The Bass Fishing Textbooks Are Being Re-Written As We Speak | How to Adapt Without FFS (Livescope)

[@chrisfulmer9856]

Man you make the most informative videos out of everyone I watch on KZbin , I mostly crappie fish but I just love watching your videos for the how too and the use of your electronics.

[@homegrowncatch]

Food for thought. I started watching this video. Got hooked because you were talking about targeting the fish offshore. I was about to leave the video and go search a video for “targeting fish off shore without forward facing sonar” I stuck around and what do ya know that’s this video!! Was gonna leave because I didn’t think based on title or the open it would talk about targeting fish without FFS. Again food for thought. Love the content and great video

[@BassandFurious]

I never want to hear tush while watching a fishing video ever again🤣🤣 thanks for sharing your knowledge

[@AnticipateTheBite]

Awesome video. Love that you're trying to figure this out without the use of FFS. Champ status. Great timing too as IMO most bass in my area seem to relate to forage instead of cover this time of year. Great stuff 🤝🎣

[@FishtheMoment]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@RhinoJoeOutdoors]

I wonder how much of this is an adaptation to increased fishing pressure on shallow bass since the pandemic. The fish learned shallow is way more dangerous for the fish.

[@brucerudd69]

I doubt that. They don’t have that kind of cognitive ability. They’ve always been there we just didn’t have a good way to target them. He basically said that in the video

[@brucerudd69]

I had some schoolers do the same thing last week where they only hit when they were busting on the surface. Just got my hover rigs in yesterday so when it finally stop raining I’ll try them out.

[@MrColeman631]

Exactly they have always been there a lot of fishermen aren’t good at fishing off shore in Deep water targeting suspended fish although today electronics are making it easier to catch those fish some people will still target the fish closer to the bank because they are set in there ways of fishing and they will never change it’s a lot easier to complain about live scope and forward facing sonar instead of trying to change an adapt to a new way of putting fish in the live well the way I look at it either learn or get left behind because the technology is only going to get better and better.

[@cliffordhutt143]

The shallow fish are definitely more pressured. Those suspending fish out deep have always been there, and this hot FFS bite will decline as well as more people adopt the technology and those fish become pressured as well. It's a bonanza right now, but it won't last.

[@brucerudd69]

@@cliffordhutt143 should be interesting to see. But, FFS has a lot of haters that won’t use it. And there is already movement to ban it in some states or on certain waters.

[@ryanvarner6520]

You always do such a great job of showing how to find and catch fish!! This is another great video!!!

[@Bbbbbbbbbbxxxx]

Buck Perry was teaching this technique in the sixties. I was a teen in the mid seventies and I read his book, Spooning for bass . I've been offshore bass fishing on secondary drop offs and creek channel structure all my life without any electronics. I just tied a two ounce sinker to some trotline and drag it from the shore until I hit a drop off and then map it out the same way. Trolling a spoon over deep structure in the summer months caught some really nice sized bass.

[@douglasspickler4925]

I have been doing this for years on Buggs Island Lake. Years ago, blue back herring was introduced. I started to notice that fishing was more difficult than usual. Fishing the traditional places and tactics. Then, the striper fisherman started telling me about largemouth they were catching out with the stripers. I started fishing the way you are doing in the video. All of this way before FFS. The bass roam with the bait and the stripers. Here in an area and gone, traveling somewhere else. It can be fun and it can be frustrating. That is fishing. 😂

[@davidparker7719]

Such a different perspective on bass fishing. Thanks for sharing!

[@FishtheMoment]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@jasondadudetoo4176]

Ive been working on figuring out how to target the "live scope" bass without the live scope for the past year. This was almost exactly what I was thinking about doing. Fish finders are truely a game changing technology. As long as you can understand and "read" it right it really pays off. I also like to go out without any electronics and old school fish. Its definitely more of a challenge. Still fun though.

[@adamklunke4674]

Any tips for a kayaker with no electronics on Beaver lake?

[@jasondadudetoo4176]

@308_holes_cures_commies I've caught more fish than you have seen pictures of, I was in the amateur tournament bass circuit in the nineties, I've been a professional guide for over ten years. I literally teach people to fish. How about you stay in your lane and give advice on being an incel that hasn't seen sunlight in months and eating junk food.

[@jasondadudetoo4176]

@@adamklunke4674 bring only the rods and lures you need to cover the three layers, top middle and bottom. Look for structure look for cover. Silent and clear on sunny days with no wind. The more disturbance there is on the surface of the water the louder or more of a disturbance your lure needs to make. The darker the sky or the darker the water the more contrast your bait needs to provide in color. And don't forget to troll. That definitely helps you find Bass and other fish in between fishing spots that you normally would miss without electronics. But you can always just pick two or three confidence baits in three different color choices and aim for structure and cover. Will the kayak you don't need to be afraid of going in really shallow like you normally would be afraid with a bigger boat. But you definitely have to be as silent as possible.

[@sirronbailey3109]

You have never in life steered me wrong 😀 my hero 👍🏽

[@josephginder820]

This is probably the best video I’ve over ever seen on marking and targeting. Very clearly explained.

[@teamflanneloutdoors5631]

I've been fishing this pattern a few years now. I paddle towards schooling Bass busting minnows on the surface in my kayak, no fish finder or sonar. I've found that killing the bait if I get a strike and a miss usually hooks me up with a better quality fish that waits below the melee. My favorite lake is deep & clear, most pound the banks but I prefer deeper off shore structure that I find dragging lures on the bottom.

[@douggoertzen2396]

When I met Edwin Evers, I asked him what the biggest mistake us weekenders make with our sonar units. His reply was, we put them on our boats and then just go fishing. We don't spend the time to learn what we are seeing on our screens. You were pointing out the size and possible species on your screen. You just reinforced my need to get better educated on what I am seeing with my units,so that I can up my game on the water. Time to look for a coach. Thanks for your content,it is always enciteful.

[@MrJimmaguire]

Amazing awesome video. Haven’t seen anything close to your presentations.

[@SickBuckNaStY]

I still use a fish finder thats 25 years old it shows fish as fish shaped symbols its so old school I more use it purely as a dept finder and weed edge finder. And I still slay em out in deeper water as I predominantly fish for walleye, pike and I also catch some nice bass, too.

[@johnharpold3994]

Jonny, I was going to subscribe to your channel but I couldn't afford to after I bought my live scope... LOL In all seriousness thank you for this video. I have had ffs for about a year and a half. Started off with mega live and was fortunate to recently upgrade to an LVS 34. I've tried to incorporate ffs as a tool into my fishing whether inshore or offshore but have struggled with distinguishing species (except for crappie trees) and how to target Bass specifically. I'm learning more about recognizing mannerisms on the screen but I've really been second-guessing myself on where to be looking to begin with. This video laid to rest several confusions I had. You are such a good teacher thank you for the many instructional videos that you've produced.

[@FishtheMoment]

Haha thanks! Glad you enjoy the videos.

[@timlong1462]

This is why I prefer to fish rivers. FFS won't do anything in 1-2 ft of water. My depth finder hardly gets turned on unless I'm motoring. They won't be able to make river fishing a video game any time soon. Still takes traditional skills. Shallow trees and rocks keep the rec boats out too.

[@VincentWondra_BBS]

InFisherman and Al Linder (Angling Edge) have been chasing offshore bass for a while... before FPS. I forget what they called it, but they said bass treat the clouds of baitfish like cover. I remember seeing some episodes years ago. Much harder to target without FPS... but like many things Al Linder was far ahead of his time!

[@jeffduncan2942]

Something I do, and Ike use to, but if I see a bunch of fish schooling in a bay, I will make pretty aggressive circle with my boat. Killer whales and dolphins will do the same think while blowing bubbles and it seems to keep them in a tighter spot because the don’t like swimming thru the bubbles

[@lamontewyche2071]

Great information. Thank you

[@Laneracing98]

I’m learning everything about fishing from your videos as I’m very green. I’ve just started this year. Where are you located, you go to all the lakes I go to? I’d like to maybe link up some time I need all the knowledge I can get!

[@godude7275]

Great video. Love your channel. However, I don’t believe that this is necessarily a new pattern. Forage (main one) and feeding times/behaviors always dictate fish locations. The previous patterns discussed in this video are just high percentage areas (staging/resting spots) when fish aren’t actively feeding or chasing bait. Bottom line, bass are everywhere, but are definitely are grouped up when actively feeding.

[@slabbusterrtr7690]

Love the show... i wish you crappie fished to

[@ColeWilliams-z6c]

Blake Capps just made the classic on grand throwing a spinner bait…not saying you’re wrong because you’re not but the old ways still come through just not on the daily like it used to be

[@Nate_Higgins]

I know that area. I was in a yak a , and there were many pleasure boaters. So, i was forced to stay a bit closer to the bank.

[@victorortiz5404]

Foward facing sonar is just simply not fair, it’s just a video game, just sucks bc people who use it, think they’re these amazing fisherman.

[@chrisfoley3320]

That's the same way they do on my lake,if they are not busting you can't catch them. They just suspend and wait on bait.

[@gregorylemoine7153]

Great video

[@steveodonnell2921]

Double willow blade spinnerbait works well for me every time in that situation. The only problem is no matter what I use I can't get anything more than 2 pounders. Still fun though

[@homebound-g3o]

Random question. If you could not afford forward facing sonar but wanted the next best thing, what would you have on your boat. I am getting ready to get my first fishing boat, its a aluminum 17ft long. Could you give the brand and model and everything plz and thank you. My budget is 2k and not a dime more.

[@BenHolliday1]

I have chased open water wolfpacks with FFS a number of times. It’s not easy to do and can be very frustrating. It’s very hit or miss. They are constantly moving and you have such a narrow margin to actually get bit when they are ready to bite and within range.

[@FishtheMoment]

Yeah it’s much harder than it looks in videos or in the highlight clips!

[@jerrylanglois7892]

Exactly, it can be very tedious, tiresome and boring. I'd rather troll, working the water column down in increments.

[@ljackson8220]

Good info. Thanks. Do you still get credit from YT if the video is shared by copying the email link under "Share"

[@phillipstone3719]

I have an urgent request for Core tackle please get with a soft plastic company & make some tush & hover rigs pre rigged im 64 yrs old & have a terrible time threading these things on straight. Signed crooked bait Phil lol

[@myriammorrison9840]

What do you do when the fish are pulled near or under the boat? Bait change? Vertical? Dead stick? 🤷‍♀️🙀 BTW, I don’t have FFS. I have noticed from other videos, more bass are pulled to the boat than I ever imagined 😮

[@jeffpyeatt1208]

We have been told for years that 90% of the fishermen are fishing for 20% of the fish FFS is proving this to be true.

[@paulksicinski6181]

Rather than spending millions on forward facing sonar, can you just spin side view sonar to point forward?

[@Bassboy334]

Could you do a video on blueback heron lakes

[@codycarter5263]

Bass master series would be much more fun to watch if anglers couldn’t use any type of sonar. Just a physical topo map of the lake

[@themack9933]

Big fish don't need cover?!? Woah this man is rewriting the book himself 😂

[@rickvann3489]

DUH! the main driver is food source. Plakton draws small fish which draws bigger fish to even bigger fish. It is called where the refrigerator is.

[@khaoxgaming]

I thought if the fish were stacked vertically, that it was normally crappie? Is this true? @7:27

[@FishtheMoment]

Yeah that’s normally the case when fish are related to structure or cover. When they are chasing baitfish in open water, smaller bass will group up and look like crappie on down imaging.

[@tombishop470]

What did you do to your foot, take it easy and make sure you let it heal up. Why did you switch from your garmin graphs to Lowrance graphs? I think you should have asked an additional question on your survey, are you planning on getting FFS in the near future, I do not have it now but will in the near future.

[@FishtheMoment]

I broke my big toe right at the base near the joint… I partnered with Lowrance for my videos going forward. I’ll be making a video explaining my reasoning, but long story short, I like the traditional sonar views on Lowrance the best of all 3 brands and Active Target 2 is good enough to replace Livescope for what I like to do. I didn’t commit to 1 brand because I didn’t think I could get the right setup with only 1 brand of units. I’ve been testing different units over the past 2 years and finally decided I could confidently partner with Lowrance on all sonar views.

[@tombishop470]

@@FishtheMoment ouch, man take care and heal up those are things that you will feel when older...trust me I know, lol. I kind of like Garmin the best, not that any of them are bad (well hbird networking is pretty bad) but I really like the new Garmin units. Would like to know what you like better on the Lowrance vs the others. I switched from Hbird to Garmin and really am glad I made the switch and thats without FFS.

[@CTRadventures]

I wish I could get decent arches. I got a lowrance eagle 9 but I got an older style bass boat deep v with a stepped bottom. I've tried everything, I have it in the best place I can get the clearest image but still hard to distinguish what I got in that 2d

[@CTRadventures]

That's the only electronic I have on my ole 88 ranger 393v. I love the experience of just being out on the water and spending time out there w my family. Learning fish behavior And if we get lucky w a fish it's a bonus

[@CTRadventures]

I love putting my son on those dingers when they start breaking top, throw on a little minnow jerk and pop em

[@tyrant357.]

Good info

[@alexraszeja9266]

Curious, were those fish bussin?

[@TripleAstyle1]

Wonder how the extreme catch rates will effect the population long term

[@NeilGraham.I.M.F]

Good stuff

[@stewartweaver2778]

what was the water temp? i did not see it on your display.

[@FishtheMoment]

85 degrees. I put it in a callout at 4:39 min mark

[@gusgarrison7288]

Bustin

[@roberttodd3215]

There are more fish in general roaming open water last couple years. It’s not pressure. I fish many bodies of water that don’t see another angler and it’s the same. All but skunked fishing shallow and structure. Ffs will show the untapped suspenders but in general more bass are roaming and suspending and it’s not bc of fishing pressure and ffs. Something weather maybe

[@keithlandrum1636]

why have you not done a settings guide on the Garmin units?

[@FishtheMoment]

Been busy running Core Tackle and making videos.

[@KeithLandrum-ys6mo]

@@FishtheMoment do you have plans to do one at some point?

[@danhall735]

What size spunk shad are you running with that TUSH?

[@Fishboy68]

5.5 bait 3/8 4/0 hook

[@robwilliams2265]

I love Buck Perry, but it seems that he was wrong about much of his information. But he was right about that most of the big bass live most of their life, most of the time, in deep water

[@jerrylanglois7892]

Yes, perry was wrong on most everything and the biggest thing was his emphasis on fishing the bottom. Bass like all other game fish I know of feed up, not down, their eyes are on the top of their head and they have swim bladders for suspending ( even panfish and catfish have them ). I've learned to always start my trolling from the top down and let the fish tell me where in the water column they want my lure.

[@jamesg1425]

I don't think he was wrong, but more like what Jonny said in the video that fish have adapted. Buck's theories held up well for a long time. Buck also says you have to test every depth, and he says you start shallow and then go deep when looking for active fish. I miss the days of no electronics besides depth finders. We spend enough of our lives staring at a screen.

[@jerrylanglois7892]

@@jamesg1425 The fish have adapted to what ?...and what buck perry theories have held up well ?

[@jamesg1425]

@jerrylanglois7892 they have adapted to fishing pressure. Just like Jonny talks about in the video, did you watch it? You even said you do what Buck teaches, gong shallow to deep when you troll to find fish. So there's one thing that has held up from his teachings. Also Buck taught about fish feeding on movements, they don't bite unless they are active. This has been demonstrated in Jonny's videos countless times. Buck also taught about Lake types and water clarity. To this day, people still use Buck's theories on lake types and water clarity to guide their efforts. Buck also taught about structure and depth changes. He taught bass relate to Changes in depth. That was also evident in Jonny's videos. Buck taught about seasonal movements. Where fish tend to move with seasons. Buck originally taught that. Still holds up today. Buck's teachings are the cornerstone of modern bass fishing.

[@jerrylanglois7892]

@@jamesg1425 Well, I can see everything I said had no effect on you and went completely over your head. Yes, I troll but I do it completely opposite from perry, just one example you failed to get or want to get. No use trying to convince someone against their will. '' Buck's teachings are the cornerstone of modern fishing '' ? When is his name even mentioned by the fishing elite, the pros the, the biologist ? I've spent 60 yrs. fishing across the south, from florida to e. tx. and have never once seen or heard of one of his '' spoonpluggers ''. Where are they ? If spoonplugging is the '' key to success and lunker catches '' why hasn't it caught on in a big way instead of remaining a very small cult up north ? After all, it's been around since 1946 ? I was a diehard '' spoonplugger '' in the 70's and 80's and corresponded heavily with perry and can tell you some interesting stories of how buck wanted to use me and my twin brother to promote spoonplugging but he's dead and in all fairness not hear to defend himself so we'll let it be. Good luck with buck's influence.

[@nicholasbonilla7895]

So now we are trolling for largemouth bass?

[@jerrylanglois7892]

A great way to find fish, only problem is trolling can't be done effectively in a bass boat. You need a tiller handle outboard rig so you can '' walk the dog '' with your lure, following the depths and contours precisely.

[@chrisfoley3320]

Bass have became my like stripers feeding. I think this is due from tournament fishing. We go all over the lake catching bass and bring them all back to only a few places tournaments are held. We throw thousands of bass in the same areas year after year. We are creating schools of bass that feed in schools instead of feeding as individuals. I think any tournament with over 50 boats in it should have to return fish to multi areas on the lake.

[@jasondadudetoo4176]

Or maybe they've always been feeding like this. I know plenty of guys that were catching them on schools of bait fish before forward facing sonar. I remember several people winning tournaments in the 90s catching offshore schooling bass. It was just much harder and not commonly accepted. Not to mention the fact that there have been multiple studies about bass being all released at the boat launch and it showed through tracking that they moved back to their original areas within a couple of days. Very few stayed around and most traveled in schooling packs.

[@chrisfoley3320]

@@jasondadudetoo4176 yes we have always caught bass busting on shad in the fall and late summer because shad start to make big moves but bass mainly feed on lizards,worms crawfish,baby ducks or any creature they could ambush around the shore when I first started bass fishing(50 years ago). Now they suspend more to ambush like stripers. As far are bass returning where they were caught, recent studies show only 3% return on highland reservoirs and 8% on lowland.

[@jboz1435]

I’ve thought the same thing, especially for the tournaments that do it during the spawn. I’ve been really impressed with catch, weigh, release. Looks like the kayakers are doing that, and some of the major tournaments now too. kills me to see a couple thousand fish swooped from all over the lake going to one or two areas.

[@732brudder]

@@jasondadudetoo4176 Actually studies recently have showed that after major tournaments over 50% of bass stay within the same area they were released

[@lineman10able]

If bass fishermen adopted trolling this pattern would have been decades old.

[@Bbbbbbbbbbxxxx]

It is decades old. Google Buck Perry. Us old timers have been trolling spoons over deep structure/ Creek beds for decades. That's where the biggest fish hang out.

[@Cricket-d6h8k]

Sight fishing at 50ft lol. First off fish have to have a place to go to get away from being hunted for a while. Do you want your bass to spawn well in your lakes? cause this will hurt if too many do it. Just sayin

[@deancornett73]

I hope core tackle made some $ off of Do-it molds🤔😬

[@rickp8557]

Great informative videos. Have been watching for a couple years. But please ease up on your tackle ads every other sentence.

[@FishtheMoment]

Glad you enjoyed! Haha yeah sorry about that. I definitely went overboard on the bait callouts this video. I noticed that while editing and tried to edit some out, but it messed with the flow of the video. I’m going to work on it going forward.

[@kurtvogel9431]

FFS is now and into the future. Get onboard or be left behind.

[@BoostedMK6]

So basically us that fish the bank need to buy a boat.

[@logankue9627]

Well I guess I'm out of luck since I bank fish.

[@solaydbak]

Who cares when people have live scope. Fishing as a sport has hit the “steroid era”.

[@KissmyBasss]

Im ready to take my ffs skills to a better quality lake. We rarely see more than 3-4 bass schooling .

[@lukeperkins8508]

Using boat electronics is not a skill. Anybody can learn how to read sideview/ffs with enough time. I dont go around saying i have great skills with the fish finder

[@SERGEX42069]

LOL. Bassfishers finally realize what saltwater guys have always known. Find the bait, find the fish. I always knew you guys were a few points off.

[@nofx21081]

I feel Ford facing Sonar will be more excepted when it’s more affordable for us middle-class folks. It already costs an arm and a leg to keep a vessel on the water!!!

[@TEarp-cl9hd]

You kinda got off the point of your topic.

[@CarolinaReaperr]

It breaks my heart to watch my favorite sport being ruined before my eyes along with the fisheries that support it👎

[@HzrdsTbccnst]

What do you mean?

[@MichaelGrossman-q9t]

I think that is the misconception…catching FFS fish is still extremely difficult…You may be able to locate fish you hadn’t seen previously, but actually getting them in the boat is not easy…watching the pros on TV makes it seem like all you have to do is see fish on FFS and throw at them and every fish bites your minnow…it doesn’t work like that

[@FishtheMoment]

Yeah it’s much harder than it looks in videos or highlight clips on social media!

[@dtps_champion6016]

Watching tournament anglers hold bass at a 45 degree angle by their mouth pisses me off

[@lourensjoubert8652]

Please say “tush with spinkshad” less Seriously, please please need to hear that less

[@Shaqoneil81-ci7dr]

Where’s the skill in this?! It’s time to ban FFS in tournaments.

[@drivenbyarchery8676]

You clearly haven’t tried it are you wouldn’t ask that question.

[@davidhenderson1738]

If there is no skill then get a FFs and make money doing. Quit bitching and go beat the bank

[@drivenbyarchery8676]

@@davidhenderson1738 that’s what I’m talking about. Couldn’t have said it any better than that.

[@jerrylanglois7892]

FFS is not a cure --all.

[@Shaqoneil81-ci7dr]

@@jerrylanglois7892 It’s going too far. It should not be allowed in tournaments. In fact I think side imaging might be going too far.

[@cecildowning7822]

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[@Macdaddy8124U]

Randy Blaukat is not rewriting anything in the fishing industry!

[@andybales7318]

It's no secret bass have been out in open water forever....there will always be fish shallow as well as deep...the problem today is cheating has given no protection to every bass in a lake...these deep water bass aren't pressured & with legal cheating being the "technique"...the fish have no chance....teenagers catching 30 lb. Limits in major tournaments because of Cheatscope should be very disturbing to true anglers

[@z7josh]

Such a biased, terrible take. Your complaint about the angler’s age tells the rest of us all we need to know about yours. Stop gatekeeping fishing. There are no “true” and “untrue” anglers, you honestly sound more ridiculous than fly fishermen who whine that it’s not “real fly fishing” when other people add a split shot to get their fly out further and deeper.

[@andybales7318]

@@z7josh move along Scoper....go find more of your kind

[@andybales7318]

​@@z7joshmaybe now with Cheatscope, u can finally beat your PB of a 1 lb. 5 oz bass...😂 good luck Scoper 👍

[@z7josh]

@@andybales7318joke’s on you, I can’t even catch one that big with scope. Teach me your ways, oh wise one, there must be so much wisdom in that ridiculously thick noggin