The Apple Vision Pro will flop, and here's why

[@WhatAboutZoidberg]

Near $4,000 after tax, wow. Courage.

[@Slurpy2k8]

Shows they have confidence in the problem, unlike companies who sell cheap shit, at a loss even, cause they know the product is not worth a damn.

[@arbiter1]

​@@Slurpy2k8 Or its just Apple thinking cause it has their name on it people will drop stupid amounts of money on an item that is marginally better and locked in to their ecosystem. they know good % of their buyers have more money then brains.

[@bruxi78230]

@@arbiter1 ------ You have a choice, you can spend less money, get a vastly inferior product and store it in your drawer like most people do with Oculus. It's up to you, nobody cares.

[@tea.23]

I really don’t understand the hype around these vr glasses thingy. Its so gimmicky and unpractical and straight up useless for most people. I hope it flops so hard, we do need to touch grass.

[@MacTX]

It's interesting that you mention iPhone moment. I'm more impressed with Apple Vision Pro version 1 than I was with iPhone version 1. People forget just how crude that thing was. It was barely better than the Blackberries at the time but it did things different. Things that were more geared towards normies, basic things that people take for granted today. At the announcement of the iPhone, the vast majority of people did not think much of it. I imagine Blackberry probably didn't consider it real competition, by the time they realized how much of a competition it would be, it was too late for them. At the time, the industry was well behind Blackberry. People thought that first iPhone was too expensive and that being locked to ATT was going to the be the death of it. Those first couple versions were pretty rough, didn't change an industry overnight. I'm a techie and didn't buy one till iPhone 4. That's when I thought it was polished enough. I remember how interested everyone at work (normies) were with it. It took a lot of refinement and sunset of that ATT exclusivity before I saw it really take off and become the ubiquitous device it is today. The Oculus was the Blackberry ushering in the faux "smartphone" moment that wasn't real.

[@mattmacknight3000]

Don’t even know if the first two iPhones (gen 1 and 3G were even better than blackberry’s…) but I totally agree with the analogy. For a gen 1 product CATEGORY I was insanely impressed. The flaws or issues or down sides will get worked out long before I can afford one anyways 🤣

[@soberanisfam1323]

You wish

[@Official_Rz]

Impressed? 😂 They're making an overpriced VR headset with tech that had existed for years at this point. This is no gen 1 iPhone moment, nor is it impressive.

[@RichardPlaysStuff]

It's like the price barrier for VR wasn't high enough so Apple had to swoop in

[@peach1516]

The price? I'm just a kid and There is no amount of money someone could pay me to use or promote Apple Vision. I don't want VR even if it costed $0. People are already tech addicted enough, and it's like people are loosing their ability to critically think. Aren't you adults tired of glass screens yet? Are you all paid to comment and promote Apple Vision... or do most of you actually think Apple Vision is somehow a good thing for humanity? I'm Gen Z and I'm CRAZY and I'm stupid, and I don't need more tech addiction. I need real life, real friends, and people who can help me be sane and grounded. I'm not talking about therapists, I mean Real friends that actually care and *aren't paid*. How about we make a nature focused culture in America, where people are taught to speak to people in real life, we leave the tech at home, we have real life forums with quality conversation, real hugging, and open debate. I want a culture where REAL life is the best reality. *I'm just a kid*, so I can't do much. I need your help to actually Make a Good Future.

[@sebastiansanhueza9601]

Really missing your content, dude, and I'm happy you're undertaking several important changes in order to move forward. Just remember that moving on doesn't necessarily entail burning everything that came before. I've made that mistake in the past and, well, I don't regret it, but I now believe it wasn't the only way. Make sure of thinking twice everything you think you have to leave behind before making the jump into the unknown: you can move on while neatly storing your past for the benefit of 50-years-old Izzy. Other than that, good luck!

[@oscarfriberg7661]

I think the iPhone moment is a false equivalence. When iPhone launched cellphones had been a widely established market for a decade. Most people already had a cellphone. Difference was that this one did things a bit differently which customers ended up liking. The doubting was based on whether Apple could overcome market leaders like Nokia. Turns out they did. VR/AR has been a niche market for over a decade. I fail to see how Apple would be able to break VR/AR out of its niche market, especially with a device at this price point.

[@Septer_Sever]

When did your audio quality become so bad...I don't remember that.

[@TheIzzyNobreShow]

It's due to the room being so empty :(

[@jonamachado]

I thought it was my earphones lol

[@dxd42]

The external Display is a waste of money. Ok, others can see your eyes, this is a marginal benefit for a feature that surely is increasing a lot in the final cost. I had a Quest 2, the most interesting feature was the merged reality, that you don't need to remove the Oculus to see through it, also they did a decent work on mapping the room technology and merging the room in the virtual scene. The "weak point "of Quest 2 on this was black and white merging reality and the resolution, they should improve the maximum in this, and not waste in external display.

[@TheIzzyNobreShow]

No to mention, uses more battery, too!

Maybe their vision (pun intended) with the external display is trying to do something like people did with Airpods, specially the Pro and the 3s that have this passthrough thing, that some people wear them all the time even if not listening to content. If I remember correctly the 3s even detect that you're talking with someone then lowers the volume of your content and raises the volume from it's microphone so you can hear the other party better.

[@seppeseppe-jq7nr]

your audio failed too 😂😂😂

[@Balc0ra]

I definitly think it will sell way less than they expect. Much as Sonys VR2 headset did vs what they expected. As when it costs more than the PS5 itself in some regions. Then is not for everyone. And with a price tag of a super high end gaming PC with money to spare? Well.

[@peach1516]

To be completely honest I hope Apple Vision doesn't sell at all. I'm just a kid, but can't you adults see this AR/VR is NOT good for me? I haven't had much human contact for the past 3 years, and it is NOT my choice, People have really gotten so tech addicted and anti-social that I haven't been hugged since like 2019. I KNOW I think different than most people my age. I'm Gen Z. I'm crazy. Please Cancel Apple Vision.

[@kianghy7930]

Everyone: Put down your phone and see the real world in front of you. Apple: Put the whole iphone on your head and talk to the person in front of you via the goggle.

[@rafabulsing]

The eyes thing on the Vision Pro is proof that Apple is terribly misguided regarding VR/AR It's like if Tesla's new car model came with a parachute. You can argue that it's not a hindrance, even if it is useless... but its mere presence shows they don't understand the product

[@Slurpy2k8]

Can you explain your word salad comment? Genuinely curious, I can't make heads or tails of it. What "don't they understand" in your opinion? This seems by far the most realized vision of AR/VR, so pls enlighten me. Who understands it better? Facebook? Google? Microsoft? What products out today are superior to this, or even in the same universe? Be specific.

[@rafabulsing]

Sure, i can spell it out for you. They're pitching this as less of a straight VR headset and more of a Google Glass type product that you use around other people. You know, that thing that was much more unobtrusive and people were still very weirded out by. The only way the eyes screen makes sense is that they're pitching this same use case. Which is completely ridiculous to think that it would work, considering the form factor. All the current headsets are better for gaming, because they include a controller. Lack of controller = no access to pretty much any of the existing VR games. The lack of controllers, I believe, will also greatly limit the professional uses for it, as hand gestures will never match the speed of simple button presses (though the apparently excellent passthrough makes this more evenly matched). Is that specific enough for you?

[@Gatitasecsii]

@@rafabulsing No... I don't think you're getting the point. I guess gamers are just too narrow-minded and can only think of games all day every day. Who cares if you have controllers or not, this device is controlled with gestures anyway, it could probably even simulate a keyboard, but I doubt you wouldn't be able to hook one up somehow. And I do agree with you, the eyes thing is ridiculous, wasteful and creepy and would be better off removed, but to be honest the device itself looks like it's going to be great, even if too expensive.

[@rafabulsing]

@@Gatitasecsii did you even read my comment to the end, or did you just quit halfway through? I specifically mention professional uses. Hand gestures are cool to have, and will probably be most useful in AR applications when you are interacting with the real world and using the headset as more of a simple HUD, and you don't want to be picking up and putting down controllers. But for actual creative work, 3D modeling, design, etc, the ease and speed of a controller is absolutely going to be greater than with simple hand tracking. There's no getting around that. Ignoring those use cases is making it DOA for a big part of many possible workflows VR/AR.

[@Gatitasecsii]

@@rafabulsing Again, I don't think they wouldn't allow you to hook up Apple branded peripherals, but even then I disagree, most you would need is a pen, and yet another thing, this is a first generation product. Did the ipad have a pen when it first came out? No. The pen made it hundreds of times better than it was, so I can see apple making something like it for the Vision. In any case, I don't care about apple, I just want other companies to make a product like it but much better and less expensive.

[@Dee_Lopez]

Hey bro anxiously waiting for the new content videos of Brazil and the other handhelds you have to review. Appreciate all your hard work. Can’t wait for more

[@TheIzzyNobreShow]

Thank you so much for your support!

[@Gatitasecsii]

I think you're kinda missing the point, dude. With this device you wouldn't need to even have monitors or TVs. I used to think like you, what's the point of doing spreadsheets in a device like this, but when I bought my nReal Airs, my whole perspective changed when I could start using them for work, and many other things. Just think about it, the device costs 3500 dollars, but that's how much you'd need to pay for an M2 equipped device + monitors + peripherals, among other things I'm not considering. I think this is the future, and even though it's expensive as hell, I would definitely hope other brands get in on this, like samsung and lenovo, to make the prices more bearable, with almost the same functionality.

[@TheIzzyNobreShow]

Interesting you should mention the nReal Airs. I have a pair I've yet to review!

[@soberanisfam1323]

Having a heavy headset for 8 plus hours a day is a niche thing.

[@Bw899804]

Apple Virtual Boy

[@neonswift]

What a silly take.... If you get it isn't for everyone what exactly does flop mean? It's clearly not for the general audience, it's an early adopter /specialist product. It's also not just a unit it's also a computer so the cost makes sense. What is flop is the context of what this product actually is?

[@TheIzzyNobreShow]

A flop would be, in this case, the product selling far less than expected, or not attracting enough developers.

[@soberanisfam1323]

You dont know what a flop means?

[@neonswift]

@@soberanisfam1323 my God. Or course I do. But what in earth does this guy know about what a flop is in the context of this particular product? Its what my message stated. You can't just claim something is going to be a flop when you're not even aware of its expected sales outcome. It's clear this product isn't for the masses. Context.

[@pippers8349]

The most wild thing about the release video: Dad's watching stuff he recorded of his kids......where are the actual kids in that scene? Idk but something about this device to ME, is just unsettling tbh.

[@evilkate9884]

In reality he will be playing or watching series and forgetting about his kids.

That was the most depressing part of it for me, kids trying to see their dad and seeing this uncanny projection of his eyes.

[@FilmTrekk]

100% agreed fam

[@dudusantos345]

I don't think this will be the boom of mixed reality, but I do think that someday it will be common to have a device like this to experience your daily life, adding some augmented reality it could display adds, people could have avatars like in vr chat and maybe we could replace screens and do somethings that you would have to use your cellphone. But I don't think it will happen whenever these gadgets keep being so huge and goofy, they will need to look like common glasses or sunglasses, like a hyper advanced Google glass.

[@peach1516]

Hey I'm just a kid and I think AR / VR is psychologically destructive and should not be common at all. I'm Gen Z, I'm stupid, I'm already tech addicted enough. I don't see enough adults calling to Cancel Apple Vision for the sake of the youth. I want people to be focused on real people and real friends again. I want the classic Steve Jobs Apple to return with a *balanced* use of technology. This tech addicted world does NOT have to stay like this. Do any of you adults remember Think Different?

[@trevordorey4689]

Izzy! Good to see you making content man. I’m the opposite of an expert on this, but I have been interested in this device and have been reading / watching videos here and there. I’m not sure they are designing this for the enterprise audience. I get the sense that as a first gen device that has been announced well-ahead of its release date, they’re targeting early adopters, and more so, developers who, can start working with what they know about the capabilities now. This means when the future, perhaps more affordable version comes out in the future, it will be ready with additional (non-homework targeted) functionality. As I understand it, it has only basic Apple apps, much like the first iPhone did when it came out. Thoughts?

[@ardhimaslazuardi7554]

idk but your voice seems echoing alot during the video but not sure if it's just me

[@TheIzzyNobreShow]

It is! It's due to the fact that my studio is so empty. My voice is reverberating against the walls.

[@DenisBelo]

@@TheIzzyNobreShow yeah, but it looks like the mic was off, and your voice was captured by the camera's mic. But it might be only the echo, idk.

[@ardhimaslazuardi7554]

@@TheIzzyNobreShow i see but i'm still loving the content though, keep at it!!!

[@JagGentlemann]

I don't see the point on putting on something in your face to see photos and write a document.

[@biglevian]

I think Apple will succeed eventually with this, but not in the first gen. t he name Vision Pro suggests that there will be a Vision, maybe without the integrated computer (and that front facing display), that you can use with your iphones/ipads/macbooks etc. Since you already are teathered to the battery, why not. it's then "just" 1500 to 2000 Dollar which is way more in line with high end vr headsets, like the quest pro or valve index. It'd be more interesting for a lot of people that way, since you have a primary device you are always carrying and just jump into VR/AR when needed. The Pro feels like an always on thing. Also I hope they figure out a way to make it way smaller, more akin to the xreal glasses, but still offering the tracking that this has. I doubt a lot of people will sit in public with the Vision Pro.

[@caioborges6176]

The audio is really bad and background music worse. I love the content

[@Zinkolo]

Bro wtf happened to your audio equipment? It used to be so good

[@genericascanbe3728]

Where did you go? Will you return?

[@cymoncatalano9933]

Its good hearing youre view on emerging technology and would be interested in seeing your take on X real's spacial display ar glasses with the beam coming out. Definitely a more consumer friendly price, if vision pros are the valve index of ar, x real has the quest.

[@burnzy3210]

WOW I cannot wait to do exciting things like watch video, look at pictures and browse the web... _but in AR for $3500_

[@diddymies]

its a literally macbook powerhouse on ur nose. Its just not AR.

[@Slurpy2k8]

You can't do a shitload more than that, but keep being dishonest.

[@Gatitasecsii]

@@diddymies it's a full computer with a massive display. Imagine having a few 100 inch OLED screens and an M2 macbook pro wherever you go. Just buy a juicy power bank and put it in a backpack and you have top notch powerful computing wherever you go. Now, I genuinely hate apple and how greedy they are, but this is undeniably the future. Wait until a better company copies apple, and you can get an equally performing headset for 2000, or less performing ones but much cheaper.

[@robotron07]

@@Gatitasecsii this is absolutely the future and is already here if apple does not push it many will ..is already a done deal the tech is here ,AI is here ,,there is actually nothing to hold it back

[@soberanisfam1323]

​@@diddymiesop ain't wrong

[@lucarosania1358]

I guess Apple could always get away with the price and battery life as they always do... but the cable hanging behind your head? For such a premium product? I would really love to see how this thing can actually be useful

[@SIRICKO]

LMFAO dude you have no idea the real meaning behind this. lol

[@famnyblom6321]

I am not a big Apple fan myself, but this device has some potential to replace an entire computer setup. This will not be a popular gaming device but it will be a popular portable workspace.

[@Nico-rw2tl]

It is certainly not this device that will replace a conventional computer, not to mention its price...

[@famnyblom6321]

@@Nico-rw2tl if you want to buy a computer with an M2 chip with a huge screen you'll end up with a very high price. In addition, with this device you can get that huge screen even when working on a plane or a train. You can have the same setup when working from home as in the office etc. The only downside is that you will look like you're going scuba diving 😅

[@Damian-cilr2]

@@Nico-rw2tl it would replace phones better,still not great,not great battery life,and the fact that its entirely made of aluminum or whatever metal,making it heavy and practically useless,the price is completely overkill

[@Damian-cilr2]

@@famnyblom6321 and the fact that you have to plug it into an outlet every chance you get as its supposedly got 2 hours of battery life...yikes Also not to mention it being heavy.

[@ethangilbert7305]

@@Damian-cilr2bruh it weighs less than the quest 2. People should quit shitting on the weight even though it’s industry standard weight

[@wolfieseven2360]

There’s no way you’re using the audio from your Rode lav.

[@ri4906]

What kind of potatoe mic are you using?

[@english3082]

Where are you from?

[@thalescardris812]

🇧🇷

[@GbinVR]

It won't be able to compete when the quest 3 comes out since the quest 3 has mixed reality and actual games

[@targetrender9529]

Please do more emulation portable reviews!!

[@djishinelive]

I just don't feel like people are truly ready for a VR experience on a regular day to day basis (along with the coming liabilities) and the price is way too high lol

[@TheIzzyNobreShow]

To be fair, the Apple Vision Pro isn't exactly VR -- it's more like AR, which I feel might be easier for people to get into (if the device wasn't so ludicrously priced!)

[@bigmagictent]

Sounds like the same people who said iPhone would fail because it has no physical keyboard and sold for $1000

[@Septer_Sever]

Yeah, artificial scarcity is Apple's forte.

[@jamiebeckf]

Imagine being the person who actually buys one. HAAAHHAAAAHAAAA What a ****. Its a flop already.

[@legitenoughtoquit]

I think it sounds cool.

[@TheKwilliam]

I think they're trying to go from selling to devs and then to customers with a cheaper one. I guess you want them to go the other way but you know Apple never goes cheap first.

[@TheKwilliam]

They should've just said this is dev/enterprise but Apple has plenty of customers who buy whatever they make.

[@ethangilbert7305]

@@TheKwilliamI mean, they announced it at the WWDC and only let developers try it out. It should have been pretty clear😂

[@TheKwilliam]

@@ethangilbert7305 You right, but when has that ever stopped Apple fanboys.

[@robotron07]

I know tons of peopel that would spend 3-4 K on a pair of shoes, a musical instrument,sports tickets,memorabilia,cars and so on ,,,of course it will sell like "candy" ,remenber people buy all those things because they give them satisfaction pleasure and something to forget the ever monotony and misery of tedious work,crappy economy,frustrating relationships,not being able to buy or do what you want ...if this thing is really " a machine that makes you believe that your dreams come true" ,trust me people will pay even more for it ,why would i save for a 15 day vacation slaving and saving money for it while I know it will be days that feel like hours , when I can go anywhere I want everyday without money constrains ? I am 100% confident this is the future and apple will lead it ,Oculus and the rest will sink really really quick and in spectacular fashion if they can not offer the same level of realism that apple vision arguably can

[@philo441]

Nice content but fix your audio bro

[@themaniac5864]

Vai ser grande flop 🤣 não traz nada de novo, não traz grandes novidades além de algumas gymics, o facto de durante toda a apresentação estar lá o cabo... BRO WTF com o cabo? Para a bateria? WHAAAAAAT? 2FKING horas para uma bateria externa? 🤦

[@Drew-zp8dp]

i am watching from the Xreal air which are mixed reality glasses that are $379

[@japanesemickeymouse6694]

why is izzy still doing this haha

[@rororoi1]

You are on a good path to be right.

[@SUCRA]

On point. Way too much money.

[@MaxPowers1245]

you need a decent microphone I know that much

[@Carlosdesignergrafico]

i recommend adobe podcast to improve your audio.

[@John_Q]

Typical Apple cash grab.

[@Ricky_Moreira]

Took a wile for me to figure I was watching you in English 😂. Tá com Ecco mas acho q vc percebeu. Pelo jeito tá vendeu tudo 😅

[@M_AbdullahArif]

apple keeps pushing the envelope....of pricing because people keep coughing up the cash, before 2018 nobody could imagine a phone costing more than a laptop i.e 1000+ usd and yet apple was the first one to price a phone above 1k and now everyone does it , had people boycotted apple we'd have cheaper phones , same will be the case here with this VR gadget ....

[@crust9731]

Dude why you steal woody??

[@chibonchibon3967]

I almost always agree with izzy but this one

[@SpikeTheWolf]

I'll buy that for a dollar

[@agprime]

Surprise mo+-%r f-+=&r it will have a lightning port. 😂😂😂😂

[@mvbs64]

Coloca legenda em inglês.

[@rebelcrusader9973]

A comment section is not complete without having a Brazlian complaining about audio language our subtitles.

[@mvbs64]

@@rebelcrusader9973 KKKKKKKKKKKK not this case, I only ask to put subtitles in english.

[@Blackboit1966]

I have been watching since 2019.

[@Gatitasecsii]

Ok so Apple hater here. And for some reason I hope it DOESN'T flop. I definitely won't be buying it now or ever, but I NEED this AR space to be filled up with something... and if apple succeeds at something, every other company under the sun will follow suit, which means other brands could come out with new cheaper devices like it, ones that don't waste resources on an outward facing oled screen... Or ones that have the processing power in a backpack with a huge battery that I would gladly carry around for that experience.

[@noway8233]

Apple just show a use case of a vr headset: make yuor room yuor reality and yuor operating system Then , yuo can load aplications like a movie , excel or a real inmersive vr exprience aka a game ,interesting device ...but i dont think people gone spend 3,5 k in puting a headset and do the same that they do now with there Mac (off course, first buyers are the fans), after all ,Apple just ener in the Hype of VR , and this device is just another headset , another hype , for the price , will fail (and for the use case , fail too), VR and this headset is very antisocial, very distopic

[@TheLordblackader]

Your audio is really bad. Do some editing and try again.

[@fu102]

For enterprise applications, it would sell a ton in contracts in bulk, for larger companies. As for the use case, its for engineers and assemblers. They keep the docs and blueprints floating in their periphery while they work. Its not for normal people and excel. This is how the hololens is still in use and actually made revisions that most people dont even know about.

[@TheIzzyNobreShow]

I just wonder why the presentation focused so much on consumer functionalities.

[@Gatitasecsii]

@@TheIzzyNobreShow because they're obviously gonna try to make the average consumer also excited for the product. Just because it is a PRO device doesn't mean regular people can't go out of their way to buy it. And I agree with others here, there will most definitely be an Apple Vision Air in the future that will be much more stripped down and marginally cheaper for the average consumer, then they will release the Apple Vision which will be borderline useless and just a tiny bit cheaper than the Air, but it will sell Oh so well. Anyway the point is not Apple, the point is the other companies that will definitely copy apple and do much better and more reasonable, and cheaper.

[@robotron07]

@@TheIzzyNobreShow because VR AR will become your second life and probably for many their main life ,this is apple saying that you can leave this reality in live in the digital one with nothing to hold you back , the message was clear even though it was "subtle"

[@robotron07]

@@TheIzzyNobreShow because VR AR will become your second life and probably for many their main life ,this is apple saying that you can leave this reality in live in the digital one with nothing to hold you back , the message was clear even though it was "subtle"

[@soberanisfam1323]

Having a heavy headset on for 8 hours a day does not sound comfortable at all

[@Keiken209]

they will launch stupid overpriced controllers in a year or less and make it pcvr compatible. mark my words.

[@tanookimarketing]

Still going to be successful as hell. And I'm buying one. Not everything needs to be a perfect value proposition. Sometimes people who have money just like to buy cool toys. They made a premium product with a premium price tag. Cope, ya'll. You're not the primary demographic for every single product in the world.

[@doommaker4000]

Imagine commenting just to flex your money XD

[@robotron07]

I am sold also I cant wait to get a ticket away from this ever increasingly gloomier reality we live in ,and change it for one in the digital realm , I believe most people feels the same way,people spends thousands in a pair of sneakers ,in a two week vacation,in plastic surgery,in tickets for a concert or a game , a musical instrument ...If one can have all that and more ( for what is actually a bargain ,in that context) ..then even if one knows that VR is not real but if it feels real then it doesn't matter ...people will buy it like candy

[@soberanisfam1323]

Op just made izzys pointlmaoo

[@caioborges6176]

Hey, make content for this channel ❤

[@bdel80]

More English videos please

[@GrilledCheese2theMAX]

Good video i want apple to fail lol sorry

[@eng.rafaelfigueiredo]

Legal, mas inútil 😂😂😂

[@mattmacknight3000]

Your shirt doesn't even fit.. your mic sounds like you're under water.. and you spent more on your chair than the rest of your set up. Not surprised you don't get the Vision Pro.

[@damionwilson5391]

He's actively moving to a new place lol

[@mattmacknight3000]

@@damionwilson5391 🤷🏼‍♂️ I stand by it haha. The car was expensive and unnecessary at first too. This is a crazy product and it changes the game. I’m hyped.

[@robotron07]

@@mattmacknight3000 absolutely people that criticizes it is teh same people that would spend 4 k on a pair of sneakers or something silly that doesn't even compare

[@Slurpy2k8]

Apple isn't releasing a toy. This is not in the same universe as a quest 2. This is a serious product, a serious new platform, and Apple is investing billions in the ecosystem and tools. For many it may replace their Macs and multi monitor setups. The tech is years more advanced than the quest. So the price comparisons are idiotic. You're thinking in such a small-minded way. The quest is not good enough for anything beyond mobile looking games. Apple's vision goes far beyond gaming.

[@TheIzzyNobreShow]

> This is not in the same universe as a quest 2 Right. I said exactly that!

[@Gatitasecsii]

Yeah I mean. I hate apple and it's true, this device is a full-on computer with monitors and peripherals and a ton of functionality that you haven't thought of yet. Of course they have no software to showcase this, but wait for when it releases, there's gonna be a pile of apps developed for it. As much as I despise apple, they sway the world to their designs.

[@robotron07]

this is way more than a computer is your ticket to a new world ,quest and the rest are doomed if they dont follow suit and up their game really really quick