The awful truth behind Dutch election results - Mehran Khalili interviews Lucille Cornelius

In this interview, recorded on November 22, Mehran Khalili talks with Lucille Cornelius, DiEM25 member and activist living in Amsterdam, Netherlands, about the real meaning behind the Dutch election results, rising far-right and what we can do to tackle this political trend across Europe.
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[@thierryparte2506]

Imagine being proud of your cultural heritage, what a crime

[@joepvandijk7949]

What heritage is Wilders protecting? Not my Dutch heritage, for sure.

[@garyhoward4064]

The beauty of democracy is that the people vote.

[@buzzhawk]

But when Orange Emperor Trump loses: Reeeeee, let's storm the Capitol! Muh rigged election!

[@soniajulie6465]

when they vote in 1 day and don't use electronic ballot counting machines !

[@NotShowingOff]

In illiberal democracies you get to vote, but you don’t get to pick

[@StheSharknl]

@@buzzhawk But when orange man won: Russian collusion. Both sides do this in the US. In the Netherlands we don’t. Clinton/Trump was choosing between a kick in the face or a kick in the nuts anyways 😂

[@StheSharknl]

Also, we could vote for 21 parties and even specify for which people of those parties. Some people call it fragmented, we call it having some sort of choice. I didn’t vote PVV but the lady in the video is talking bull crap. My Muslim neighbors voted PVV and a lot of articles are coming out that Wilders has strong support from people with a migrant background, especially from our Suriname community

[@WaterWizard1]

What a narrowed view of this lady, she clearly has no idea what is going on in Dutch society and in the world... She seems frightened by main stream media, and did she even read the program of this party?

[@gilgamecha]

"an unthinkable travesty of justice" to democratically elect a right wing government??? Somebody really needs to get a grip on reality.

[@amandocissy]

Democratically electing somebody with anti-democratic points throughout his program. This type of framing is extremely misleading. Just because a lot of people voted for someone doesnt make them just or righteous by any means. If you genuinely think that you should try and read up on European history and some of its democratically elected leaders of the past.

[@brian5154]

The Netherlands and Holland are not the same thing. The country is called The Netherlands (Nederland)

[@2001lextalionis]

This is about the failure of Liberalism The PVV was able to cobble together enough support to overturn the system which threw the peope overboard a generation ago. Argentina is also a confirming indicator. Its one thing to be an outsider and critical of the system, its another entirely to be part of a ruling coalition. I have faith in the Dutch people

[@amandocissy]

Liberalism is flawed because its capitalist not because its 'inclusive'. This is about the fall of Europe, and their decreasing hold over the global economy. Resulting in the fascist response to conserve their hegemonic reign and the idealised image of the past.

[@TheLeksilijum]

At one point they discussed what the win of the far right in Netherlands is going to do to the elections in Europe. But maybe a better question is to ask what the persistent loss of the Left in multiple countries over the past few years has taught us and when are we going to stop failing.

[@kailashpatel1706]

Do you have an answer?

[@TheLeksilijum]

@@kailashpatel1706 I have a vague idea but then again I'm not a professional politician, just a potential voter. We're condescending and bourgeois. And nobody, especially not the people who vote left, likes the bourgeois posture. Moralizing, preaching, overexplaining and worst of all - criticizing each other. Like... when the yellow vests were protesting in France most leftist acivists I talked to criticized them for misogyny, homophobia, racism... based purely on bad jokes they shared during protests and comments about pretty women who were passing by. Most of them were middle aged blue collar workers. Now they probably vote Le Pen.

[@sparklemotion8377]

Exactly! I wish I had the luxury to get upset about Wilders's victory.

[@VasSagar]

Wilders has made 40 trips to Israel in his life..

[@EVOpower]

Good for him

[@kp6215]

Housing and costs harming the people and men blame others.

[@joepvandijk7949]

?

[@LuisAldamiz]

@@joepvandijk7949 - Housing bubble, social expenditure almost vanished, blame the Muslim? I blame the Christian-Liberal, really. We need more Lenins and Marx of any "race" and we need them now.

[@TTTzzzz]

I think that hardly anybody who voted PPV is anti-European. The Dutch are 'masters' of international commerce and leaving the EU would kill their economy. They also love to travel abroad. The chance that the Dutch would vote for a Nexit is zero.

[@theglanconer6463]

In the 2006 referendum we voted NO to more EU with 63% versus 37%. That's why the oligarchy abolished referenda in our country. So keep on dreaming.

[@TTTzzzz]

Who took the trouble to vote? And how is the UK doing?

[@Vincrand]

@@TTTzzzz the EU doesn't want to cooperate with the UK in order to make an example of leaving the EU. Ever since the Dutch have entered the EU and got the euro the buying power of it's citizens dropped by about 50%. The state has more income tax than before, but it's the EU who decides where the money goes. The Netherlands also have been 'masters' of international trade well before the EU.

[@TTTzzzz]

What would happen to the Dutch economy if the EU 'punishes' the Netherlands as it did the UK?

[@Factchekka]

You probably thought that chances of Geert Wilders winning the election was also "zero". You're not listening!

[@thhbrw]

Yanis has brought up many times that the “navel gazing” of the left was going to be taken advantage of by the right. De situatie in Nederland is het bewijs dat Yanis gelijk had.

[@teardrop-in-a-fishbowl]

Since months, if not years, I talk about that the right is consolidating where the left is failing important politics and advertising it, what would be NECESSARY to hear and emphasized by the people in need! We can't talk and talk go in clashes over mostly minor things and rip ourselves to pieces. Watch what's happening in Germany, it's more than a tragedy for the left. It's devastating, but mirrors exactly the view people have of the German left, for YEARS now. The future prospect for the European left is dark and if we don't get in the shoes soon, we will face horror scenarios in our parliament and more so devastating politics. I'm pretty fed up with all this sh*t, the inability to gain some foot on the ground when decade long centrist politics gives us so much munition, while cheap right-wing rhetoric gains ground everywhere. We, our leadership, is unable to focus on a few things and give solutions so that people can relate to that. Instead of this we discuss things, often not even important issues people really have, to death, but can't focus on the things that matter much for the people. Eff that intellectual bs, that's not going anywhere but makes the left look like a debating and self destruction club.

[@muesliman100]

The SP should make their old youth club their leaders, they are better left wing advocates than SP has been in the last two decades

[@LuisAldamiz]

That's because "the left" is meant to do nothing or almost nothing (a focused fight here and there culminating on some half-assed micro-reform while the oligarchs keep counter-reforming every day and night). If we're going to be "the left" of the regime of our enemies, we are pointless and useless. We need to be very ambitious and stop wasting our time in holding the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie standing, we need a revolutionary organization with a revolutionary program and shrug off the rest.

[@Vincrand]

The left has been consolidating the last years, while the right has had a lot more splinter parties.

[@zincminus3793]

Why would the Netherlands want to stay in the EU???

[@rickyspanish4792]

Because it's been really good to us in many ways. There's not much of a downside.

[@Vincrand]

@@rickyspanish4792 a big downside is less autonomy, which resulted in: - in 30 years a drop of 50% in buying power for the citizens partly because other points hereafter). - open borders --> biggest 3 cities are now less than 50% Dutch. Immigration cost 20+ billion a year. - the Dutch are the biggest net payer/ citizen to the EU. - no control over a own currency (I know this isn't EU, but euro).

[@DenUitvreter]

@@rickyspanish4792 Nonsense. The EEC was good, the EU has appropriated it's free trade to enforce a political agenda of the unelected that has been disastrous for the Dutch, and through the euro they have already stolen many billions from the Dutch pensions and savings.

[@EVOpower]

The EU has destroyed Europe

[@timkbirchico8542]

There goes the 'hood

[@jurrekieboom2208]

*PVV won 25% of the vote, not the Majority. 25% of the electorate is sort of the core group to whom this type of rethoric appeals to in NL. PVV got most of the new votes from the VVD who massively bombed their own campaign by trying to put a political novice, of turkish descent, to win over the xenophobic vote against migration from an old fox who's done this for ages, and a considerable last minute consolidation among other far-right voters. Left parties didn't really loose a lot of votes to the right, except for the socialist party (SP) who've struggling to maintain their party in the prevailing right-wing dominated anti-establishment discourse for several elections in a row.

[@michalwiacek8613]

37% of votes.

[@jurrekieboom2208]

@@michalwiacek8613 No 37 out of 150 seats in parliament equals 24.6% of the votes. the actually had slightly less.

[@michalwiacek8613]

@@jurrekieboom2208 you're right. Thanks

[@sreckobrzin8534]

​@@michalwiacek8613???

[@Speetzer]

Ordinary, mild-minded people may vote for the party in the opposite direction, often as a punishment (flogging) to their own core party. This is a warning message from the voters to the left parties. And most of the time it works.

[@sheevinopalpatino4782]

The right-wing has been ruling the Netherlands. The past 13 years we had the VVD, the PVV came from it. Stop pretending left-wing parties have had control of my country.

[@jonathancooper4914]

Social democrats’ real jobs are to lift people up before letting them down. They’re their own worst enemies.

[@susanshelit]

The elections are held in the Netherlands not just Holland.

[@joepvandijk7949]

That misunderstanding keeps being fed by the Dutch themselves! Mind you Dutch is not Deutsch either!

[@susanshelit]

@@joepvandijk7949 enkel door de hollanders. Brabanders etc zullen eerder the Netherlands zeggen, gok ik.

[@DaveBerendhuysen]

@@susanshelit Als Brabander vind ik het verschil tussen Holland en Nederland een nutteloze onderscheiding. We zeggen vaker Randstad dan Holland als we het over die regio hebben. Het zijn zo goed als synoniemen geworden en het boeit niet, totdat iemand het verschil aanhaalt. Dan denk ik: waar gaat het over?

[@susanshelit]

@@DaveBerendhuysen over geschiedkundige en geografische accuraatheid. Niet ieder zijn ding. Ps: Ik voel me geen Hollander. Ik voel me Brabander. De verschillen zijn m.i. zeer groot. Zowel in leefstijl, geschiedenis en heersend gedachtengoed.

[@DaveBerendhuysen]

@@susanshelit Binnen Nederland is het inderdaad belangrijk om de juiste naam te gebruiken, dan zijn Holland en Brabant wel degelijk verschillende dingen. Maar in de internationale context maakt het niet zoveel verschil of je nou Holland of Nederland gebruikt.

[@dreammfyre]

Is this video getting botted/brigaded? Seems like it to me.

[@buzzhawk]

Far right trolls.

[@ronaldonmg]

I don´t understand your question. What do you mean by "botted" or "brigaded"?

[@rickyspanish4792]

@@ronaldonmg like someone on the right spreading the link to this video to their right wing buddies, with the mission of spamming the comment section with right wing support and bigotry and such

[@Tylar122]

They won the election. There’s no botting or brigading it’s the reflecting of the populations thoughts. My god you live in an echo chamber

[@Factchekka]

That's because you are like all leftists, you can't accept that everyone doesn't think like you.

[@sakariaskoivisto1471]

"revival of nationalism". Its about more than that. No economical factors are mentioned in this interview, which makes this analysis superficial. This explains part of the reasons why right parties all across europe are doing extremely well in elections. We know that when things get tough and people have less money, people tend to become more protective of their own positions. The appeal for populists grow and people tend to vote more towards the right. And on the immigrant issue, it is a serious matter for the regular people who vote. The left can thank themselves for not taking it seriously and dismissing anybody who touches the topic as racist. Why do people struggle with their economy and have less money and securities? This is what should be asked.

[@gilgamecha]

Totally agree. For supposed Marxists, DIEM25 are doing a bad job at looking at material economic reality for the explanations.

[@amandocissy]

What the general public percieves as leftwing is still neoliberalism and capitalism. Naturally more neoliberalism is not the solution to problems caused by it in the first place, so people will seek alternatives. Fascism for geert and conservatism for Omtzigt and Caroline. The reason the economy has gone to shit is because of neoliberal policy by the VVD which has torn down our welfare and left our essential needs up to big companies and foreign investors. Its the reason our housing market is shit, our healthcare is shit, our insurances are shit, and our energy is shit. The endless economizing of the expenses on the recieval of refugees obviously leads to trouble and tensions as well. Which plays right into the cards of far-right populists such as Geert, but lets be honest Omtzigt and Caroline too, that it's all because of the refugees that we have these problems. After all it is much more appealing and palattable to say: these people are the issue! Than: Our entire economic system is inherently flawed! Moderate parties like D66, and PvdA also fail to address these glaringly obvious issues, and instead thrive off of a vague altruistic and anti-violence sentiment within the middle class. Completely ignoring the actual issues within our society and just wanting everybody to get along nicely and stop complaining. Again this plays right into the cards of right wing populists who will paint this as the overall left-wing stance and use the indignation and rage of the struggling lower class and the increasingly struggling middle class to their advantage. It is this completely twisted and irrational idea that the left is for the elites and well educated but naive youth, and the right for the hard working middle and lower class. Which is the cause of these extreme results. And yes they are extreme. People voted for a pro-police anti-establishment populist who uses the rage of the lower and middle class to demonise a group of people based on their ethnicity and belief. Anyone with a basic knowledge of european history would be alarmed and extremely pessismistic.

[@Stash186]

Correct

[@sheevinopalpatino4782]

Second largest party is left-wing lmao

[@kp6215]

Backlash is coming if you don't learn how to communicate.

[@joepvandijk7949]

?

[@stanstreatfield3485]

Nationalism and blaming foreigners for the problems of a country , gee ... where have we heard that before?

[@oldhippie8774]

The whole of EUROPE!

[@joepvandijk7949]

@@oldhippie8774 Actually in every Nation State of the world it happens. In some parts of the world more than in others, that's true.

[@DenUitvreter]

Foreigners are a huge problem to this country, and parliament is not to serve foreigners.

[@EVOpower]

DANGEROUS FOR WHO?

[@amandocissy]

In the short run, the most marginalised groups within the Netherlands. In the long run everybody.

[@abbasof7920]

There are many bot accounts commenting. U need to deal with that at some point I sink!

[@HerbaSanitas-zq1su]

Yep, troll bots all around.

[@gilgamecha]

Sure everyone who's opinion is different from yours is "a bot". You should work for mainstream media, they need people who think like you.

[@kayedal-haddad9294]

Before this shock win, I thought he was back on the fringes of Dutch politics!

[@joepvandijk7949]

It is not at all clear yet that "he won't be the prime minister", as Lucille Cornelius says.

[@LuisAldamiz]

He has around 50 backers in a 150 seats Parliament. He won't be PM, not with this Parliament anyhow.

[@lucfrombelgium5435]

Coming to previous situation by blocking is that to SWING or the SAME

[@jyvandendool5465]

Was there not a more knowledgeable person to be interviewed? She has no idea.

[@mikecarroll4735]

He's great, the people have spoken. Conservative view is not far right.

[@newshound2521]

No one ever is, except that they are

[@StheSharknl]

PVV ain’t right at all, they are conservative but socially they are quite leftish

[@dvidclapperton]

But support of the EU is far from being exclusively a left wing thing.

[@newshound2521]

@@StheSharknl Why do the right always have to deny being right? They're not a left wing party even if they have some "!eft" ideas.

[@EVOpower]

​@dvidclapperton yes only leftwing people could support such anti Democratic pro mass migration Clubs like that

[@catherinemoore9534]

👏💯

[@raedy07]

d lady needs to understand that when d people start to feel like strangers AT HOME, they will support whoever promises to return them their identity. so there's no unemployment amongst d immigrants, they all work in d jobs d dutch refuse to do nowadays? i think i heard otherwise :/

[@HateAndSuffer]

He not dangerous he is savior of dutch people for immigrants conqueror I salute wilders

[@subimaginos]

Firstly, Holland is a part of the Netherlands. Just like England or Scotland are parts of UK. Secondly, the people of the Netherlands saw through the lies of the current government and wanted a change. PVV (Wilders) is the most known about anti-immigration stories, but that is a small part of the story - he is for sovereignty of the NL and that is what people want. No doubt he will form the government otherwise there will be massive country wide strikes and protests, the country will stop if Wilders doesn't form the government.

[@joa8227]

Well said

[@rickyspanish4792]

Which lies exactly? And how is Wilders going to fix them? It's a naive protest vote. Only thing this guy knows is hate.

[@dvidclapperton]

It's not FPTP. 76.4% voted for other parties and the share of the seats far closer reflects the share of the vote in the Netherlands than it does in the UK.

[@dvidclapperton]

@subimaginos The way it works in the Netherlands electoral ayatem is that the leader of the largest party is not automatically the PM and that is 100% legal and 100% fair. If he can't manage to do a deal with other parties who share another 26.4% of the vote to form a government he won't be PM. That is 100% fair and 100% legal Wilders has no divine right to be the PM just because he's the leader of the largest party. .

[@Vincrand]

@@dvidclapperton there is roughly a 2/3 majority in favour of a center-right coalition.

[@dronechoons]

Interesting conversation, thanks. Nailed it at the end. Really need to find a way to beat the rights sloganism. Really is important to figure that out. Interestiing Lucille points out that they only ever go with 1,2, or 3 points.

[@herefortheluls2267]

Ha! All the left does is throw slogans around and ignore the shitty state of things anytime they get their way.

[@ulisirius9027]

Globalism is marching with all means and scenarios Teil 1 : Der subjektlose Prozess der Verwertung des Werts aus Wert mehr Wert zu generieren führt vermittelt durch den stummen Zwang der Konkurrenz zum Prozess des Kapitals zum Weltkapital. Dabei bleiben schwache Nationen auf der Strecke, mittlere werden unterhöhlt, starke bilden Tiefe Staaten aus. Bei diesem Prozess bildet sich eine transnationale Ebene , bestehend aus Multis, Multikultis, NGOs, EU usw.. ( Globalisierung). Globalismus befördert diesen Prozess, bewusst wie bewusstlos. Teil 2 Vermittelt durch den stummen Zwang der Konkurrenz, dem Neid, der Gier, ab er auch dem Wunsch nach Sorgfalt, der ökologischen Rückverfolgbarkeit, der Bekämpfung von Kriminalität, Steuerhinterziehung, dem Wunsch zu kennen was der Konsument wie konsumiert, dem Wunsch nach Kontrolle, der besseren Konsumierbarkeit, der immanenten technischen Entwicklung bedingt auch durch mögliche Kriege usw., wird die Technologie, Information, Konsumption, Produktion zusammengeschaltet gleichgeschaltet und immer mehr werden angeschlossen. Immer mehr wird vercodet und gechipt.Die industrielle Maschinerie verschmilzt mit dem Organischen und der nationalen Staatsmaschine. Alles was hergestellt wird kommt in die Maschine alles was benötigt wird aus der Maschine. Güter fliessen in der Maschine. Alle sind angeschlossen. Überall ist Zentrum. Teil 3 Rückkopplung des Konsums in die Produktion geschieht automatisch. Jeder Wunsch jede Ab- Stimmung wird erfasst und koppelt sich in die Maschine zurück Das Marketing möchte das wie, wann wo und warum kennen. Cookies werden losgeschickt und implementiert. Zentralisierung der Macht führt zum planetaren Kontrollstellen wie im Bankenwesen. Digitalisierung führt zur Abschaffung des Bar- Geldes. Teil 4 Das Warenuniversum des Kapitals und seine Logik ist imperial und total. Alles wird absorbiert, verschiedenes wird verglichen, bedingt durch das Geld, dem Gleichmacher, es ist Vergleichung. Die Egalité ist was sehr kapitalistisches. Das Kapital geht mit der Communis schwanger. Teil 5 Jede Abstimmung immerzu soll da in Perfektion erfasst sein und keine Ab- Stimmung soll verloren gehen. Die Geldmonaden, das formvollendete Individuum soll da schwirren in der Zirkulation, global total. Frei verfügbar soll die Arbeitskraft weltweit verwertet werden können. Nationalstaaten sind heute dafür nur noch hinderlich. Die reine Plutokratie ist durchgesetztes Weltkapital. Radikal imperial. Formvollendete Verhandelbarkeit von allem Abstimmbarkeit über jedes Vegleichbarkeit von allem. D.h. auch Austauschbarkeit. Voilà der Globalfaschismus als vollendete Plutokratie. Dieser kann mehr technokratische, mehr ökofaschistische Züge haben, er kann auch oszillieren. Hängt wohl von der Verlaufsform ab. Teil 6 Vergleichung ist dem Gelde immanent. Irgend ein Schnösel legt ein Sack davon auf den Tisch. Wer Gleichheit ablehnt muss das Geldsystem ablehnen. So liegt in der Unterhölung des Bargeldes immer auch die Kontrolle, der Kontrollwunsch. Die Krise kann zu Reformgeld aber auch zur Weltkastenherrschaft führen. Die Eliten können direkt durchregieren. Voilà, Globalfaschismus als Kastenherrschaft. Teil 7 Die Digitalisierung führt zur weiteren Machtkonzentration aber auch der Abschaffung des Bargeldes. Da alle an die Maschine angeschlossen sind kann theoretisch eben auch die Dazwischenkunft des Geldes ganz abgeschafft werden. Die Leute nehmen sich das was sie benötigen "aus" der Maschine. Was knapp ist wird via Zufallsgeneratoren zugewiesen. Jeder ist qua Geburt oder Zeugung darin. Alle sind schlussendlich eingebetet in die Maschine. Es gibt kein Aussen mehr. Alle Universa und Dimensionen sind all absorbiert für alle Zeit und Ewigkeit bis in alle Ewigkeit. Voilà Globalfaschismus als Communis. Lohnsystem ist auch beseitigt. Zumindest politökonomisch. (Bei-Sein-In). Teil 8 Durch Machtkämpfe können sich Eliten durchsetzen die die Technologien völlig nihilistisch befördern. Es entstehen dystopisch kollektivistische Szenarien. Giger Kunst, Borg, Matrix worin die Technik den Menschen verschlingt und vernutzt. ( In- Sein-Bei). Voilà Globalfaschismus als Dystopie. Teil 9 Und bedingt durch Ordo ab Chaos Strategien, aber auch apolaren Strategien, werden Nationalstaaten geschwächt. Umvolkung bzw. Migrationspakt laufen aus dem Ruder. Der faschistische Islam übernimmt das Szepter. Auch durch Dekadenz ist ein solches Szenario möglich. Voilà der Islamfaschismus. Umma als sklavistisch mafiotisches Dschihad Imperium. Teil 10 Wichtig ist noch folgendes. Die Communis basiert auf Transzendenz auf Entwicklungsfähigkeit. Dazu ist eine Art bewusste Religion/ Spiritualität vonnöten. Dies zur Abgrenzung der Dystopie. Wir wollen den neuen Menschen als Chiborg( Kiborg) nicht Borg. Teil 11 Dies und das. Vermehrung erfolgt kulturell wie von einer gewissen Stabilität aus betrachtet aber auch idealtypisch 1. Monogam, 2.polygam( mit Sexsklaverei und Cousinenehe), 3. Retortenzucht, Eugenik, Euthanasie oder Lebensschutz. 4. Promisk in Kombination mit öffentlichen Ritualen 5. Polyamorie kann durchaus überall auftreten. Ist aber keine feste Struktur. --- Ausserdem kämpft das Lebensschützerische gegen das Bevölkerungsreduktionistische. Das Sexualfeindliche gegen das Sexualfreundliche. Teil 12 Der universale Kampf. Seit es höhere Staatlichkeit oder militärische Kampfkraft gibt, gibt es die Auseinandersetzung ob die Ordnung lokal, gruppenspezifisch, regional zu verbleiben hat oder "überall" zu gelten hat. Dabei ist es einerlei ob etwas partikulares universal ausgebreitet wird oder eine universelle Idee. Da es nicht nur die Erde mit Leben gibt, sondern auch andere Planeten mit Leben und auch höherem Leben, ist davon auszugehen das dieser Grundkonflikt wirklich und wahrhaftig universal ist. Dieser Kampf ist derjenige zwischen Empire/ Global Gouvernance/Weltordnungsidee/ Reichsidee auf der einen Seite und der nationalen Souveränität(Nationalsouveränismus) auf der anderen Seite. Dabei gibt es viele Pläne auf allen Seiten, bewusstes wie unbewusstes agieren. Die Vertreter der Weltordnungsidee agieren dabei selbstverständlich mit allen Mitteln Mitteln, wie auch ihre Gegner. Heute zumeist unipolar oder apolar. Die souveränistischen Akteure zumeist von strikter Souveränität( mit Cheks and Balances und direkter Kommunikation) oder gehen von einem Konzept von Multipolarität aus. Nationale Souveränisten gehen davon aus das es Freihandel nur unter gleichstarken geben kann. Idealtypisch demokratisch, moderate Libertäre wie moderate Sozialisten. Starker Präsident oder Milizkollegium. Der Kapitalismus wird sozial gezähmt, allerdings nicht überwunden. Jede Nation soll ihre eigene Raumfahrt machen. --- Es ist noch hinzuzufügen das es wechselnde Allianzen und Querfronten geben kann. Und auch die Strömungen untereinander sich zum Teil heftig bekämpfen können. Teil 13. Attila Hildmann. Faktisch alles kann globalistisch transformiert werden. Selbst völkisches und partikulares kann umgedreht werden. Deshalb wäre bei Durchsetzung des deutschen Nationalsozialismus umgehend ein globalistischer Transnationalsozialismus geworden. Hildmann verkürzt vieles ist aber unterstützenswert da er das Overton Fenster verschiebt. Hildmann ist wie Kenfm Antizionist. Kenfm hat mehr Einfluss wie ein Hildmann. Zionismus. Ist die Bewegung für Volk und Heimat im Judentum und die Durchsetzung europäisch abendländischer Nationalstaatlichkeit innerhalb des Judentums. Bei allen Allianzen, mit Globalisten Selbsthassern, Islamisten usw., war der Zionismus bis jetzt sehr erfolgreich sich durchzusetzen. Antisemitismus kann man überwinden durch Affirmation der Zirkulation. Zum einen wie Trump durch nationalen Patriotismus und (säkularisierten) Calvinismus. Zum anderen wie es Finanzglobalisten tun, alles in die Zirkulation. Dahin gehört auch der Globalfaschismus der Israel zu Weltisrael (Postzionismus) aufbläst oder die Zirkulation durch die Maschine ersetzt oder diese deckungsgleich macht. (Postkapitalismus) Attila verbleibt auf der subjektiven Handlungsebene und verabsolutiert diese bzw. hängt sich bei Spezialplänen auf. Es ist zwar richtig das es Verantwortlichkeiten gibt, es den universalen Kampf aber eben nicht juckt ob mehr Soros, mehr, Transhumanismus mehr Gates oder Rockefeller dahintersteckt, die Engelwesen auf Sirius juckt das nicht... Es sind eben nicht nur Juden sondern auch Buddhisten, Christen, Synkretisten, Mohammedaner, Nihilisten,Atheisten usw unter den globalistischen Akteuren... Compact Magazin. Communis ist gemeinschaftlich durchgeführter Genuss. Dies gilt überhistorisch. Das marxsche präfaschistische Verständnis verbleibt in erster Linie bürgerlich immanent. Heute wissen wir: Emanzipation führt in den Transhumanismus, ist zwar auch globalfaschistisch, aber wohl dystopisch. Bin zwar kein Identitärer aber ohne Identitäres wird es nicht gehen. War früher eher wachstumskritisch, bzw. für einen Mix, heute neige ich immer mehr zur massiven Steigerung der Energieflussdichte, mindestens bis die Nationen eigene Weltraumsiedlungen haben.Siehe Positionen Dr Blex, Benedict Kaiser, Sieferle, Sellner, Curio, LaRouche.(Spannungsbogen). Quelle zum Globalfaschismus. Kommentarsektion von Kenfm. Dort treten Globalfaschisten hervor. Propagieren aggressiv Reichsidee. Bedrohen AfD, Identitäre, Kenfm und seine Querfronten, Patrioten usw..Sind für (!!!) SAntifa.

[@Vincrand]

The main left party had only 1 point...

[@Factchekka]

​@@ulisirius9027Do you think anyone is going to read, let alone understand all of this? 🤔

[@ulisirius9027]

@@Factchekka The people read Hegel, Schiller, Nietzsche, Heidegger, Marx, they will read it.

[@kp6215]

😘

[@kp6215]

From San Francisco

[@tims9434]

I've been aware of Geert since I studied racism at university in 2009 and I understand the difference between Geerts views and racist views.

[@truecanadian8254]

Only white people always say that racists aren't racists.

[@DRS659]

Can you explain your perceived differences please?

[@joepvandijk7949]

I disagree. His fiercely anti-islamic views do boil down to racism in the end. One thing is to criticize ideas, quite another to link those ideas to entire populations. He's racist all right, and anti-immigration, although he is of partly Indonesian descent and although his wife is Hungarian... that does not change a thing.

[@susanshelit]

@@joepvandijk7949 Islam is not a race, its a religion. So most you can call him is a zealot. This insanity about calling everything racist. Can't you see how utterly brainwashed you sound??

[@susanshelit]

@@DRS659 perceived...🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮

[@everibarovski7963]

Shocking outcome in Dutch elections From Australia 🇦🇺

[@everibarovski7963]

@@BocaoZ wrong very wrong. Load of krap The Dutch government tried to take most of the farmers land to build housing but the farmers won. People are moving more to nationalism and your government doesn't want any more refugees. Which I think may lead to fascism. Holland doesn't have enough housing for its own people rich people buying up property in the city left empty just which is the cause of Amsterdam being very expensive and unliveable city. It's criminal the rich have got the best real estate. Greed and corruption going on At a fast rate. God bless Australia the best country to live in the world.

[@not.likely]

Incredibly good outcome. You'll have to tone down now

[@klompb]

​@florreal4891 how is this a good outcome?

[@not.likely]

@@klompb how is it not?

[@klompb]

@florreal4891 With the exception of 94-98 the Netherlands has had a right-wing government for 46 years. Instead of understanding that all of the issues our society is facing is due to conservative policies, people think the solution is more rightwing politics. Including the most banal misdirection of chosing to scapegoat a minority. And thats not even addressing the parties stance on climate change or the intellectual dissonance in the PVV policies. It beyond belief that our people too are this ignorant.

[@MartinMaat]

He is bad alright. But he is not the worst though. We have someone considerably worse in Dutch politics (really far right) and he lost big in this election so there is a silver lining. Geert is mainly known for his anti-imigration and anti-islam stance and he is generally anti-Arab. He is outspokenly pro-Israel and probably takes money from the Israelis. So, that is bad enough. I do not expect him to get anywhere with his anti-islam BS but he will propably get his cap on immigration because other parties will see there is no gain in opposing that. The years to come will be chaotic with lots of scandals (the first one already emerged) because he will not be able to fill those seats with remotely capable people. It is going to be "interesting".

[@muesliman100]

Probably gets money from Israel and Russia both. I think the only reason the usual FVD voters voted for PVV now though is because it seemed like he had a larger chance at getting into government

[@rickyspanish4792]

@@muesliman100 well, FVD was big during corona. Now that corona is a bit less on the foreground, there's not much merit to voting some coke addicted fascist lol

[@ulisirius9027]

The main conflict is about globalism and national sovereignty. Unipolarism/apolarism and multipolarism are in this conflict an area of fight too. Social/solidar patriotism must win this fight. For Europe: EFTA or an Europe based on sovereign nation states, reformed OSCE, abolishing Nato and working together with the BRICS are the aims. But the sovereignty of the national people first. Every nation makes its own space travel.

[@jsb7975]

Big cities in The Netherlands have now a majority of non-western, mostly north african people which should not have to be a problem in itself. But self-segregation mostly by muslims themselves gives a lot of tension especially while their prefered loyalty lies with their second passport. This is obvious for everybody even for some muslims as well. M.s.m. and uni's have like elswhere in the current West a principled leftist view which suppresses any critical view on reality of daily life. They clearly have a position that has to be preserved in their own benefit, thus influencing people to think and act in the p.c. way. At a certain point things will boil over like also in other parts of Europa is happening.

[@susanshelit]

The ridiculous idea of leaving the Eu. It's not ridiculous

[@joepvandijk7949]

It would bring the Netherlands to it's knees. Imagine there to be a hard border between Belgium, Germany and the Netherlands! Impossible. The Dutch economy is completely dependent on trade, whether you like it or not. I don't like that fact, but it does mean you cannot leave the EU. If even in the UK it shatters things, what do you think it does to the Netherlands, such a small country. Leaving the EU just like that is suicide for the Netherlands. Let's rather transform the EU into something that works for everybody, like DiEM25 advocates.

[@susanshelit]

@@joepvandijk7949 Hoe kom je erbij dat de Brexit slecht was? Het ging beter dan ooit met de UK. Ze hebben echter meegedaan met die economie verwoestende corona maatregelen. Daarbij is een constructie mogelijk zoals de EEG waarvan ik sowieso vind dat we daarnaar terug moeten. Vrij handelsverkeer prima maar een dictatoriale regentschap van onverkozen, machtsgeile mensen zoals Timmermans is niet goed voor onze economie en kán niet goed zijn júist omdat we zo klein zijn. Onze belangen zullen altijd een ondergeschoven kindje zijn.

[@LuisAldamiz]

For the Netherlands it is.

[@susanshelit]

@@LuisAldamiz no it isn't

[@LuisAldamiz]

@@susanshelit - Wishful thinking on your side. I'm hoping you're actually Dutch and not, as usual with mindless right-winger anti-EU stands some type of Anglosaxon.

[@LuisAldamiz]

Mehran: why don't you want Resistance? Shouldn't DiEM23 be all for Revolution? We need something more than mere passive petty-bourgeois liberal culturalist inertias (why "progressive"? "progressive" is right wing already, progressive is Scholz the warmonger and Biden the genocider, we should not be "progressive" but revolutionary socialists), we need a revolutionary program and a revolutionary organization and expect nothing from Capitalism.

[@mkh4lili]

Happy to respond, but to be clear: what are you referring to exactly? I don’t recall saying resistance is bad.

[@tonywilson4713]

*AND YOU ARE EXACTLY WHY THE LEFT LOSES.* Do you NOT get that the entire Western World has seen what Radical Left Socialism did to Eastern Europe for 50 years? There is no damn way anyone wants to go back for a second round of what the Soviets did or what happened in East Germany, Romania, Poland or any of the other Eastern block countries. We all know that we can't keep going how we are BUT THERE'S NO WAY that anyone wants the crap your selling.

[@LuisAldamiz]

@@mkh4lili - 18:30 "I hope it doesn't get to that point actually". Previously Lucille said that "... resistance is inevitable, it will come, that's my hope". It's not that you said "resistance is bad" but clearly she expressed hopes that it will happen and you expressed hope of the opposite, maybe out of fear?

[@mkh4lili]

@@LuisAldamiz ah yes - I was referring to what she said about the noose tightening, not resistance… but I can see how it could be interpreted that way!

[@jeanpautot1796]

tre bien

[@jdebono29]

I really don't understand why you would brand your own organisation as a "radical" one. What's your thinking in that regard?

[@mkh4lili]

We are for system change, hence radical. Do you think it’s a negative?

[@jdebono29]

@@mkh4lili I do. I’m a firm believer in anything “radical” being a net negative, regardless of the ostensible “good” at its outset or at face value. I’m deterred by the term “radical” even though I support your organisation’s mandate wholeheartedly and am not deterred by the term at the end of the day. But I think that the reason I’m not deterred by your use of the term is because I disagree with you on your use of it :)

[@DaveBerendhuysen]

@@jdebono29 What do you believe radical means and why wouldn't it be fitting in this context?

[@jdebono29]

@@DaveBerendhuysen I know what the term means, in that I am aware that it applies to anything that proposes a change in the nature of something. However, I don’t see the value in an organisation like this one using it to label itself, because I think that the vast majority of people use the terms “radical” and “extreme” interchangeably, especially when discussing politics and movements, which in turn implies that many people believe the terms are synonymous to each other. Technically speaking, Diem is a radical movement par excellence, because it demands a fundamental system change, but I question the value in it labeling itself as radical from a strategic standpoint.

[@lukasmolcic5143]

​@@jdebono29 comes from the latin "root" and the idea is that we need a fundamental (scary word again) changes to how we do things. However I do agree, most people think of chaos, riots etc. when they hear the word, so communication wise it would be better to find a different term.

[@WhoOneIs]

Unfortunately Geert Wilders is Europe’s future.

[@LuisAldamiz]

Europe doesn't have a future anymore: we're all Argentina and our rulers are all Milei. :(

[@Extension_Farmer]

Im glad. The alternative is Africa being Europes future.

[@buzzhawk]

@@Extension_Farmer Wilders means that Alabama, Russia or Belarus are Europe's future.

[@rickyspanish4792]

bwahaha

[@not.likely]

Nothing unfortunate about it. Christian soil for Christians

[@JoseHernandez-ee6wq]

The netherlanders voted and they´ll have to live with it. They are worried about human inmigration. But hey! they welccome foreign money. Money talks dutch, no matter wether its printed in chinese, urdu or iki swahili.

[@EVOpower]

Cope leftwinger.

[@user-qs2qs2jj1i]

Give the indigenous Dutch a voice on the left. Don't make them think the only people who understand their needs are the right. Cultural maintenance is valid. It doesn't have to get to the point where people agitate to shut down mosques.

[@LamneYokaMou]

Even Gert Wilders did better than Diem25 in the elections. Lol.

[@jeanpautot1796]

ou et le danger.

[@kp6215]

Teach the truth about the Quran

[@joepvandijk7949]

?

[@gilgamecha]

Diem25 you need to climb off your high horse and actually listen to the ordinary people you claim to represent. Do you ever even talk to ordinary people? Seems not. DIEM25 is going nowhere unless you start engaging with real people, not just students and career activists.

[@paulkiernan3256]

Gert simply talks about the evelephant in the room. Look at the core political doctrine of Islam. Not all societies are compatible. We must live in the real world if our grandchildren are to enjoy our freedoms.

[@chrismanao3050]

Why is it such a bad thing to be proud of your heritage? You can be proud of your heritage and your country without being a right wing extremist.

[@isamkamel]

Nothing wrong with being proud of heritages w/o feeling superior. Geerd Wilders is a human with disregard to other cultures, he is a scumbag. His toxic mindset is self destructive. It's up to the people to defend or not values they have fought for and earned!

[@nordseeistmordsee]

Because your heritage comes from the lottery of life and not by any efforts or achievements

[@chrismanao3050]

@@nordseeistmordsee you need a history lesson

[@joepvandijk7949]

There are quite a few things the Dutch can be proud of: the independence struggle from Spain in the 16th and 17th century, the tolerance for Jews, receiving many Jewish refugees from Portugal and Spain in the 16th century, etc. But all this went hand in hand with colonisation, slavery, oppression, "smal scale" genocides (Banda islands) etc. If they want me to be proud of those, I say: NO!

[@pierre-yvesmachavoine4983]

@@joepvandijk7949 pride (or guilt) in other's achievements (or mischiefs) makes no sense. Only pride/guilt in your own actions and behaviours could make sense. Even then if you zoom out you'll realize your actions and behaviours are heavily influenced by who brought you up your relatives etc so in the end... a little pride, a little guilt, a lot of gratitude and a sense of wonder ? =)

[@mzncjdkslakpd]

If the Dutch are so proud of their identity, then quit NATO

[@TheGarciaFamily04]

"a dangerous politician" islam will be far more dangerous for the country.

[@truthseeker9070]

Islam doctrine "kills all non believers" Muslims in christian country: plz respect our belief 😂😂😂

[@SM-df9hm]

As much as I like most things you guys have been talking about, I don't consider you/your organisation as RADICAL so everytime I hear you saying that in almost every video clip you make, I consider it as a self declared statement or some kind taping yourself on the shoulder habit. To be fair, considering many yesterday leftist parties in Western countries are now centerists and most of yesterday right wing parties are now further to the right plus many new far right populist parties that have been popping up in the last two decades, could qualify you as RADICAL, Otherwise you really are not radical.

[@klompb]

As a Dutchman Im so embarrassed by this result. With the exception of 94-98 the Netherlands has had a right wing government for 46 years. Instead of understanding that all of the issues our society is facing is due to conservative policies, the people think the solution is more rightwing politics. Including the most banal misdirection of chosing to scapegoat a minority. And thats not even addressing the parties stance on climate change or the intellectual dissonance in the PVV policies.

[@joepvandijk7949]

What happened in 94-98? You mean Kok? Was he "left-wing"? ... I can only remember he became a board member of ING.

[@klompb]

@joepvandijk7949 yes, and you are correct, he did and at Shell and KLM. They all seem to sell out in the end.

[@joeycottone7755]

This is like calling the native American tribes far right for protecting themselves and their culture.

[@joepvandijk7949]

What a nonsense. Wilders is actually killing off the Netherlands I know. We were a somewhat tolerant though weird nation, now I don't know what group is going to be targeted next, gays? I might have to start worrying.

[@kenleergierig5156]

Who is paying lucille?

[@nevetsname884]

Try to get an interview with a PVV member. The opinion of a lefty is always biased.

[@michalwiacek8613]

pronounced: Vilders not W. Show some respect and learn it properly.

[@Factchekka]

Do you speak to people like this in your day to day life? 🤔

[@michalwiacek8613]

@@Factchekka Depends on the situation.

[@osmanmohammed6304]

Leaders started new trend !! People want freedom of Choice!! Limited Freedom is affordable !! God settled human beings on Earth Planet!! How Wonders of GOD working, The Life Support System, Mankind Must Know the limitations!! Now Diseases & Natural Disasters out of control!! Is an open Sign !! God Speaks unspoken language!!!

[@Factchekka]

So, are you saying human settlement is God's plan? 🤔

[@sreckobrzin8534]

Calm dovn.

[@theexposer9483]

Two immigrants of neither land crying victim victim. See what you have done to a nation which has allowed to come and settle. If you are very critical then it’s your problem. The nation will solve it’s problem anyhow.

[@Threemore650]

The Dutch are the most tolerant folk. However, they’re even more practical. Unfettered immigration into a tiny bit of swampland your ancestors reclaimed from the sea ISNT PRACTICAL. Love the way you got a real Dutch person to tell us how the Dutch feel. At no point have you considered what MADE the most tolerant country in Earth swing right.. Might it be the way immigrants behave. The Dutch have their own Rotherham’s you know. 😡

[@alicianieto2822]

??????? We have not met the same Dutch or visited the same Deutschland, that much is clear

[@jeanphilippepuyravaud439]

I am saying with respect to anyone that immigration is a problem. It should be resolved with dignity, helping countries to develop, not with war and invasion - but this is what people are saying with their votes. They are feeling insecure and the right wing give them fake solutions. But solutions exist. The Dubai method that many people find revolting, works (or worked) well: 80% of foreigners with working visas. You make your money (if possible) and go back home. I would have accepted this kind of deal given the opportunity.

[@marcgtsr]

lots of immigrant are slaved in Dubai, that`s known... Poor people go there, work, don`t get money and are killed afterwards.

[@susanshelit]

Ofcourse, she as an immigrant thinks that way and she sounds very indoctrinated by the red danger. The Dutch (and I am a réal one) are fed up with our children having to wait for housing while the asylum seekers (the are for the most nót refugees) get placed in hotels for free. As for the work force, as long as they return, its fine. And I do love that freudian slip about the far left 😂 And yes, in Amsterdam nobody speaks dutch anymore which is an effing outrage no matter how much you try to cover it up with the multi culti sauce. Enough communist talk now. Bb

[@greendsnow]

housing crisis is manufactured so the giant investment funds can hedge. they lobby against opening new settlement areas and they gentrify the old areas to sell them with a higher price tag. it's not the "multi culti" that is plotting against you, they adore you. the problem is the banks and giant capital who don't want depreciation of their investment.

[@muesliman100]

The reason there is a lack of houses isn't immigration though. It's the 12 years of VVD rule that didn't build enough houses, destroyed the social housing sector, made sure all houses that were built were very expensive ones. Meanwhile the VVD voter base has had their houses double in value, they haven't had to pay as much taxes because there is still tax deduction from paying rent to their housing loan (hypotheekrenteaftrek) which is basically a subsidy for rich people. People like Wilders are just opportunistic, one time they'll say how terrible it is that gay people can't walk through Amsterdam anymore because Maroccans will attack them, next time he'll say LGBTQ is all an ideology and hoax and shouldn't be in the open. Total hypocrisy and opportunism.

[@HerbaSanitas-zq1su]

For many years the Dutch government is based on neoliberal ideals and market principles, there are hardly any investments in social housing or healthcare that would benefit common people (native Dutch and immigrants), we are all in the same sinking boat. You blaming immigrants for that is exactly what ruling powers want, it prevents you from looking at the real causes of the many problems in Dutch society.

[@susanshelit]

​@@muesliman100Ik geloof ook niet dat Wilders wezenlijk wat gaat veranderen maar dat kwaad spreken door socialisten is dusdanig vermoeiend dat ik me geroepen voel om er feiten tegenover te zetten.

[@susanshelit]

​@@greendsnowI'm against the multi culti idea anyway. It's a farce because eventually a dominant culture will emerge. This is natural.

[@y3puGnxg]

Neither of them are Dutch, atleast ethnically

[@Reyes14308]

The lady is very biased, and she is clearly not a fan of right political party. Very short sided opinion, with no empathy for the voices of political right people.

[@nordseeistmordsee]

Everyone with a sane mind can clearly not be a fan of right wing politics. It's a contradiction of itself proven many times by history "sane" and "right wing"

[@LuisAldamiz]

What part of DiEM23 being a far left pan-European party did you not understand? Go to your Bannon hole, enemy of Humanity!

[@buzzhawk]

Unbiased = reich wing lunatic. Very good she is biased.

[@HerbaSanitas-zq1su]

You feel bad now? You poor thing.......well you need to get used to the fact that people don't always agree with you.

[@Gordon_Freeman_PhD]

I'm not very sympathetic towards the right considering their entire political spectrum can be broadly described as dominated by a large group of ideologies I like to call "keepthingsthesame-ism" and a smaller group I call "makethingsworse-ism".