.

[@alwaysgreatusa223]

Nothing is falling apart.

[@benclark3457]

Lots of 'i think/I feel'-isms. Kind of narrow-minded doc, lets be honest

[@LotusMoonTarot]

You all are “victims”. In my state men & women have the same rights and responsibilities. Get over it. Stop blaming women. Take responsibility

[@MrMojo13ification]

What do you mean? You want men to take responsibility for what women do?

[@Laura-ry1jq]

It's like you just make it up on the Fly!!! you say strange things. :( Your statements are like what Barney Fife said to Andy. "Oh, Andy!..Y'all say everything is everything!"