The Ban

[@osterberg501]

Come on guys don't be so hard on Blizzard, they couldn't send out a simple tweet because they fired all of their community managers.

[@sanmarusan6042]

true but puting 1 hour vid to explain a ban is retarded, its like he just wants attention lol

[@WickedFlamezZ]

sanmaru san isn’t that the goal of KZbin? To gather attention? Lol?

[@Kolonite_]

sanmaru san well it’s a video of an hour of him talking to his twitch stream. This took no effort for him and it allowed his KZbin community to listen to it.

[@hickspaced2963]

Back then it was only the community managers

[@astrealove1]

Preach's BFA story Uldir - Top 100 BoDA - Benched Crucible - Banned

[@Traumglanz]

@Frostek Should he? 31 Day Bans were given. Crucible should be out by then, should it not?

[@patrickordos425]

He answers that question in the video

[@pokeslim]

@@Traumglanznot mythic

[@iyaramonk]

Well, getting banned in BFA isn't all that bad. It beats playing it lmao

[@kyotheman69]

i hope he drop this turd of a game and start streaming FF14

[@TrueCasualYT]

@@kyotheman69 like FF14 is better game like wow omegalul. I rather drink bleach than play oldschool combat mmos, thats why i quit wow in bfa and moved to destiny 2.

[@Label07]

LMAO

[@kittiegrant3695]

I was permabanned from the forums years ago and it's actually so great. I never realized BfA is basically the expansion equivalent of the Blizz forums.

[@Mysterdion]

@Ryan W I'm trying to understand how you can say this as FF14 raids actually require a brain. As well as the two new hard mode raids taking people hundreds of hours of progression.

[@tribert1]

"Leveling doesn't affect anything" Except character boost sales right after allied races come out.

[@Mir_Teiwaz]

The allied races that they give perfectly good reasons to **not** pay for level boosts?

[@albert2006xp]

​@@Mir_Teiwaz Exactly, people used this to get the heritage armor while some of us put in the hours. Deserved.

[@fleagaunag]

Know what banning a large amount of people affects? WoW's sub count. Either way, Blizz loses money.

[@zigzera7757]

You can’t boost to 120 only 110 all his character he maxed where already 110 so technically he didn’t cheat blizzard of any money

[@garytaylor3880]

@@albert2006xp 20-120 with only a 2 day ban. Worth it 😂 other people got longer for less

[@Monique-iz8lp]

"I would be very surprised if they banned me" - Preach 2019

[@aaronbooth200]

He is surprised tho!

[@kyotheman69]

they don't care, without any warning either, old blizzard did come out say "oh there is this issue, blah blah", now they don't give a shit. its mentality you have privilege to play our game instead should be other away around they should be privilege having customers like us to play their dam game. All people that gave a shit are long gone, this hypocrites don't give two fucks

[@phoenix6890]

"Today is not the day I die"

[@AlexK-sk4qb]

They didn't comment on it, and they're the ones that put it in the fu**ing game in the first place. People should never be punished for exploits, just have rewards revoked. I hate these self-righteous a**holes.

[@AlexK-sk4qb]

@@DisastrousIntentionally, So the terms of service say "You may play our game and do the things that are in it as long as they're intentional and it's up to you to decide what these unintentional features are for an undefined period of time after which we will make an announcement on the issue and you will be subject to whatever punishment we see fit if you chose incorrectly"? I have no idea how the hell that's supposed to be worded, but I can guarantee you that "terms of service" on a product you've _already payed for_ with upwards of *$2700* (over 8 installments and 13 years of $15/m) are not the same as what's morally correct. Unless you forgot, Bobby Kotick is not Jesus Christ.

[@marcfleuren7691]

Us: Content is boring Blizzard: I sleep Us: classes suck Blizzard: I sleep Us: don't buy character boosts Blizzard: REEEEEEEEEEE

[@diode_wow]

"You're using an XP potion bug to level up faster!? Get banned! Next time, pay for the boost, like normal people." - Blizz Dev Team

[@bluedaywalker94]

Activision: I like

[@ReatuKrentor]

@@bluedaywalker94 Trade Prince Kotick: "Have I got a deal for you!"

[@joed6547]

PKMN Trainer Diode was a clear exploit it’s not like leveling with potion, war mode, and heirlooms is in any realm slow

[@larry40]

Thats pretty much it man.

[@godlygamer911]

or just don't cheat and level normally like everybody else

[@vidglotzer]

If you are having more fun than you usually do, it is probably an exploit. (In Blizzard games)

[@clouds2589]

If you’re having fun in a blizzard game, it’s usually a bannable offense.

[@stickyone11]

lol this rings so true

[@zemekiel]

@@clouds2589 You got that right, you are not supposed to have fun in Blizzard games.

[@renesch.1042]

If fun is bigger than usual, it is perhaps real-life. (In Preacher Gaming)

[@h4z31nut]

You're only entitled to so much fun for your monthly 14.99. If you want more you'll have to pay for it, otherwise you're stealing their money.

[@KazumiKiguma]

"We need to get better at communication" Still waiting on that Blizz.

[@Chidsuey]

Preach uploads video about how there is nothing to do in the game after you kill Mythic Jaina. Preach kills Mythic Jaina. Preach gets banned. Poetry.

[@CosmicCleric]

Think that's more like comedic irony.

[@mementohertz9958]

@@CosmicCleric Comedic irony has populated poetic lines for milennia. He said pot, you said kettle.

[@CosmicCleric]

@@mementohertz9958 I was thinking more satire vs poetry, but I get your point. :)

[@mementohertz9958]

@@CosmicCleric Hey I get yours too friend, and you're not wrong. Cheers!

[@justsomeguywithagoatee8337]

@@CosmicCleric Satire, Irony, Karma and Poetry can be synonymous/intertwined with one another.

[@FrostKittyPaw]

From a player standpoint, it's not a bug. It was on the PTR and worked that way. It was reported on KZbin and I believe at least once on MMO-Champion or Wowhead during the PTR. I heard it was changed at one point in the PTR, but it was not clear if that was the final version. When it hit live, it was stackable, but with no cap. I think on PTR the stacks worked differently, but it was stackable as intended at one point. Blizzard did not communicate that the item had changed since it'd original PTR version. Banning players for using an item as it was originally intended, although on an extreme level, is ridiculous.

[@justsomeguywithagoatee8337]

From a player standpoint, it is a bug. You're doing something you'd never do INTENTIONALLY for an unintended side effect. That is exploiting... If the potions could be used over and over and stack without splitting you'd have a point. If you didn't have to manually split them over and over into x1 stacks where it wouldn't otherwise stack the buff THEN you'd have an argument. But it doesn't stack normally. It only stacks when you do something specific.

[@shadowbolter5949]

Remember when Blizzard said they'll be communicative? Yea. I remember. Edit: To everyone saying "wElL mAyBe ThEy ShOuLdN't HaVe eXploiTeD aNd ThEy WouLdN'T hAvE bEeN bAnNed" you're missing the point. Blizzard was made fully aware of this bug and people went to their twitter, asking them "Hey are we supposed to be able to stack this or not?" and it was radio silence. The playerbase isn't frustrated they got suspended, they're frustrated because Blizzard is incredibly inconsistent with their ban hammers. Cauldron exploit? Nothing. Mythic Jaina exploit? Nothing. Agatha from Legion Mage Tower exploit? Nothing. Etc etc. All game altering bugs and exploits, and nothing was done. Allied races come out and people do this potion bug and now suddenly the ban hammers drop? This is why people are angry. Not for the ban itself. Most don't seem to give a shit. I would gladly accept a 31 day ban if it meant I got a level cap character in 20 minutes but hey I'm not subbed because this game is trash now anyway.

[@mlewis8535]

That's my biggest take away...still holding the title for worst at communicating

[@dreadbull5039]

Pepperidge Farm remembers

[@ryantwomey3463]

@@dreadbull5039 noice i was gonna say the same thing

[@Djdaniel77]

Yeah should have read that ToS do not exploit bugs. There is a thing called a ban to deture such behavior who knew.

[@rogersartandsolutions5074]

@@Djdaniel77 True but the way that Blizzard responded to it and treated it, they were just treating it as an unintended use of a buff and not an exploit.

[@Scottistic]

Blizz cares about levelling bug and not the rogue bug or the cauldron bug because Levelling makes money for blizz via boosts. If levelling isn't tedious then boosts aren't attractive. Server economy and minor boss bugs dont really affect anything for them but reducing the attractiveness of boosts is a direct reduction in a source of income for them. Thus this. But they way they handled it was poor, correct.

[@joed6547]

DeeFourCee what is the cauldron bug?

[@Scottistic]

Joe D the one where use a cauldron in a zone and it resets when you walk away like it instanced and you can basically get infinite flasks from it. Some guilds have an expansions worth of flasks saved up already because of it

[@joed6547]

DeeFourCee you don’t think blitz makes money on people buying tokens to buy consumables. Cauldron doesn’t seem like the same level of exploit.

[@Scottistic]

Joe D obviously not if blizz took so long to fix it even after being alerted to it but it hurts players more and they care. The levelling issue, the players didn’t really care if people were levelling faster, whatever, however blizz seems to give it a higher priority

[@joed6547]

I care if people are exploiting and leveling faster. I mean two days isn’t a extremely long time even when they were notified. It’s up to you as a player to decide to break TOS or not. If you are awaiting a reply to decide if you should exploit the that is a clear indication that you probably shouldn’t do it.

[@Valleriano]

If they actually let this damage your relationship, it is incredibly stupid of them. You have single handedly improved interest in world of warcraft for so many players.

[@nymri8537]

It's called trust. Yes he's done a LOT to keep many ppl from losing interest in WoW, BUT that trust between him and the company could be affected b/c of this OBVIOUS exploit. He even admitted that it was an obvious exploit. Not a fangirl, I think Blizzard has turned to shit, and has been shit to us their community, for yrs...but stil.

[@NiklasAdv]

lol you know how blizzard are, ofc they will ruin it with Josh the fuckface in the lead.

[@Lilyofthemyst]

He publicly live-streamed an exploit to a lot of people, that sort of thing doesn't sit well with Blizzard. He could have privately emailed/DMed one of his Blizzard contacts to ask if this was okay, etc. They don't often tweet about exploits while they are still live, they'd rather not draw attention to it. If you make your money off of Blizzard then it's in your best interest to keep squeaky clean, just common business sense. Any other company would do the same.

[@lukaskonecny9992]

@@Lilyofthemyst a lot of people contacted blizz, they did not answer, its their fault they dont hire game testers as every other gaming company and they are incompetent to communicate.

[@Lilyofthemyst]

@@lukaskonecny9992 Towelliee contacted Blizzard in private and got a response right away. Maybe their reps are different, not sure, but if you aren't certain about something in game I wouldn't do it just because you haven't received a response yet.

[@Nagassh]

Just lost 2 of my healers during Jaina progression, both getting a 1 month ban when one of them leveled for like 30 levels with it - one of who is saying he's jut going to quit, but losing half of my Jaina healing team puts not only the Jaina kill but the guild itself at risk, one of two mythic guilds on our server and the only Horde one. I agree with bans for abusing stuff, but the length seems absurd for a "victimless" bug while cauldron exploit goes unpunished, honor level wintrading was neither punished not rolled back etc - 7 days would have felt punitive enough, no idea where the Month long figure comes from bar possibly streamers for advertising it, Blizzard are so wildly inconsistent.

[@meanieangrysson5366]

The lenght is dependent on how much u abused the bug, how many characters/amounts of pots used and time spent using the bug. A few in my guild got 3 days one got 7 and one got a month. Fortunately my raiders HAVE A BRAIN and knows shit like this will be punished

[@iamforsaken2008]

No its not based on how hard you abused it. I did it for 60 levels and got a 2 day ban while some did it for less and got a month ban rofl. Also no nobody knew blizzard would overreact to this since bigger and much worse exploits went unpunished.

[@iamforsaken2008]

@@DisastrousIntentionally you obviously didnt read my comment. I said worse exploits were ignored by blizzard. This just happened to threat their service money which is what ticked them off not the exploit itself. So again people were expecting a tweet from a cm or rollback of levels which is what should happen normally not a ban wave to a harmless exploit that hurt no1 as opposed to the previous unpunished exploits that almost crashed the economy.

[@iamforsaken2008]

@@DisastrousIntentionally m8 the same thing was said about the previous exploits yet nothing happened, so what is it a flip of a coin? Is it according to their mood whether to ban or not? Their inconsistency is what caused some people to think this was harmless, which lets be honest is true.

[@iamforsaken2008]

@@DisastrousIntentionally explain what you can do with an alt that is more valuable than infinite flasks? Lol thats a really weird statement.

[@hibiscus779]

Oh man. Emerge from the howling blizzard of darkness unto the bird-chirping sunshine of the outside world. Go play with thy dogbeast, frolic on thy lawn, young Michael

[@Will-W]

I unlocked "outside". It's raining. The graphics are beautiful but the environmental controls leave a lot to be desired.

[@hibiscus779]

@@Will-W Who knew that to get Exalted in Outsider Rep you couldn't stay Exalted with Blizzard? I guess you can only unlock one or the other :D

[@rossrame4089]

Lol bans were given out from 15 days upwards, Preach got his ban titanforged to 31 days haha 😂.

[@spongethebob8658]

"Nobody was bothered about boosting" -Subs are all time low -Blizzard purged all forums and made them only available for active subs (Hardly anyone use their own forums anymore) -Devs ignoring all bug posts -Ban bunch of players =Profit?

[@Robin...222]

Subs all time low? Subs are on the same lvl as legion. Devs didnt ignore bug posts. That exploit was very fast hotfixed. Ban playerd that didnt follow the rules. Is the exact thing to do.

[@Cavemanheartrock]

To add on to what hans said, the forums have almost all ways been for subs only. Hell I don't remember when it was allowed for non subs to chat on them.

[@spongethebob8658]

@@Cavemanheartrock Beta testers could use forums you know, to give bug reports and feedback for upcoming patches

[@spongethebob8658]

@@Robin...222 Subs are factually lower than Legion Then why this XP exploit didnt get fixed sooner and why all reports about it got ignored for over 3 months? So intentionally leave exploit bug unfixed over several months and then ban alot players is fine? Cynical road kills community. Or whatever is left of it

[@Robin...222]

@@spongethebob8658 where have you seen the numbers that subs are lower than legion? And why use a exploit that is reported? Its still against the rules. Blizz is still in their rights to ban those people.

[@Unholydrizella]

Maybe if they hadn't just gutted their community team they'd be communicating about this sort of thing better... Nah who am I kidding, it's Blizzard

[@WolfRites]

"Now you can play good games" - Chat got it right.

[@hupenpeter]

The best month of your WoW subscription is upon you!

[@kyotheman69]

seriously i hope he plays some other games or even jump into another mmorpg id watch him to have fun, current wow isn't fun not sure how he continues to play

[@kyotheman69]

he says around 24:57 he feels bad about relationship? what relationship Preach they "DON'T CARE!" if they did they wouldn't be banning these people come out and say they f'd up they should just let people keep the levels or they say okay we found the problem and will bann anyone continues to use this, etc etc. Preach again they don't give a shit, Az and other channels talk about wow said it over and over, they don't take back feed back and continue to do bone head moves in this game, they are killing the game

[@samtemdo8]

@@kyotheman69 ALL OTHER MMOS SUCK AND ARE JUST WOW CLONES.

[@ceropuntocinco]

@@kyotheman69 I feel bad for Preach, he seems like a victim of abuse "He hit me because it was my fault" I hope he plays other mmos or other videogames, he doesn't need WoW to be succesful

[@libertyprime9891]

@@samtemdo8 All MMOs are Everquest clones scrub.

[@billlumbergh5942]

they got rid of the wrong CM. lore should have got axed

[@dareptor2620]

Dude, don't blame Lore for this. The guy is super busy playing on his Shaman the other week! Don't bother him with pesky little tasks such as communicating with the community as a CM.

[@raidwipe]

Lore is the go-to person to blame for anything hahaha, what he said is true. It's surprising people thought they'd be 100% fine if they exploited the game.

[@deleteman900]

Who would give Ion the good S U C C after their little Q&A sesshies then? You can't expect poor, overworked Mr. Hazzikostas to not get a little succy-succ

[@Giliver]

@@raidwipe people spammed Blizzard for hours to days telling them about the "bug" and asked what was going on, they failed to send a SIMPLE reply and say "yes this is a bug, don't use it". Fuck out of here. Lol

[@faveology]

@@Giliver Blizzard isn't the only company who doesn't communicate on this shit. Riot has done it in the past, Jagex, Valve, etc. All have had similar scenarios. These gaming companies are like the police in America - rather than being there to deter crime, they are actively seeking it out and LIVING to punish people.

[@gearzdesign]

They just want to sell more level boosts.

[@dareptor2620]

Exactly, What makes this ban wave so egregious is the fact that leveling has no integrity anyways with level boosts existing. It's not like the old days where leveling was something everyone had to go through, now they just want your money. The thought that this is probably financially motivated more than anything makes this so much worse...

[@hectorandem2944]

Can't use level boosts if they're banned. 👍

[@lazarmitev513]

Have no problem buying the boost but heritage armor....

[@kyotheman69]

this will turn off people even more to the game, this system shouldn't of existed it was bad enough they charged so much just for server changes and character changes its insane

[@markusdjurberg2169]

I would love a 120 boost. I'd pay big money for it. There just isn't one. And levelling is sooooooooooo dreadful I'd rather play something else.

[@DaishDaishDaish]

having to play warfronts 20x before getting access to anything else within the game would be a bigger punishment then just a ban

[@WC1376C22]

well dungeon Q times definitely went up. I was wondering why times are upwards of 45 min now.

[@Kailhun]

Blizz is in the wrong. They knew about the bug and didn't do anything with that knowledge. They didn't fix the bug; they didn't remove the item; they didn't tell anyone about the consequences. Blizz can scream and yell all they want. They are in the wrong.

[@homelessninja1661]

imo with any game, if it's in the game and you aren't using 3rd party hacks or whatever, it's the devs' fault and they shouldn't ban people for using it.

[@ryanmills9975]

Let's be honest.. it was clearly a bug lmao.. like that was clearly game breaking and we all knew that it could have consequences. Maybe they should have fixed it quicker. Alot quicker, and said something but never did. It's kinda a double edge sword here..

[@joed6547]

Clear break if TOS and clear exploit. Leveling outside of this is already super fast with heirlooms, war mode, and potion.

[@Giliver]

@@ryanmills9975 "game breaking" LMFAO

[@homelessninja1661]

@@Giliver finding a way to make BFA fun is pretty game breaking

[@toaonua523]

Nobody: Blizzard: Subs are down to a record low! Let's ban everyone that is still playing!

[@justsomeguywithagoatee8337]

*Let's ban everyone that is still EXPLOITING** Fixed that for ya

[@zapsta9774]

​@@justsomeguywithagoatee8337 considering they didn't ban bots back when i played, i'm amused that they actully ban people for their own spaghetti code xD

[@unculturedg4mer310]

Bruh the or department was wipedout like a month ago. Not surprised they didn't say anything. We actually thought they couldn't get worse at communicating... We we're wrong

[@JoshHardman3]

As a player who didn’t do this bug, I couldn’t give a damn about those who did. Doesn’t effect me or how I play the game. Blizzard massively over reacted in my opinion.

[@Yabog00]

how many people did blizz hire to solely hunt fun down and erase it at lightning speed or in as controversial way as possible

[@leifdarkwood]

Hey there you can’t be using those XP potions. Makes the character boost loose it’s value and blizz needs to suck every penny from the slaves left they got.

[@kyotheman69]

only morons keep playing this game, i like Preach but seriously he better off playing other games

[@joed6547]

Was a clear exploit.

[@Cavemanheartrock]

@@kyotheman69 What games? What other games out there are as polished and run as smooth as WoW does? Can't name one, sorry....

[@leifdarkwood]

@@Cavemanheartrock minecraft

[@shazzakip2]

Pretty shitty by blizz. They were informed about it for days 0 communication Not clear on how it's meant to work Other actually game quality lowering bugs still exist Blizz firing QA causes stuff like this Their own choices force people into wanting to bypass leveling like this Yet it's the playerbase that's punished

[@Ztygs]

You had to manually unstack the potions in your bag for them to stack the buff. It was very clear it wasn't how they were intended to work. It was clearly an exploit.

[@0nliineeGG]

Haha no. Blizzard were not informed 'for days', it was in the game for a day and a half, and no one was saying anything until streamers started exploiting. And them firing the QA staff is actually good for the company, unneccesary staff which do nothing for the development of the game but rather 'manage the community'. What do you mean 'their choices' force the players into not wanting to level? They scaled every zone specifically for the reason of being able to experience whole zones stories and not only a chapter of it if you level with heirlooms, that was what the playerbase wanted. And yes, the part of the playerbase which exploits bugs unjustly, should actually be punished, because that wasn't meant to be in the game. What do you expect? A pat on the back and candy to be presented just because you exploited something that is bad for the game? No, get banned.

[@Luthies]

I have a feeling Shazza Kip got pretty big ban lul

[@6105boe]

Ztygs they were already bugged for weeks, they STILL don't even have timers. Who knows if they're even supposed to stack in the first place at this point. Can't really blame people on this one when blizz themselves massively dropped the ball, *and then refused to fix it or even just to communicate after it was reported*. And besides that, this bug was completely harmless. All it did was allow people to level a bit faster, and it was damn fun for those 20 levels.

[@0nliineeGG]

@@6105boe 'level a bit faster', yeah, what about the guy that leveled 110-120 in a single dungeon? Forgot about that huh

[@aureliabackup7313]

Wasn't leveling just as fast during WoD and especially the legion pre-release event? If it was ok to level fast back then, why is it so wrong now? Just because blizzard is selling boosts in the store now?

[@fredrick1176]

aurelia eavum that’s exactly why. Funny for them I was debating on resubbing in 7 days, but now that I am banned for 3 of those I’ve decided to hang up the gloves and move on. I got 3 days for leveling one alt from 40-52. So last night I installed ESO to play it this weekend and I’m impressed. So far it’s ten times better than wow. And ten times more complex

[@NighDarke]

@@fredrick1176 ESO is my main game now, I moved to it when I unsubscribed from WoW. Their new expansion is going to be coming soon and they are adding The Necromancer class, and what we've seen of it so far it looks like it's going to be pretty damn good. For people who pre-purchase you get early access at the end of May, around the 20th I believe. If you wait you can get access at the beginning of June, that's when it officially drops.

[@Fiery891]

If you level up quickly people won't buy Boosts. This bug cut into their profits and therefore actions had to be taken.

[@AnaseSkyrider]

But if people were renewing subs to abuse this bug, but didn't want to spend like 4 months of game time on a boost, that made them money too.

[@shale1337]

Amount of people who resubbed and people who would've bought boost at this very moment is just wastly different.

[@TobiasKremer]

The sad thing is I only hear about Blizz banning people for doing things caused by much deeper issues in the game they created. Leveling is boring and useless after the first time. So a lot of people jumped on an option to just skip over it. Was the same when a guild buddy of mine was band for botting. In that instance it was just that potions where basically unaffordable. So instead of working on some real issues people get banned. Great. Because they undermine the main design philosophy of wasting players time.

[@FishTheJim]

Becareful because a Blizzard Judge may hold you in contempt for speaking about it online and throw you in the stockade

[@dirtydard4870]

Who cares?

[@AwkwardSquirtles]

Is this a Tommy Robinson joke because he had been specifically warned not to report on that trial, and had a suspended sentence for it. The judge may have acted rashly but Tommy was at fault too.

[@FishTheJim]

why no . Have no idea what your talking about.

[@Ziseth]

I took days off work, and binged my zandalari troll to heritage armor in 3 days. I stacked som potions between 79 and 82 because friends told me about it, but decided not to continue doing it after that. I now got banned because of that tiny benefit.. If they roll my zandalari troll back from 110-79 im gonna go frikking furious xD

[@broomguy7]

I mean, I've heard you say in the last couple of videos that you've been enjoying other games way more anyway, and clearly Blizzard's motivation to ban for this specific exploit and not others is because they sell overpriced character boosts. Maybe it's not too bad to take a month off of BfA.

[@robertfancyman3873]

You'd think with so many other community-based staff gone, Josh would try to help heal relations a bit. Evidently not.

[@raidwipe]

Did you want him to say "Ah yeah, everyone feel free to exploit the game!"

[@robertfancyman3873]

@@raidwipe As Mike explained, the problem is that he didn't say anything until the bans were rolling out. The second Blizzard got the reports on the exploit he should have released and publicized a statement saying: 'Don't use this, it's an exploit, you will get punished if you do'.

[@Giliver]

@@raidwipe anything but his smug dickhead comment would've been better...lol

[@aronija4232]

@@Giliver what did he say? it's deleted

[@henrikh3089]

It was up for much more than 2 days, it started friday 15/3.

[@xnastyxnickx5883]

A loyal supporter of Blizzard that has probably done more for WOW than most current employees of Blizzard being banned for Blizzards mistakes. To my knowledge no one was banned for the corrupted blood incident or even a more recent big exploit in Legion.

[@j4kfr05t5]

"To *your* knowledge" You don't have the whole culminated knowledge of the world. It was everyone's mistake, not just Blizzard's.

[@xnastyxnickx5883]

@@j4kfr05t5 You're right. Im not even playing or subbed anymore to have seen it for myself but from what I heard the exploit just affected leveling and whether players abused it or not it ultimately is Blizzards mistake and its also their mistake when they ignored players reporting it and asking if it was an exploit or not. They slacked on testing and on communication. Mr.Pops what do you think Blizzard should have done?

[@j4kfr05t5]

@@xnastyxnickx5883 Communicated it better, that's what they should've done. It's not *ultimately* Blizzard's fault, as the majority of the playerbase knows exploiting brakes the TOS. Blizzard handled this poorly, but that doesn't excuse the loudmouth pricks who knew they were exploiting yet carried on. You don't just accidentally unstack your potions and then start using them all af once. Your logic borderlines on "She was wearing a tanktop, she was just *asking* to be raped".

[@xnastyxnickx5883]

Ol' Pops Haha! Alright well I agree communication is the key. :)

[@SadBirbHours]

Mike did an Oopsie Blizzard did many Oopsies. Which one got punished? Lets find out!

[@Robin...222]

You parents did an oopsie to

[@Alexxytraz]

Blizz gets punished as well numbers going down wdym

[@SadBirbHours]

@@Robin...222 Your* Get it together you spaz.

[@Jitterzz]

“lol Don’t use the XP potions with bugs that we messed up, please spend $60 and you can skip straight to the islands right away!” - Blizzard 2019

[@buliwyfZrage]

If you need boosting while leveling is still this easy and rather quick you're just lazy, nothing else. So many whinebabies nowaday in WoW which want to be spoonfeed.

[@alittlebirdi]

I did think it was weird that the time limit never appeared on the potion buff. That thing was broken in so many ways

[@kyubii972]

I was confused by that too. All my other boss showed a duration and I was always worried about it I kept looking in my interface options for something I didn't click.

[@kingdomheartsguy44]

hahaha XD take the month off. There isn't much to do til 8.2 anyway

[@Luna_and_Solara]

@@interloop eh?

[@412iii3]

Yeah there really isnt lol 2 bosses that arent even out until april and a brawlers you can complete in a day, WOO!!

[@Robin...222]

When fo 8.2 come out?

[@wodmarach]

There also seems to be no reasoning behind the ban lengths, people who power leveled 3-4 alts to 110 get 2 days while some who went from 114-120 on one alt got 31 day bans...

[@mooninites755]

There is reasoning. People getting 31 days either exploited it heavily across multiple characters, had previous black marks, or streamed it.

[@6105boe]

Mooninites there are many reports of people getting a full month ban with no previous offenses, not streaming it at all and just using pots for a few levels.

[@Quintaner]

I didn’t even know about this bug until this video. Didn’t know it was a thing, didn’t know people were getting banned at all. And I’m kind of just baffled. Like on one hand, yes it’s a bug, and intentionally exploiting a bug should be met with a ban. Especially for anybody who is showing tons of other people how to abuse it. But they waited two days to do anything, amid a furious storm of reports and questions. Right now is about 11 AM EST (US east coast) on March 23rd, and I’ve looked and am still completely unable to find any official statement by Blizzard regarding this, including the hotfixes they put out. So at this point, it looks really shady. Blizzard took no action during a period of high re-subbing, then banned massive amounts of players involved, but still has not publicly called it a bug. In my mind, if they don’t put it out there that they’re doing something about the bug, then they shouldn’t be banning people. If I was just playing the game and only paying attention to official Blizzard announcements and material, I wouldn’t know about this still, and that seems to be the way they’re trying to keep it, which just won’t work in the modern day. I’m really interested to see what Blizzard has to say about this, but if they don’t say anything, it looks really shady

[@KronosSupreme]

Got a character from 111 to 120 in 5 timewalking dungeons. Went from 111 to 119 in one hours time. NO BAN. Yet I have never been banned in my 14 or so years of playing the game.

[@stickyone11]

lol i used like 15 stacks in a TW and only got 110-114 in 4 TWs....so this leads me to believe you're lying sir..I get its the internet bruh but you literally gain nothing for lying haha.

[@KronosSupreme]

@@stickyone11 I used 36 stacks. Why the fuck would I lie? My guess is your account is newer and been banned before? Because if you have been banned before they hit people hard.

[@TheMysteryMushroom]

@@KronosSupreme I'm just waiting for you to get banned. Friend got his ban 10 hours ago.

[@KronosSupreme]

@@TheMysteryMushroom I'm waiting for it also to be honest. Still didn't happen. I will reply in the comments if I do get banned.

[@Tarteh]

Ban people so they make a new account during free to play access, stats show huge increase in new players LOL.

[@r4microds]

I think the free weekend was only for inactive accounts made before the weekend mate.

[@Ray13star]

Think about it. All who partook of this were setup. Massive surge in subscriptions for the weekend followed by massive bans for a month. This equals 1 month of game time payed by the masses for 2 days of gameplay. They knew what they were doing.

[@Zazzaro703]

I find it sad that you have played 13 years and the game is in such bad state that you’d consider using the exploit because it just isn’t fun to play. Doesn’t excuse what you did but wow that really says something.

[@xersys]

28:00 "I find that strange, really really strange" I think you mean scummy. That was a scumbag thing to do.

[@theatfshotmydog8224]

Luckily I leveled all of my characters through timewalking with heirlooms right before I heard about this bug or else I’d probably be joining the banned brigade.

[@kyubii972]

agreed I wish I would have actually just quaffed all of my potions I wouldn't have to worry about leveling.

[@justsomeguywithagoatee8337]

Fact you even think you'd resort to exploiting just because leveling sucks is sad.

[@IGniTo100]

31 day ban for a levelling exploit? What the fuck... This exploit is prolly the best thing that could happen to BFA.

[@lajudicedaniel]

31 days is a bit much. I know The cost of one month of subscription isn’t serious for preach but I would be pissed if I just bought a month and got screwed out of my money over something so harmless. Just shows where blizzard’s mindset is as a company, make as much money as possible..

[@max5183]

He did it on stream on multiple characters. Not everyone got 31 days. Totally justified if you ask me

[@lajudicedaniel]

Max T ah, I was just assuming most people got 31 day bans (my bad). I can see how in his case 31 days would be justifiable. Hopefully people who barely used the exploit got much less, I would hate to be right in thinking blizzard values money more than it’s game. I still have hope for the game/company.

[@christopherosborne1957]

Guess they didn't say anything to anyone inquiring about the bug was because they already laid off all the staff who were paid to do so.

[@aspiringnormie9499]

I banned myself during uldir. Still banned.

[@Gebirges]

Can someone tell where the first story of that Mythic Martyr is? I'd love to hear that because it just sounds so funny and sad at the same time :'D

[@Zer0Hour17]

"We didn't test our items and people are using them how we implemented them into the game. Ban them!!!" -Blizzard

[@Toast01]

You used to do TDPs with just you talking in front of the camera years ago on stream and the topic of each one was genuinely valid

[@cecildelport7779]

@Preach Gaming So they ban you for this but people can "multibox" 20 accounts herbing and mining exploiting the AH sales etc and they ban you for this.... a mistake their developers made....

[@ecranch7331]

Cecil Delport they don’t consider multiboxing exploiting because they’re getting subscriptions and sales from each account being used.

[@jeanmartin1373]

@@ecranch7331 "They don't consider" because they get money from it, but this is obvious exploit.

[@ecranch7331]

Blizzard has specifically addressed multboxing specifically & they say it’s not. Whether we agree or not, it’s their game, their rules.

[@jeanmartin1373]

@@ecranch7331 So they shitted money to make and develop this game? Or player did? Our games our rules.

[@alrdye]

Thank you for the honest and sincere retrospective. Also, damn that was a hilarious drama story. Keep up the great work.

[@Kingbeardtv]

Did they banned those that exploited the Tools of the Trade new bugged items? Meh! All they want is game time. Not that it matters these days cos you can level up to 120 in 3 or 4 days. But hey! $ talks and BS walks.

[@charlesfe]

It'd be really neat if Blizzard created a sort of test realm where a preview of the upcoming patch could be available for the players and bugs like this could be reported and then fixed before going to the real live beta test servers.

[@TheTlMEWARP]

The only exploit here is the way Blizzard implemented "allied races" or more commonly known as microtransactions

[@1123elemental]

Timewalk TIL you have to pay for allied races. I swear the circlejerk is obnoxious

[@Jaigarful]

@@1123elemental What? Are you going to spend the 40+ hours to level from 20-120, then spend 2 weeks to get up to 400, then be gated by AP and having to grind that more to be on par with your current character? Allied Races are a moneygrab, and the only races with decent enough work were Kul Tirans and Zandalari.

[@1123elemental]

Jaigarful the level of delusion you have is actually incredible within itself bLiZzArD BaD AcTiViSiOn BaD

[@Jaigarful]

@@1123elemental You say you don't pay for allied races. I say it takes a disproportionate amount of time to relevel an allied race so paying for a race change is the only option for most people, and you call me delusional? Ok kid.

[@Inshokuten69]

They could have fixed it, the exact same bug has happened in the past. Most recently the darkmoon firewater size increase was bugged in the exact same way, where if you split the stack you could stack it essentially infinitely, could literally be bigger than stormwind castle.

[@mrivarv17]

I wonder if Limit got banned again.

[@themarinaratrench1559]

LOL so I just burned out before this exploit happened, Blizz has the worst attitude about this. If I heard about this bug, and instead blizzard acted like the FF14 Devs and said "Our bad, enjoy until we rid of it" I would actually be leveling a Kul Tiran. Blizzard are the masters of shooting themselves in the foot, then blaming the shooting on a bystander.

[@mgrimble3975]

only reason they handed out bans for this is they lost money on boosts

[@Hellscreamer24]

The item is so buggy it was hard to tell if it was intentional or not. They don’t have a buff timer (still don’t). All it would have taken was 1 tweet saying “this is an exploit. Do not do this.” All of this would be a non issue. If they made a statement and people decided to do it anyway, then that’s their problem. The cauldron exploit is much worse. It ruined economies. Also the time required to farm all the mats for the 60+ cauldrons takes longer than levelling anyway.....

[@theendisnigh2481]

Time for a Sekiro playthrough Preachy boi

[@fade9004]

Preach, there was a quest item in Drustvar at the beginning of the expac that you could throw and do around 10k damage each throw and it was about a 5-6 yard AOE circle that could be spammed every second or two. It had an incredible range too. This bug stayed in the game for like a WEEK. Someone I know was using this to level super fast and even using it inside of M+ dungeons to easily push keys. The item also would not AGGRO mobs when you would throw it. So if you had a group of 5 people throwing the item at a boss you could kill the boss without even aggroing it.

[@Argonaut1ka]

Just in time for Sekiro.

[@danielismay5277]

It was their mistake, they should own it. I do however see how they should throw some kind of punishment for exploiting a bug as small as it is as it will discourage others from exploiting other bugs in the game. But 31 days man ? That's just fucked. A 48 hour ban would be sufficient. That's all.

[@nbp2015]

It's incredibly shady that they didn't say anything about it. Two days and not even a tweet from a dev? Right. Ok.

[@lukaskonecny9992]

Its like they dont hire people to ... y know ... communicate ... or test the game ...

[@lukaskonecny9992]

@@DisastrousIntentionally The bug has been reported on ptr, they did not fix it, thats the problem, noone is pissed off that they banned those ppl, they exploited, they got banned, the problem is they did not communicate for 2 days and they did not fix it even tho they knew the bug exists.

[@lukaskonecny9992]

@@DisastrousIntentionally As i said, they exploited, they got banned, rightfully so, the problem here is they are unable to communicate and test their own game.

[@Madnacc]

Another Tinfoil hat theory: If they really got a surge of subscriptions because of this bug they might have intentionally held their communications and/or actions regarding this bug until they noticed they're not gaining as much new subscriptions so they can still cash in on people who came back to use this exploit before they ban them again. Would be funny in all honesty, to me anyways.

[@enlightendbel]

To Lore your comment should have been "instead of being smug, you could have, like, managed the community?"

[@hindsight7280]

I found out about it in trade chat, like a public service announcement message from someone haha. Didn't do it myself. It is a bit shit there was no grace period or warning from Blizzard.

[@AdonanS]

For the love of Poseidon, mate, don't grovel to a company like Blizzard. Gods know they don't deserve it.

[@Gwarr25]

Hey preach not sure if you ever get around to reading all the comments but a few friends and I were wondering something. What’s the difference in streaming this bug, and streaming the old Freehold bug where you could skip the pig/turtle and just do the shark boss? I remember many top m+ teams streamed that for months and nothing was ever done about it.

[@DiamondhengeEntertainment]

I really dont agree with banning people for exploiting bugs unless they are doing so to ruin other players' experiences. Imagine if blizzard had banned raiders who used Frozen Orb to skip the trash mobs before MOTHER.

[@TheFloydNation]

Wasn’t there a lvling bug in legion after Argus with a repeatable turn in? I don’t recall any bans from that just a hotfix from blizzard.

[@rickandrygel913]

A bunch of people resub, then get banned. Blizz blizz blizz. smh

[@prjndigo]

If the game's interface allows the action to be taken then the action is legitimate and not subject to penalty or prosecution. There are actual Federal court rulings on the matter. One was to do with the TV card games that were giving payouts.

[@icaanul]

31 days to bleed any fresh sub renewals.

[@redwolfrain4772]

I accept my ban, what I don't accept is the length. I received an 30 day ban for leveling my KT monk to 40, however most of my friends powered multiple characters to 120 and received a 72 hour ban. According to the mmo-champ post, a lot of people received the 72 hour ban. I guess trying to sneak early KT levels over 120s is the greater evil.

[@ReatuKrentor]

So Blizz never officially said it's an exploit before banning? And it sounded like it's not even sure it is an exploit from what you said. Could just have been a bug that it only worked a certain way. They should admit THEIR mistake too.

[@jaymzsanders2752]

this exploit/bug worked exactly the same way as the bug/exploit in legion where you unstacked the potions that caused extra damage to demons while doing the mage tower people got banned for it as well . so basically easy way to tell if its an exploit if you have to unstack the items into single stacks to get multiple buffs that is NOT the intended way of use for that item.

[@danielskrivan6921]

55:10 reminds me of my horrible progression through SSC. Warlocks kept using curse of doom on hydross. We'd reset his aggro at 55 seconds (spawning 4 adds), the warlock's doom would tick and he'd go back across the line to kill them (4 adds, of which we took like 200% damage from or something like that) and then go back to the tank (4 more adds). So now we have 8 normal-strength adds and 4 high-powered adds and our tanks would quickly die. Every. Single. Time.

[@jippy33]

You didn't see this one coming? Blizzard has never used common sense when it comes to massive banhammering.

[@Blankace.]

They didn't ban people for major exploits like the legion pre-patch one yet they ban people for this? This was a xp potion bug and not even game-breaking.

[@VegurTilPiano]

Blizzard banned people during Legion for exploiting a world quest on Suramar like so yes it should have been expected

[@fredrick1176]

I agree with Blankace. How does someone leveling fast effect someone else? It doesn’t. It’s like arguing against LFR players having access to the GMOD mount. It doesn’t make sense.

[@Blankace.]

@@fredrick1176 That is a different issue, one is a reward for doing content. Leveling to 120 isn't a reward once you've already done it, to be able to do this bug you needed to have already leveled to 120.

[@justsomeguywithagoatee8337]

People exploit Blizzrd bans for infinging ToS I mean. Isn't that common sense?

[@RoboBongoCuckooCop]

you said that people had notified them in the correct channels. I played Beta for BfA and I notified them of bugs in the bug report forums. yet most of those made it to live; most notably the bug with the final cinematic in Nazmir (which I, and lots of other people, reported too). Blizzard seem to have dramatically cut down on the amount of people dealing with bug reports so it wouldn't surprise me that they didn't have anyone available to communicate about the issue

[@Sickoflife]

Leveling XP bugs effects blizzards Character boost sales. Thats the real reason why they banned all of you.

[@meltingatom]

You: they wont ban me for this exploit Blizz: bans you for exploit

[@jackson8345]

I used the xp potions to level one character from level 117 to 120 and I received a 31-day ban...

[@DePhoegonIsle]

Don't play anymore then. There are other games. ff14 for one.

[@RaawHax]

MGSV complete edition is dirt cheap on steam sales, and has hours upon hours of gameplay. Dauntless is a fun Monster Hunter lite, also free. There's always the Dark Souls trilogy. Could play the Diablo III season 16.

[@zilvis1140]

I leveled warlock from 110-120 exploating with potion stacking, exp gem and incursion exp buff, but didin't got banned :D

[@DePhoegonIsle]

@Frostek Honestly the Meme Play ff14.. is overplayed, but .. try it honestly I can tell you first hand.. the story feels like it matters, the dungeons aren't automatically dead as soon as you level. You don't have to create endless amounts of toons to get all the crafting (if you like the crafting) when you finally get to end game, you know that there are players who have been through the quests.. and even if they 'power leveled' or bought their level.. they still had to do all the main quests. It actually introduces mechanics at a pace that has most players learn them without being aware of it. -It's a beast, a slog.. but in the end.. it does make it feel as if the story matters.. and that you've had an effect.. even if you do feel like the worlds pawn (like all MMO's in that way) Crafting while being something that could be slog considered still matters. What are 'legendary' weapons (relics) still mean something if you have them, and still hold respect .. as you still have to earn it, and all without rng that'd take years. --You could get your arr ones, within 2-3 months for all the arr classes you wanted. --The path to get the weapons is laid out.. if not a trail of it's own... It's not random, it's not luck based (yet it still earns respect for those who know the classes) You may not like it, but the polish is there.. and one thing to remember the aoe effects damage when they go off & if you're in the visual effect or not doesn't matter.. it matters if you where in the range when it triggered. (still something that tosses me around) Though, it helps if you also have a bit of love for FF as a series X}

[@justsomeguywithagoatee8337]

You exploited and got a ban. Enjoy.

[@OlqdbplO]

What really upsets me is that the same bug previously worked with the Darkmoon Firewater which long has been fixed. I still have a screenshot of it from back when I found out about it.

[@brianarnold1170]

Preach should’ve known. That being said said it is sad that they cut QA staff. Then ban people for something that QA should’ve caught. Leveling is crap this is why people do this, maybe if they didn’t slow leveling down at the end of legion this wouldn’t of happened. The Devs need to step up and let people know that the QA cuts have impacted WoW.

[@fredrick1176]

Brian Arnold agreed.

[@AnArchyRulzz]

They just made leveling way easier. But nothing will make people happy unless they just start at 110

[@oeheaven]

Yea they just cut the time down overall by 25% plus heirlooms were just released an a Xp potion is available.

[@marcmurphy5819]

This is the annoying thing Blizz should put forth a punishment but make it temp to make up for their lack of communication etc. People were asking and Bliz sat back and baited them with their silence.

[@havtor007]

Nah blizzard ban for 72hours for using a bot to level to max level

[@Epicepicnessess]

"BfA is doing bad? Lets ban people for using our own mistake, that'll get sub numbers up.." ~Blozzurd entertainment, 2019

[@justsomeguywithagoatee8337]

*Lets ban people for cheating** Fixed for ya!

[@giigetykanini1745]

Cant for the life of me remember what video the stick-horse in the bathtub is used, anyone know?

[@rushzer0]

Getting banned for a leveling exploit meanwhile multiple guilds using rogue exploit on Mythic Jania to get Hall of Fame and no repercussions, maybe because fast leveling means less token sales and time online for their metrics #Justblizzthings

[@pugernoufer]

Preacher, at the start of Legion (when there were invasions) low-levels could exploit a bug where they could 1-shot an invasion boss. Blizzard simply sighed and hotfixed it. Now this and they ban the last few players in BFA???