The Archaeology of Indus Urbanism: Comparing Mohenjo Daro, Harappa and Dholavira

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Harappa.com: The Ancient Indus Civilization

Harappa.com: The Ancient Indus Civilization

3 жыл бұрын

Dr. Jonathan Mark Kenoyer (University of Wisconsin, Madison) compares three ancient Indus cities as examples of the development of urbanism in the 3rd millennium BCE and continuities with later time periods. An expansive, illustrated look at Indus civilization and its many threads from Mehrgarh in 7000 BCE on, with a focus on domestication, indigenous populations and trade networks. Informed by the latest research.

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@annepoitrineau5650
@annepoitrineau5650 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. I have been utterly fascinated by every single thing mentioned. Top of the list: a culture which, like the Cretans, did not depict warfare.
@alex-ff1mp
@alex-ff1mp Жыл бұрын
and probably like Cretans had something like "mobile walls" - ships/armies aka military treaties; the sheer number could be a deterrent; but I don't agree with the interpretation that the walls are not for used (also) for defense.
@unrealuknow864
@unrealuknow864 2 жыл бұрын
The reservoir system at Dholavira is such an incredible example of engineering and planning.
@ninadgadre3934
@ninadgadre3934 11 ай бұрын
Perfect pronunciations of every single Indic name by Dr Jonathan. Just a small cherry on the top of this wonderfully thorough presentation. Thank you so much for making this available on KZbin.
@sonarbangla8711
@sonarbangla8711 Жыл бұрын
The area from Elam, along the coast of Baluchistan and on to Makran and on to Sindh on one route and another route from Baluchistan to Sindh over land are dotted with settlements, indicating the land was not dry like now but was livable until rendered unlivable. The general trend of migration from Ethiopia and ending at Sumeria went on to the fertile lands of Gujrat, where The Yadava tribe of Krishna preached the Sanatan religion and Dwarka as the nerve center of a vast shipping network with ships sailing to Oman up to Ur or Uruk. The Sumerian legend of Sindbad the sailor is a story of a sailor who took goods fron India o Sumeria.
@khalidrashid2092
@khalidrashid2092 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank you for your talk on such a thorough research on an impossible problem of history. I live in Islamabad and sometimes I feel I time travel to the Indus cities of the past.
@based4560
@based4560 2 жыл бұрын
I would like to visit Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa in Pakistan and then see how it is compared to modern Pakistan
@osamaanees8406
@osamaanees8406 2 жыл бұрын
@@based4560 Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa are boring if your not a historian.
@AshishBihani
@AshishBihani 3 жыл бұрын
Of course, the video is very informative and you go into the reasons why you reach certain conclusions -- so thank you for that. But in addition, may I say that your pronunciation of cuontemporary indo/pak terms is on point!
@gondishapur
@gondishapur 10 ай бұрын
I was hoping to find a mention of "Shahr-i Sokhta" in your lecture. I love how you so clearly explain your topics.
@anotherelvis
@anotherelvis 2 жыл бұрын
Great talk. Thank you for sharing.
@patriciacruztellez7488
@patriciacruztellez7488 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! Very interesting.
@andyboofon
@andyboofon 3 жыл бұрын
A great series of videos, the result of years of research, eloquently explained, I hope there are more as this was all new information to me, thanks for uploading
@harappa.comtheancientindus9689
@harappa.comtheancientindus9689 3 жыл бұрын
More to come!
@rajprasad5899
@rajprasad5899 Жыл бұрын
Your talk is devoid of timelines and very rudimentary in perspective. Also mentioning that there was no contact between Egypt? (rather Sumeria) and IVC is contradicted by seals found there as also can be viewed by similarity of motif seen on robe of priest king of both civilisations which point to commonality of religious tradition.
@DailySamskritham
@DailySamskritham Жыл бұрын
Fantastic! Most comprehensive and succinct summary of a lot of archeological, historical and cultural research, supported by Carbon Dating and DNA studies, relating to Indus Valley and Harappan civilisations! Is it possible to share link to your original research document? Thanks in anticipation.
@Houston123ABC
@Houston123ABC 2 жыл бұрын
I love the topic but this video presentation is great to help fall asleep.
@thaisdarosa2100
@thaisdarosa2100 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, great second post! Answering my questions from the Writing lecture post! What is needed now to advance further understanding? Money, diplomacy, trained archaeologists???
@ArrowBast
@ArrowBast Жыл бұрын
Studying the occupational practices of lower castes - fishermen, herdsmen, agriculturists and construction workers, itinerant traders in the area - in both Pakistan and India.
@pranays
@pranays 2 жыл бұрын
I almost failed art history because the white teacher insisted that Indian art came from Greece
@Persian-Immortal
@Persian-Immortal Жыл бұрын
some influence, maybe. Then, we can hypothesize that Greek art was influenced by ancient India.
@jeffreypierce1440
@jeffreypierce1440 12 күн бұрын
Much of it does just not all.
@jeffreypierce1440
@jeffreypierce1440 12 күн бұрын
@@Persian-Immortal You can but not successfully.
@asahelkish5809
@asahelkish5809 9 ай бұрын
Dang Prof, you got the retroreflex r to the bone! Awesome pronunciations!
@gopalaraodasari7743
@gopalaraodasari7743 2 жыл бұрын
When one examines genetic material, what would be sample size. Can all the remains give indication of diet growth patterns, occupation and cause of death.
@bhaskarmv9059
@bhaskarmv9059 3 жыл бұрын
Greetings Dr. Kenoyer. At 1:17 you speak of the connection between the Indus seal and yoga. Could you please elaborate? Would it not e more appropriate to connect it with asana than yoga?
@crhu319
@crhu319 2 жыл бұрын
The seals appear to show lotus seated figures, an asana normally associated with meditation & pranayama. That is a resting position rather than a moving or stress or balance position. All of this is yoga, however b
@hscplusclinics3661
@hscplusclinics3661 11 ай бұрын
Baddh konasana
@GP-uq5qz
@GP-uq5qz 3 жыл бұрын
57:30 several different shapes (3) of what the professor calls “cooking areas” could be actually three types of ritual fire pits as explained in Brahmanas. Professor suggests they are for different types of cuisines - which is not convincing. In India/Pakistan they don’t have different cooking areas for different types of cuisines in a house. The sacrifice scene seen at 1:15:45 with a person in asana pose looking over can be a animal sacrifice scene of a Gomruga (typically seen as unicorn in profile).
@indrajitgupta3280
@indrajitgupta3280 3 жыл бұрын
An excellent point.
@bobwilson7684
@bobwilson7684 2 жыл бұрын
The thing of the unicorn is an absurd.look at the belly, male bovine, is bull. A unicorn hahaha what a trip hahahaha
@user-zu4ht7eh6c
@user-zu4ht7eh6c Жыл бұрын
Arya brahmana came migrate by foot after indus valley civilisation to India around 1500bc. Read yourself the DNA study
@swarnamohanty3121
@swarnamohanty3121 2 жыл бұрын
Any gold artifact ever found in Mohenjodaro Harappa ?
@kpdwivedi1672
@kpdwivedi1672 9 ай бұрын
Good presentation.
@standardprocedure7017
@standardprocedure7017 3 жыл бұрын
So there's a link between the Indus Valley and the civilisations of Africa ?
@pranays
@pranays 2 жыл бұрын
Yes and always has been when the romans asked the Greeks about India they told them the ships arrive in the monsoon season on the east cost of Africa. The Greeks also told the Romans that the "Nubians were the most handsome men on earth".
@TT3TT3
@TT3TT3 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@JazZia
@JazZia Жыл бұрын
@1:14:00; do you not think that the two sword bearers could be in a stance of protection/reverence?
@JazZia
@JazZia Жыл бұрын
An archway of swords - similar to what is used as symbolism in some versions of the Lovers card in tarot
@gopalaraodasari7743
@gopalaraodasari7743 2 жыл бұрын
At 3000 bce what would be astronomical events with respect to closest stellar bodies i.e moon and sun. Not just major events like eclipses, but magnetic fields at poles. What would be the tides, currents and streams, prepostulating through climate model profiles.
@pranays
@pranays 2 жыл бұрын
I have a more "english" accent when saying Hindi worlds than Dr Kenoyer does. Well done.
@osamaanees8406
@osamaanees8406 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for pronouncing Harappa correctly.
@MarvinMonroe
@MarvinMonroe 2 жыл бұрын
These people were going as far as Peru And Korea I bet
@adwaitvedant3297
@adwaitvedant3297 3 жыл бұрын
Swastika is a vedic symbol of peace...Later harapan can be easily seen as development of vedic society in India valley civilization..Fire alters were also found
@TheHomieNickGurr
@TheHomieNickGurr 3 жыл бұрын
it is indus valley not india valley lmaooo
@nopek1405
@nopek1405 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheHomieNickGurr they both means the same,go ahead turckish bootlicker.
@shahzaib-rr6cl
@shahzaib-rr6cl 2 жыл бұрын
@@nopek1405 no they don't
@nopek1405
@nopek1405 2 жыл бұрын
@@shahzaib-rr6cl can you please elaborate how they differ?
@MarvinMonroe
@MarvinMonroe 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheHomieNickGurr that could have been an autocorrect mistake
@Joseph-yu4lx
@Joseph-yu4lx 2 ай бұрын
Indus people were originally from ancient Tami trading groups. When sea trade had not developed well and safe, the land routes only available. So Sindhus region had been selected a convenient location to trade with western developed countries like Sumerian etc. So the ancient Tamil traders had established a trade centre in Sindhus region. Wherever they settled they used to build convenient and comfortable trading centres and made provisions for visiting traders and visitors. Of course they had their dwelling houses built with elaborate provisions and comforts. As they lived in groups they had their leaders and respected them. Of course when the traders settled there came their helpers supporters, dependents artisans and other technicians to earn their living.
@Joseph-yu4lx
@Joseph-yu4lx 2 ай бұрын
They had nothing to do with later intruded Aryans of Central Asia. Due to many reasons they migrated to more favourable trading locations. Of course the thugs like uncultured intruded people and their savage like habits and behaviours could have been one of the reasons. Being naturally peace loving and highly cultured groups, they did not prefer to fight against and drive them out.
@Joseph-yu4lx
@Joseph-yu4lx 2 ай бұрын
You can still find the descendants of Indus people living in Tamilnadu.
@bethbartlett5692
@bethbartlett5692 3 жыл бұрын
This Professor really does excellent presentations with superior clarity and on "great subjects"! (... and I'm quite an Academic Snob! lol 😉) I prefer Authentic Academic Minds, those that adhere to the "Standards of Science and Research", rather than the "Mainstream Academics whom hold the 19th Century Darwinian Theory Paradigm" above the "Standards of Science and Research", *"it is an ethical subject, one forcing their peers to support that paradigm, or risk reputation, tenyor, and career."* I can't abide the "Fraternal Religious Like Behavior" that compromises the academic fields and teaches a public a fiction as History/Science. It is wise to get neck deep in that one accuses to be "sudo-", to fully understand the subject, artifacts, fossils, Oral and Written Histories + all while "practicing this Standards of Science and Research", which forbids holding a Theory, opinion, belief, or idea, that can prevent the greater facts from emerging. The Science Mind allows for all possibilities, can entertain an idea they may not agree with, and is is in control of the Ego-Mind with Conscious Thoughts and Higher-Minded Standards, this is where Wisdom resides. This subject shall gain a greater harmony in this decade, as the Truths will emerge and the young minds will demand the hard answers. *It will benefit the greater Collective and be a refreshing experience of feeling true freedoms, for the Students and the Professionals.* Best Wellbeing to all ...
@pranays
@pranays 2 жыл бұрын
Darwinian? Darwin explained evolution over massive time frames and has nothing to do with history. Humans evolved long before the first cities 200 thousand years ago. You seem more confused by religious dogma than an academic snob
@Agrfbjjdgbh
@Agrfbjjdgbh 3 ай бұрын
'Meluha' is 'mel loka' meaning 'above world' in the south indian languages
@TerribleShmeltingAccident
@TerribleShmeltingAccident 6 ай бұрын
I think we have it wrong in reference to the stark divide we think about when discussing hunters vs agriculturalists. As long as people have encountered cities they move to join. More people = more jobs = more food = more better. Humans stuck to their “tribes” in areas where violence among clans/tribes that prevented the aggregation of people into towns/cities was common. Otherwise if given a choice people are going to choose to live in more densely populated areas because those places are where lightning was commonly caught in bottles
@an1rb
@an1rb 2 жыл бұрын
Shell bangles were probably worn by married women, as still is the custom in India.
@kikum3067
@kikum3067 3 жыл бұрын
Many things in Bhuddism/ Jainism are from Indus-Valley civilization. Indus people are intelligent and sound minded people. Further studies will definitely prove 100% of all these things
@dheera8889
@dheera8889 2 жыл бұрын
No religion in the world developed independently without importing ideas from other cultures. Buddhism and jainism developed at least 1500 years after fall of IVC, so have little to do with with IVC civilization. Rigvedic culture developed just after fall of IVC, infact developed side by side with 'Cementry H Culture' also had a lot of interaction with 'Jhukar Culture' and 'Rangpur Culture'. I think and everyone who is interested in history can easily say that Rigvedic culture and religion is mix of IE and IVC cultures and religions. Shramana ideas and shad-darshan ideas didn't emerged from IVC but emerged during second phase of urbanization around 500 BC. as 100s of years old tribal ideas were not relevant in urban cultures. Shramana movement was like Renaissance of Vedic culture. Anything apart from that is just political or religious propaganda. Shramana happened in two phases paccekabuddha and savaka phases. These traditions drew upon already established Brahmanical concepts to communicate their own distinct doctrines.
@kikum3067
@kikum3067 2 жыл бұрын
@@dheera8889 partly correct but shramana tradition is may not be the Renaissance of vedic culture, it is against vedic tradition. Idols from IVC, the way of dressed and bangled are still followed in followed in India, specially Southern part...like saree, bangles etc.... if it is from vedic tradition, Zorastrians could have followed tha same as it's tradition is near like Rigveda.
@dheera8889
@dheera8889 2 жыл бұрын
@@kikum3067 sharmana movement has nothing to do with South India. Its center was Bihar and Eastern UP (greater magdha). It was based on brahmanic ideas, either in support of some of its concepts or to oppose them. some concepts expended and some reduced. That's it. Time difference within IVC fall and shramana movement is 1500 years, that's enough time not to survive ideas in pre historical times. Second, who the hell told you that bangles are restricted to South. The way bangles are being weared in gujarat rajasthan and sindh is identical to IVC style, also in upper arms. South Indian bangles is identical to ganga valley, not Indus valley. South Indian culture is brahmnic, not sharmana. Shramana is against meat eating, and pro Ahimsha. South India is/was very much meat eating. Gujarat, punjab, rajasthan, haryana, and Western UP is very much vegetarian society. This area was related to IVC directly.
@kikum3067
@kikum3067 2 жыл бұрын
@@dheera8889 brahmins are definitely after many years of IVC. Because in vedas, medieval literature never mentioned about IVC and very little told about shramana tradition. British or European archeologists discovered IVC not any of vedic people. Priests changed from vedic to shramana...is very evident by literature and evidence based archeological proof.
@dheera8889
@dheera8889 2 жыл бұрын
@@kikum3067 I never said brahmins, there was no brahmin caste in Vedic era as it was a tribal socity, and in a tribal society there is no need for labour distribution, so no varna system.. an urban society can't survive without labour distribution so brahmin as a caste is late invention.. I said brahmnic ideas which means pre puranic and after Vedic philosophies of Hinduism like Vedanta, Nyaya, Samkhya, Mimansa, Vaisheshika, and yoga etc in their proto form. Shramana movement is based on already established brahmnic ideas, either to oppose some ideas or to support some ideas. It happened in magdha in Bihar. These ideas had hardly anything to do in Bihar, with an already 1500 ago dead civilization of Punjab. It was a movement of social revival and rethinking of ancient religion, new ideas emerged with new political system. It was a time of social transformation, with the rise of powerful centralised states from tribal societies. Vedas didn't say anything about IVC because there were no IVC in Vedic era, they didn't encounter with IVC but Cementery H. Sharmana movement was way later than Vedas, how could they mention about future movements. But there's enough about sharmana in later literature. Neither Sharmana nor brahmnic philosophies were homogeneous in nature. Shramanas competing with other sharmanas as well as brahmanic philosophies were competing with other brahmanic schools of thoughts. For example lokayata never agreed with buddhists in sharmanas.. same as mimansa never agreed with vaisheshika.. in short it was a new era with new political system so emergence of new ideas, in Bihar. Nothing to do with 1000s of year old dead civilization of Punjab and gujarat.
@dipakkumarmaurya1590
@dipakkumarmaurya1590 3 жыл бұрын
Nice
@bethbartlett5692
@bethbartlett5692 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sold on the Image being a Unicorn.
@pranays
@pranays 2 жыл бұрын
unicorn just means one horn.
@geronimorex3608
@geronimorex3608 3 жыл бұрын
People move from rural to urban to increase their incomes.
@gopalaraodasari7743
@gopalaraodasari7743 2 жыл бұрын
If the seals are so intricate, then why are the figurines so crude!
@TheLionFarm
@TheLionFarm 2 жыл бұрын
3:50
@jamesclary4431
@jamesclary4431 3 жыл бұрын
I dont think its supposed to be a unicorn i think its just a horned animal from a side view
@thelibral669
@thelibral669 2 жыл бұрын
The indus valley civilization was a pre vedic/ hindu civilization. There are many evidence like this video mantion. why you don't make this connection.
@dourbeen
@dourbeen 2 жыл бұрын
Lol there is no connection.. indus religion is unknown even vedic religion was different from Hinduism practiced later..
@thelibral669
@thelibral669 2 жыл бұрын
@@dourbeen lol ther are lots of connection, if you don't wants to see it it your prblem. Lol.
@mevenstien
@mevenstien 3 ай бұрын
✨️🙂✨️
@golgumbazguide...4113
@golgumbazguide...4113 2 жыл бұрын
welcome to golgumbaz, South Indian
@janetginger8571
@janetginger8571 2 жыл бұрын
3100 B C. the war happened because of criticism and it was a nuclear was. Which we are now on brink of repeating.
@joydeeproy1580
@joydeeproy1580 2 жыл бұрын
Outer peripheral walls could be for protection against wild animals
@farhadjalili2468
@farhadjalili2468 5 ай бұрын
Great field work, but with a lack of understanding of social and economic relations, urbanism, and architecture. The mentioned context void has led to an unguided and personal interpretation of the physical evidence which make them imaginary.
@larryparis925
@larryparis925 3 жыл бұрын
Why reference indigenous development going back 2 million years (8:15)?! What?! That is, the Homo erectus period has NOTHING to do with modern Homo sapiens expanding out of Africa sometime after 70,000 years ago and eventually giving rise to the Indus Valley Civilization. There may have been "continuous occupation" (Kenoyer's words), but that does not mean it's the same people or culture. The so-called "continuous occupation" was not by the same reproductive population or cultural tradition. That flippant claim of "two million years ago" inexcusably ignores later population migrations that all regions of the Old World experienced. It also disregards a huge amount of linguistic findings. And it also contradicts what he says in his statements that immediately follow about how the Indus area was linked to the Gulf, Mesopotamia, and the surrounding areas of the Indus, including the Deccan. What's going on here? Is he just "winging it", not having prepared a script for this presentation?? Was he tired, and not up to the task at hand? I don't know. I'm disappointed because I admire what Kenoyer has done archaeologically to better understand this important civilization. Now, Kenoyer greatly improves the empirical presentation after this point. So, let's say the factually important point is that the peoples whose various local cultures combined to create (unintentionally in the beginning) the Indus Valley Civilization did so by making use of regional ecological resources to produce a surplus of food crops that led to a complex urbanized culture. Kenoyer even says this at 14:00. That is, it was not Mesopotamians (or some other urbanized area) that came in with their crops and social organization and took over, but that local populations, initially using regional plants and resources and somewhat later utilizing imported crops, integrated their cultural knowledge to develop the Indus Valley Civilization. The part of the presentation (29:10) that deals with brick size and wall repair is very interesting, especially concerning why certain brick sizes were chosen (34:20). As a scale for semi-standardized linear measurements, "...the Indus people used body measurements" (38:22), including distance between thumb and forefinger, as well as what was convenient for the average-sized hands and arms. And the functional uses of all these bricks was to control access to the city (gateways), for household construction, streets, flood control, ritual structures, and for very important waste-water drainage purposes. Note the distinction between mud brick and fire brick. A fascinating part (42:50) of this presentation is about the removal at Harappa and other major sites of fired bricks ("brick-robbed") for modern uses, leaving the "voids" to excavate - which impacts how we interpret construction. Wow. Note: "Mohenjo-daro has not been brick-robbed" (44:15). Yes! The complexity of excavating and interpreting sites modified through time is given at 44:39. Kenoyer's correction of Wheeler's interpretation (45:16) is important for archaeological methods at other complex sites.
@netgalactic
@netgalactic Жыл бұрын
"Why reference indigenous development going back 2 million years (8:15)?! What?!" Yes of course, FYI: Story of Ancient India: From the Deep South to North | Dr. Raj Vedam:: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4S7ZWB6gLqjpJI
@SandeepVerma-bf1ry
@SandeepVerma-bf1ry 10 ай бұрын
Silence silence silence guys. I quench the thirst of you all. IVC is Buddhist civilization. There were 28 buddhas. 1st was in IVC. Stupa in Mohenjodaro is not of Ad but of 2000 Bc. Rest curiosity i will solve in replies.
@SivalogaMoorthi4753
@SivalogaMoorthi4753 2 жыл бұрын
When himalaya created that time these civilians all dead.... True
@shashankkumar2106
@shashankkumar2106 2 жыл бұрын
You're a professor, atleast call it what it was. Indus saraswati civilization.
@user-zu4ht7eh6c
@user-zu4ht7eh6c Жыл бұрын
He did not say that because he knew it was not. Read DNA study and learn Aryan Brahmin migration around 1500bc.
@rainhawk5264
@rainhawk5264 2 жыл бұрын
Goats and sheep are in the wild to be found in mountainous regions ...so logically they have been domesticated in Luristan -Kurdistan/Khordestan Zagros Mountains...it only arrived in the Indus Valley when pastoralists and first farmers immigrated from the Zagros Mountains there...
@themaskedman5954
@themaskedman5954 Жыл бұрын
Wrong Past distribution is so different from today's distribution especially regarding sheep Wild sheep specimens were found from Mehrgarh, Narusho(during early harappan era) and even at Afghanistan at an earlier date Even now wild sheeps(mouflon) are found nearby "eastern" Iran where they share territory with urial so no need to look for zagros Most importantly the exact wild ancestor of domestic sheep is not identified until now We do have wild goat in IVC region Gradual reduction in size if sheep is clearly noticed during aceramic phase which means domestic sheep evolving from "wild" ancestors and that proves local domestication process Recently a bio archive report stated Urial, and argali also contributed very little amount of ancestry to sheeps Both of them inhabit South and Central Asia So local domestication is every way possible There are many evidence I can't list all
@ArrowBast
@ArrowBast Жыл бұрын
Goats do well in the dry tropics - no mountains required. And Goats are not monolithic - some goats are well selected for mountainous terrain and others do well in semidesert scrub.
@Agrfbjjdgbh
@Agrfbjjdgbh 3 ай бұрын
The Indus Valley was comprehensively. Evacuated over a short period. The inhabitants were faced with a very serious catastrophe at short notice. An imminent invasion by barbaric horsemen from the Russian Steppes, active in the Indus area at the time. The evacuation involved 5 million people in over 100 cities spread over 1500kms. We can assume that the evacuation was successful because no human remains to prove the attack have have been found till date. The migrating inhabitants scattered East and South and settled different parts of India The Indus Valley descendants make up 85 percent of the Indian population today. The abandoned Indus Valley remained vacated and desolate for 400 years until European. and Central Asian migrants settled the area bringing new language, religion and culture etc with them. The Vedic Civilization. The imminent invasion never happened because the inhabitants of the Indus Valued Life over wealth.
@Agrfbjjdgbh
@Agrfbjjdgbh 3 ай бұрын
The people of the Indus valley would not invest in a standing Army but chose the more safer and wiser option of EVACUATION. They had typically planned the operation successfully. They valued Life over Wealth and Prosperity.
@pranays
@pranays 2 жыл бұрын
You should start deleting the racist trolls in the comments
@americanparser
@americanparser 3 жыл бұрын
You believe humans existed 2 million years ago?
@GP-uq5qz
@GP-uq5qz 3 жыл бұрын
He’s including archaic humans like en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo
@positroll7870
@positroll7870 3 жыл бұрын
@@GP-uq5qz Homo sapiens sapiens settled the globe less than 200'ooo years ago. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#History The idea that the shape of urban civilsation was somehow determined by earlier homo erectus, Neanderthal etc seems pretty nuts to me.
@GP-uq5qz
@GP-uq5qz 3 жыл бұрын
Posi Troll, I think all he's saying (8:30) is the Indus Valley has seen hominids foraging in the area for some 2 million years and has a long history of habitation by hominids. Food production (agriculture) seems to have started around 7000 BC.
@positroll7870
@positroll7870 3 жыл бұрын
@@GP-uq5qz He says that some of the particularities of the indus valley urban civilisation go back to influences from 2 million years ago. That makes very little sense to me, given that homo erectus had no towns, and very little culture that homo sapiens sapiens could have picked up on when it arrived in India 75000 years ago. But Im open to be shown evidence to the contrary ...
@GP-uq5qz
@GP-uq5qz 3 жыл бұрын
Posi Troll I agree, any signs of urbanization before, say, 10,000 BC would be shocking indeed. Small settlements likely started around 8000 BC and urbanization likely after 5000 BC. Also any claim that any culture of hominids that may have lived and foraged in Indus Valley continued after modern Homo sapiens arrived in Indus Valley would be preposterous. However I didn't think he made such claims. May be I missed it. I thought he was merely mentioning the area was habited by (various) hominids going way back...
@SunnySunny-wr4zh
@SunnySunny-wr4zh 2 жыл бұрын
1. Any archeological evidence for vaidic period? Vedas were written during this period? 2. Who coined the word HINDU? When? 3. Any proof for Asoka's baisnees? 4. When ajivakas, charvakas, Jain, Buddhist all telling atheism,,where was brahminism, a theism? Was brahminism was parallel to these? No there was nothing like brahminism or Hinduism at any Era. Read history again. 5. Oral tradition?? Gurukul??? Sanskrit?? How old is Sanskrit?? What is the proof of Sanskrit's encientness? Rigved?? When?? Talk with proof.
@riddunyra4373
@riddunyra4373 2 жыл бұрын
hindu is arabic word .. and sindhuism is not a religion
@tarlsingh5244
@tarlsingh5244 2 жыл бұрын
It shows Hindu religion not very old not a word of sanskrit at any site just stories no proof
@vaibhav2k13
@vaibhav2k13 2 жыл бұрын
Swastikas, Yogic sculptures, Shiv Lings and Fire altars were found. There are also theories suggesting Indus Script could be related Brahmi script and the language on the seals was indeed sanskrit.
@pranays
@pranays 2 жыл бұрын
Why lie? Hinduism is recognised as the oldest practised religion on earth. Then Zoroastrianism and Judaism. F'n clown.
@5vifail9bodhnasascientist15
@5vifail9bodhnasascientist15 2 жыл бұрын
Ohhh... Sardar got triggered
@riddunyra4373
@riddunyra4373 2 жыл бұрын
hindu is arabic word .. sindhuism is not a religion .. anyway so akbar made it a religion in 16th century ..so hindus are oldest .. islamic monothiesm of worshipping single god existed since indian adam prophet of 13000bc ..
@dourbeen
@dourbeen 2 жыл бұрын
@@vaibhav2k13 you can call moon a croissant. It doesnt make it a croissant .. the swastika came much later with aryans from sintastha culture land.. what is now Russia.
@dadsonworldwide3238
@dadsonworldwide3238 3 жыл бұрын
No seige warfare requires no huge walls and you mix in warfare similar to greek who met in fields and didn't attack Citys is highly likley. You can bet they where quick to submit and or willing vassels. The walls and gates are very protective against bows and spears lol. Its gaurd shacks obviously. I do wonder if much of these aren't based around a specific resource . Much of the brick building reminds me of mining camps. C
@riddunyra4373
@riddunyra4373 2 жыл бұрын
mehrghar ..the pride of islamic civilization where monitheism cherished under adam prophet
@rahulm2827
@rahulm2827 2 жыл бұрын
i never understood why the ppl talking about other civilizations the most, are the ones who dont have any ruins in their own lands. i.e. christians. christians love talking writing and spreading their opinions on mass media. they also love fabricating stories about their own european pagan past. greek, roman and nordic "mythology", egyptian and south american history. i have lived my whole life in a european country but never held a book in my hands written in runen script. it was all replaced by jesus and roman culture. they have zero clue who they were 2000 years ago. then they come and jump on other ppls history. not sure if i like this.
@mikedesi5513
@mikedesi5513 2 жыл бұрын
Where were the aryans
@MarvinMonroe
@MarvinMonroe 2 жыл бұрын
The whole Aryan Invasion Theory is pretty much bullcrap. But to answer your question, according to the theory, they were in the Ukraine and east of the Ukraine. That whole area of Russia.
@atmafj
@atmafj 10 ай бұрын
Answers are all in the Veds and Purans
@anandprem7365
@anandprem7365 3 жыл бұрын
Dr. Jonathan keyoner, could you give your mail id
@pranays
@pranays 2 жыл бұрын
Google him, his university email will be in the faculty contact list (University of Wisconsin, Madison)
@louisdiek7832
@louisdiek7832 3 жыл бұрын
@sanjayiyengar7226
@sanjayiyengar7226 3 жыл бұрын
It's takshashila please pronounce it properly
@dourbeen
@dourbeen 2 жыл бұрын
Taxila... keep ur religion out of this.
@alterhec
@alterhec 2 жыл бұрын
crapy resolution
@jvo3777
@jvo3777 2 жыл бұрын
Get right with God friends, don't wait another day! About 500 prophecies fulfilled hundreds and thousands of years in advance prove the Bible is God's word. Believe and repent, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4!!!
@suryadevararao1795
@suryadevararao1795 3 жыл бұрын
4,600 Years later Modi is encouraging people to build latrines'???? What did we do to ourselves. Small cups are not uncommon close to commodes in Indian homes even in the West today. Just wiping with tissue doesn't feel clean! just a habit. About the cooking stove interpretation, Probably vastu did not came in to existence by then because now a days cooking is in "SE" direction the direction for Agni ( Aagneyam direction). I wonder what direction is preferred for doing Yganas/Homams? the direction for worshipping gods is North-East to East ( Eesanya) . Water harvesting: did they notice their water sources getting drier? like river Saraswthi dried around that time. At 1:14:49 the ritual offering stand which looks similar to the one with Unicorn seal at 1:02:20.and also 7 figures on religious symbols reminds us of Sapta Rishis and Annunaki? Pipal tree is considered sacred even today...Hmm Aryans associated Bhagawan Vishnu with it!!!.. "Please also read Indigo: India's blue gold". One such Indigo making unit used to exist in my village in S.India until 10-15 years back. I think they built a water tank there later. One needs to understand the culture and customs to interpret the archaeology of the land. Please search for Mrugendra Vinod on KZbin to understand more about Unicorn seal.
@ronhak3736
@ronhak3736 3 жыл бұрын
So they aren't same people.
@suryadevararao1795
@suryadevararao1795 3 жыл бұрын
@@ronhak3736 May be you are right. Nomadic Aryans who came later seems to maintain their standards till now.....
@pranays
@pranays 2 жыл бұрын
the British empire happened
@pranays
@pranays 2 жыл бұрын
@@ronhak3736 Aryan invasion myth? really you a nazi too?
@krishnendude6289
@krishnendude6289 3 жыл бұрын
Is there any connection between Aryans arrival with Indus Valley Civilization extinction.? Can we safely say that Harrapans were the original Indians? Do they predate Dravidians?
@velmurugankandasamy9656
@velmurugankandasamy9656 3 жыл бұрын
Dravidian are the indusvalley civilization
@velmurugankandasamy9656
@velmurugankandasamy9656 3 жыл бұрын
Specifically tamil are real Harappan traditional continuity. Rest aryan clone tradition.
@velmurugankandasamy9656
@velmurugankandasamy9656 3 жыл бұрын
Everything in vedas
@adwaitvedant3297
@adwaitvedant3297 3 жыл бұрын
@@velmurugankandasamy9656 There's nothing called Dravidian...The harapan were mixed race..Iranian + Indo astro Asiatic population....You can't say pure Dravidian..Even now..There's no pure Dravidian in indian..Or pure Aryan..Everyone is now mixed...Don't play dirty divisive politics
@bethbartlett5692
@bethbartlett5692 3 жыл бұрын
This is a subject that many Scolars of India and their Western Peers are not in agreement upon. The Caste System is said to have been brought in rather than indigenous. I don't take a stand on this b/c both offer strong arguments. My research finds Aryans departing and literally traveling through South America, later on to New Zealand, both departures due to desire to avoid war/aggressions. *...and, It is supported by DNA.* That is quite definitive.
@Weknowthetruthnow
@Weknowthetruthnow 2 ай бұрын
They from America stop it 😂 good video tho
@John_O_Connor
@John_O_Connor 9 ай бұрын
Indus Valley Civilization of Pakistan ❤🇵🇰 My ancestral home town is in between Indus river system. Pakistan Zindabad ❤🇵🇰
@tomsunhaus6475
@tomsunhaus6475 7 ай бұрын
The Indus urban culture seemed to become stagnant. While they did not have wars, the culture seemed to surrender to some controlling behaviors. To me the unicorns were a call for help & when the unicorns disappeared they gave up on a progressive society.
@patriciacruztellez7488
@patriciacruztellez7488 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! Very interesting.
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