The Baron Harkonnen: Raban's Incompetence (part 3 of 14)

[@barreloffun10]

When I become an evil overlord, I will always speak in rhymed couplets.

[@okolona1]

The Baron's poetry was EXCELLENT.

[@dennisduncan7561]

Ian Mcniece is so good in this.

[@fiddleback4903]

In the book Raban was perceived as stupid, but he wasn't. After all, he was the first to figure out that the Fremen numbered in the millions. And he had his own Intel network of spies. He just wasn't cunning, and was impulsive.

[@toomanyaccounts]

his impulsive nature overrode any intellect he had. so yes stupid. a smart person overrides their impulses when those impulses are going to be a detriment.

[@zannaifacedancer5915]

I think he was indeed stupid, but he was damn right about the Fremen. Unfortunately his uncle paid no attention. He was insightful enough maybe por once in his life.

[@lordfrostwind3151]

It makes his mistreatment of the Fremen even worse, if he understood the scale of them he severely underestimated their capabilities. Ruling by fear is one thing, but good luck subjugating the population of a death world like Arrakis.

[@toddkes5890]

@@lordfrostwind3151 If people are on a deathworld, that means they need to make most of their work focused on surviving, and Rabban's actions could be enough to tip them over the edge. Each Sietch has to have some industry, ability to grow food, teach the next generation, etc. If Rabban can interfere with the trade links between Sietches (so they can't trade components between each other), force them to hide their operations (so gathering food is trickier), and keep them moving (so education becomes more difficult), it would be possible to slowly reduce the Fremen numbers. And if Rabban's actions ever discovered one of the Fremen water caches, or saw them riding on a worm that would be a major intelligence find. That could have been where Paul helped the Fremen the most, using his extensive high-quality tutoring (vs the Fremen having to almost boot-strap themselves) to run a successful guerilla campaign and to unite the Fremen tribes into a single group (he is an outsider, so does not have any specific preference to one Sietch over another). The Sietches closest to Rabban's troops were primarily military camps (making them much more dangerous for Rabban's forces to attack), while the Sietches farther away were where the families and industry were moved (which is why the Emperor's Sardaukar were able to raid one relatively easily)

[@runevi]

Yes, he made several astute inferences that actually surprised the Baron.He also seemed to realize that he was being used to grind the populous of Dune down-though he probably didn't realize it was going to be in favor of Feyd-Ruatha-he was also loyal to a fault, none of these would be traits that would serve him in such a treacherous house.

[@adamcheong4742]

Great series. I like it.

[@SuperNovaJinckUFO]

I don't get why they cut out the first part of this scene. It's extremely entertaining, and actually provides context for why the Baron shouts "get out, all of you, out!"

[@nm7358]

The beginning of this scene was unfortunately truncated from the original mini-series. At the beginning of the original scene, the Baron confronts Rabban on what the hell he was thinking that he was doing. Rabban pleads that he did as the Baron said - that he tried to assassinate Paul to keep them distracted by worrying about their security. The Baron smuggly replies, "Yes, now they certainly do..." before slapping Rabban in the face, to Feyd's laugther. Then, a little interlude with a overly-cheery servant who brings the annoyed Baron a glass of full yellow liquid spice. The Baron at first refuses, but the servant insists because "extension of life is a gift from the spice." The Baron smiles, slowly drinks the glass, then delicately poses the glass before telling him in his basso voice to to get out of his presence. That's when he screams to everyone to get out at 0:02.

[@tsopmocful1958]

The Baron flawlessly slides out of the shot.

[@johnkelly7757]

In this remake, the Baron is far healthier than the original...

[@Mein-Darth]

Hes a fat evil sociopat in the books this version is to kind,

[@Mein-Darth]

@Din Ding what do you mean?

[@FishKepr]

Maybe this one discovered Proactiv.

[@RexBlazer1]

You know, I can't help but feel that there's a bit missing from this scene. I could swear I remember an exchange where Raban says that thanks to his initiative, the Atriedes now know how close the Harkonnen can get to them, followed by the Baron saying this, "Yes, now they certainly do." *Slaps Raban's face*

[@mider9996]

It's edited

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

So it wasn't just me! Thank you. I thought so too.

[@jeffreyaguilar8028]

I wanted to see him slap him. It was funny.

[@BilltheTulaneGuy]

“One of the greatest school plays ever filmed…” Thanks Algorithm!

[@OGAndizzo]

Are these little Shakespearean rhymes that the Baron quips immediately before his exit from a given scene canon? As in, does he do that in the book?

[@jmack8767]

No, he doesn't. But it isn't TOTALLY out of character for him to do something like that - he is an utter narcissist.

[@greenvalley87]

RIP William Hurt 😢 🙏 💔

[@ABW941]

While only seeing some preview pictures back then, i really thought the baron was played by john goodman.

[@mkultra2456]

loooooooolz

[@bigbob1699]

No one can do justice to the book .

[@selvamartaperalta8321]

PELICULON. PERO NO SE ACERCA A LA MAGNIFICENCIA DE LOS 6 LIBROS DE LA SAGA "DUNE" DE FRANK HERBERT.

[@ProjectMathesar]

Is that Kane?

[@BlueBoy0]

All these ridiculous tilted camera angles make it feel like the Adam West Batman.

[@Princess2Warrior]

*I'll take that any day over the Woke Dune crap we're getting from Denis VillainNoob.*

[@thorshammer7883]

@@Princess2Warrior Hopefully that doesn't come to pass. We shall see how it goes. If it goes like that then consider me out of the game.

[@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319]

I really don't want to be mean to the actors but seriously they picked a man with extremely withered arms to play THE BEAST RABBAN? Hell even the guy playing Feyd was way more buff than this guy...

[@sectorgovernor]

Bautista 's Rabban would kill this guy immediately.

[@StormyITO]

That was the worst possible casting of Piter they could have come up with. Seriously Richard Simons would have been a better choice.

[@johnkelly7757]

Difficult for any actor to compete with Brad Dourif's portrayal in the '84 version.

[@VideoMask93]

@@johnkelly7757 David Dastmalchian did pretty well-though none of them really captured the giggling madman of the book.

[@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319]

True, but then again this miniseries is guilty of a LOT of miscasting.

[@mkultra2456]

@@johnkelly7757 "IT IS BY THE WILL ALONE I SET MY MIND IN MOTION..." **Chugs back the good stuff**

[@okolona1]

I like the way Piter is always using DRUGS

[@scarey2me]

Why does this version look like everyone is going to a clown convention. Seriously. It's lost its dark mystique and turned into a circus.

[@lamaahruloma4270]

Czech accent even there and so much pronounced. It must have some reasons. Isn't the advisor Fremen?

[@johnkelly7757]

LOL

[@VuotoPneumaNN]

Fremen???

[@VideoMask93]

Piter's not Fremen, though he is addicted to spice in the novel. However, the Czech accent is just a product of the limited casting opportunity they apparently had-must have blown most of that budget on casting William Hurt.

[@mkultra2456]

@@VideoMask93 They went all out with accents.

[@jcs1025]

The costumes in this adaptation are just awful. Even the 1984 version’s costumes stand up.

[@PeterDivine]

Worse costumes, better dialogue and performances. Worthy trade-off, imho; otherwise, you get complete style over substance, like the recent movie...

[@davidturner6280]

@@PeterDivine Bruh the new one is completely superior than any other adaptations.

[@PeterDivine]

@@davidturner6280 I defy you to tell me the name of anyone in the Harkonnen family based off of the new Dune movie for reference alone. And the title of "Baron" and "Father" doesn't count.

[@davidturner6280]

@@PeterDivine they say Raban multiple times. Happy?

[@PeterDivine]

@@davidturner6280 Raban gets name-dropped exactly _once,_ and he is the _only_ member of House Harkonnen to get a name in the entire 2.5 hour film. The entirety of House Harkonnen gets maybe a paragraph of dialogue in the whole film altogether. A huge reason Dune has been such a struggle to adapt to film for so many people is because capturing both the worldbuilding of Frank Herbert and the political intrigue of Dune's houses has been a repeatedly oversized task for any film director that's tried, and this remake is no different. It's got the aesthetic, sure, but it's taken the characters and suspense of Dune and stripped it down to a middle-school level interpretation at best. The miniseries has had its practical effects age like children's toys, but it at least gave its actors a script to work with, damnit.

[@stephensmith4025]

The stupidest costume design ever.

[@giants8585]

This is so bad lol

[@pata.s.4040]

Yes, it's beautiful