The Argon Gas Trick - Window Salespeople Tell Funny Stories

[@chuckmihalik4064]

Hi!! I have installed windows and doors for over 30 years and because of health reason , I now sell . Your videos are helpful and very well put together . I don’t agree with all the content , especially bc although informational you also offer a service of Window installs , kind of conflicting but it is pretty exciting watching non the less - Good job on exciting videos and much success out there for you and your viewers

[@STsixx]

Keep in mind, U-Factor doesn’t provide any indication as to how long that figure will persist.

[@anthonyschroeder6962]

Hilarious. This is an example of the new age “slick” sales technique. You keep it up sir. Your gimmick is working I’m sure.

[@mikestoffers1707]

I've had 2 different sales people in my house telling me that their windows have 99% argon and all others only have 65%. They also highball with their initial price then by the end they offer about 37% lower saying the price is only good for today if we sign now but we have to put their sign in my yard for 30-60 days

[@johnnykrauze]

Kick that jerk out. B.S. sales tactics. Trying to pressure you.

[@reneap9049]

Call Window World, no high pressure, no price games, just good windows at a fair price.

[@markkeller9378]

NFRC is the way to equally rate complete windows as they are sold. Great tip….takes all the window bs out of the sale. Now you can discuss exactly how they are installed!!

[@stanleychomina4080]

Something to definitely consider that NEEDS to compliment the ratings is the longevity of the rating. It can work great the first few years then performance can fall off a cliff. Things to consider are: 1. Framing Material 2. Spacer Material 3. Seals used to KEEP the gas in the glass 4. Installation 5. READ WARRANTY EXCLUSIONS

[@wmk43]

So in doing research, basically Argon is a very low insulator but pushed on customers as this massive saving component. Air is also an insulation component. However in our climate here (Canada) we have cold then hot and so on throughout the year. This itself creates solar pumping from what I've seen and sealed units will fail regardless. The silica under the spacer is saturated and that's why the fog (nobody tells you that!!!). Windows can last 1 month or 10 years. Most contractor windows will only last 3-4 years and the argon gas is out. It does leak out anyway 1% yearly as mentioned earlier. Also no unit is sealed 100%. If it was it would burst with the expansion and contraction of the glass. Also Argon gas is an insulator and I believe R 0.5. (correct me if I'm wrong) The dry air inside acts as an insulator as well. When the air becomes saturated (seal failure) the damp air is inside the window leads to fogging or moisture in between the panes. There are only 3 options I believe. 1. replace window ($$$$$ and usually the frame is still good) 2. Thermopane replacement ($$$) 3. Window repair ($) no argon but it'll have dry air and has a 20 year warranty. If you want argon you need option 1 or 2. Argon in cold climates is virtually non existent anyway. So it depends on what you want to spend, climate and your beliefs. But don't replace windows just to say you have a higher R value window. It doesn't make sense and is financially a waste of money as you would never recoup your costs. If you want to just make the fog/moisture go away and have clear windows repair them. You may only need a few done and a salesman will try and tell you to replace all your windows so they match. lol. Window repair is something I've never heard of before this year and this is what I'll be doing. I'll never recoup the cost of new panes just to have argon in them that's for sure. Comment your thoughts if you wish. Thanks

[@JeremyEverett-y3e]

To meet the 2022 EPA Energy Star requirements you are either triple pane with low-e / argon and maybe foam in frame OR triple-pane with Krypton (that cost about $500 / window dealer cost). Clear double pane IGU has a u-value of 0.50, adding 1 coat low-e with argon reduces to 0.3 or 20% more efficient.

[@johnhunter4181]

I have 15 large triple glazed windows which are 40 years old and only the two doors (which keep slamming shut in the wind) showed any signs of condensation in that time. So I'm quite sure they don't leak, are airtight and wouldn't explode when the sun comes out.

[@angelbtv1]

Just decided to look up how to diy window install but seen this video and man did that helped.

[@bruin1131]

Thanks for the video and honesty!

[@davemarm]

I had an Andersen rep come to my house to give me a quote on windows. He said that the seals in my existing windows failed (true), and that since all the argon gas escaped they are filled with air which is not providing any insulation at all. Haha since when does air not provide any insulation? I quickly showed him the door since I couldn't trust anything else that came out of his mouth.

[@WontSeeReplies]

I’ve been out of the construction business for just over a decade. But as of a decade ago, Anderson made over priced lower quality windows. My father liked Badger windows for the glass quality, but I always found them hard to clean(especially double hung). I couldn’t say who makes the best value windows today, but I personally will always choose something with the least hard to reach/clean areas.

[@davemarm]

@Roman Smal You are dead wrong. SMUD tax relief (assuming you are referring to Sacremento California) has nothing to do with passing city inspection and does not prevent air-filled windows from being installed to take credit for energy efficiency as long as they adhere to the minimum U-value. Argon is not required since air-filled windows provide sufficient U-value in many cases. Argon provides slightly better energy efficiency compared with air, but to make the statement that "air filled windows do not provide any insulation at all" is completely wrong. Most people would not make an investment of $50k just to save a few dollars a year on heating/cooling costs. Even with ideal replacement windows the argon gas escapes within a few years.

[@MichaelBarnathan]

While it will diminish the insulation relative to argon, it will still insulate. You can probably look up the air-filled version of the same window on NFRC to get an idea of how much you'll lose.

[@KyleMatt11]

I been selling windows for a while. Never heard another company claiming to have more argon but have heard stories from customers saying other brands keep the argon longer than others

[@greenidguy9292]

It’s usually the slimy salespeople such as this guy…

[@stanleychomina4080]

Just curious, are you stating all brands will keep the gas inside the glass for the same time length?

[@JeremyEverett-y3e]

Depends on the glass company's spacer. Cardinal has one of the best spacer systems on the market.@@stanleychomina4080

[@NyDieselOwnage]

Wouldn’t we want someone to guarantee that gas in the window though? I know I wouldn’t want someone telling me I’ll lose the gas either.

[@shanegreen7298]

Looks like you have a Andersen A-Series patio door? Are your windows Andersen as well in this building?

[@jfox11000]

I literally just spent $48,000 on windows off of a 3% more argon gas window than the other company I almost went with 🤦

[@shudge1]

Generally Speaking 90/10 is (90% gas fill) is the minimum needed to qualify for NFRC certification. . NFRC will allow for a higher than 90% but only with certain gas filling techniques (specifically flood chamber gas filling). some have certified as high as 97/3 Argon/Air.. . In the end, as you pointed out, this would be documented on the NFRC product directory . Take care.

[@grahamtunnadine4427]

Hi Thanks very useful. Is there a test to check if the argon has leaked? For instance, the difference between inner and outer glass surface or room and outside temperature? and can a unit be topped up or refilled?(assuming a hole and stopper to get the gas in). Thanks again

[@jasonrock2804]

It cannot be topped off. They are vacuum filled in a factory, inside a argon filled room. Once you have ambient air inside, it's basically ruined. And the test is when you see water inside the Panes.

[@AlexInAuburn]

Argon is heavier than air, so if you put argon gas in your window, assuming the bottom and sides are sealed, the argon will displace the air much like pouring water into an empty glass. The glass would need to be removed from the frame to access the top edge to be able to fill the window. If the window is not sealed after filling it with argon gas, that gas would leak out if the window was not kept upright, just like the water would spill out of the glass if you turn the glass on it's side.

[@zhengliding5536]

I live in Colorado. One of the salesman claiming that windows manufactured in other states are not good for Colorado because when they transfer the window from low altitude to a mile high city, the Argon gas is gone. Is that true?

[@ibv0482]

Yes

[@jeremyeverett6186]

If you are at a high elevation, you need Breather Tubes in your windows due to your elevation and would not have Argon gas in the IGU. You could opt for i89 low-e coating with LoE-366 on the outside pane to make it as efficient as IGUs with Argon gas.

[@racerx6384]

Glass that has to cross the Rockies needs to be told to the glass manufacturer. They put a tube in the spacer that helps equalize the pressure during transport.

[@teknoah]

Yeah I got the same story from a salesman in Denver. He said there is only one manufacturer in Loveland that produces a hermetically sealed window that doesn’t leak Argon. He said that Anderson windows that are transported don’t have the Argon that they specify due to leakage during transport because if the capillaries that are part of the design. It raised my suspicion but I wonder if he is BSing me.

[@bradgraystock5966]

As mentioned breather tubes are inserted to equalize the pressure from varying altitudes during transport. Since argon gas is heavier than air it can still be inserted but the breather tube needs to be at the top edge of the unit and the unit needs to be transported keeping that edge on top until it reaches its destination. At which time the breather tube is pinched off which makes the unit sealed.

[@magicassassin1947]

Very informative sir. Thank you 😍

[@russellmoore963]

9 times out of ten there is no argon gas in the window , they can't ship it to a different elevation with argon in it , most of the time they will need to send them with breather tubes in them we pinch off after installation. The higher the elevation, the more the glass will expand, and the lower the elevation, the more the glass will suck its self in . Window glass insulated glass is atmospherically sealed .

[@allisonsmith9050]

I’m furious. I told my contractor I wanted good windows and he gave me air filled crap with a .44 U factor. He was mad at me when I told him to not install and he better order the better ones or I’m not paying. Might have to go to court.

[@anandvenkitaraman2454]

Thanks for the video. But why 95% Argon? Is there a reason to not use 100% Argon

[@anandvenkitaraman2454]

@Evgeny Thank you for clearing my doubt. Can you please provide any source website which explains the above concept? Thanks

[@gregcorwin8316]

the actual reason is that if anyone claimed 100% argon and it turned out to be 98% then they are open to class action lawsuits as well as the government getting down on them for false advertising. There are several ways to fill an IGU with argon, the best being a flood chamber that is quite capable of consistently maintaining 98% or so, yet the largest IGU manufacturer using this method simply states an average of 90% fill rate so that they are safe from ambulance chasing class action lawsuits.

[@error.418]

90/10 is the NFRC minimum. You will see higher, up to maybe 97/3 commonly, but it's not really all that important. Getting a pure Argon environment is expensive and the return on investment is low. So it's not worth it and not worth worrying about.

[@Grande79]

Im not naming any names but they rhyme with re-jewel by Bandersen

[@Hiatus-Humanus]

Wouldn't it be nice if everyone just told the truth?.. it's exhausting.

[@Methodical2]

Perfect timing. I am getting quotes to replace windows now and doing my research. All 3 mentioned the Argon stuff.

[@yolandejoazard6655]

Lol

[@Methodical2]

@@yolandejoazard6655 Didn't fall for it. I told the sales person that the windows are so old (1977 style) that any newer style window will be a major upgrade. They tried to sell the upgrade stuff though. I didn't fall for it. I could tell the difference between the old and new windows because the old ones were so old. A world difference in operation. We sold the place and the new owner liked the renovation with all new windows and doors.

[@gastonlv]

Thanks for the great information. Do you sell just inserts?

[@aarashnavabi4749]

Why not just use pure argon? It’s the third most abundant gas in the atmosphere. And it nowadays you can just buy pure argon cans they are called bloxygen.

[@davidr9876]

I've done a site tour of our Window Factory and you absolutely can get more than 90% fill of the Argon. Do you factor of our dual pane is 0.27

[@viewer2325]

May I ask you. A few days ago, a door-to-door window sells men told me I had to replace my 30 your old vinyl windows. He said the seals are corrupted and pointed to what he said was moss inside the windows, he claimed this could cause, my wife to have symptoms of Alzheimer. Have you ever heard of sure a thing? I think he is playing with my emotions, but I don't know for sure.

[@jjustin5177]

Great timing for this video looking to buy new windows I am looking at Anlin company what do you think about this company thanks

[@racerx6384]

Argon gas leaks from windows at a rate of 1% a year.

[@andyk4688]

What matters is how that seal is designed that keeps the two pieces of glass together. Use Cardinal Glass!

[@bobpizza6138]

For example u values can be as low as 0.27 and down to as low as 0.16 for some even lower. You can check by searching for energy codes values in you area and asking the proper questions to window PROFESSIONALS.

[@RM-xf9gi]

Hate our Andersen argon gas windows. They are leaking. One by one the windows are fogging up. Terrible.

[@lesclive8575]

They don’t offer a warranty because for the price they charge they could easily replace the IG UNITS

[@gregcorwin8316]

if they are less than 20 years old they are 100% covered by the warranty. How old are they?

[@ginni333]

I’m getting conflicting information about how much heat can be kept out with argon gas vs low e. Cost is substantial so important to know.

[@stevenjstein]

The most important thing is how long the gas stays in the window, you want a window where the seal holding the Argon gas will not break (PVC windows seals will break faster than any other window).

[@NyDieselOwnage]

Yah it’s rather odd he’s avoiding this fact and telling Us all to trust him lol

[@gibbontakeit9098]

Note to self... get a shit ton of estimates, and catch out a salesman disputing a U. factor, and sue the shit out of them... Just kidding... I'm not THAT GUY, but sometimes... just sometimes.. it might be appropriate. Use discretion, and compassion.

[@johnnykrauze]

The spacer is a huge thing to consider.

[@mikewarburton6161]

@@johnnykrauze I'm just learning about building double pane windows and framing it in all cedar. The filler strip will be cedar. I was thinking of drilling the filler strip and putting in fill valve and overfill valve.

[@johnnykrauze]

You sound like you know what you are talking about. So, every vinyl window has the same sealer right?

[@jacobymyers2985]

It’s funny you say that about castle windows, they use plygem, it literally says that on their brochure

[@NyDieselOwnage]

According to castle they make the windows ... total con artists

[@craftytimestation2540]

I'm not sure but Castle glass was a company in Warrenton Missouri or thereabouts I had a few friends that worked there.... I think actually could have been Trusdale or the next city on the highway i-70 East not sure it's relevant but they made hellified windows all kinds and I think actual name was old castle glass if I remember properly

[@rickstrole9634]

So you can buy a gift for this dude ha ha ha ha

[@kevinmctavish852]

I'm insulted, I sell windows and doors and I am not "slick" or "shady". I always try and get the best product to my clients at the best price. I work in Western Canada, maybe you are talking about the American sales mentality.

[@johnnykrauze]

He himself is the slick one.

[@greenidguy9292]

You and this guy are both liars…

[@jayescudero2149]

Softlite.28, what a joke😅

[@johnwells1724]

If that is the case, stick with what you're doing. After a while you will get a rep for being the guy that told them the truth. All it takes is a pushy sales guy and a poor office climate to ruin it for the guy doing it right but after a few years you won't have to keep proving yourself. I find that the best thing is to tell it like it is with straight info and encourage the buyers to be educated from I think some companies make a good product but by the time it gets to the end user you don't know what stresses have been exerted in loading, unloading, trucking and installation. The true test is the after the sale customer service. Look for that from 3rd party sites and you'll have your answer. After 48 years of contracting and absolutely taking care of 100% of my customers, I get calls and offers to come out of retirement a lot. Occasionally it has been worth it too.

[@cyanos3]

Hi! Recently discovered your site and channel, so thank you. My question is related to a claim that I heard: that over time, the argon will leak out of windows that are not properly constructed. That there are companies that will inject the argon (which can then leak out), and then there are companies that will assemble and seal in the argon inside an argon filled room. Could you perhaps speak to that? Thank you so much.

[@Thewindowdog]

That’s the same sort of fake news. If there were any proof to backup a claim like that you’d see documentation. There isn’t so you don’t. Just baseless claims made by a salesman. It is a great example of a common claim and they’ve been using that one for years too. Maybe we’ll feature that one in another video. Thanks for writing in!

[@elsadueno6222]

@@Thewindowdog Yes my salesperson told me that Andersen only has two holes to install the Argon gas and the less holes/entries the longer the argon gas will last. I was told that Pella did not have this method and because of that it ran a higher risk of argon gas leaking as it tends to leak throughout it's time. This is why I like reading the warranty on Argon gas.....

[@gregcorwin8316]

@@elsadueno6222 If a salesperson told you that, then that salesperson doesn't know anything about how either Andersen or Pella insulating glass units are argon filled.

[@elsadueno6222]

@@gregcorwin8316 Thanks for taking the time to reply but I'm not following. That wasn't my question.....my question was that Andersen concedes that the argon gas process they use guarantees less leakage than that of Pella or any other window. Andersen supposedly has a method using only two holes making it less likely for it to escape vs some companies have 6 holes....the gas is injected into the two pane windows that I knew. Thanks

[@gregcorwin8316]

@@elsadueno6222 You're welcome. Neither Andersen nor Pella manufactures their own Insulating Glass units, both of them use Cardinal IGU's in their windows. There are no holes for injecting argon, rather the two glass lites, with the stainless steel spacer, are loaded on the IG line and automatically assembled, argon filled, and sealed in an enclosed chamber. Air is evacuated and argon is injected prior to the IG being sealed.

[@willyg8152]

What about direct injection method of argon gas vs vacuum sealed? Obviously their would be a difference in dissipation over time

[@JeremyEverett-y3e]

Argon like air is heavier than air. Fill the unit from the top and seal it. Check for leaks. If no leaks, you're good. Use a spacer that doesn't have keyed corners / breaks and it won't leak out anytime soon. Cardinal uses 2 sealers a PIB (poly isobutyl) and silicone to prevent leaks.

[@lorenzod3095]

Hi I have a project for 16 windows in Chicago they are double hang I'm tired that the upper window come down after time so I want to replace with single hung third glass as well as the gass (no tilt )is a single family house can you throw an average estimate on it.

[@DbiPro]

Can you make one about Ultimate Finestria in Canada

[@marekjaworski5965]

client asked me if he has Argon gas in his previously installed window because he believe he got cheated. Is there way to check if there is Argon gas when there is no sticker anymore on the glass? I'm sure there is LowE coating so I'd assume there is no way to get IG with LowE but just air between panels.

[@mightyconker3903]

Why would a sticker prove it?

[@marekjaworski5965]

@@mightyconker3903 to be honest don’t know exactly what I meant but I guess manufacture sticker showing ratings of UV, SHGC, STC etc is some king of prove that IG has performance that they paid for. Since when I asked this question I learned a lot so would not ask this question anymore.

[@RoyaltyMirror]

Great video; we would like to collaborate on your future window project. Thank you

[@charliem.7492]

What are your thoughts on Renewal by Anderson??? I was quoted for ONE window $8,680.00. Please tell me if this is overpriced!!! Thank you.

[@PaulA-tt9qy]

Renewal by Andersen first class company. Patent FIBREX material, Smart Sun Low-E Glass, TruScene Screens and warranty covers parts and labor. You’re really getting the best with Renewal by Andersen and you get you what you pay for. You can always get a better “price”

[@charliem.7492]

@@PaulA-tt9qy Do you work for them??? 🤣

[@0bstr0]

Is the cost of argon over nitrogen same percentage worth it...I make my own Windows. .5" polycarbonate in 200 year old 36" by 64" . 1/4" is enough unless 18 wheelers n 5 o'clock traffic. The best quality poly to the touch doesn't have a cold feeling on 0' day . do you recommend a supply house. 1/4" 24" by 48" can be 100$. I need a custom size 24 X 36 which sky rockets price. Please let me know

[@andrewlevin3460]

Don't forget that sunlight can break apart "air" molecules, leading to an increase in the pressure inside the sealed intra-pane space, leading to failure of the window vacuum seal, leading to humidity in the intra-pane space, leading to unsightly opaque windows. For example, sunlight can break carbon dioxide into oxygen and carbon monoxide, break oxygen into free oxygen, form nitric oxide from oxygen and nitrogen, etc. Argon concentration might not have much impact on U value (it does insulate slightly better than air), but most people don't want cloudy windows so it might still be important :)

[@templebrown7179]

Are you drinking again? Sunlight does not break carbon dioxide into oxygen and carbon monoxide. UV light can break O2 into elemental oxygen, but the oxygen will recombine in the window. Argon does have an impact on U value and the ideal ratio is 90:10.

[@error.418]

@@templebrown7179 90/10 isn't so much the ideal as it is the NFRC minimum.

[@mightyconker3903]

Walt Disney bs.

[@kamleshshah3711]

HA!...I had a renewal by anderson salesman at my house YESTERDAY. 2 and 1/2 freaking hours "educating" me on how his windows were the best and how my current builder grade windows was forcing me to donate a ton of money to the energy company...and on and on. he told most other "cheap" windows have 20-40% Argon gas and those cheap windows will then leak the gas out in a cpl years, where the anderson renewal windows the argon gas will last over 20 years. ANYWAY...the cost was going to be around 40K for 19 windows. "fibrex" frames cuz there better than wood and vinyl. so question is...is Vinyl sufficient AND how much should i budget for reasonably good windows (ie Anderson 200 or 400?), installed...$500 a window? a $1000 a window? anderson renewal was going to cost me about $2200 a window installed (in NJ). Thanks in advance! (...and also felt like a timeshare sale...price dropped from 53K to 40K IF I BUY NOW!...I DIDNT!)

[@jeremyeverett6186]

Fibrex is 60% vinyl and 40% wood flour (aka sawdust) that is not guaranteed for more than 10 years. It still has all of the same issues as vinyl (warping, twisting, bowing, cracking, etc. due to heat and cold). Check out Fiberglass windows.

[@tommyknockers_8608]

I got the 3 hour hard sell by renewal by anderson last night.. even after all that he wouldn't tell me how much each window cost. He gave me a vague answer about it costing between 220k and 40k for 21 windows (pretty big swing there).. I finally hounded him till he said somewhere around 70k for the house... "But hey I got sales and specials and deals for you if you sign tonight I can drop 30%." Then he came back with how much do you have to spend because I can make that work (for a couple of the windows). Thanks - No thanks They may be great windows but the hard sell and vague answers sat wrong with me.

[@jeremyeverett6186]

@@tommyknockers_8608 Renewal by Andersen charges about $2200 / window

[@tommyknockers_8608]

@@jeremyeverett6186 we were quoted $4600 per window but with discounts he could get to around $3300 each...In the Seattle area. I appreciate the offer but we already scheduled a couple other companies to come out and bid the job.

[@yolandejoazard6655]

😂😂😂😂

[@frankshelton5074]

Hi, this is useful and I was told this. So I looked it up like you said. And the salesman was correct. They do have more Argon gas than anyone else. They have 100% and the website says it does. Renewal by Anderson actually puts their windows together using robots in an Argon filled room. As a result, they have 100% inside. They are so expensove though. Please give me some advice.

[@STsixx]

It’s actually a 98% Argon/Nitrogen content. RBA warranties that efficiency to be at least 90% for 20 years. Well worth it.

[@mariai9549]

hi do you know if the decorative window film from Home improvement stores that is applied from the inside with a spray solution voids the window manufacturer warranty?

[@EBal4]

DO NOT USE GILA PRODUCTS. They WILL fail. It will not be worth the DIY savings when you have to have it removed and replaced with professional film. (8 years window tinting experience)

[@mrwindows4254]

Any after market film used on the manufactures window voids the warranty 100%. I'm a manufacturers representative.

[@ezridr1234]

Damn sure lost the gas in 80% of the windows I had installed and everyone of them are now fogged up with algae or something alive. You can't see thru them at all. Contacting the contractor lead to more money for them to install replacements under warranty as they blame the manufacturer. This is complete BS and I'll never buy or own another set long as I live. It's a racket is what it is, should be a class action lawsuit and if I find one I'll be joining the lawyers on it.

[@bobpizza6138]

This is outdated information as the ratings are constantly changing as technology changes also as building codes require more efficient building products. The energy code also varies by regions that need to meet their requirements for were they are located as determined by the local building code enforcement rules.

[@aarong8735]

They say if you inhale enough argon you can meet jesus.

[@toddbrady8540]

To my knowledge, Argon gas hasn't been used in DG Units for ages, I will stand corrected on this tho, 👍 I been a Glazier for over 25 yrs so have plenty of experience of dodgy salesmen etc

[@ThingsILove2266]

So is there a way to fix a window that has become cloudy? Does that mean the gas has leaked out?

[@gregcorwin8316]

Argon fill is almost automatic in better (and even many to most mid to lower end) residential double and triple pane units. Much more so than in years past.

[@jimgeske609]

Salesmen said new south windows are 100% argon filled. True or false

[@cz16c9]

How do I know if my windows filled with Argon gas or not? I spend 8k for replacing nine windows and main door on condition filling with Argon gas but not sure if they been filled or not?

[@michellenolan8626]

Then you haven't got Argon...Should come with a sticker on window stating it ..

[@cz16c9]

@@michellenolan8626 thank you very much, how should I claim and request compensation please?

[@jfdesignsinc.innovationsid1583]

Sorry bro, but this is pretty much undigestable to 99.999% of any human here lookin for info

[@jeremyeverett6186]

95% Argon fill vs 90% Argon fill means the one with 95% Argon has 5% more of the dense less conductive inert Argon gas and 5% less normal air that can cause windows to fog vs. 90% Argon fill. Theoretically, it would also be more energy efficient with everything else holding constant. Argon gas cost money, and some cheaper manufacturers will cut back on the Argon fill percentage on their windows to cut costs. Cardinal Glass Industries, Ltd., the largest insulated glass unit manufacturer in North America uses 95%. They also have the longest lasting insulated glass unit spacer system. "The Window Dog" is a salesman and is trying to justify what he sells. Do your research and do not believe everything he says as gospel.

[@error.418]

Sounds like you're trying to push Cardinal Glass. Everyone is pushing something.

[@marlonorantes8137]

A rep is trying to sell me ES Windows and windows from Mr Glass. They said it doesn’t have Argon gas in it, that they don’t recommend it because it only lasts about 8 years and some of them yellow up. Is this true? BTW, I live in South Florida.

[@ginni333]

What did you end up going with? I’m getting conflicting info on how much heat argon keeps our vs low e.

[@jakobhough7279]

Dabbella makes a double pane with a .22 u factor

[@greenidguy9292]

Don’t they make sub sandwiches too?

[@floatpilot99]

Do you know anything about Cardinal Glass Industries?

[@thomasc1753]

Cardinal glass is the best you can get in a window.

[@matthewhansknecht1656]

I clicked on your link to find installers in my area that you recommend. The link is to HomeAdvisors powered by Angi. They want all my information for sales marketing. I just want to know who you personally recommend in the Green Cove Springs, FL area. I'd like to pick from your recommendations without "selling out" my personal information for marketers. Thx

[@MikeVirgo-ut9zz]

Having served this industry for over fifty years don’t talk about the insulation advantage in money terms on saving heat .nobody puts an identification label sticker to tell its argon gas filled .?….

[@aarashnavabi4749]

What is the units of the U factor?

[@ralphnolan3187]

If you have drafty windows just seal it

[@octaldecimal2729]

Sunrise seems to be using the 95/5

[@gregcorwin8316]

Sunrise uses the Cardinal IG system.

[@DbiPro]

Ultima finestria

[@jasonmorris5829]

Most windows today don’t contain any argon.

[@frankpinion4937]

How can you tell if your double glazed unit has argon gas in it?

[@gregcorwin8316]

You can't without a device that can read argon fill levels, but last I saw it was over $10,000 for a small hand held unit, and that was several years ago.

[@error.418]

The argon is meant to prevent condensation in the intra-pane space. If you see condensation inside there, or your windows are cloudy, then you can worry about it. Otherwise don't worry about it.

[@prouserprouser9646]

Crist almighty! I can't listen to this man's voice any longer!

[@toddbrady8540]

It is😩🔥🔥🔥

[@JA-wp6cj]

I'll take 23. Should I post my ss# and credit card info here?

[@greenidguy9292]

Just send it to me, I’ll also need the 3 digit number on the back of your card as well as zip code.

[@tiffanyhendrix3594]

Alaskan Windows?

[@beckyzhang7045]

do you do in bc canada，？

[@donvancura703]

I fart on my windows, which gives them a low percentage of methane.

[@ralphnolan3187]

Lol

[@Emeraldcoastking]

i cant stand softlite windows.

[@danielg.8997]

You have got to be joking! If one window is 90% argon and another is only 50%, the window with more argon will certainly be more efficient. How and why do you come up these silly statements.

[@anchalsharma]

Did you hear the complete statement he said? It only matters to look at u factor. It may have more argon but maybe bad material that let's heat transfer. He is absolutely right that the salesman would play with terms that you cant verify. The window will have u factor that you can verify

[@Stonemax11]

We have had 4 different companies come by to sell us cheap vinyl windows that we do not want but the prices are varied and expensive. The biggest gaff we are confused about is the lie about the color of all of the windows. My mom does not want green windows. All of the windows being pushed in our area have a slight green color sold as Low-E Argon gas. Most have said that the windows are not green but will concede and say 'wellll, they are green because it is the gas inside. The windows are clear." Home Depot manager told my dad about it being a noble gas and how it is used for fireworks and that is the color of the gas but its harmless and it keeps the light rays out and energy efficiency inside the house. This is confusing. We want clear dd pane glass no vinyl. Simple? No. Its all confusing. What is the deal with the color of the glass being green? I told my parents it sounds like (cough) bu$&#@t!

[@thomasacosta6302]

The green color of the glass comes from the LoE, or the silver oxide coatings.

[@nayteebre8604]

The green tint comes from the clear annealed glass on the external pane. The internal pane would be a low E hardcoat or mostly softcoat these days which has either a blueish or brownish tint. To minimise this opt for a low iron glass on the external pane instead of standard clear annealed .

[@johnwells1724]

The green is not from Argon. It is from the silver dust component coating the glass interior. It is far better than using Argon. It stays there, it reflects the non-visible light spectrum allowing most all the visible light to come in. The non-visible light spectrum is what ages your furniture, makes your air conditioner work harder and cost more. It is harder on the eyes and is worse in the summertime. Since the insulation spacer that holds the 2 pieces of glass separated can not be allowed to leak it is a key element. Sunlight will break down any spacer over time. It needs to be UV/infrared resistant to the greatest extent possible. I've been a general contractor for 48 years and have installed countless windows. I purchase LowE glass windows and don't even try to rely on Argon any more. It's not worth it if the return on investment is 10 years and the Argon is gone in 5. So far nobody has been able to make a permanent seal for the Argon. I try to buy windows with a larger insulation gap like 5/8" or 3/4" space between the panes. With LowE and dried air this will insulate better than 1/2" Argon filling and not wear out through thermal expansion and contraction.

[@Stonemax11]

God bless you. I know it has been years, but this is by far the best answer to logic and my parents are older did not purchase due to the lack of understanding. You're a good skilled professional. Thank you for sharing knowledge.@@johnwells1724

[@timconnelly6340]

We had another name for Argon gas, We called it "All gone" gas.

[@gregcorwin8316]

who is "we"?

[@timconnelly6340]

The employees at the window factory.

[@gregcorwin8316]

@@timconnelly6340 I guess I would have to be concerned that they think so little of the quality or long term durability of their own product.

[@timconnelly6340]

@@gregcorwin8316 True, the insulated glass units were not the best. QC was bad. Owner knew it, didn't care. It was a trowel grade polysulfide that was applied by hand. Unless the employee was well trained, many open corners and voids were left . Thus, "Algon" gas. Needless to say that company is long gone.

[@gregcorwin8316]

@@timconnelly6340 That's how I was picturing it from your earlier comments. Not surprised they are gone. If you haven't seen any of these, you might enjoy this video....not quite poking holes and trowel grade polysulfide. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXvGdKR_oMhmoqM

[@mzhou05]

Cheating video to fool people

[@gelfredge]

Your entire video is nothing more than a self-promotional sales pitch by which you assume the role of 'informative advocate': you attempt to establish credibility by creating a hypothetical scenario leveraging a preconceived stereo type, and then bash it. This video is EXACTLY what contributes to the reputation of 'slimeballs' in the window business It's deceptive, and in and of itself, is the true Lie that you claim that your debunking.

[@susanlovesjava4961]

Your website is horrible. It doesn't provide any easily accessible information and just refers you to Angi's list where you have to enter personal information. Why don't you vet companies yourself any lust the results without requiring job specifics like the high pitch sales people do?