The Battle of the Worst Teams in F1

[@connorappleton1945]

Alfa Romeo/Sauber after the first 8 races of 2022: "Ight imma head out"

[@tommywang8229]

Alfa was lightest car at the beginning of the 2022 season. That helped them a lot while others were overweight.

[@The_ZeroLine]

Alfa was a useless partner and the Audi partnership is what pushed them out. But it’s ironic because there’s a decent chance Audi isn’t even going to be around in 2026 and a high chance they’re not in F1 after 2029.

[@MuhammadNiz007]

The fact Haas has gone from last year texas failing the biggest package of their entire era to having Toyota behind them a leadership team lead by Komatsu and also the Ferrari TD is gone and a TD choosen from within there team and made them this competitive ia just incredible

[@191_keshavmishra9]

Toyota is basically a technical partner regarding livery and all... but they're playing a long game the will acquire haas 100% some day

[@piuthemagicman]

​@@191_keshavmishra9Toyota GR in Germany will produce Haas' chassis from next year onwards. Toyota will replace Dallara. That's quite a bit more than a livery sponsorship deal, mate.

[@1greenMitsi]

@@191_keshavmishra9 if Toyota will be willing to stump up a couple billion to buy in

[@billhoult3262]

They currently look like the 5th fastest team, even though Komatsu said in preseason interviews that they expected to be last by a significant margin. Incredible.

[@CreakingJordans]

Right. Now all we need is a Latifi vs Maldonado video

[@kyrie6910]

Latifi vs Zhou/Mazepin is more fitting lol

[@caseyf14483]

@@kyrie6910vs raghunathan

[@gamechip06]

LATIFI is the GOAT what are you on about? It should be LATIFI vs ham, shumi, max, or senna.

[@takeshi_r3235]

​@@kyrie6910 Zhou is much better than these 😅

[@adiossoydaniel]

Put some respect on Maldonado. He was quick on his day

[@dlanistheman]

Last time i was this early Daniel Ricciardo was still winning races

[@MuhammadNiz007]

Yeah you mean getting lucky

[@ishqiahmed4315]

@@MuhammadNiz007 "lucky"🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@jbizz_123]

@@MuhammadNiz007no way u just called ricciardos wins lucky

[@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT]

Last time you were this early, Ric was actually relevant.

[@livispuzzled]

LMFAO

[@KenKotsuNoGarp]

I mean, a 4 year commitment, I still would bet on Sauber/Audi. Audi has managed to achieve good results in all categories they've been a part of + Binotto for all his faults as team principal, he is the engineer that brought back ferrari from the horrific 2020 season. With a big regulation change + Prost leaving + Alpine ditching their engine + Alpines directive team being always chaos, my bet is 100% in Audi.

[@bossfight6125]

It’s a case of “it’s the car’s fault not the driver’s fault” that’s making them look shit

[@tondaron2362]

Alpine has been going down each year since 2022 with the same engine. The issue is mainly at Enstone, not Viry.

[@Warrioruk]

Their chassis is not that bad. Their engine is just an embarrassment.

[@themidnightinator]

To be fair, that can be attributed moreso to the field jumping up then Alpine sliding down. In 2022, they were 4th, best of the midfield, then in 2023, McLaren and Aston Martin jumped up and became frontrunning teams, so 6th was still best of the rest. 2024 has been an absolute disaster tho

[@notliquid1448]

​@@WarriorukThe chassis was more than 15kg overweight at the beginning of the year. How do you explain Alpine going from 4th to 9th despite no engine development being allowed for 3 years?

[@MihaiKrieger]

The passion Aldas pronounces the word "pressure" is contagious. It is clear that he really likes that word.

[@robotmafia000]

Yup 😂

[@evildracko]

ASton hast done everything right. Except brining 2 good rivers instead of being a one driver team.

[@The_ZeroLine]

Yeah. I can’t wait for Fallows to go back to being a Newey errand boy. On top of Newey, they’ve got about ten engineers who are incredibly famous engines in their own right. And their facilities are amazing and coming online at just the right time.

[@jacliffh9221]

It is painfully funny that sauber now has some of the quickest tyre changes of the midfield now when their car is in development hell, and when the cars were actually somewhat competitive in the first 5 races they had engine issues, detachable front wing endplates and 50-second pit stops

[@The_ZeroLine]

Haas’ & Alpine’s staff size are not that far apart in reality. You’re not counting all the de facto staff at Dallara & SF who build + design its PU, gbox, suspension, chassis, etc. and the fact Alpine is shedding 400+ jobs that were all on the Viry/PU side.

[@GregBrownsWorldORacing]

If HAAS had the same money and resources as Alpine, they would destroy them. Of course leaving the French govt. out of your racing team is always a net plus. Not sure what Sauber's excuse is.

[@notliquid1448]

Enstone managed to go from 4th to 9th despite an engine freeze being in place lmao

[@The_ZeroLine]

This a silly and simplistic take that would have gotten laughed at had you posted this any of the last five seasons before 2024.

[@The_ZeroLine]

You also can’t compare staff sizes since that’s Alpine’s staff size making their own engine and much of Haas’ staff is de facto working at Ferrari and Dallara.

[@fabienmboudoungougni4720]

Toyota is looked as the worst manufacture in F1 (in terms of money spend vs. results) and they were really terrible for all the resources they spent. But seeing what Alpine/Renault is doing since 2016 is just depressing for a manufacturer. They were never able to challenge the top teams on pure pace and probably "never" will. Maybe they will just leave the sport in a few years but let's see.

[@fabienmboudoungougni4720]

And Sauber is just horrendously bad this season. Even their driver line ups are uninspiring since 2019. They brought in Gio who took some time but was pretty solid in the latter stages of the 2021 season (and I was rooting for him). Unfortuneatly he wasn't a consistent driver. Zhou started promising in 2022 and until halfway of 2023 but ever since and especially this season (apart from Bahrain) he has been nowhere. Of course he beating Bottas sometimes but most of the time he is outqualified by 0.5-1.0s. Maybe a mid-season driver swap would be for the best (the car is still awful, but atleast be could asses some of the young drivers like Pourchaire or Drugovich,...)

[@MouseEvil]

Because renault sees the F1 team as a promotional asset instead of sporting aspirations

[@hileutewie]

​@@MouseEvil It's not really motivating me to buy a car from a brand that is consistently at the back of the pack and peaks in the midfield. Seeing Ferrari, Mercedes and McLaren at the front on the other hand... It gives you confidence to buy a Mercedes hybrid, considering their success in F1. As a customer you'd assume the knowledge trickles down to their production cars, which is most likely the case. Motorsports is just R&D and marketing for car brands after all.

[@MouseEvil]

@@hileutewie they just want you to know what Alpine is

[@The_ZeroLine]

It’s not about admitting Alpine can’t do it. It’s them finally admitting they’re not willing to spend the $ to make their own engine competitive, especially without a customer. They’re still clearly a far better aero/chassis designer than Sauber. You can’t blame Flavio for any of their mismanagement. All of the wild, aimless firings happened before he got there. And of course the interim TP, who came from Viry, was going to go. He’s been making all the right calls since he got there. Rossi’s ego destroyed the team in just two seasons. They went from fighting for 4th to 9th. But they’ll recover with him gone.

[@diogopaisjorge7557]

alpine please sell the team

[@DavidLimofLimReport]

These teams would still be miles better than Caterham, Marussia, HRT, Super Aguri, Forti, Minardi pre RB etc. though

[@bsylvester713]

Manor were challenging Sauber in their last season and Caterham would have got there. Super Aguri weren’t that bad either. The loss of these teams is such a shame.

[@bucketslash11]

Alpine should've put all their effort to the 2026 engine specs Sauber should probably sell the team and focus on Endurance before they jump back into F1

[@yusufemreduman9137]

İ watched this video before the race and we got alpine p2 p3 like you know It's life

[@snowtrooper8817]

It’s slightly untrue about why Alpine’s engine isn’t as good. From about 2019 onwards their engine was good enough for a championship IF the chassis was good enough. By 2022 they were on par with everyone else. The other teams however, still developed their cars through the “reliability” clause in the rules. Renault just couldn’t develop like the rest of the teams in the engine freeze. It still should be noted that the engine deficit they carry is no way near as bad as the chassis deficit.

[@WorldHello-ne8mn]

If either zhou or bottas lost their seat this year, That sauber shit box and pitstop/strategy team has to be responsible for it

[@AndreiMitroiu]

We need a video on the worst driver pairings, either by lack of talent or by toxic rivalry.

[@hardwareissue3588]

I don't trust alpine, with Audi there's at least a chance for Sauber redemption in future.

[@EL1TEHD1]

Binotto just said the engine will not be very competitive

[@HallucinatingHedgehogs]

@@EL1TEHD1 yep I think alpine will be better in 25 and 26 but from then on I have more faith in Audi.

[@EL1TEHD1]

@@HallucinatingHedgehogs binotto said they won't be truly competitive until atleast 2028, don't expect much from them

[@HallucinatingHedgehogs]

@@EL1TEHD1 rip Audi in the mud before they even started.

[@aryanravi2627]

I think Sauber isnt developing cause its like "we are gonna become Audi anyway, let's not waste money right now"

[@LeventeF1]

Truly the battle of MID

[@patrickcesalestajodywibowo741]

"Hey, how's our engine development progress?" "Feels like French Revolution, boss. Quite literally!" 😂😂😂

[@The_ZeroLine]

I’d much rather be with Alpine. It’s clear Alpine will instantly move up the midfield w/a decent engine. Sauber has NEVER finished as high as Alpine did during the 2018-2022 seasons. And, second, VW is suffering a financial crisis. They’re going to ditch F1 before they even start. Their lack of commitment can be seen in how slow and tentative they’ve been in actually investing in infrastructure.

[@patepulkkinenvtec2403]

9:54 Yes, Lawrence Stroll has done everything right. For example keeping his underperforming son in the team for years...

[@ExodiaNecross2]

How can aston martin done everything right when lance stroll is still there flopping as usual?

[@Hamilton8timeChampion]

they doing right things but stroll is a busted leg

[@thomaskunz3726]

I can not stop being a Sauber fan, because in 20 years or so, they will win another GP :)

[@justajhininleagueoflegend881]

it's called kick sauber because it really kick sauber out of f1

[@merafen8036]

Please never stop using this music

[@historymaniac2615]

10:06 championship capable drivER not drivERS

[@ahsjsa4736]

Vettel:

[@historymaniac2615]

@@ahsjsa4736 in 2023 when they had a decent car? only one good driver

[@aurionblackfyre8480]

If I was a driver and the only choices I had were either no seat or a seat in alpine, I’d rather have no seat. After everything we’ve heard from Oscar, ocon, Alonso and otmar and plus not using their own engines

[@aurionblackfyre8480]

But Andretti doesn’t bring anything to the sport which is a joke

[@1greenMitsi]

alpine are just the product of Renault exiting F1 without actually selling up. Briatore is there just to lean the whole operation out until Renault decide to comeback in 2030 or beyond, which will be impossible if they had to fork out a couple billion to rebuy a team

[@pramodn9077]

Crux of the video: Sauber is relatively better than Alpine. Great analysis

[@KilogrammeKG]

Have you listened the High Performance podcast with Otmar ? Because he explained well the problem of Alpine. Basically, Renault Groupe Management. Also there is a podcast with Cyril in french, and he made the same analysis before Alpine took over. The F1 team is not independant. Each departement is reporting to CEO and the Board of Renault group, and not the Team Principale. Alpine/Renault F1 team were really competitive in 2020 under Cyril Abiteboule, which btw is doing great in Rallye. Alpine Problem is Lucas De MEO and Briatore. Not the people in Viry-Chatillon.

[@notliquid1448]

Well said!

[@Amemji]

If I was a driver and I had to choose between these 2 teams 1 I’d be depressed at my options and 2 I’d go to Sauber purely for the Audi project.

[@lisapfisterer7943]

at least i’d have fun at sauber & not get stalked 🥴

[@selder_7]

If Sauber don’t score that’s the only team in this region set to not score in a season, shocking

[@_.Lumi._]

Haas and Williams proved theres always a chance to bounce back if your willing to put in the work😊

[@Fiasco3]

When you can't be bothered to develop your own engine, in a works team that says everything about Alpine.

[@TZ-pm8ws]

I just feel really sorry for the two Alfa Romeo drivers. Zhou got a point in first F1 race (with plenty of luck but nonetheless). It really is the car.

[@mrsparkle444]

Battle of GP2 Engines

[@alvarorey9308]

Here after Interlagos

[@stevenjoseph6048]

It's probably not gonna happen but it'll be funny if both these teams nails these regs and are the top two teams considering all the abuse they both get from fans

[@piuthemagicman]

a certified Brawn GP (tm) moment

[@ZombieDeMierda]

​@@piuthemagicman double diffuser goes brrrrr

[@brickpopo4951]

If you save a couple hundred million going with a superior and proven merc, never mind the egg on your face, there is a lot more money available to dedicate to the aero and chassis. Remember that won't just be getting the power unit. The gearbox, rear suspension and brakes come with it. That's a lot of stuff you don't have to develop yourself.

[@DavidLimofLimReport]

God I miss the glorious days of pre-qualifying!

[@kenyiabreu2045]

We need Andretti, we want Andretti

[@kambojsbTech]

What is the background music?

[@WWade-cm8hx]

I would still go with Sauber, Alpine has the cash, people and facilities but too many turf wars and politics, they are DOOMED.

[@Nebula_Ultra]

Well, you ask what I would do, I'd be happy just to take a ride in one so 4 years in either sounds like heaven. Im not a racing driver though. If I was...Williams.

[@mikolaygrudzien8764]

I believe Audi will succeed, once the full ownership is in effect. Sainz will regret not signing with them.

[@Lamlerongy]

but i mean well he didnt choose them

[@samudrasyarif6828]

So this was battle German ( Sauber Audi ) versus France ( Alpine ) lol

[@KaaramVedhava]

I hate it here at Audi

[@Crazyfish2100]

Sainz didn't choose Aldas, Alpine or Audi but Williams, can't understand the logic

[@Michael_Dunn]

William has the second most championships after Ferrari. If he’s gonna drive for a near backmaker team then why not drive for the second most dominant team in history of f1.

[@beathammer7420]

look at where W was a few years ago and where they are now... at least they're moving in the right direction

[@grabthecat]

I dont know why Gasly is not looking for a way out of that piece of s… team 🤨

[@piuthemagicman]

Good salary + liked by his team = comfortable environment

[@adamcollingburn430]

You can’t call Sauber, Audi yet - they aren’t working on this years car at all

[@Driscoll1997]

I think alpine has just been an embarassement. They had a pretty decently fast car in 22 with alonso and it just got worse over the year and years. Its a shame that F1 would prefer a team like this than a team Like Andretti.

[@TVH13-NL]

8:50 - 8:57 this is what I said since 2024

[@8bvg300]

C’mon Alpine were alright last season and have only fallen off a cliff this year. They’ve still clawed back some performances now and again

[@MouseEvil]

Audi isnt on the grid so saying that audi declines is weird

[@bsylvester713]

Sauber is worse… they can’t even pick a driver!

[@adrianzanoli]

Alpine no doubt, they will have 80M more to spend on car dev. and probably the best P.U. Also, the Audi project won't be competitive before like 2030... even they have little to no hope of podiums or wins, let alone WDC. Alpine will win a race before Audi will score a podium. And last, Briatore has the correct mentality of winning despite everything.

[@andreicranga14]

I would love to be the janitor for any F1 team 😆But I would rather go to McLaren because I am a life long fan 🤩Between these two it is very hard to pick, they are both awful at the moment. I would go to Alpine for the Merc engine, I think.

[@845_Mk6]

I’d take stake over alpine for 4 seasons 🙏🏻

[@BPBomber]

I can’t stand Alpine. I miss their yellow Renault days.

[@MuhammadNiz007]

BTW aldas wanna buy a piece of Alpine they are up for sale. 74% of the team is for sale at evaluation of 1.1B$

[@antonysnook4932]

Alpine and Audi are both bad cars. Audi will turn into Audi soon so they wont invest in development until Audi and there money comes in. Alpine was a good team a few years ago and has backing from Holywood celebs so they are well funded. It is management that is wrong since they fired Otomar Sanfuser who was also fired by Aston Martin.

[@superwingman3152]

Why Alpine mismanage their own team? Easy, They're French😂

[@lancealvarez1009]

bottas dont deserve this shitbox

[@maxrichter6164]

Alpine cuz i hate anything French [ Except TGV Trains theyre awesome ]

[@genluk]

TBH I rather be in Sauber or Alpine than Williams

[@James-re8qi]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: stop saying "euh" at the start of every sentence. Perhaps visit a speech therapist

[@piuthemagicman]

That's a you problem. By the same logic you need a mental health check mate :)

[@blauekits7782]

If I had to I'd pick Alpine because while the loss of the works team status is embarrassing & the management is trash, the biggest weakness; the engine, is gone and they can now put more money & focus on the car. It has better potential as a stepping stone to a better team than Sauber

[@wenshyang]

hope andretti buy alpine to join f1

[@BPBomber]

I can’t stand Alpine. I miss their yellow Renault days.