The Beginner's Guide to Immersive Sims

[@jakeey0]

Cruelty Squad is genuinely the best game I've ever played and I'd pay any amount of money to experience it for the first time again.

[@kineticrib]

My preferred way of getting Deus Ex working on modern hardware is actually the Community Update, and I'm disappointed it isn't more well known, since it includes some essential mods, along with the optional Lay D Denton mod, and is one of the easiest ways to get the game working today.

[@dweller132]

DXCU Nitpicky Mini is always my go-to, it's a more vanilla oriented version. Only problem some might run into is DX9 renderer doing weird stuff with the mouse or OpenGL not working (the one it uses is XOpenGL, I think, doesn't work on some older systems like mine).

[@drshemp1]

I played Deus Ex Transcended for my first time. It stays true to the original and runs great!

[@messer7450]

i think kenti deus ex launcher works really good too

[@Thyrork]

Lay D Denton was a really fun mod and a really good achievement on their part. I was completely smitten by it with how well they work around some of the gendered dialogue in DE in really seamless ways.

[@TaylorWilmes]

Why mid games to get them to work? Just play as intended.

[@zetry8774]

Here i am watching a beginners guide for immersive sims after having played 20 or so 😂 (it doesnt matter charlatan wonder videos are always a must )

[@RegularCustomerMan]

bro same. I always get excited seeing a new charl video even if its a game I know well

[@Zhukiv2009]

Same thing

[@humanharddrive1]

Name 20 immersive sims.

[@Matthias129]

@@humanharddrive1 Go shave your neck.

[@shawski684]

@@humanharddrive1 Name 10 books.

[@sirbill_greebi3811]

An ImSim is any game where breaking the game is intended, and the final boss sucks.

[@NeverduskX]

While it's still in Early Access, I'd definitely recommend looking at Shadows of Doubt for anyone who's into mystery. It's pretty much the closest you can get to being an actual detective in games. The game generates tons of crimes, odd jobs, and other mysterious to solve at any time, and every new games spawns a different city with new civilians, buildings, streets, and so-on.

[@glens2019]

I wouldn't recommend it at current given the way clues are generated. One time I investigated a murder in the middle of the street, so I opted to check the nearby street camera for people that passed that street at the time of the victim's death. Several dead end leads later, I checked near the body and found a card that straight up spelled out the culprit's name and that culprit never showed up on the street camera.

[@Fenreliania]

Believe it or not, my first immersive sim was E.Y.E. back in an early Steam sale before Dishonored even came out. Cannot say what long lasting impacts it's had on my psyche.

[@mylifeisafuckingmeme]

Disregard psyche, acquire brouzouf

[@krispy_kornflake]

I hope your legs are OK

[@ZylonBane]

E.Y.E. isn't an immersive sim. It may have a lot of sim, but it has about zero immersion. None of the levels feel like realistic places, they just feel like deathmatch maps.

[@hash-slingingslasher1374]

@@ZylonBane I guess I was immersed in a world of deathmatch maps then.

[@SomeBody08150]

Same actually.

[@whinegummi6329]

Prey is way underrated. I hated te first two hours. But oh boy after that it exploded for me. One of the best games I ever played. The exploration alone.

[@GSG-io8zp]

For me the first hour was the best as the opening twist was just insane to me

[@dictionaryofwords1108]

Interesting! I quit after a few hours because I couldn't get into it, you're making me think I need to give it a 2nd chance. The mooncrash dlc looks dope as well

[@whinegummi6329]

@@dictionaryofwords1108 try it, play until you can change into small objects and explore. I hated the game. Now I think it is a Masterpiece. The stupid slime gun in the beginning... (I later loved it for traversing)

[@whosaidthat84]

I dropped it months ago because of boredom but I recently picked it back up and I'm glad I did! It's a great game, reminds me a lot of old school Metroid in that you need new items or abilities to fully explore the world. Definitely got me interested in the ImSim genre

[@elviskleber10]

The 2010s were too good, we had two AAA studios releasing immersive sims with Arkane and Eidos Montreal. It's very cool to play deus ex mankind divided and see little influences from dishonored 1 like a few similar refined animations for first person movement and that dash ability the works as deus ex's version of blink. For a moment we had that thing of watching a back and forth between studios working in the same genre like it has happened in the 2000s with IO, kojima productions and Ubisoft making stealth games.

[@limpa756]

2:00 for anyone that cares, there's a mod for Deus ex HR that lets you make the hud larger if you have a large display, you can also play the game at like 4k and downsample and fix the hud. The same mod has a few fixes.

[@MortimerSCrane]

I’ve recently been trying out an indie imsim called Burial Brush. It’s a bit weird but seems promising. A bit Thief ish but you’re a little dude with a grappling hook tail. My current play through is a stealth arson one. Side note : I enjoyed your video!

[@RegularCustomerMan]

bro. "baby's first 0451" absolutely riotous

[@NemesisTWarlock]

Bit of rambly comment, but: Now, I know it's NOT an ImSim by the primary definition, but I've been playing my Phantom Liberty Cyberpunk 2077 run with the "Pacifist" box-stacker mindset. Mostly this consists of Speccing into Max Cool and Tech To make a Stealthy Active Camo Edgerunner build, Using the (single) Non-Lethal weapon mod, Non-lethal quickhacks, etc, finding alternate entryways, and trying to talk my way out of (or into) situations when possible. I also have a bit of a Self-imposed challenge, As I use the Biosculpted Exotics mod, to never harm another exotic. This has led to some very interesting stealth sections and conversations with NPCs I would normally zero without a second thought... But yeah, I'd personally recommend intermediate ImSim Fans give CP77 a go, just be aware that you're pushing up against some major limitations of the game systems if you don't play it like a Boomer shooter with Damage numbers. :P (and for the love of god, do NOT stuff people in lockers!)

[@d33dr0]

Thief the Dark Project. THe game is where I started.

[@matradz]

X4 Foundations, Kenshi, Warband My top immersive games

[@swisssora5034]

You can get Deus Ex games for literally a few dollars during a steam sale, and most modern computers/laptops should be able to run it. the barrer of entry is extremely low

[@Glassandcandy]

I love this genre so much. I think my first immersive sim I ever played was Bioshock when it first came out and loved it but I was also a kid so I didn’t immediately realize how customizable the game play could be. It wasn’t until Deus Ex HR and Dishonored that the whole ethos of immersive sims became clear to me. Since then it’s been one of if not my favorite genre of game, with the only contender against it being CRPGs. I just love games that are designed to where every play through feels unique and new somehow. Like I just replayed fallout new Vegas for the 8th time this year and I’m STILL finding new tactics and ways to solve quests in that game. It’s great

[@Geeler]

Another one I'd recommend for people interested is Arx Fatalis :)

[@pauloricardo-wn6ps]

Arx is fantastic, i finished it for the first time today and i was learning new things right till the end of the game, it has one of the best magic systems i've ever seen too

[@SpecShadow]

It's just RPG, a really good one, but still only RPG.

[@nataliapoklonskaya4933]

Not an immersive sim

[@ZylonBane]

CharWon: Makes video for imsim _beginners._ Also CharWon: Insists on referring to Prey by a name that it ISN'T CALLED BY ANYONE BUT HIM. Good job, Charizard Wingding!

[@pwnage765]

Bruh, if you're gonna specify that it's actually Prey (2017) every time you say Typhon, then it might just not be worth it to call it a different name. It sucks, but it's called Prey whether we like it or not. Personally I think PsychoShock or something like that would've been a good name.

[@Whizzer]

I prefer NeuroShock myself.

[@hollohead7631]

you're right and all but also prey is a terrible name

[@pavlotverdokhlib7627]

E.Y.E. is just a wonderful mess. Unless you've played OG Deus Ex, System Shock 2, and the original X-com: UFO Defense (oh, and Diablo 2 for good measure), you will not really understand its systems-- and even with all that, you will still need to trial and error the hacking system before you learn not to get hacked by a door. But once you understand it, there is no game that makes you feel more powerful.

[@Dennis-ud2nh]

07:57 the game shows this to you more than once I think. You find pre-glood paths and I think you see an NPC demonstrate it while fleeing from an enemy.

[@mrherb9142]

Yeah, in an auditorium connected to one of the labs you see one of the scientists running from a phantom. He just gloos up a wall and still gets shot

[@cherrypopscile3385]

Its simple. The first immersive sim was BioShock infinite, and the most recent one was starfield

[@johnathanshade2578]

my favorite was pac man and dont you dare sleep on him

[@snakeshepard9761]

guy mixed up immersive sims with immersed in shit, understandable

[@MECHA_DI]

E.Y.E was my first Immersive sim. I love it

[@jorgi6961]

Oh thank you so much, it's e.y.e, I've been looking for this game for like a year now, so glad I clicked on this

[@MrBrankilla]

Funny thing is. The first game I played on this list is E.Y.E, beat the game like 10 times by now. Then I played Dishonored, after that like 3 or 4 years later i saw Prey on steam and thought Let me try out these Immersive sims. Never thought either E.Y.E or Dishinored were considered one. Still havent finished Prey, but i LOVE IT so far

[@manigoldo8736]

I hope one day you will try Rain World, it's an Immersive Sim masquerading as a Metroidvania. One of the few games in which I experienced true emergent gameplay, don't let me started about the procedural animation governed by an unscripted AI...

[@Bluecho4]

I think one way to define an Immersive Sim is that of a game that doesn't present problems alongside solutions. But rather a game that presents problems, period. And then gives you enough overlapping and robust systems that you can cobble together your own solution, and have it work. "Box Stacking" is not a solution. It's an expression of a physics engine robust enough that you CAN stack boxes and platform off them. AND have the game not stop you from doing it through tons of invisible walls or unclimbable geometry. If the game gives you a gun that shoots sleeping darts, an Immersive Sim is when you can use that sleeping dart on anyone. Not just an arbitrary, designated set of characters, while others are equally arbitrarily immune. To create an Immersive Sim means both doing the work to make sure the game doesn't break (or doesn't break in a way that prevents victory) when the player does some nonsense, AND restraining the impulse to put guardrails around the "intended" experience. That's the difference between aping the _forms_ of an ImSim, and actually making one. What makes it _Immersive_ is an internally consistent set of rules, that the player can use in an intuitive manner. They aren't thinking, "What's the intended solution the game designers built for this problem?". But rather, "How can I use the tools at my disposal to get what I want". In a manner that makes the player feel like they're a person living in that world.

[@nemtudom5074]

7:10 Fun fact! I read somewhere that it was originally called *Neuroshock* during development, and even if thats not true, i still think we should call it that, because: 1: Its really freakin cool and much better than either Prey the non affiliated reboot, or Typhon, which is just a bit too vague for my liking 2: Screw bethesda's meddling

[@27chandlers]

I always personally called it "Psychoshock", but I think "Neuroshock" works just as well

[@LORDOFDORKNESS42]

Great list & video. My only addition personally would be Dark Messiah on the beginner side, and the System Shock Remake on the advanced list. Since both have some dang cool stuff, and they look amazing on even a half-decent computer while still having said im-sim goodness to them.

[@ablazedguy]

Dark Messiah ain't no immersive sim. Half-life 2 also has interactible environment and you can kill enemies using it, but you wouldn't call that game ImSim.

[@Aggnog]

Considering there are less than 100 imsims in existence, with the same top10 being mentioned every single time, I don't see how anyone can get lost if they got this far in the first place. The problem the mainstream audience has is with understanding the genre in the first place and wondering why its like a shooter but slow.

[@TheMC1102]

When there hasn't been a new Deus Ex game in over half a decade: "What a shame."

[@PcCAvioN]

What the world needs is a deus ex remaster in mankind divided engine

[@TheMC1102]

​@@PcCAvioN Wouldn't that be a remake?

[@saisameer8771]

What a rotten way to die

[@MrJinxmaster1]

It's actually not possible to play dishonored as a normal human. You have to use a power at 2 points, to escape the assassins' makeshift holdinng cell, and to climb the boat lock to get into the palace.. Spent a good while at both points (and several other challenging but doable points) trying to find a way to not leave the bounds of my 100% pure stealth no knockouts/kills/powers/equipment run.

[@sprksmr7208]

I played EYE before any of the others. Hell, I played it before even knowing what an immersive sim was and it was the only game I had for a while. I became one with the cycles of guilt

[@iBishopEsquire]

My favorite played: Dishonored, Prey, Bioshock, and if it counts Kingdome Come D

[@brianparker5323]

Speaking of the cycles of guilt. I have something to admit. I... started ImSims with the PS2 version of DX back in the day. I feel shame. I hope to grow past this some day. I also enjoyed xbox Invisible War? I'm a fraud. What else am I admitting.... hmm. I enjoyed E.Y.E. but never finished it because of a progress breaking bug. I should go back to it, but I'm a coward. And then there was the time that.... nevermind. Thank you for your art. You are appreciated.

[@alexbassett6967]

I really hope Streum On will make a successor to E.Y.E at some point, because there's just so much going on, and for how excellent it plays, the supreme jank does truly make it the final boss of imsims, where if they could just make the onboarding to the experience less painful and grindy while maintaining the level of mechanical complexity that makes high level play so unique, it could take off so much more. That's not even considering how visually awesome some of their designs are... I like 40k, but the E.Y.E setting could be built on so much more, and it would be sad if Streum On only ever makes 40k games in the future.

[@AynsleyGreen]

Anything that involves the term 'onboarding' is inherently painful.

[@dembones9275]

an immersive sim i like is a turn based old school ExCom style voxel rouge lite called 'enemy' it's on steam and it is really hard to look up due to it's name, it has all the facets of an immersive sim including box stacking (if you have a point in a certain stat), and i have been wondering if anyone else has played it or heard of it before

[@wintermute5974]

You mean 'The video games you played as a kid, mashed together and remade into a tactical role-playing game.'? Looks interesting.

[@Jota_Eze]

I would love to play Cruelty Squad but I really need my eyes working properly.

[@jaysonata3211]

Proud to say I’ve played… 1 and a half of these 😂. Great video, boss.

[@MICKEYrenraw]

Still kinda sad that basically all immersive sims can be covered in 1 relatively short video (last video)

[@NapazTrix]

I really wish we had more like Mankind Divided, both graphically and gameplay-wise, just way more expanded in ways of completion and interaction/reaction of the world. Most of the "ImSims for ADVANCED BOX STACKER ONLY" just heavily push me away due to the graphic styles and aesthetics.

[@backslash153]

Watching videos about Dishonored makes me hopeful for Arkane Lyon's new announcement of Marvel's Blade. Sure, it's a marvel license so that's reason to be cautious but. I mean. Look at it. What they can do. When they're not being forced to make live-service multiplayer slop. Let it be an immersive sim, Arkane. Do it. I am hopeful.

[@axsprime]

Started with HR and went straight to EYE. not much scares me anymore. I am one with my guilt.

[@TheMC1102]

Arkane Studios peaked with Prey and it was all downhill from there.

[@jeremieh5009]

Don’t do mooncrash dirty like that

[@Valkod23]

In terms of immersive sim stuff, they peaked with Arx Fatalis.

[@gingerwhale871]

Id say Bioshock is a great Beginner ImSim! Its linear enough to be approachable, but gives you a glimpse of the genres Magic

[@chuggaa100]

Bioshock is not an immersive sim

[@redclone100]

Lol what if I said eye was the first im-sim I played when I was like 13, and was super confused but just enamored by it

[@daddykarlmarx6183]

Pretty sure you contested its immersive sim status, but id recommend BioShock, its what i started with and the first one is still one of my favorite games, in terms of gameplay its very fun, but i think its simple enough for new people, the world is just so atmospheric and interesting, and unlike a lot of immersive sims that are 20 years old or made by indie devs, BioShock actually looks really good, and i know graphics aren't everything but they certainly help, especially for newer/more casual players

[@me1ne]

I recommend playing Prey without any skills.

[@jestergodfield690]

No matter what im-sim I play, my style is always the same! (SAVE SCUM TO SUCCESS, BABYYYYYY!!!) 😎😎😎😎😎😎

[@L251125]

I'd add that given its status as a proto-imsim, System Shock 1 is a really good starting point. However, even despite the fact that it was mentioned in the video, I am particularly talking about the remake. But Human Revolution is pretty much the best choice for most people if you need a jump start.

[@bubblesman01]

Human Revolution being referred to as "Baby's 0451" got me good. I genuinely like the game a lot and it's a great description.

[@VoidSmoker97]

Both Ultima Underworld games deserved a mention even if they're a bit too archaic, and of course Arx Fatalis mainly the first half of the game

[@bigTHULU]

stay out of the house is a top tier horror im sim, don’t sleep on it

[@SomeBody08150]

And here i was Eye being my first and to date only game out of this list, that guide you made for how to overcome the Filter on mars was very VERY handy for getting to experiance the best parts of the game.

[@altechelghanforever9906]

It's funny because I went from First 0451 game to skipped everything inbetween and binging E.Y.E. Divine Cybermancy like a mad man and getting all the gates.

[@thesubslayer4275]

My legs are ok

[@CharlatanWonder]

you gain brozouf. you gain brozouf. you gain brozouf. you gain brozouf. you gain brozouf.

[@PeteOfDarkness]

If I can add something to immersive sim, try Messiah. Yes, the baby Cherub brain parasite simulator. It's not exactly Immersive sim (or is it?) but worth checking for it's unique "roleplay as cop/hooker/mutant/whoever you can possess" mechanics and emergent gameplay. Hell (pun intended), if You don't intend to play you may just watch hour-long review by Grimbeard.

[@maddockemerson4603]

I've seen that on Ross's Game Dungeon and I got the impression it's not an ImSim at all, just a really frustrating action stealth platformer thing. If you've played it, how well does it pass the Locked Door Test?

[@deadspace4755]

It's even worse that Codename 47 in regards to its gameplay and its main selling point. l have played it, and only 2 hours or even less are required to understand. Codename 47 at least had some moments where the disguise and stealth worked. However in Messiah? Atrocious. That game is only playable on Easy if you value your time and sanity. And you have to jump to body to body if you get discovered, to clear any enemies. There is no Stealth, no level design to promote stealth. Just a linear platform that possess some kind of disguise system but mainly, it is an action platformer game. Mostly action. But l love what it tried to do, only thing l hate is the missed opportunity to make a great game. The concept is there but not used well At least in Hitman, they knew what to do and improved over time to reach Blood money greatness. Messiah really feels like an Alpha game, it is clearly rushed and incomplete.

[@PeteOfDarkness]

@@maddockemerson4603 I played years ago, but if by "locked door test" you mean if obstacles can be bypassed with several ways, usually there are stealthy and gunfight approaches, as well as occasional "other" ways (like possessing rats or optional puzzles)

[@maddockemerson4603]

@@PeteOfDarkness Yes, the locked door test is the question of how many developer-intended ways are there to get around an obstacle, the locked door being the most common example. For example in Streets of Rogue, you can: 1) Get the key to the door from an NPC in that building, which you can do by --1-A) Neutralizing that NPC, which itself can be done by ----1-A-1) killing ----1-A-2) tranquilizing ----1-A-3) sometimes asking the allied or friendly NPC to leave the floor ----1-A-4) sometimes threatening, which will cause the NPC to drop all items at the elevator upon leaving the floor; this is like asking politely but if your RNG fails the NPC becomes Hostile ----1-A-5) arresting the NPC if you're character class is Cop --1-B) convincing the NPC to give you the key, which can be done through ----1-B-1) bribery ----1-B-2) being allied with that NPC, which can be done by ------1-B-2-A) being the same class as that NPC for some classes ------1-B-2-B) having a trait like Random Reverence or Friend of the Common Folk that makes characters allied to use ------1-B-2-C) brainwashing 2) Pick the lock 3) Break the door down with any damage type if it's wood; I believe metal doors can still be destroyed with a Door Detonator 4) Destroy the walls if they're not reinforced 5) Find a window and --5-A) break it then crawl through at the cost of some health --5-B) use a window cutter to completely remove the window and just walk through 6) Enter an unlocked door which may lead to a more dangerous route to your goal -7) I was going to mention bribing a bouncer to let you in, but bouncers guard restricted areas, not strictly speaking a locked door- 8) Knock. When someone answers, you can --8-A) Attempt to neutralize that character (see 1-A) --8-B) Put your foot in the door, a pathfinding exploit which causes the NPC to be unable to close the door upon walking away so you can sneak in --8-C) just walk in if that NPC is Friendly or Allied (see 1-B-2) --8-D) Just run in. Residents will become Hostile upon you acting on achieving the goal of the mission or possibly upon just trespassing, but you can potentially dodge their attacks. 9) Use a Wall Bypasser. Instant teleport two blocks in front of you. It's like a cheat code but it's an item the game throws at you somewhat often. 10) Some buildings have computers which can be used to open doors among other things; Hackers can do this at a dinstance There might even be more that I've forgotten. For most doors about half of these techniques are viable, and in the worst case scenario, a bank vault, you still have a good handful of options. Now, even a hardcore ImSim doesn't _need_ that many options on every or the most standard obstacle to be an ImSim, but I chose Streets of Rogue because specifically it passes the locked door test so amazingly well. So with all that in mind, how many options does Messiah give you on a standard obstacle?

[@kenelt]

i have never understood why people keep saying install prey in SSD. i play it in a mechanical disk and got 10 seconds loading times at most in the epic version. that might have been true on lauch but i never have that problem and my isnt exactly new hardware.

[@acuteaura]

"Dishonored is a lot more linear than Human Revolution" did we play the same games?

[@dusanrakic5955]

Shadows of doubt is great fun. Tho the game needs more work, falling through the map, corrupt save files and jank keep me away from it for now, but i will return to it when it is ironed out

[@CharlatanWonder]

ooh yeah, I'm hyped for the city customization update! I did a video on it a while back when it first launched but I'm holding off until the 1.0 release to cover it again.

[@chrismeandyou]

@@CharlatanWonder I thought I learned my lesson with paying for Steam Early Access, but after years of not messing with EA I bought Shadows of Doubt because I support the more unique kind of fun they are making that I can't get elsewhere. The Sherlock kind of detective games are junk to me.

[@america2793]

Not having project zomboid is A crime

[@rorysimpson8716]

I love Imsims, as you put it, but my one gripe in all of them is every choice comes down to "combat" or "boring". You always get the s**t ending for combat, and the good one for boring. Thanks for mentioning EYE Divine Cybermancy, BTW. I've been playing that game for years and I still have no clue as to what the hell is going on in it.

[@jasonfenton8250]

Immersive sim guide 😃 No mention of Ultima Underworld 😔

[@blob643]

Becareful with EYE, to this day, Mandaloregaming can't escape his cycle of guilt

[@Jwpolk2]

I have played every game that could be even vaguely considered an imsim, but still going to enjoy the hell out of this video. :D

[@terminalSloth]

Does cataclysm dark days ahead count as a IS? Is more of a sandbox roguelike but you also have many ways to deal with the few missions that are in the game and just with enemies in general, you have mutations systems, bionic implants, robot hacking, spell casting, psionic habilities (with some oficial mods mind you, the controls and visuals can be rough for people not used to classic roguelikes but it scratch the immersive sim itch for me

[@jeffreymurray1990]

Can we give it up for that outro song??? Kevin MacLeod casually whipping out a banger. Also, I the message in the outro. 🫡

[@saschaberger3212]

How did I not know about the Malkavian mod for Deus Ex? This will be fun :D

[@klausklebstoff8240]

Typhon? Don't you mean System Shock 3?

[@perryborn2777]

Loved the video, as I do all your videos (I actually made the pizza bread from your last video for dnd night, very good) Something popped into my head that would not let me sleep. Have you heard of a game called Seven: The Days Long Gone? Idk if it would exactly be considered an immersive sim. It's a bit more open-ended than dishonored at the very least. Anyway, that game is a blast, but I never see anyone talk about it! It's absolutely gorgeous, and the gameplay is a real wild ride. I remember once playing as a parkour wrestler. I had unlocked some special grapple abilities that let me just fling enemies around like crazy, but it required some real precision I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on the game

[@ChapyGuy]

It feels a little silly to keep calling the game Typhon when you immediately have to call it Prey 2017 right after. I feel like it's happened in almost every video lately.

[@smilemore7431]

The only game I’ve played on this list is cruelty squad and I beat trauma loop twice. I don’t know what’s wrong with me but I still play it.

[@thomasnelon5422]

The algorithm gods have blessed me. A Charlatan Wonder video. 🙌🏻

[@Makron5]

I think my first imsim was Deus Ex. I'm old and that game was a GOAT game if you were a PC gamer.

[@dannyruggles7020]

I would argue Skyrim or Fallout is a great starting point for someone wanting to get into immersive sims. I know its not typically put in that category, but they are VERY close. The only difference really is in objective completion, where Bethesda games can have multiple 'approaches', the objective is always the same, grab the thing or kill the guy. But other than that, you still get to learn the joy of non-linear environments, forging your own gameplay style, and experimenting with different mechanics like stealth.

[@FlyingSpaceOstrich]

I’ve been wanting to play EYE Divine Cybermancy for years. Just last week I finished my first play through in about 12 hours, without much knowledge of immersive sims. I think because I enjoyed the game so much, I wanted to keep playing, despite how difficult it became. My point is, if you really want to try a game out, even if it’s considered ‘advanced’, just do it. It’s worth it.

[@TheBreadB]

You mispronounced the word “niche”

[@cookieface80]

The word niche has multiple commonly accepted pronunciations.

[@Rizzmaster9001]

i dont understand why people keep labelling cruelty squad as an immersive sim. I love the game, sure it has open maps. But its a simple FPS compared to the other mentioned games.

[@tamara4563]

So. . . I've played most of these and IMO your order isnt something I'll entirely agree with but I still would agree with EYE. One of my biggest problems with it though is just actually getting the game to run on a modern system. It bricks computers.

[@yurikadry4721]

Got a really weird situation, while you were talking about the first game on the advanced list, I thought to myself "Cruelty squad is considered a Immersive Sim?" then I went to google, didn't find anything about it on a surface level, came back to the video and you immediately started talking about it.

[@ReasonbyNight]

How would you rank "Ready or Not"? Borderline? Since its FPS its highly immersive and it really feels like a SWAT Sim and not just a shooter.

[@alihall4208]

I really don’t mind jank and wanted to love EYE, but the utterly bizarre and nonsensical UI, world hub, and notably insane enemy AI where they just aimbot you on commas with crazy spawn rates put me off.

[@1101YANK1011]

"Immersive sims"... names out some of the greatest sci-fi power fantasies in media. I don't know what type of life you're living, but if these games are feeling like accurate simulations of your type of life, why are you playing games too, and please, share more.

[@mileswoolaway2138]

Dishonoured is a gorgeous and atmospheric game that is brain dead easy and boring. Human revolution's story is fine with a crushingly boring ending. Death loop is abysmal in most ways.

[@keltarinewup2695]

The funniest thing that my friends and I thought that E.Y.E is a cool game with a very interesting vertical gameplay, on sursa uh, then I with durgon could not even guess how many hours of hell different builds and incredibly incomprehensible gameplay to survive the first sim was passed almost without guides, as we ourselves realized that the game plans to throw us on the 2nd round and then we passed 3 times and until we realized that already got the truth of the ending was cool!

[@GargeBeatnik]

Watching this video taught me that apparently I have weird tastes in games. I've only played Dishonored and Cruelty Squad...woops

[@vmattos19]

I didnt care for immersive sims at all before Dishonored. Then it became my favourite game I just dont understand why people keep saying the word "stealth", I dont know what that means

[@Kevin-tr6js]

You mentioned some old games I've never heard of. Those look more hardcore than I have patience for these days but I'll at least check them out on youtube. Thanks for the curated list of games from my favorite genre!

[@desiredriving]

i really dont know how many times I've finished EYE now, i think it's somewhere around 20. i really should try out other imsims.

[@RedshirtAfficionado]

Lmao “deus ex human revolution” barely qualifies as an immersive sim. Jt constantly taunts you with multiple potential solutions but never delivers

[@Mingodough]

Can you make “what is an immersive sim” video? If you have already I tried searching it and didn’t find it. I can get a general grasp of what you think is an immersive sim but then you say another game like baulder’s gate 3 is an immersive sim when it’s more of a crpg in my mind. (Though I guess it has some elements of immersive sim but I still want to know what’s going on in that head)

[@Mingodough]

Never mind, adhd mind didn’t comment after watching lol. But idk sometimes it sounds like sometimes it’s an fps, but you describe them like puzzle games, and also sometimes rpg elements. But they’re not those things? So confusing, games seem good but damn someone needs to define it

[@jimmy21584]

Don’t forget the DLC. I loved Prey, but Mooncrash took it and blew my mind on a whole other level.

[@vincentkalman4572]

Maybe the true meaning of immersive sim is the friends we made along the way, whose unconscious bodies we stuffed into ventilation ducts

[@doodsalot270]

"If you got through the last 9 games you can try EYE but you will need a guide" *went into EYE as my first immsim blind*

[@evanhanke3396]

Eye is cool but the AI is really bad. Once you get found all enemies know where you are and will continually spawn and run at you

[@devanmauch7843]

I dived into the deep end and played deus ex and I can't go back to other games now lol, except for dark souls.

[@styxriverr5237]

Me learning Eye is advanced box stacking.... Also me: first Imp sim I played. The Cycles of guilt will never end. I should play it again.

[@SolarShado]

I played some of EYE *years* ago. I think it was one of the first dozen or so games I bought on steam. Bounced off pretty hard after a couple of levels... I forget if it was a difficulty spike or just frustration/boredom with the numerous, poorly explained systems. Been meaning to give it another shot after watching a few YT vids about it though...

[@ThisHandleIsDefinatelyTaken]

I got bounced off by E.Y.E really bad, but that was a decade ago, so maybe I'm ready to to try again.

[@elviskleber10]

Charl are you excited to be asked everyday for the next 10 years if GTA 6 is an immersive sim

[@theknifesong]

Kingdom Come Deliverance is the second coming, can't wait for the sequal