The Battle Above Camp Khitomer

Star Trek The Undiscovered Country

[@Deevo037]

I'd swear Christopher Plummer was having an absolute ball in that role.

[@thunberbolttwo3953]

It shows.

[@doberski6855]

Well it did give him the chance to perform Shakespeare in the original Klingon!

[@bobblum5973]

@@doberski6855...hence my comment: "You've never really heard _Edelweiss_ until you've heard it sung in the original Klingon..." 🙂

[@doberski6855]

@@bobblum5973 The Bat'leth armed children marching through the Alps to battle! That scene always has me in tears!👍🤣🖖

[@bobblum5973]

@@doberski6855 "Today IS a good day to sing." (We really need some Star Trek character emoji with various facial expressions!)

[@sheldonpangburn7707]

"id give real money if he'd shut up" is an epic snark imo.

[@thomasb1889]

What I loved was they were talking back and forth but it did not impact what they were doing.

[@Toybinging]

That photon torpedo was so good, it traveled 80 years in the future and also hit the Duras sisters

[@GreatWhiteShark75]

That is because they also wanted to get banged by Kirk!

[@wadeleetorres2585]

I know, same video archived footage, right?! 😄

[@astrofan1993]

@@wadeleetorres2585 Probably as a cost-saving measure. As it is, The Wrath of Khan reused several shots of the Enterprise from The Motion Picture, mainly those where they left Spacedock in order to save a bit of money on special effects. And it's not Star Trek, but the original Battlestar Galactica did that all the time, especially whenever they showed the Galactica's turrets shooting at a Cylon Raider. They'd just flip the screen vertically whenever they wanted to show it shooting at a different angle. Basically, if it saves money, better to reuse a shot for a different scene than it is to waste money shooting a whole new one, especially since this was an era when CGI was nowhere near as advanced as it is now, so they had to use practical effects for most of their VFX.

[@Shootingstarcomics]

@@astrofan1993I remember McGyver using several scenes from movies. The A-Team had a shot from Airplane.

[@astrofan1993]

@@Shootingstarcomics Never saw MacGyver, and saw only one episode of The A-Team (specifically, the one with Boy George), plus the movie adaptation. I have also seen Airplane. Very funny movie.

[@dansmodeluniverse]

"Fly her apart then" one of my favourite lines

[@pjimmbojimmbo1990]

It is one of my favorite Lines, of the entire Franchise

[@thomasb1889]

@@pjimmbojimmbo1990 Likewise it defined the Sulu captain which we sadly did not get to see outside of this movie.

[@fearisthemind-killer]

@@thomasb1889 I thought for sure we were getting Sulu movies.

[@granvillewalkerjr.8394]

"Target that explosion and fire!" Sulu's baritone voice is a TOS classic that is irreplaceable.

[@ianfraser6161]

“Fly her apart, then!”

[@VintVarner]

Oh My...sorry had to put that in there..lol. "Shields up, alright now we've giving then something else to shoot at"

[@charlesfiscus4235]

Sulu as Capt of Excelsior is bad ass , and the line when the helmsman says we'll fly her apart and his response to it "well fly her apart then"

[@CatsClaw44]

​@@charlesfiscus4235 He and Scotty are underrated as captains, Kirk had a badass crew.

[@aesopsoze]

I absolutely love it when Chang was quoting Shakespeare while the proton torpedo was coming.

[@seanwebb605]

It didn't occur to him to get out of there before both ships started firing.

[@maundamartin59]

I saw this movie opening day in SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA IN 1991. The IRONY of it all is that I was in the US NAVY. And this movie used a lot of REAL NAVY TERMS AND CONCEPTS. EVERYBODY IN THE THEATER GAVE A STANDING OVATION AND WHISTLED WHEN THE BIRD OF PREY GOT HAMMERED.😊

[@franzhaas5597]

I saw this movie in Hong Kong. I was in the navy also. This movie was a really fun time.

[@user-ps8kp1eo9k]

Navigator: “She’ll fly apart!” Captain Sulu: “Then fly her apart!!” In my humble opinion, best two lines of the movie 🎥.

[@WUZLE]

I wish we'd gotten more of McCoy and Spock working together. It was great fun.

[@DrewSavo]

“Doctor, would you care to assist me in performing surgery on a torpedo?” “Fascinating.”

[@UKVoodooUK]

Sulu was the Captain we needed more adventures about!

[@trhansen3244]

No. He was just average. The only reason people think they like him is because he came out of the closet 30 years later than he should have.

[@stevedj101]

@@trhansen3244 Oh my.

[@Cha0sCloud]

@@trhansen3244 Wrong. OP is correct. (Also, you went straight to the gay stuff. Weird.) Walter Koenig was just average. George Takei had the gravitas of being an awesome starship Captain as clearly demonstrated in this scene. Having a series of the Excelsior with Sulu at the helm would of been phenomenal.

[@trhansen3244]

@@Cha0sCloud Yeah, gay stuff is weird. I agree.

[@Cha0sCloud]

@@trhansen3244 Your autistic focus on homosexuality is weird.

[@user-yl8kn9hm6y]

I like when McCoy says I Give Real money If He Shut up

[@boscovilante4068]

Now that's Star Trek. Formula Perfectly Balanced. Like a fine wine.

[@xlDeathlxJosey]

I prefer Deep Space Nine myself. If you long for some Trek like Sci Fi and haven't seen Stargate SG1 definitely check it out. It's like having a long lost Star Trek series due to how similar the episode setup is.

[@plainsimpledav946]

"Target that explosion and fire!"

[@GreatWhiteShark75]

Reminds me of the scene from The Hunt for Red October when the Russian torpedo doubled back and went right into enemy sub, the second in command said: "you arrogant ass. You killed us," I betcha those Klingon's were thinking the same thing.

[@GreatWhiteShark75]

@duimpjeneer Just the look on their faces.

[@vcv6560]

Good point

[@Falconlibrary]

I know Shatner and Takei hate each other's guts, but I have to admit, Takei as Captain Sulu killed it in this scene.

[@incredibleXMan]

I know people love the various series but I think this is perfect Trek. Intelligent, old fashioned and thrilling.

[@jime6688]

I saw this in the theaters during first run and I tell you, when they blew up Chang’s ship, you never heard so much cheering from the audience as I heard that night. It was done so well, the audience was invested, payoff superb. This kind of reaction doesn’t often at the theater and it’s so much fun to be a part of when it does.

[@bobblum5973]

"You've never really heard _Edelweiss_ until you've heard it sung in the original Klingon..."

[@quernalt]

Cyndi Lauper's "Girls Just Want to Have Fun" in its original Klingon is even better.

[@cogsmeister]

😂 doubt anyone would get this

[@quernalt]

​@@cogsmeisterah right. Because of his role in sound of Music

[@0biwan7]

maria von trapp was a klingon?

[@kegginstructure]

@@0biwan7 - no, but the kids were half & half.

[@imperfectxennial3008]

One of the best space battles in sci-fi history

[@zzing]

I actually didn't like this so much. Don't get me wrong, it is quite well put together but it plays too fast and loose with shields. The torpedoes look like they just go right through them.

[@incredibleXMan]

​@@zzingyeah tbf that is a justified gripe. I don't think they were keen on bigging up the shields at this time.

[@geezerman58]

Mutará Nebula battle in Wrath of Khan is another. Also, the battle between Enterprise and Romulan warbird in ‘Balance of Terror’ is another one.

[@mdteletom1288]

I thought it was fun to watch in the theaters when it came out but I've always thought this movie was one of Shatner's weakest as Captain Kirk. His role is underwritten and it seems all of the command decisions are being made for him by Spock. On the other hand, the interior of the 1701A in this movie is the best with this cast, and is leagues ahead of those in the Kelvin timeline.

[@zzing]

@@mdteletom1288 Star Trek V entered the room.

[@SirFlannel]

Can't believe it took them THAT long to reinvent the heat seeking missle

[@marcelojj2009]

TBH, in real life the same thing happened. For a long time, heat seeker sensors were the goat of short range missiles...and, then, their inacuraccy, and the development of better options (like radars and lasers), made then almost gone, relegated as secondary weapons. Now that the tecnology changed the battlefield again, with heavy EM Countermeasures and laser detectors making radar and lasers less eficients, in certains situations, high accuracy passive heat sensors are back in the game, HARD.

[@dracopendragon6829]

They never actually needed one since, prior to this movie, there was no ship that could fire while cloaked.

[@bobblum5973]

Let's not forget that they had to cobble it together so it would _only_ seek out the cloaked ship while avoiding the two Starfleet vessels.

[@javaman7199]

@@bobblum5973 Probably programmed it to seek out a source of gas with no visual object within specified range.

[@FP194]

@@bobblum5973 They would have programmed it to home in on the specific type of plasma coming from a Klingon ship

[@chrisconnors7327]

Rip christopher plumber

[@Llyander]

God, this is such a great scene. The action, the tension, even the one-liners. Everything just works.

[@pinpointpinpoint6017]

The chess game against khan was still the best. As was Kirk's reply..... ,'here it comes'

[@DiscoRaptor]

3:15 "Excelsior's been hit".... yeah, she has, and her shields absolutely tanked the hit, she took zero damage!

[@brianl4262]

The things got to have a tailpipe!

[@davidhenderson3400]

My favorite part

[@trhansen3244]

But why did it take so long for Starfleet to figure this out? It was just silly. A lot of scenes in this film were silly.

[@THall-vi8cp]

@trhansen3244 It took so long for Starfleet to figure it out because it took so long for the witers to come up with the idea.

[@JH-su9vl]

Sulu has the best line in this movie

[@fjccommish]

Delivered horribly.

[@jaimemurphy2208]

Delivered like a beast@@fjccommish

[@guysky3873]

"You got hearing problems, mister?" There is no defence against the Captain's sass 🖖🏾

[@NonSenseMcGee]

Two of them. "FLY HER APART THEN!" "Target that explosion and fire." Both gold.

[@trhansen3244]

@@NonSenseMcGee Pure cringe.

[@darthroden]

"Gas." Not sure why but that line cracks me up every single time.

[@cpear760]

Sulu barking orders was awesome.

[@williamhaggard451]

Doctor would you care to assist me performing surgery on a torpedo Fascinating

[@mechanix1228]

I had the previlage of seeing this in the theater. I along with the rest of audience cheered when they took down the bird of prey.

[@trhansen3244]

You really expect us all to believe the crowd cheered? Come on, man!

[@mechanix1228]

@trhansen3244 yes. Opening weekend and the last movie with the original crew. Fuck yeah people were hyped.

[@samsmith2635]

@@trhansen3244 It was Captain James Tiberius Kirk! Of course we cheered!

[@trhansen3244]

@@samsmith2635 Tiberius was an ineffectual, timid emperor of the Roman Empire. To cheer such a name is roughly the same as cheering Joe Biden. You expect me to buy you all cheered Joe Biden at the end of Star Trek VI? Come on, man!

[@ecotrekker8184]

@@trhansen3244 People often cheered during Star Trek movies at the theater. It was great to see the movies with other fans.

[@andrewkapplin1138]

One of the best sci-fi whodunits ever filmed. Love the movie. It also show extreme loyalty on the part of Sulu. He’s willing to risk all to save his friend.

[@alfredvalrie5541]

The Great Country House Murder Mystery in space. Stupendous.

[@jamiedunbar1695]

Christopher Plummer had more than a ball. He was also obviously a Shakespeare freak. Quite talented in it too.

[@Cha0sCloud]

Kirk: "Where's that damn torpedo!" Bones: "She's ready Jim. Lock & load." Kirk: "FIRE! 💪"

[@patrickwilson1459]

4:41 It’s all over, Chang!

[@mysterymayhem7020]

Who else sits there watching this repeating the lines perfectly before the characters speak them?

[@fatherandsontheretrogamers7038]

Come on, come on, She'll fly apart, Fly her apart then. Best line!

[@uploadstuff1762]

Damn every time spock and McCoy collaborate shit gets done RIP both! We miss you from far away!😊

[@Sennmut]

What a blast.

[@Lightescape1]

Still one of the best scenes in all of ST. amazing.

[@Jack29151]

"Shields are weakening!" well scotty by the looks of things, your shields weren't working to begin with! lol

[@MarshalStomm]

The initial hits were scorching the hull, and shaking the ship, but once the shields went down that next shot tore straight through the saucer.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

Shields only deflect a majority of damage, not all of it, unless the foe is using extremely weak weapons. Shields and phasers in later series became a little too ‘space magic” for my taste…

[@franzhaas5597]

I love the way kirk just says...FIRE.

[@walterraleigh5915]

If there is something more majestic, elegant and magnificent than Christopher Plummer speaking Shakespeare while driving this battle scene, I've yet to see it.

[@cygnustsp]

The whole theater exploded in applause when they blew up the klingon ship

[@derekwarr8567]

This was the second best Star Trek movie behind Wrath of Khan

[@classicgmr]

2 points from this video: 1) I’m so glad they gave Uhura so much more than a background line here and there. Her coming up with the final solution instead of Spock/Kirk was elegant and overdue. 2) Takei is a captain we deserved and it is a mortal SIN he didn’t get a series.

[@cgore4]

Picard "Target that explosion and send my condolences. I'll be in my Ready Room should anyone want a holier than thou lecture on why we're stopping here."

[@GreatWhiteShark75]

"FLY HER APART THEN!!!!"

[@adambadass]

"Captain, she's packing quite a wallop!"

[@azurerainbow4637]

Hikaru Sulu could've also distracted Chang from having more shots fired on the Enterprise-A when the Excelsior arrived by talking to him whether Chang would've spoken back to him or not so that maybe the Enterprise-A's hull wouldn't get compromised.

[@chrispeplinski7306]

That would have been interesting

[@hawkstringfellow]

The excelsior comming in taking a hit on the jaw sulu the man!!! The final bow of the TOS crew movies thank you one last great ride like TNG gave us in picard season 3

[@trhansen3244]

Sulu is not a man. Half a man maybe.

[@JohnDoe-ih8ou]

That same exact bird of prey explosion was used in the Star Trek: Generations where Lursa and B'etor's bird of prey was destroyed by Enterprise D. Cutting costs.

[@BrotherDerrick3X]

Enterprise D

[@JohnDoe-ih8ou]

@@BrotherDerrick3X typo😉

[@alangrayer7055]

Nobody can take a punch like Enterprise!

[@tred6292]

I wonder if this moment caused StarFleet to rethink its protocols of engagement? The idea of what to do if you face an enemy you cannot detect. What to do to give your ship a fighting chance. Rather than just sitting there without the ability to fire, new tactics would be invented after this attack to give ships a fighting chance against cloaked ships. I am of course referring to the tactics used by Picard and the Enterprise E during the battle with the Scimitar. By the 24th century, clearly the tactics had changed so that when faced with an enemy you cannot see, rather than sitting there taking fire while trying to come up with a way to penetrate the cloak, you use light phaser rounds to try and find your target in space, so that you know where to fire your heavy artillery.

[@NACLGames]

This is a moment when the type of cinematography style kind of impinges on the way Star Trek 'works', which creates a problem for canon. Most of Star Trek seems to be based on the idea that sub-light engagements happen at thousands or even tens of thousands of km range. There is usually an implication that the audience assume ships aren't actually as close to each other as they appear on screen. This gets muddied from DS9 era onward, which includes Nemesis. Ships not only look very close together, tactics are used on-screen that assume mere kilometers separation at most. Now, while long range engagements are probably the more "realistic" take on future combat, I'm not hung up on whatever is presented as canon in Trek if it's just meant to look good. I make a distinction between scenes that are intended to impress via visuals vs tactics, with this scene in ST:VI being of the latter. However, it's still kind of a problem with scenes like those in Nemesis when you have a mix of both. So which one is relevant when talking about extrapolating combat for the rest of Trek? Fact is, this scene in ST:VI can probably assume to be visually compressed on screen, and the BoP is actually firing from at least thousands of km away. Nemesis's anti-cloak tactics were good, but most of it assumes the ships are always in close contact. That seems implausible when we take the rest of Star Trek into account, Scimitar probably never needs to be that close, and even if it did, it can cover the same extreme distances in seconds. It actually even does so on screen. I like to think that at the very least, while unsaid and not matching what was on screen, said phaser fire in Nemesis wasn't entirely random, and was based on extrapolation by the computer. OK so that was a huge wall of text, but basically, I'm not convinced that Nemesis style tactics are very applicable in most of Star Trek's settings. If we think about how the various technologies work, defeating cloaked ships should be more like old-school submarine warfare. And while various tactics exist for that, when it comes down to it, you kind of just try to detect the other guy first, block their objective or just trade shots.

[@richa.s9912]

Cloaking space ships bending lights around and act like a 4-D mirror 🪞 and reflected Lazer lights around and space ships but having a missiles and bombs would actually hit it

[@richa.s9912]

I love the Enterprises Bombing fire and lightning ⚡ netting that exploded without being hit at the ship it spreading around nets like a fishing nets that catches multiple fish in the net 🥅 and it light up the invisible spaceship if it gets caught in the net bombs same way as Battleship against the submarine that used sonic blasted on timer Depths Charge bombs sending out water waves to detect hidden submarine while Using the Sound Sonar detecting waves pining back imagery shaped submarine and other Warship and Star Trek never has been reusing old technology of 1940s and I know there's no gravity and no water and no air to actually feel waves and sound doesn't travel in outer space.

[@zzing]

In the TOS episode with the Romulin played by the same actor as played Sarek they did some estimation of where they were going to be. So given that a torpedo is visible, they should be able to use preestablished tactics to basically do the same thing.

[@goranmihajlovic6179]

I read some beta stuff about the tactics became basically what you see in Nemesis and without shields, you were gonna get rekt once painted by phaser fire, besides advancements in sensors. So firing without shields while cloaked was dropped.

[@trwent]

So nice of the Kligons to stop firing on the Enterprise for a few minutes so that Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Uhura could figure out how to modify the photon torpedoes to locate the Kligon ship!!

[@headjames]

I imagine that it was kind of like sniping from different positions. You fire at the one of the starfleet vessels, then go quiet for a while, whilst you get into a different and new position, then fire again. If you kept firing off shots regularly then the starfleet vessels would have been able to determine the launch of successive torpedoes and work out a projected trajectory.

[@zach7948]

​​​@@headjames I'm pretty sure that's how Nazi U-boat captains attacked the Atlantic convoys in World War 2. They would have needed to seek the best firing angles and would have needed to avoid Allied depth charge attacks.

[@Sephiroth144]

"I'd pay real money if he'd shut up." "I'd pay real money to know which ensign decided to pump the comms channel into the torpedo tube..."

[@NealX_Gaming]

Always thought it was cool how the Excelsior shrugs off the torpedo hit without any hull damage at all.

[@philswaim392]

I never understood why they couldn't target the coordinates of the source trajectory of the torpedo. I imagine they're not standing still though

[@Forge17]

It was 1991, but it helps that’s they appear to be from quite a distance away. Out of phaser range at least

[@philswaim392]

@@Forge17 Laplace was 1800s. We knew how to trace trajectory.

[@lluisetmarco9525]

Perhaps they fired and shifted position... in fact the second shot the BoP is behind the Enterprise...

[@lluisetmarco9525]

What it always bothered me is that no other factions had any starships in orbit or the vicinity... Romulans, Breen or even Klingons.

[@philswaim392]

@lluisetmarco9525 yeah that has to be it. The visuals dont give much clue and i suppose thats on purpose. It isnt like twok where you saw the two ships dancing in the nebula ha

[@ZakEmber]

A lot of people don't know this, but William Shatner understudied for Christopher Plummer doing Shakespeare at the Stratford Community Theater. It was his first big break. A lot of the Shakespeare in this film is a wink & a nod to how these men know in each other in real life.

[@UstraMage]

This scene was super tense in theaters

[@ericmiller9688]

Enterprise A one tough ship !

[@ChrisCooper312]

Wonder if they repaired the damage to the hull before she ended up in the Fleet Museum? From a real life perspective it's often tempting to put things back into as new state (so as she was in The Voyage Home) but at the same time battle damage is an important part of her history.

[@Cailus3542]

The Enterprise crew certainly did some repairs en route to the starbase. Beyond that, the Enterprise was probably kept in the fleet reserve for a while, just in case an emergency arose. Starfleet needed the ship to be ready on relatively short notice. It took decades until the Enterprise was sufficiently obsolete that it could be taken out of reserve permanently.

[@smartalec2001]

One assumes so. Geordi was certainly fixing up the Ent-D.

[@ericmadsen7470]

Kirk is a brilliant tactician and it's because he has the best crew in the fleet and a few friends to help out when Kirk is in trouble.

[@wadeleetorres2585]

"Captain Hikaru Kato Sulu" to the rescue."😊👍.....🖖

[@eljay5009]

Love the beauty shot of the Enterprise-A at 1:35

[@petersoumanis5494]

I just realised that the guy talking at 2:21 is none other than Kurtwood Smith (from That 70s Show), I was expecting him to call the assembly "Dumbass" :D

[@2Scribble]

3:01 - huh! Chang plays Klingon Academy just like me when I'm bored xD

[@sebolddaniel]

That was so exciting. If I were only in middle school again. I will have to luck up those Shakespeare quotes.

[@RoyQuinto-fw7uz]

Dont get me wrong I love this battle, but am I the only one wondering why there are not any other ships in the entire sector? With all the galactic leaders in one place - there isnt anyone on the planet, in orbit or nearby protecting them?

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

It was a plot of both Starfleet High Command and The Klingon Empire to assassinate the leadership of both the Federation and the Klingon Empire, to start a war.

[@smartalec2001]

The people in charge of security are the ones who want the Federation President dead, and they've probably convinced everyone that secrecy and not drawing attention is better. And they do have a ship protecting the place: Chang's Bird of Prey. As far as anyone's concerned, he's the one on guard.

[@Biker65]

The greatest starship ever.

[@johnsumner6593]

loved when chang said cry chaos and let slip the dogs of war, best line in the whole movie

[@saarnoldbhm]

Don't you just love how Uhura just casually leans over the rail in the midst of a battle where they are about to die.

[@ZakEmber]

"Do you know the Klingon proverb that tells us, 'Revenge is a dish best served cold?' It is very cold in space."

[@PhilDrury]

The most interesting thing about this is he asks McCoy where that torpedo is.

[@user-lq9oi5jq3n]

Awesome

[@heatseeker13at1]

There is missing content in this battle, it's now different from what I remember seeing originally in the theater.

[@mitche5007]

Shields didn’t do much in the early movies apparently 😮. I noticed too, that neither of the Romulans nor the Klingons ever found a way to perfect this prototypes design.😊

[@deantaylor5614]

Inspired by Uboat vs destroyer warfare I’ve just realised

[@user-yl8kn9hm6y]

She's ready Jim lock and load

[@paullee7467]

What I don’t understand is why they didn’t have software that would register & pinpoint the energy surge when a photon torpedo was shot from the Klingon vessel. I realize it can move after it decloaks to shoot the torpedo but literally you could get a phaser shot off in that short period of time before it moved. I know it’s just a movie.

[@rjlt4841]

All those years fighting the Klingons and it just then occurred to a Starfleet officer that a cloaked ship would emit gas that could be tracked?

[@potsdam28]

Ordinarily they can’t fire while cloaked so it’s not an issue

[@barryf7253]

Not only did the explosion tear the ship to pieces, but each piece decided to explode as well.

[@stus2159]

Yes and?

[@incredibleXMan]

Anyone know anything about the prototype ship? It seemed to pack quite a wallop as Scotty said. Enhanced weaponry?

[@nazarethpriest4724]

Please don't tell me in the far distant future that their epiphany was a HEAT SEEKING MISSLE...

[@potsdam28]

Not heat plasma seeking

[@gevdarg]

Satisfying.

[@tanstaafl6723]

“Target that explosion and fire”

[@GodfatherJAM]

Sulu was the captain of the Carpathia racing to the Titanic.

[@misterstock5602]

The Duras Sisters' ship took 1 torpedo to destroy. But this was overkill that felt good. (Same scene explosion for both).

[@agm8554]

The Duras Sisters targeted the Enterprise-D's warp core. That's why it took only one shot.

[@conshohockenpleadsthe5th478]

At the 3:48 mark, the torpedo fired by the Klingon Bird Of Prey impacted the Enterprise VERTICALLY, ..so WHY does the torpedo destroy the ship's galley HORIZONTALLY from left to right??

[@zacharyfett2491]

Not everything on a ship is laid out up and down. I think this was shown a couple of times in the JJ Abrams Trek movies.

[@TheRogueLeader]

Also it blew the Door off, so the pressure wave went thru the opening where the door was

[@lluisetmarco9525]

It could have ruptured a plasma conduit or a secondary power line, thus creating secondary explosions..

[@MarshalStomm]

Warhead penetrates the bottom, THEN explodes.

[@gazf9946]

A Bird of Prey versus two Federation heavy cruisers. It was only going to end one way 😂

[@Audioholics]

so superior to any JJ Abrams Trek in every way.

[@robertstewart1223]

I never understood how the old Star Trek movies and series defined shields...Scotty's talking about shields starting to buckle near the end of this battle but Enterprise has already taken 3 or 4 torpedo's directly to the hull. This is the way all of the old episodes went. At least by TNG they started to get it straightened out. Shields surround the ship....They keep the hull from being greatly damaged. There can be concussion damage or heat damage but you wouldn't see large areas of the hull blown through until the shields had completely failed. Yeah, I'm a nerd but ffs...Have a plan on how things are supposed to work before shooting the footage! :D

[@Cowcow211]

The Enterprise of this Film was due to be decommissioned. It's equipment is old and outdated. All the photon hits were bleeding through the shields and shinging the hull. Note that Sulu's ship took no damage from it's Torpedo hit due to be an advanced ship with up to date technology.

[@robertstewart1223]

@@Cowcow211 Well, that was a nicely crafted answer to try and make up for the show runner's lack of imagination on what shields should be...But again, this is definitely not the only time the Enterprise had its hull blown through while shields were supposedly still functional and at no time during the TV series was the Enterprise to be decommissioned. Nevertheless, It was a very good attempt to defend a beloved cult classic. See, to me, it seems like they are saying shields but describing armor. Right?? Shields are like force fields, armor is attached to a hull (like a battle ship) if Armor buckles, then all that is left is the hull... Again at least by TNG, they had it all worked out.

[@user-be2dt8eg2x]

@@robertstewart1223 The shields are numbered and identified by location. That's why in "Elaan of Troyius" Kirk tells Sulu to "keep out forward shields to him (the Klingon)" -- suggesting the shields have sectors. Plus, Spock calls out damage to the Klingon by naming shields by number. As what the show runners are doing, keep in mind the TOS producers are the ones who created all this. The others are just following TOS's lead.

[@WUZLE]

This movie started the bad habit later Trek had of shields doing absolutely nothing. in Wrath of Khan both ships' shields were done so it all made sense, and that battle was fun so we ended up with unshielded ships. This reached its absolute low point in DS9 where ships seemingly not only turned off their shields but wired explosives to the hull. Thankfully in Nemesis shields became important again, except for the Romulans who still turned them off and wired explosives to the hull.

[@richa.s9912]

You mean like American army tank which has a explosive charge on the outside of the tanks shields that exploded the minute before the actual impact of another missile rockets hitting the tank to actually spreading out exploding charges against the missile?

[@richa.s9912]

I would think 🤔 that shield on space ships would have stars flares spreading around when being threatened by Lazer and bombs like America jets and army helicopters has to catch each bombs and missiles and stars flaring would have caught bombs and missiles like a fishing 🥅 nets scoping out invisible missiles

[@richa.s9912]

I noticed that each Star Trek space ships has several layers of shields surrounding ships and I guess our military Services tanks doesn't have multiple layers of shields they only have 2 solid layers of shields and both shields are different types, One type of shield is Ceramic heat resistant shield and and another shield is Bullets proof armor and the newest shield is SpiderWires Teflon flexible bullets proof with a built-in light weight Ceramic heat resistant shield.

[@richa.s9912]

Why wired explosive charge on space ships to destroying their own space ships if shield was gone ? Is this like what happened to Japanese Suicidal Bomber on airplanes or jets letting them explode on contact against Americans Battleship during the Japanese Wars and China Wars against Hawaii Islands Pearl Harbor 1940s ?

[@joesoul2472]

I always was of the thought that the shields were meant to absorb the energy from an attack, like phasers, but that the hull might still slightly suffer from physical impact, like the actual torpedo itself. Or maybe the explosive, direct impact of the torpedoes dealt some impact damage to the hull, whereas phaser fire could be dispersed along the shield grid

[@user-ov4wd8qz6l]

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[@VankeithB.-lx1dy]

In the final battle, the Enterprise-A is taking heavy damage, Captain Sulu and the Excelsior lends a hand.

[@richa.s9912]

I can't tell on Klingons make-up on Christher lordy and Christhrer Plummer

[@mchrzestek]

I never understood the problem they were facing. With 23rd century technology their sensors should have detected a torpedo appearing out of nowhere instantly and simultaneusly fire phaser barrage in that direction. I guess that wouldn't fit the plot however... Great scene though, just doesn't make sense if you think deeper. Unless Chang's bird of prey was not stationary but moving around in 1/4 impulse (1/16 speed of light if I remember correctly). That would be more tricky to react to

[@TheBigExclusive]

Chang's Bird of Prey was constantly moving. And getting hit repeatedly by torpedoes was slowing their reaction time. It was like getting a surprise punch to the face. You are stunned for several seconds. By the time the Enterprise recovered from the torpedo impact, Chang had already moved locations.

[@Neo-vz8nh]

​@@TheBigExclusive but the torpedo needed to time reach the target. It is not a surprise. Unavoidable, but not surprise. After the firing they should immidetly counter attack with phasers to the firing location. Unless they were out of phaser range, but then the torpedo needed even more time to reach the target.

[@rosariodagosto6484]

REST IN PEACE CLIONS 😊

[@guysabol8743]

TWICE when the enemy could have disatched Enterprize and hated Kirk..they dally around and in the END THEY get the end.. curiosity !

[@timothysomers9434]

U believable ❤❤❤

[@seanmcdonough4902]

Any missile fired in space or an😮atmosphere from initial launch point would be easily detected...even it's wake could be used to locate launch point