The AMD Screwing is UNIVERSAL - Windows 10 vs 11 (Part 2)

[@techyescity]

Hope you guys enjoyed this one. Lots more requests for tests coming in, will try make it all happen this month for you guys, though I am definitely itching to hit the used market a bit too NGL.

[@jabronilifestyle]

You should benchmark the 9950x vs 14900ks in both gaming and productivity (not just cinebench, do some Blender benchmarks) with the optimal windows config

[@livemadseason]

Include Linux next time - Nobara should be a good comaprison.

[@karlos1060]

I am confused. In the previous video Core isolation was turned off and had more FPS. Now all the graphs with On are higher then off? What does it mean on? Is that core isolation off when you say on?

[@Javanoiac]

​@@karlos1060 Previous video was about testing the performance impact of Core Isolation (on vs off). This one shows the test results for the KB5041587 update/patch for Windows 23H2 (update installed-ON vs not installed-OFF).

[@myne00]

It makes sense. AMD = classic dual socket architecture. Albeit io die + chiplets. Intel = monolithic, heterogeneous, asynchronous Microsoft rewrote the scheduler for 12th gen. I'm fairly convinced it's still effectively in beta. There's no evidence that it can handle full big.LITTLE yet. Ie cores with different instructions. Remember Intel knee-jerk disabled AVX512 on 12g most likely because Ms haven't been able to make it work properly. I suspect it's an accident that AMD lost perf - because the classic architecture is accidentally deoptimised. The proof would be to grab a pair of 6 core xeons and see if they also suffer in w11. They more closely match the classic architecture.

[@willwunsche6940]

Been thinking of upgrading to Windows 10 from Windows 11 for awhile. Thank you for the motivation

[@voiceofreason9238]

In the last two months I moved from Win 10 to Win 11. Quick and easy clean install, no regrets. The fact that Win 11 has a security feature enabled by default is actually why I upgraded.

[@willwunsche6940]

@@voiceofreason9238 Nothing wrong with that if it works for you. I was mostly just joking. I had to go to Windows 10 for my Valve Index to be supported fully without issues.

[@HamguyBacon]

Ok shills, i totally believe you are both not bots.

[@miloradowicz]

​@@HamguyBacon wow, such an original comment! Truly no bot could muster hope to wield this level of creativity and deep thinking! You are nothing but a sheeple calling a kettle black, so shit the fu¢k up.

[@SuzukiBalls]

@@HamguyBacon I mean Windows 11 is a fine experience outside of this issue, it's literally just Windows 10 with some improvements. I wouldn't consider either OS fully polished or even close to perfect though.

[@midnightlumina7]

MS designed Windows 11 for Intel. Notice the rhetoric around, bringing life to new PC sales: They meant INTEL. The whole "Running Android Apps" was supposed to be just an Intel-only feature, but backlash stopped it.

[@George_C-e4v]

Windows 10 IoT LTSC best gaming OS, no debate. Official support until 2032 too, lowest DPC and mouse latency. Nothing else matters.

[@michaelbuto305]

I mean we got buzzword like e core p core. whatever tf that means. Its so stupid lmao.

[@yorkshireplumbing]

Why? They've been selling PCs on Intel for decades. Are you sure they aren't talking about ARM and the Snapdragon laptops... because that would make sense.

[@s4091boat]

​@@George_C-e4vhow about auto HDR?

[@griffin1366]

Disable Defender / Security and AMD has the same performance as W10 22H2.

[@tekwiz99]

Feels like MS is going backwards

[@techyescity]

My experience with 11 vs 10 would definitely agree with that.

[@45eno]

I would argue MS is holding steady and consistent all these years. Pretty frustrating for years and years. Win98 🫤 Win98se 🙂 Win ME 🤨 Win XP 😀 Win Vista 😔 Win 7 😎 Win 8 😒 Win 10 😃 Win 11 😒 Win 12 🤷

[@williamlaprarie3007]

All the new people hired in are diversity hires with little or no experience, doesn't suppose me. Almost as shut as spell check.

[@DavidMiller-dt8mx]

I'm moving to Linux. I've used two distros, plan on Nobara this time. Still like Kubuntu and Mint, but I'm hearing great things about Nobara gaming.

[@clear9104]

@@45eno windows 10 was never good to begin with, it was only good bc they reverted the start menu change from windows 8. apart from that it had worse design without aero, slow, annoying forced windows updates, way more telemetry than any other version and other bad stuff

[@jerryknudsen7898]

Microsoft never misses an opportunity to remind us 11 is trash. I want to thank them for their contributions to the growth of the linux community.

[@jeffreypaul9428]

Every reviewer should include a Linux test going forward I think.

[@selohcin]

I'm interested in using Linux, but I've never done it before and there seem to be many different types of Linux and I have no idea which are good and bad. Do you have any recommendations? Please remember that I'll be playing games.

[@jerryknudsen7898]

@@selohcin before diving in, what are your PC specs? I ask because it will make a large difference with Linux. The distro I recommend is Nobara Linux, it's the easiest gaming focused distro for a newbie, I have a friend using it now because we didn't want to buy a windows licence knowing he will be swapping motherboards in the immediate future. He knew nothing of Linux but I knew he emulates more than he games, and has an AMD GPU. He's recently informed me he's loving it, and his steam games work. Nobara is a fedora spin off with the gaming focused optimizations steam deck OS implemented, which is a Linux for the non-linux gamer. That said research carefully, much of the logic you've grown accustomed to on windows will not work here. Exes for example aren't Linux native compatible, installation wizards don't exist, and not everything works the same way. That said it's not always harder, drivers are built into the kernel or sought out during installation and things like WinRAR aren't nearly as necessary. Just study fedora based distros and Linux in general well before you make the jump. It's not easy and often the first try leaves people very unsatisfied with Linux because it's so different, but once you begin learning it how you learned windows it gets easier, assuming it's an OS that can meet your needs at all.

[@H4GRlD]

​​​​​​​​​​​​​@@selohcinI was gaming on the latest Ubuntu release on the weekend (AMD CPU & GPU). Was playing Helldivers 1 with a friend on Steam (local coop) with PS5 controllers. I tried up to 3 controllers, it worked flawlessly (had to enable Steam Input for the games and choose a Proton version under the Compatibility tab). I have to say that I hate Ubuntu for the snap packages, but overall it's a good and approachable experience, I'm using 22.04 on my desktop for work / daily driver and I have 24.04 currently on my notebook that I don't use very often but it was used actually for the gaming part I explained. I believe there's a new stable release for 24 which might increase the overall stability / experience. I still have my dual boot setup with Windows on my pc, which is on a different disk drive. If you install Linux after Windows (dual boot setup) you don't have to worry about much I think, Linux (grub) I believe historically treats the necessary configuration better than Windows (if you were installing Windows as the second OS).

[@EmilePesky-n1v]

Once I'm done a playthrough of the mass effect trilogy I'm wiping my second SSD drive and dual booting with a Linux distro. I'll stick with win 10 for as long as possible alongside it. Hopefully win12 will be a return to better times

[@DrekRivers]

can you test 5000 series, they said they are affected aswell and we see no reviewer talking or showing benchmark about it

[@techyescity]

I will test that and follow up on it for you man, so far we have power profiles as well, so will take a look at that as well!

[@superior96]

Yes please!! I was about to ask for it as well, thank you so much.​@@techyescity Even if 5000 series are somewhat old already, so many people still have them. The R5 5600 is basically one of the best bang for the buck CPUs of the past few years with so many current users.

[@mcflygarcia]

@@techyescity hope to get that video, almost all of my friends and coworkers are on am4 platform so it will be so helpful to test that.

[@xXxMrRazorxXx]

@@techyescityplease do Bryan!! A lot lf us would be thankful for that, great job on the findings so far! 😊

[@ANg-yz1zl]

Yup, we would like to know too. Recently upgrade to 5700X3D after watching your video. So, I would like to know too. Still running Windows 10 until Oct 2025.

[@sdgx0]

no shit i been telling people with a amd cpu that microsoft is screwing us from the start by upgrading to windows 11

[@osinstalls]

I've told my friend that I helped build his 5800X to stay on 10. I expect he will remain until 11 is the only free option that's a mature Windows without paying monthly. Win11 direct storage and AutoHDR aren't really enough (some Linux distros have HDR on KDE too, my AMD gpu has it on Nobara 40). Most people I think are served by staying until MS makes them pay to subscribe to 10, then maybe they are forced into an upgrade to save money. That or they do a new build. My one remaining 10 LTSC install is going Linux or staying offline when the time comes.

[@ArtisChronicles]

​@@osinstalls I'd spend time learning a Linux distro just to get away from microshits bullishit.

[@gottahavitvt]

@@ArtisChronicles yeah then you can play 25% of your games with 5% higher FPS, 25% of you games at 20% lower FPS, and 50% at 0fps and that's after you spend a week getting Linux gaming even working at all assuming you have no other hardware that has no Linux drivers and are told "well why would you run that hardware, are you stupid" by the linux community. Linux only survives because of the Linux community, and Linux will never become mainstream because of the linux community. ;-)

[@klontjespap]

You can leave out the amd in that statement Win11 was always gash

[@griffin1366]

As an Intel user, Windows 10 has been superior as well.

[@myotherlefthand4880]

Thanks for being relaxed. Your chill attitude is much appreciated.

[@kerotomas1]

It’s crazy to see that in W10 the 9700X is actually a good cpu with a good generational uplift and perfroms close to the 7800X3D

[@hansyulian3671]

Microsoft & Intel: Handshake... lets make intel win AMD: ok fine, we will wait until the time we have issue to win over intel, then we will make fuss about this so that people know it's window's fault and everyone get free performance and we win again

[@Jo21]

i mean microsoft seems to be only half patching this so intel still on lead.

[@guily6669]

I don't think so... On my old 8700K wind 11 modded without security features enabled clean install on a fast M2 SSD run slow, even the UI was constantly being fast and slow randomly without doing anything and just all drivers installed, also a lot of games lost a few FPS... 1 day with wind 11 for me was enough to do a full clean wind 10 install back again and everything is smooth again... Edit: forgot to say I fckin hate the new UI and menus from Win11 🤬

[@griffin1366]

this is just cope. w11 has the same performance as w10 once defender is disabled.

[@railshot888]

There's a lot of actual benchmark deniers on the Intels side, Intel already lost gaming crown, and this doesn't help them feel better. Intel subreddit has been shadowbanning many people exposing this issues as well.

[@HunterTracks]

@@griffin1366 Have you, uh, watched the previous video?

[@vogonp4287]

This does explain why Linux users consistently praise Zen 5.

[@George_C-e4v]

Windows 10 IoT LTSC best gaming OS, no debate. Official support until 2032 too, lowest DPC and mouse latency. Nothing else matters.

[@MrEdioss]

Free windows is best windows

[@MoireFly]

Even on Linux the uplift is mediocre at best, and often downright disappointing. Even on avx512 friendly real workloads the uplift is much smaller than what e.g. zen4 brought. As a whole, we have not seen uplifts this small since before zen 1! If anybody is truly happy with this, I don't understand why.

[@hyperixz]

i will never understand why people want to switch to Linux it's totally user unfriendly and OS compatibility with most software is utter dogsh!t

[@vogonp4287]

@@hyperixz I've honestly had way less issues with Linux than Windows. No weird driver problems, no updates breaking things, no reboots while I'm trying to work, better security without sacrifices in performance, and more. I use both for work related reasons, but Linux is by far less of a headache.

[@cmdr_stretchedguy]

Intel worked with Microsoft to ensure they nerf AMD hardware. Was in a US court case a few years ago. They were basically told "stop doing that" but no fine or legal basis to stop doing it, so they never stopped doing it.

[@hengry0]

there is actually legal basis against it, its called anti-trust laws buddy

[@ΑθανάσιοςΠαππάς-σ7ψ]

Finally someone testing win10 vs win11 !!! It was so obviously a win 11 issue when we had linux people praising ryzen 9000, while everyone that tested on windows (sadly win11...) practically said: "cpu below expectations/advertisement, not recommended". Another reason why win11 is trash…

[@Ripkord]

Ive a Ryzen 3900x and from win 10 to 11 23h2 third update ive lost 34% performance... like what the hell... i went back to win 10 again, this is unbelieveable!

[@Embreh89]

what baffles me is that win10 is still outperforming win11 patched version....

[@Ivan-pr7ku]

The 1990s called and it wants Wintel back.

[@magnusnilsson9792]

Windows 11 = Vista II. The list of CON's is long and growing, while the list of PRO's is still empty.

[@gabydiaz1083]

Vista 11 :I

[@drumsmoker731]

And Win 10 will become the new Win 7.

[@rocksfire4390]

@@rustyclark2356 the tech needs to become stable for widespread adoption and even then it still takes a very long time to adopt. games coming out now were started and planned with tech from 2-8 years ago.

[@saxombie8614]

@@rustyclark2356 but directstorage works on Win 10 too (most part of it). I.E: Hunt 1896 now uses it.

[@Simon_Denmark]

I wouldn’t say that PRO’s list is completely empty. For example compared to windows 10 there’s actually properly working HDR and calibration.

[@djlim4612]

great video, thanks. a lot of those "famous youtubers" are just racing for clicks. Accuracy is out, drama and "angry faces and click-baity titles" are in. Am dual-booting to Mint Linux on my second rig now, learning the ropes. Support for games are still janky, needing to familiarize with Proton, Wine, Heroic launcher etc..but overall it's easier than expected. Gaming in Steam with Linux are excellent. Hope Linux continue to increase in popularity and finally put some pressure on MS and their crap products and unfair practices.

[@ArielJerseyJr]

One of the reasons why I went back to W10.

[@livemadseason]

I went even further - Linux 😀

[@ArtisChronicles]

​@@livemadseason I went even further, Ms-DOS 💻💻

[@Vss077]

one of the reason i went back to win7... and when win7 was used - vista & obv from vista to XP cuz vista was trash anyway. but srsly every new windows slowed down performance. from Win7 to 8 there was a degradation in performance, same goes for XP vs vista / win7. XP had way better performance than win7. just u got forced to use win7 due to secruity & directX support

[@klontjespap]

​​​noone is forced to use windows 11 in the same way So the argument is a bit shit for win11? Also your claim is false vista was objectively slower and worse than win7 that came after it

[@klontjespap]

​@@Vss077vista was worse anf slower han win7 coming after it, so that claim is false

[@michaelthomas3646]

Brian, from personal experience switching from Windows 7 to windows 10 I seen a simular drop in FPS being tanked especially in the early days, but yes you are right Microsoft shouldn't be enforcing online activity to access your pc, like had an issue with using a simcard modem as refuse to pay extorsion for a fixed phoneline and isp prices, but yet having bs internet connection and drop outs for hours on end at times, windows 11 came back with cannot connect to the internet connect your ethernet cable to finish installing windows. had to work around it by connecting my phone to my pc luckily having internet on my phone as well. Windows 11 is bs anyway.

[@SameAtol]

I may be misremembering things, but I remember, there was a time with Windows 10 where they activated cored isolation by default, and the performance hit was pretty massive, after which they turned it off by default. When it was back on Windows 11 I assumed they patched it to not impact as much, but I guess that was wishful thinking smh. Great vid. Btw, I sent you an invite to the deadlock beta on steam, I'd love to see a cheap used build themed around the game, like the good old days, cheers.

[@ZaPirate]

I'd like a windows 11 rant. Can be in podcast form so I can listen to it while installing windows 10.

[@TheOfficialStal]

It's weird, on a lower end system, R5 5600 and 6700xt I'm getting better performance in most games on the newest 11 patch than 10 now. Would be interested to see a setup like mine tested more thoroughly.

[@danijelujcic8644]

I have the same combo and not giving up on it; serves me well (Zen 3 truly is AMD's Sandy Bridge) ... Tried many Linux distros over the years, but had to stick to Windows because of ArcheAge. Now AA is dead (in EU and US). Hopefully Cosmic moves past alpha ASAP. Not playing anything online anytime soon, if ever again.

[@SangNguyen-se8pd]

I got amd 5800h and 3060m and newer win 11 update got me 30-40% in cpu efficiency. Testing with mostly heavy emulator game. Kind of weird too. However when I turn off the wifi win 11 make the cpu use extra 10w/h, no idea why

[@martinskoog1777]

@@SangNguyen-se8pd They be hiding the extra CPU mining in the Wifi drivers.

[@wowwhataworld.9590]

It's concerning that Windows has been heading downhill since Windows 7. Linux has a bright future

[@Dominus_Potatus]

That's what they say since ... forever. i mean there are improvement but most people simply get used to Windows's or MacOS's UI

[@Barood88]

Only if linux becomes user friendly without the usage of terminal then people may consider it. Just like Android.

[@notjustforhackers4252]

@@Barood88 No reasons to use the terminal in Linux if you don't want to. Its also more user friendly than Windows these days.

[@ericthedesigner]

Windows 7 is so frigin fast. I miss it bad.

[@Barood88]

@@notjustforhackers4252 I use both terminal and gui in linux. Installing wine, doing updates, fixing dependencies, installing dpkg and flatpaks through terminal is easier. But majority of people got used to windows that they may consider linux if it becomes more GUI based like windows. It can be possible if companies like "Canonical" makes it happen.

[@Evenaardez]

Something to note if youre testing this yourself. The FPS loss from core isolation is really only in CPU bottlenecked situations such as in 1080p. I tested in 1440p and 4k with ray tracing/path tracing and the negative effect is neglectable. HOWEVER, in older and less optimized games like Guild Wars 2, where even on high resolutions, the CPU is the bottle neck, there is a huge effect, up to 10% less FPS. I think this applies to a lot of MMORPGs where there are lots of players and the CPU is pushed hard. So it really depends on your use case if you want to disable core isolation, either way, the fact this happens and you are not warned is insane.

[@JetLagRecords]

Tech YES City, great content bro

[@SlickSniper3]

Man I've followed your channel for quite a while and I'm glad you covered this properly. I agree with everything you said at the end too. I'll be staying on W10 for as long as possible.

[@HardwareAccent]

Excellent video. Thank you so much for putting time and effort into making such detailed video with receipts and letting the community know.

[@enricoligia.]

Congrats! It would be interesting to check out Windows 10 LTSC as well.

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

After I download these FPS, how do I download more RAM?

[@techyescity]

Optimize windows :P

[@nossy232323]

You will need to wait for the next Windows 11 patch 😂

[@livemadseason]

With Linux 😀

[@DavidMiller-dt8mx]

​@@livemadseasonagreed.

[@kintustis]

Titus debloat script.

[@mannen659]

Thank you for this excellent video! This is pure madness. Honestly, as an average Joe, I thought about switching to Intel because I felt my AMD rig had problems. Now it is just MS screwing around... :/

[@Rocky-bz8wr]

Thank you for doing these videos. It confirms to me I will be staying on windows 10 with my Ryzen 9 5950x. Thank you

[@ellric42]

If windows having trouble optimizing both Intel and AMD in one build without hurting one or the other why not have an AMD build and one for Intel

[@stevenszmek7007]

Yep - and again... Less and less reason to even change to Win 11. I'll remain on Win 10 since it seems to be the safer, more stable and much more secure option. Now i wait for Win 12 - and then wait another year - and after people found out how much is broken on that one i'll decide again on if a upgrade is worth the headache.

[@ArtisChronicles]

I'll probably run Ubuntu Mint. Just wash my hands of windows through all of this bs

[@thedigitalbug]

I don't know if you noticed. But take a good look at your GPU utilization rate. Your examples consistently show lower framerate = lower GPU usage.

[@WTFCONFIDENTIAL]

great job brother keep us updated about this topic

[@Einuhreins]

Marty, we have to go back!!!

[@8lec_R]

Learning how to move over to Linux now. Been playing on and off with Linux for a while now. But now I'm using it everyday on a secondary system trying to get everything to work. Learning a lot. Will be off proprietary software soon.

[@zungaloca]

Intel and Nvidia awful anti consumer practices, and linus Torvalds said fk Nvidia

[@raven4k998]

yeah why windows 10 vs windows 11 were are the Linux gaming benchmarks for fps if he's going to compare why hold back on the linux fps numbers because linux makes for a good benchmark comparison

[@Derceto00]

I'm dual booting Linux and Windows. Windows 10, that is. I tried 11, and tried to force myself to use it for a couple weeks, and I didn't even make this long. I also find myself using Linux more and more with each passing day. I've just gravitated to it more. I think my days of Windows are quite numbered, thankfully. Microsoft is one of the grossest companies in existence, never mind the the tech space. The further away from them I can put myself, the better.

[@xgearheart8592]

W11 intentional sabotage against amd? 🤔

[@badz1497]

always has been. since the launch of W11, it has been problems galore with Ryzen systems. one issue after another

[@StarsAtNight1]

Hardware unboxed did not find these differences?

[@dicknr1]

you forget HW unboxed is known biased for Intel. and are a minature Userbenchmark.

[@raondom_sutff_4217]

Slower, more bloatware, more useful features removed, more telemetry, more stupid forced shit enabled.. and that is why win10 is my final MS os, switching to linux, currently on Fedora 40

[@floycewhite6991]

We used to call telemetry "keylogging.". How would you like a bunch of strange men in Philippines or Nigeria monitoring your wife's camera?

[@SyncF]

@@floycewhite6991 lmao

[@Jomenaa]

R5 3600 here, still not sure if I should just install 10 again or give 11 another try :D I really don't wanna lose fps or get stutters because my mid tier setup is only getting older D:

[@AliYassinToma]

I thought win 11 had a better task scheduler giving better fps.. is that a win 11 release only thing, and now after the updates, win 10 is faster?

[@s7r49]

Already had it off xD turned off as much as possible, as an i.t. guy im not at all worried about security on my gaming computer. i spend several hours turning off as much of windows as possible, and i always get a huge boost . a few dozen settings that get you 3/4 of a fps add up when they're all together

[@fedjapetrovich2408]

Thank you for that video. I could not understand why was I having so many instability problems with my 7800x3d on win11

[@slaysi]

I agree with what you said about not being forced to use a password on Windows 11.

[@tuneduptechie]

This is why i love linux, i have yet to have any form of regression in performance on both my desktop, and laptop. Both are AMD systems. If anything performance keeps getting better with every update. And i love it.

[@bleack8701]

HU Steve talked about the win10 vs win11 performance difference and he found that it also mattered how you installed win11 (upgrade or fresh install). Which is just absurd

[@floycewhite6991]

It always did. I notice the 24H2 Win 11 update will do a complete reinstall as an upgrade.

[@ARISOLE1000]

Not absurd at all, it's always been best practice to re-install software upgrades and drivers.

[@JVlapleSlain]

Love how you called out the rush reviews that are farming drama around the 12 minute mark, when performance numbers clearly made no sense for AMD to release and yet they did not make the effort to dig deeper. I am sure everyone can infer from looking at a certain 'gamer' channel that recently just crossed the 1 million subscriber mark that farmed like 10 videos of click/ragebait on Zen 5.

[@Ray88G]

Try Nobara Linux .. Show people the difference.. There are other gaming Linux distros

[@princeofcaladan]

CachyOS

[@horatimetalero]

Because of these type of videos is why you are one of the best on YT for sure. Great insight as always!

[@floycewhite6991]

Thanks for the useful info confirming the older OS to yet again be the better choice. I always find new reasons to be glad I build at clearance sales of previous gen. My family's Zen 3 / RDNA 2 machines should be good until PCIe 6 and DDR6 are mature tech

[@seventhblessing.7371]

Would be cool to see a 30-day linux video from TYC.

[@TRXSH503]

I went ahead and rollback to a fresh install of windows 10, I did not only noticed a increase of around 30 - 40fps on my 7800x3D and 7900xtx, but games did not crash randomly, my pc didn’t get as hot as it did and it was pulling less wattage as well, and even made the whole rig run smoother

[@ando7020]

I tried to install Windows 10 but every time I install the GPU drivers it tells me that the PC configuration has changed and that I have to restart, resulting in the mouse and keyboard being disconnected. It seems that the problem is Windows automatically installing a PCI bus driver that conflicts with the GPU and the AMD chipset driver. I don't know if this is a move by Windows to avoid downgrading the operating system or if it's a problem that only affects me. On Windows 11 this driver doesn't even exist in Device Manager. I also tried using Group Policy to prevent Windows from installing this driver but unfortunately it seems to be necessary for Windows 10. I had to switch to Windows 11 Pro again. The system has a RX 7900xtx a ryzen 7 7700x combined with an asrock x670e steel legend. PS. before upgrading to Windows 11 again I did a cmos, reset all my BIOS values and also disabled virtualization, the result was that Windows does not provide the "ryzen performance" update to those who have virtualization disabled on the motherboard. So the patch actually disabled virtualization-based security

[@PanchoGDMKWii]

Use Ventoy to flash windows 10

[@klontjespap]

Lol this sounds a lot like someone running counterfeit chinesium shit and have to work around the original drivers

[@champmannisto3444]

I think at the very least, what we can take from this kind investigation from techyescity is that the 9800x3d should be (if the commentary on v cache remains consistent) a gaming beast for pc enthusiasts and something to look forward to.

[@eilegz]

Windows 11 its a dissaster, UI downgrades, BLOAT, higher hardware requirements, and what we knew AMD having issues that took 4 years to fix. unacceptable

[@Leopardipzg]

+Win 11 usability simply sucks, its unresponsive and laggy... microsoft is really clueless these days

[@sporadicentertainment9253]

That’s exactly why I’m on Windows 10 Home 64 bit with all the bloatware taken off.

[@p4radigm989]

TYC = most useful Tech Channel and best reviews. I like the chiptune at the end. I think that is Golden Axe.

[@mohnkhan]

Thank you for your honesty and awareness

[@king_leb3171]

You know what im jumping to linux

[@selohcin]

This is why I avoided Windows 11 entirely. I know it's easy to say this now, but I suspected that Microsoft was planning some foul play with Windows 11 right from the start.

[@soklot]

Hardware Unboxed did a video about Windows 10 vs 11 on a lot of games. Their findings were that you can have ''bad'' and ''good'' Windows installs on both 10 and 11. The bad install has worse FPS and the good has better. So there seems to be a Windows install lottery.

[@marknewellmusic]

It's more objective than that - it is literally a Windows setting in Windows 11 that is enabled by default in 11 that harms FPS, but on 10 it is disabled by default giving better fps by default on Windows 10

[@soklot]

@@marknewellmusic They took that into account also. You should watch the video.

[@techyescity]

I have reinstalled windows 10 a few times now, it's very consistent. Windows 11 I really don't want to bother with it after this testing, and also a few more tests I have to run with it.

[@marknewellmusic]

@@soklot cheers I was pushed for time so had to cut watching the vid, will see whole thing later 🍻

[@MrDaisygrand]

Can a properly debloated and optimized-tweaked Windows 11 setup match the performance of a well-tuned Windows 10 on an AMD CPU?

[@samfan8685]

chart @3:40 is confusing. CI on performs better than off. So do you recommand we turn CI on or off?? I think there is a typo. In your video, on performs better than off.

[@khoavu1341]

You're reading it wrong, it's with the patch on/off with CI off

[@samfan8685]

@@khoavu1341 ah, okay! a bit confusing lol

[@bernardb5251]

Thanks for the headsup bro! What are the odds we can see 1000 to 500 series under the same variables?

[@GoldyGames13]

Using Win 10 LTSC 2019 no regrets !

[@greggmacdonald9644]

Yep, I'm staying on Win 10 until the games I want to run, or the hardware I want to use, forces me to Win 11... just like was the case for me for Win 7.

[@tamastenhaaff2291]

Will a program like project lasso fix the issues windows 11 has? Or is it something more fundamental

[@JCDentonCZ]

The elephant in the room might be the effect of all the telemetry and in both Win10 and Win11 on performance. Would be interesting to see that tested.

[@Budicles]

This issue with passwords and forced compliance is due to the fact that governments and companies know what is best for you and they will make sure you know it

[@robertmyers6488]

Thank you. Really looking at Linux for this and multiple reasons.

[@moozoo2589]

5:25 why the guys on Hardware Unboxed having much lower results on Cyberpunk in their video here watch?v=izqEZmjTfuM&t=1799s with the same CPU/GPU and settings, and also Windows 10 showing lower results than Windows 11? I'm confused.

[@techyescity]

Ask them for the footage bro, instead of just bar graphs. I would like to see where and how they tested.

[@dicknr1]

@@techyescity HW Unboxed is known to be biased for intel. so its very likely they couldnt care enough to test anything and just decided to blame amd for performance otherwise diagnose-able

[@VictorFernandes-q9o]

Footage means nothing at all. They can flip the video around and you have no idea which one was the windows 10 or 11. Are you new to the internet or something?

[@5daysago823]

Damn I upgraded Windows to 11 last night..😢

[@Alphacuremom55]

Not very surprising that the majority of Linux users use AMD historically

[@MauiWauiPineappleExpress]

I always say AMD for Linux and Intel for Windows! Same for the GPU, Nvidia and Intel doesn't run as good as AMD on Linux.

[@radosuaf]

So that's 11900K + Win 10 :). Thanks for keeping us informed!

[@skibidi.G]

Intel is crap, AMD only ✌️😊

[@notatechguy1209]

Sadly, I've noticed the same thing using Windows 11 for the last couple of months. I only decided to test Windows 11 since we only have about a year left of Windows 10 support if we don't want to pay extra. Window 11 in my experience is slower for all-around daily tasks as well as gaming. I don't have CPU or RAM-heavy workloads so I can't speak to that but for all of my needs Windows 11 is slower and more buggy in every way. I tested on 3 different PC both supported and non-supported hardware Intel and AMD and it's sluggish on all 3. I honestly don't know what to do as I depend on Windows for certain things.

[@paulwestphal7336]

I’ll put Vaseline on my next PC parts list. Thanks Microsoft

[@AdrienSetUp]

Thank you again. Maybe stupid questions but the result would be the same in 4K?

[@gobj007]

I've tested core isolation on win 11 24h2 7800x3d and 7800 xt. and saw no impact on the FPS in Cyberpunk 2077 and left it on. After your video i'll retest again 😊

[@sanji663]

Don't use Windows 11 that easy

[@mingo2812]

only in the prehistoric 1080p or also in the rest of the resolutions: 2k and 4k??

[@anthonyyoung9810]

I can confirm as a ryzen 5600/Rx 6700 10gb owner win 11 performance is weird. It's pretty good most of the time with the occasional slump in performance. I doubt it's as bad as the 7 and 9 series though. Great content as usual mate!

[@saricubra2867]

Ryzen 9s have so many cores and threads that i think the OS is basically irrelevant.

[@stevewatson6839]

Love the yellow walls! Another reason to go Tech YES City! 😉

[@someguy4849]

I dualboot Arch Linux and W11, Arch its a beast on speed, even de bloated W11 can't match its speed.

[@osinstalls]

I started with dual boot getting back to Linux gaming W11 definetly pushed me back. Nobara KDE, but on Arch based 2-3 years ago I used to use Manjaro and then ArcoLinux. Steam and Linux gaming has come a long way compared to back then. Debloating 10 and 11 on machines took a lot of time to keep up each update.

[@oberpenneraffe]

Arch Linux can't match the speed of OpenBSD on my PowerPC!

[@darukutsu]

​@@oberpenneraffeopenbsd has no software bro 💀

[@oberpenneraffe]

@@darukutsu OpenBSD can run every open source Linux software, just recompile it and you are good to go.

[@darukutsu]

@@oberpenneraffe with that attitude windows can run any linux software and viceversa

[@JussiTuukkanen]

Interesting, thank you, perfect timing ( for the viddeo )

[@blackmennewstyle]

Sadly at some point of time Windows 10 installer will probably stop working on most up-to-date hardware.

[@tstager1978]

VBS is a great security feature. They need to fix the issue. It shouldn't cost 30% performance.

[@stevejr777]

Maybe it’s because I added 30% more of spy and bloatear!

[@bobhadababyitsaboy5765]

so is W11 23H2 with Core Isolation OFF the same as Win11 with the update?

[@manuelf4942]

r5 3600 + 5600xt & W11+patch. Warzone 3 went from 90-100fps to about 100-120 fps , Battlefield 2042 has alot less stutters, and desktop feels much more responsive.

[@burrfoottopknot]

Wintel is a fitting name for win 11

[@S1nbadi0]

It’s just Poo, complete Poo, poo being flung around 😂😂 that is the most accurate description of Microsoft ever !!

[@baconn1ce]

I can't see memory integrity, under core isolation, I see "local security authority protection" and "microsoft vulnerable driver blocklist" im on 24h2 so has it changed?

[@WolvenSpectre]

I am wondering if the delta between 10 and 11 with Core Isolation and Scheduler optimizations is down to the disk encryption that Windows 11 uses? It would be interesting to see similar disk encryption on the Windows 10 platform would close the timing difference and if you disabled it on Windows 11 if it got that performance back.

[@crm4667]

Everyone says windows 10 is better, but what about 3d cpus? 5800x3d,7800x3d etc i have both and from what I've seen w11 has a 3d vcache scheduler while w10 does not. or at least it did not when I had it.

[@johnsonnguyen1374]

my question is, is it even better on win7, that's something I am curious to know.

[@himmelskibet]

Yes

[@Angmar3]

Microsoft is going full enshittification with Windows 11, I have no intention of moving from windows 10

[@firebornjohnny5]

when i go to my system and try to find core isolation, i get a message saying "The page you are trying to access has no supporter features and is not available"... this seems odd to me. I'm wondering if my computer is still being effected by this? its a Ryzen 5600(non-x) system with 3000ghz ram and a 5700XT, Windows 11 23H2. i dont know how viable going back to 10 would be since support is ending soon... and wondering how much a performance hit im leaving on the table staying on 11. and whether my current config even allows core isolation since that page isnt available win 10 definitely seemed more stable, ive had way more crashes on 11 but I also upgraded the cpu and gpu at that time so i wasnt quite sure what the issue was. welcoming any fellow nerds into the discussion, id love to hear if the community has some real knowledge here

[@Takeme_DCUO]

I noticed that yesterday, not supported anymore and a black screen behind it.