The Ancient Sith Lord That Designed Darth Vader's Fortress

[@NachoTeso]

Comics are made not only by the writer, but the artist too. Giuseppe Camuncoli is been killing it in this series from the beginning, he deserves a mention at least when you talk about the Darth Vader comic.

[@StarWarsExplained]

You are right. Camuncoli's art has been consistently awesome in this series. I'll make a better effort to credit him in the future!

[@NachoTeso]

@@StarWarsExplained happy to hear that. :-)

[@mitchellhayward6492]

If Charles Soule ever decides to tell us what Lord Momin's name was before he was a Sith, he should have the same name as the artist who actually designed Vader's Castle for Rogue One.

[@Ayrton_Chitwood]

You mean ralph mcquarrie? Cuz the design is originally from old mcquarrie pieces depicting the castle.

[@mitchellhayward6492]

I know that Mcquarrie did the original concept designs, but I was thinking whoever did the final design that was used for that movie. The Mon Calamari engineer from Rebels that designed the B-Wing prototype was named "Quarrie". Apparently, his name was inspired by Ralph's.

[@PerovNigma]

I wonder how the mask "told" Palpatine about this. Did it tell him The Tragedy of Lord Momin the Heretical, or did Palpatine wear it like an Oculus Rift and get _shown_ instead?

[@GingerPisces2023]

Now I picture Palpatine in his office dancing around with the mask on XDDDD

[@TylerCharlesFisher]

"I feel prettyyyyyy! Oh, so prettyyyyyyy!"

[@mitwhitgaming7722]

2:32 "To be or not to be Luke's father." 🤣

[@mcpics4448]

Mit Whit Gaming oh Shakespeare reference FTW

[@anthonyeaton9049]

Considering that Luke and Vader - as individual characters, in a father-son dynamic, and in their visual designs - draw a lot from Hamlet (the play, the titular prince, and his father), this frame [along with your caption] really hits home.

[@45TRANSFORMERSFAN]

Lord Momin: A Star Wars Story, directed by Charles Soule

[@TigerofRobare]

I remember hearing about this arc on Reddit and making a bunch of jokes about Vader having to deal with the Mustafar zoning board. I'm glad it's not so mundane.

[@mitchellhayward6492]

The "Fortress Vader" arc isn't finished yet.

[@markusairola]

2:42 "Are you my Momin?"

[@JazzyTyfighter]

I’m doing a series of drawings in the style of Genndy Tartakovsky’s Clone Wars of the many Dark Side Force wielders, so fully seeing Lord Momin in how he fights to how he learned to curse people would be amazing.

[@ArcturusOTE]

And the haters say canon got no good stories......

[@emilianoborro5]

The only things haters think about is the films but what can we do in the end haters gonna hate

[@AdmiralTNT531]

@D Bammstein And Wampas are sentient in Legends, what else is new?

[@sammywhite5127]

@@AdmiralTNT531 what weird about wampas is being sentient?

[@AdmiralTNT531]

@@sammywhite5127 What's weird is that what was originally portrayed as a mindless, ruthless, hungry wild animal is actually part of a society that performed regular organized attacks on the Rebel's base

[@TheRealRobertBlarg]

Canon has a lot of good stories. Personally, having spent years reading about Legends, I don't want to let go of it while reading new material. I understand that no matter what, Legends still exists as a separate continuity so it's not like it's ever really gone but still. I sort of combine Canon and Legends stories (which works pre-Original Trilogy for the most part). For instance, I've combined the old Clone Wars microseries, the canon Clone Wars series, and both Canon & Legends novels/comics. Sometimes there are inconsistencies such as the Battle of Haruun Kal from Legends versus Canon and how Depa Billaba is comatose but the Legends version is without a doubt superior. Shatterpoint is one of the BEST Star Wars novels IMO and the fact that Canon utilized the concept of Depa Billaba fighting in the battle and then going comatose but decided against the WAY more compelling premise of the battle in the first place is a shame. I don't want to go too deep into spoilers because I HIGHLY recommend people read the novel, but the way Depa is rendered comatose is awesome and far more fascinating than simply getting beaten by General Grievous. And while that was sort of it for Depa in Legends, I like the idea of her going on to waking and training Kanan as opposed to just remaining in the coma and presumably getting slaughtered at the Temple. It took some fancy headcanon writing to make Shatterpoint work with the Canon stuff (I basically wrote a short fanfic to bridge most of the inconsistencies) but for me, I love the outcome. I'm also doing the same for all the Clone Wars comics and other canon things. For instance, the comics had an amazing run with Quinlan posing as an agent of Dooku's and struggling with his allegiance which later got pseudo-adapted into canon with that Quinlan Vos/Asajj Ventress novel that came out but they present a lot of issues that I'll need to work out. I know that sort of... trying to balance Canon/Legends stories isn't always possible and gets less feasible the more and more Canon material releases that ends up contradicting Legends elements but when that inevitably occurs. I may just ignore certain Legends stories in favor of the Canon stories if I find the Canon depiction of an event superior OR I'll consider the Legends story part of my headcanon and ignore the canon story. But whenever possible, I like to marry the two. It's all Star Wars and I love it all. That said, this basically becomes impossible post-ROTJ where things divert way too much. I've seen some people trying to make Ben Solo work alongside Jacen, Jaina, and Anakin Solo and oof... does that not work IMO but hey, the same way my system doesn't work for everyone I say, more power to them!

[@danielcharland1374]

I'm just glad to see more specifics about ancient sith in cannon again. The temple on Malacor was cool, but we didn't learn much. Only other cannon thing related to this, that I can remember, is the clone wars episode when yoda goes to Koriban "cough" I mean Moroban. Now we finally have a name of what looks to be an interesting character. Ancient sith have always been one of my favorite parts of Star Wars, so I'm excited to see this.

[@tjt6071]

Fascinating origin of how his fortress was created. Still need to give that Darth Vader comic a read!

[@mitchellhayward6492]

2:42. Holy Sith, that's bad-ass!

[@lcm361]

On that scene, Vader is having a vision of / remembering the past, but as soon as little Annie turns we see that he is forgetting who he was... awesome indeed

[@auntvesuvi3872]

I loved this issue! 😊 I'm glad your video also showed the excerpts from the Lando comic.

[@michaelcachela5118]

😮 Oh wow! I really need to get back to my STAR WARS comic reading. The Lando miniseries comic is also one of my favorites and I just love learning more about ancient SW history, Jedi and Sith. This is awesome!

[@Burning-Twilight]

The way this helmet works reminds me of the Lich Kings crown from WOW. Nearly all get taken over but some with strong enough will can resist control.

[@tonyjake8931]

Cool. I forgot that the mask had been seen before. Only thing I was slightly disappointed with was that the architect was killed off as quickly as she was. She seemed like a cool character that they were giving some personality to so would have liked her to stay around for a little while. That is one thing that I think this series is missing that Gillen's Vader series had is that we don't have an original character that becomes a key figure throughout the run like Aphra did in the first Vader run.

[@hoopoverthehill]

Total awesome story ark. Very impressed with all of the Darth Vader comics. never disappoints at all.

[@PBuffdaddy00]

This comic series has been absolutely incredible. I can't wait for the new issue to come to learn more.

[@DragonFruitXVI]

I'm glad sith live past death in other ways.

[@darthtroller]

Can Snoke be living in his dark ring?

[@EM-lz4rb]

@@darthtroller interesting question.

[@evrint]

Possibly. He might've gotten the horcrux idea from Lord Voldemort at villain-con XD

[@mitchellhayward6492]

I wouldn't exactly say this is "living" past death, so much as "leaving a mark", or a tainted fingerprint. I *love* the idea that unlimited power and immortality is something that Sith can't achieve, specifically because that's what they crave, and what they're working towards when they do such terrible things. It's a perfect twist of irony. And it's a prize that even the Jedi can't achieve, except for a select few, for exactly the opposite reasons. At the same time, I still like the idea that Sith can leave behind some kind of "imprint", even if it isn't really their consciousness. I like to think that their emotions and power have become so intertwined and so terribly strong, that it can outlive both their physical bodies and their consciousness - as if their spirits had somehow lived on.

[@DarthVenomuss]

Essence transfer? Or like in a holocron. Or horcrux lol

[@1-eyed-jedi]

Very Nice! Great Video!

[@mikeparker5792]

I love this Vader comic series, it's been awesome so far. I can't wait for the next issue, it sucks we gotta wait a month until next issue.

[@ATATChat]

Very interesting with possessed masks. I hope this is all leading towards something heavy regarding the force in the sequel trilogy. Thanks for the video!

[@GAdmThrawn]

Why do you think that this has ties to the Sequel Trilogy?

[@ATATChat]

Easy, it's been speculated that the darkside resides in Darth Vaders helmet, the one Kylo has. And it could be showing him visions. Seems highly similar to the ST. Plus, objects retain remnants of it's history: Luke's lightsaber.

[@GAdmThrawn]

One, it's been speculated by fans. That doesn't mean that it's fact. There's been no indication that is what the helmet is for. It's just as likely that the helmet is just that: a helmet that Kylo Ren has been obsessing over and has been talking to (until recently). Two, while an object may retain a psychometric link to a person or thing only those who are trained or gifted are able to read them. Quinlan Vos is a great example of a person who was not only gifted with the ability but was trained to use it as a means to track down wanted criminals or be a spy. If Luke's lightsaber retained remnants of its history then why did Rey see her past (being abandoned on Jakku) and her future (the forest on Starkiller Base and seeing Kylo Ren there)? It's more likely that she experienced a Force vision through the lightsaber as the Force has the ability to do that. "Through the Force, other places you will see: the future, the past, old friends long gone." - Yoda, ESB.

[@Brospokenerd424]

Reminds me of Tulak Hord’s armor, and Kind Ominn from legends.

[@latina_fangirl]

2:43 It'd be cool to see Force Ghost Anakin like that.

[@mittensfastpaw]

This is what we need more of.

[@Bayofthe91st]

Lord Momin..aka Darth Suomi, architect of Finland

[@vincentt2309]

Bayofthe91st only Finn can understand the joke...

[@spencersholden]

It took me way to long to find this video. Can you put these videos in a playlist?

[@Jonathan_Mallon]

The helmet was the thing that drew me to the sith lord cause it’s such a cool looking design I think

[@evrint]

Thanks for the video, I hope you hit 500k by the end of the year (who knows? maybe...)

[@kaidenflynn878]

One one the best Momins in Star Wars history you say? ;) Lol, great videos as always :)

[@MrValkilmer35]

Dang I need to read this comic.

[@mayoandthensome5322]

2:26 Star Wars Shakespeare, OUT DAMNED REBEL, OUT I SAY!

[@ArcturusOTE]

Also will you cover the Muur Talisman of Legends?

[@GAdmThrawn]

I think he already has.

[@TerraStone]

Best comic ever

[@UraiFen44444444]

Nice Video :)

[@terrenceseidman2587]

This Momin mask looks to be interesting yeah a ancient sith lord influenced your castle!!! Momin needs a short movie. Random we need a movie about the first great Schism.

[@isd_chimaera8335]

I have never been this early to any youtube video.

[@3710stormwolf]

What are your thoughts on the fact that this issue confirms that this was Vaders idea and that it conflicts with the RO Visual Dictionary that says Palpatine built it for him and forced him to live there.

[@TrueToneMaps]

I have a question for the next Q&A that I think a lot of people would be interested in your thoughts on... what do you think would happen hundreds or thousands of years in the future after episode IX? We have good prequels that take place thousands of years before, and something a long time after shouldn't cause too many conflicts with the canon story line.

[@whogg0521]

I need to catch up on my Vader book. Been slacking.

[@fixation9281]

Awesome issue!

[@VladBordones]

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[@j.moon98]

Is he, by any chance, named after Stuart Immonen?

[@sierravortec2629]

Very interesting

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

Both Lord Momin and Darth Bane’s helmet designs are very similar. Coincidence maybe? Or maybe the same era.

[@AxeManOfSuburbia]

I have a question Do you think all this stuff is REALLY cannon? They say these comics are cannon because that sells, but when it comes to making the movies do you think Disney really cares about sticking to this lore? Do you think they would avoid contradicting this even if it meant throwing out other good movie ideas?

[@Burning-Twilight]

It is but it's usually not treated as a big deal in the movies. For instance the compass Luke used to find Ach to from Battlefront II can be briefly seen in Episode 8.

[@FPalace]

Death Vader is the best comic Marvel has right now. 👏🏽

[@willhuey4891]

mustafar is also where anakin was burned in the climax of episode 3

[@weldonthomson]

Interesting that people are calling it a "Mask", rather than a helmet, and its got me wondering how this might have started in the real world. Interesting that, in TLJ, Snoke refers to Kylo Ren as a child "in a Mask". It might be telling that a "helmet" connotes headwear that is protective, whereas "mask" connotes hiding something. Maybe, Snoke thought of it as a mask for a reason? Momen's helmet was also a centerpiece in Palpatine's collection of artifacts, similar to the way Vader's helmet has become a centerpiece for Kylo Ren, who communicates with it/draws guidance from it as Palpatine and Vader did Momen's. Interesting, even if not relevant, that the real world name, Momen, has Arabic roots meaning believer, one who believes or who is faithful. Also, the condition of Lord Momen's helmet, as depicted in most of the artwork, is heavily battle scarred - much like Snoke's head? In some of the comic art, Momen's collar style is also similar to Snoke's. Maybe they share a style sense? Draw from this what you will. If all this stuff is coming together in the films, it could be rather interesting.

[@nickvinsable3798]

I’m more worried about seeing that mask in “Star Wars”: Episode 9 & more.

[@revanknightjedi172]

It must make Connections to the old republic

[@sergioagain8]

Nice.

[@omicronthelordofdestructio485]

Connected to Snoke maybe?

[@DarthKorrin]

the mask ? I thought that creepy ass vision he had was just his conscience

[@harrysmith1711]

The helm is somewhat reminiscent of the one worn by Kylo Ren. Momin, for all his heresy, was certainly a trend setter as well as a grand designer. What other objects of his creation lie in wait across the galaxy? And considering how his 'mask' pops up so often in the canon nowadays, is it only a matter of time before we see a hero, or villain, or some damned odd fool poking around where they shouldn't be, dons Momins legacy on the big or small screen?

[@angrycity]

How about we see this as Kylo Ren’s new mask?! That would be incredible

[@sam.e.a6422]

Don't think that would work, unless they establish that kylo is so powerful in the dark side that he can resist being possessed.

[@theSpartan187]

Calling it now, he was bane's apprentice

[@Burning-Twilight]

Unlikely from how he is described it seems unlikely he would follow someone like Bane.

[@DarthVenomuss]

Lord Commander Momen..wait

[@bobbylolol396]

Impressive most

[@malphasblackwing420]

My only issue is this... they couldn’t have thought of a better name than Momin

[@KingOfLesbia]

Vader gets a knock on the door 2 missionaries wearing bike helmets and black name plates standing outside say can we intrest you in the book of momon *cough* I mean mormon

[@lukerope1906]

Are they going to bring back Dark Side specters? I've always like the idea that Dark Side users can't become Force ghosts, but could still survive beyond death of their physical bodies. Neither truly living, but not one with the Force either.

[@sammywhite5127]

You just described a force ghosts after saying you like the idea that they can't become Force ghosts, Sith not being able to become ghosts was one of the stupidest things TCW did and it did a lot of stupid things especially since Sith ghosts had been prevalent in a lot of major stories it was just a pointlessly stupid contradiction that made no sense

[@lukerope1906]

@@sammywhite5127 Actually a Force ghost, is a Light Side users spirit that has crossed over to the nether world of the Force, or become one with the Force. But has retained their individual consciousness, which allows them to interact with physical material world. As I understand it, there are two realms within the Force, the Cosmic Force and the Living Force. When a Light Side user dies they are translated from the Living Force to the Cosmic Force. But due to the nature of the Dark Side, users of it cannot become Force ghosts. Either because they do not become apart of the Cosmic Force, or because the living Force does not allow them to return. So a Dark Side specter, would be more like a traditional ghost so to speak, in that they haunt an item or location. Their spirit would not be apart of the Living Force nor the Cosmic Force, so not truly living nor one with the Force.

[@sammywhite5127]

@@lukerope1906 no until TCW there was no established difference between a light side Force ghost and a dark side Force ghost then TCW came along and did it TCW thing wrecking balling through the established continuity making a humongous mess because for some reason they didn't just say that it was a separate continuity

[@lukerope1906]

@@sammywhite5127 And why would TCW be a separate continuity? Like it or not TCW was George Lucas's creation, and he being the creator of Star Wars could do whatever the heck he wanted. And he didn't want Dark Side users to become ghosts like Jedi could.

[@sammywhite5127]

@@lukerope1906 I don't see what any of that has to do with what I said TCW contradicts existing Cannon therefore it should not be considered part of the same continuity I don't see the problem with putting it in a separate continuity with just it and the films

[@MuhammadTarik]

Lol its too common in our country to make people name Momin :D

[@callsignbard6655]

Cool

[@paulthomas7243]

It's funny This sith Lord is not even mentioned or voted on in a top 10 sith or sith Lords being Great for what they did

[@Daniel-Strain]

Man, after extensive Wookiepedia research and summaries, it is unclear what ended up happening to the mask. Was it destroyed when the Emperor's ship was destroyed, or did someone take it with them?

[@razvandobos9759]

This is why Sith are better than Jedi.

[@starwars90001]

Can we be glad that their finally showing stuff about the sith, for the main bad guys of Star Wars we know next to nothing about them in canon expect probably evil.

[@elijahwatson3474]

It make sense since they was forgotten and relics lost through time. Now we see through the eyes of a young Sith about the history of their order.

[@lukerope1906]

Is no one going to talk about the creepy 9 year old Anakin who's face looks likes Vader's mask????

[@RATPT0I]

A Sith lord?

[@thomassmart4088]

Sith architects lol

[@themarkktv]

Darth Quitect

[@voladisco]

Why so little views?

[@darthtroller]

665 likes, one more to go

[@Militarizedband]

Is George Lukas considered a fallen Jedi in canon since his sculpture is part of the lost 20?

[@mitwhitgaming7722]

No, because he is also the Pantoran senator.

[@Centurian128]

Mit Whit Gaming Irrelevant. If a physical appearance can manifest multiple times on earth without a familial connection, how many times do you thing such a thing can happen across millennia and light years?

[@ArcturusOTE]

Well he is a rather controversial figure within Star Wars, so ye, I guess so

[@sampines5494]

Mit Whit Gaming Actually, he’s Pantora’s chairman, not its senator.

[@emilianoborro5]

Really? I have never noticed it and by the way i think that those 20 guys where jedi masters whom left the order not necessarily fallen jedi

[@xanderdelport8968]

Explant hehehe😈

[@forknifecapt.2410]

Me: watches a star wars video or clip Recommended videos: why star wars sucks now!!

[@emdeda2018]

Hello there

[@99waterblade]

General Kenobi!