THE BEST BATMAN SEQUEL

Following the legendary Batman The Animated Series and The New Batman Adventures is no easy task --
But Batman Beyond managed to do the unthinkable.
Today we take a look back at the Batman Of The Future , Terry McGinnis.
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[@toganium4175]

A lot of people overlook this show because of Batman: The Animated Series and the Batman Beyond movie, but the series itself is still good.

[@JohnDoe-qy5eu]

Ngl I loved Batman beyond more than Batman the animated series

[@KingKhupacabra]

@@JohnDoe-qy5eu same

[@ne3856]

@@JohnDoe-qy5eu I mean, that's debatable. Batman Beyond is amazing but saying it's better then BTAS is a bit of a stretch. Also, To Infinity and Batman Beyond!

[@JohnDoe-qy5eu]

@@ne3856 I didn’t say it’s “better”, I said I loved it more and my reason is because I grew up with Batman beyond and justice league and not Batman the animated series, I do like btas but I love beyond more it’s my opinion.

[@ne3856]

@@JohnDoe-qy5eu Right. Got ya.

[@LiveForFuntasy]

The Static Shock crossover with Batman Beyond said that it was 40 years in the future.

[@millythompsonfromtrigun98anime]

I wish Blight was around more because he would definitely be Terry’s nemesis. To infinity and Batman Beyond

[@wisconsinking323]

I heard I showed up a couple times in the tie in comics.

[@courier4289]

@@wisconsinking323 and Grayson actual appeared in the comics too

[@wisconsinking323]

@@courier4289 I heard that too.

[@captainbeastwinger4940]

@@wisconsinking323 yeah but those aren't canon and the 2016 are in a different universe

[@wisconsinking323]

@@captainbeastwinger4940 Wow that's disappointing.

[@shinkaiatsuya950]

Even with the whole Epilogue, I still see it as Terry being his own person. Just cause you share the same DNA doesn't mean you'll end up a one for one copy. You will still have your own experiences and way of thinking. All it really means is you might have a better body physique. Kinda like how Stephanie dad is Cluemaster, but she became a hero rather than a villain. DNA only takes you so far. Also would explain how both Terry and Matthew have black hair but parents are clear gingers, was bound to be a twist that or gene pool of the family is not in favor of gingers. Edit: To infinity and Batman Beyond.

[@mr.protagonist5639]

Yeah I agree also the concept of everyone can be batman is by itself wrong. Bruce has immense amounts of money and time something most people don't have. He also has immense amounts of training and an incorruptible moral code which would be hard to find.Terry was a very different Batman and it had nothing to do with his birth epilogue proved that if anything. Yes he was born Bruce's son, no he wasn't destined to be batman. He chose to put on the suit despite bruce himself saying no. Also I don't like his conclusion that him being Bruce's son invalidates his entirely different personality.

[@shinkaiatsuya950]

​@@mr.protagonist5639 If one had to compare Terry is a perfect combination of Batman and Spiderman. Also this statement of people comparing Terry to Bruce, being a copy is exactly how Terry felt in epilogue, and sort of Amanda assured him differently being a different person than Bruce.

[@michaelharmon8960]

In some continuity’s tarry and Damian Wayne are the same person and in the brave and the bold tv show Damian is the son of Bruce and catwomen witch is ironic because 1. In the story arc where Batman proposed to catwomen. In a side story Damian asks catwomen sarcastically so now that you and father are getting married should I start calling you mother and 2. Damian Wayne and tarry maginus are both genetically engineered by secret organizations to replace Batman

[@michaelharmon8960]

Yeah he’s right eny one can be Batman all you need is billions of dollars 2 decades of martial arts and forensic science training several degrees in in advanced auto and military grade weaponry you know all things that normal people have 😂😂😂

[@shinkaiatsuya950]

harmony don't forget a tragic backstory that shakes your world upside and drives you on a mission to get rid of crime.

[@jeepamir508]

7:28 - there was a good quote from Terry in the Series "Sometimes I think is Batman really just a suit or he is the man inside?" And that happened when the batsuit was occupied and Terry had to fight it. Alone. Just wearing a mask of Robin as a disguise. Terry Is Batman. And the best heir Bruce could have ever had.

[@noahkim7617]

When characters like Dick or Damian become Batman it feels temporary, and I know Bruce is gonna come back one way or the other. But Terry actually felt like a new Batman. I loved the Batman Beyond show and yes it wasn't the BTAS and it had its flaws (the weak villains) but it still was an amazing sequel. And about the clone thing in JLU, I agree that they kinda wrecked the mentor-mentee relationship between Bruce and Terry just for a little bit of conflict in a single episode, but due to Epilogue being the awesome story that it is I think I don't really mind that much.

[@nymetsfan9121]

The twist in justice league unlimited doesn’t bother me as much as what they revealed in the Batman beyond comic between Bruce barbera and dick Grayson

[@NXS09848]

Yeah that was just messed up....

[@lorddude123]

That dynamic was also in batman beyond

[@nymetsfan9121]

@@lorddude123 yeah they hinted that Bruce and Barbara had dated. But the actual details of what happened was messed up.

[@NewCanada]

@@nymetsfan9121 I know that Bruce Tim has a real hardon for Batman and Batgirl pairings. It was even shoehorned in The Killing Joke movie. He really needs to stop doing that.

[@guillermosierracuellar9812]

Howard to his robot girlfriend: can we just be friends Terry: ohhh he is doomed

[@SpaceandGoats]

I want to point out that Bruce in the intro to the show is 20 years older than Justice League's Bruce. Thats where the twenty year gap comes from. The show with Terry takes place twenty years after Bruce retires

[@johnappleton3446]

I didn’t mind when I found out as a kid about the terry-bruce reveal. But that was mainly because I wondered why terry looked like a young bruce, even with blue eyes. Now that im older and working on my own series, I definitely get what you mean. Terry earned his place as batman, and maybe him being bruce’s clone/son was supposed to be from the start, but the story they were trying to tell didn’t support that. Love your content man, you’ve reignited my love for batman. To infinity and batman beyond.

[@OurKindofEntertainment]

IMO Season 2 was the BEST season of the show because it actually felt like Terry's story without being overshadowed with fan favorite episodes featuring Bruce's old (literally) rogues going against the new Batman. Sure, it kinda felt like Danny Phantom or the Spectacular Spider-Man where a high school hero went up against villains. However, I think it really helped Terry standout even more than him going against a Mr. Freeze or Ra's Al Ghul

[@THEBATMAN_396]

I preferred season 1 the best because it had a main central plot and blight was basically Terry's joker

[@anrick1362]

I’d have to choose season 1 as the best. Season 2 while having a lot of good episodes, also had a lot of really “empty” episodes. When it came to the villains, the themes and the dynamics between Bruce and Terry, it just didn’t have as much depth as season 1. It was while rewatching season 2 that I realized Batman Beyond as a whole can be pretty style over substance at times.

[@wesstewart2677]

Batman beyond finished it’s an entire run before Danny Phantom aired. Also Terry rarely fought Bruce’s old foes. Mr. Freeze in season one, the return of the joker movie, which takes place after season 2, and Ra’s appearance which was season 3. Bane made a cameo appearance. Terry fought his own foes mainly: Blight, Stalker, Shriek, Spellbinder, The Royal Flush Gang, the terrific trio for an episode, Curare, Mad Stan, and more.

[@ComicBooksandVideoGameNerd96]

It was also the Longest season

[@t-boy1gamer137]

It's hilarious because the dude said Batman became a bitter old man 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@teeemtee5739]

The opening is still an absolute banger

[@fr7188]

That "Earth Mover" episode scared the shit out of me as a kid

[@MariuigiKhed]

Title: "THE BEST BATMAN SEQUEL SERIES " Isn't there just ONE Batman sequel (TV) series, tho?

[@randallflagg3700]

Well, Justice League (and later Justice League:Unlimited) was a sequel to both Batman: TAS & Superman:TAS. And of course, I guess it depends is you consider *The New Batman Adventures* to be a sequel, or simply to be "season 3 of *Batman:TAS* with a revamp" ...

[@EatWave]

Birds of Prey also technically was a sequel series but it does not specify whether it is following up the comics or the movie series of the time.

[@MariuigiKhed]

@@EatWave oh, right. I was sure that there was something missing

[@AudraBurgess]

When Batman Beyond originally aired in the 90s, i hated it. I didn't like that Bruce Wayne wasn't Batman anymore. It was only when I watched it again in the 2000s did i start to appreciate it. Edit: okay so if Terry is Bruce's son through his dad's altered DNA does that mean his little brother is also Bruce Wayne's son? And they also revealed that Terry is still somehow biologically related to his dad. Like what? Justice League Unlimited's plot lines got really convoluted and weird. I wasn't a fan. 😅

[@Leftturnaddict]

Awesome and I love tmnt especially the 2003 version

[@AudraBurgess]

@@Leftturnaddict me too. It's the perfect adaptation from the mirage comic books imo

[@boxingbull523]

I wasn't a fan of that either, it also gets rid of Terrys choice to become Batman. Then it's just he was gonna be batman no matter what also I agree it made no sense.

[@AudraBurgess]

@@boxingbull523 I think towards the end of Justice League they were running out of ideas. By that point the plot lines became confusing and I lost interest.

[@boxingbull523]

@@AudraBurgess true that. They were just trying to put some crazy story to keep people interested.

[@Batman-st4hq]

I know why some people don't like the fact that Bruce is genetically Terry's dad, but I don't mind it. I mean if Terry grew up with Bruce being somewhat an uncle to him, spending a lot of time with Bruce, then becoming Batman later to find out Bruce is genetically his dad then yes I would hate it. But there was all this set up to Terry being a copy of Bruce, but wasn't. His parents didn't die, they weren't rich, and even got divorced. Terry even became a street kid, part of gangs, and went to juvy, and wasn't as intelligent as Bruce was. Not calling him stupid, just not intelligent like Bruce was, but more intelligent in other ways from growing up more on the streets. Then it was Terry's choice to become Batman and continue to be Batman, not because of genetics but because he wanted to be. I mean the whole episode of Terry finding out Bruce is genetically his dad he was pissed mirroring how people like you feel about this change. But I think the episode does a good job on showing and explaining that this doesn't change anything because Terry is still Terry and not a Bruce clone. He still went through normal hardships ordinary people could go through, like divorced parents and street life, unlike Bruce who had money and parents, until they died. Also, I my mind Bruce still isn't his actual biological dad, just genetically dad because of what Waller did, just what I feel about it. I do see your frustration with it, but I see it as just because they're biological similar doesn't mean Terry would always become Batman. Becasue his child hood clearly saw him going in a different way but Terry decided to do better, not because of genetics but because he wanted to. Just how I see it

[@havewissmart9602]

The episode does tackle it but my question is.... What does it add? Making Terry Bruce's son changes absolutely nothing. If there was no relation between them, the story feels better. Ur appreciation of the story can only go down or stay where it was. Nothing about making Terry Bruce's son is positive

[@francoperalta5986]

@@havewissmart9602 If it doesn't change anything, than it doesn't rob Terry of anything anything either. Though it does raise a question in Matt. Both he and his brother Matt have black hair where both his parents have red hair. Is Matt also have Bruces genes?

[@justinbryan6249]

@@francoperalta5986 Well Warren McGinnis' reproductive DNA was changed to be an exact copy of Bruce's. So every time he would get his wife pregnant, the child would always be Bruce's and not Warren's.

[@Youlleyeseas]

@@havewissmart9602 You are watching the episode as a part of Batman Beyond, but it´s part of Justice League unlimited. It´s good that it doesn´t add or take anything from Terry because the story is supposed to be Amanda Waller´s redemption story... and it works more like that than a Batman Beyond secret origins story.

[@andyrihn1]

@@havewissmart9602 I think that it does add to Terry by showing how he is so much his own man, his own Batman, that even though he was initially planned to be a Bruce 2.0 to the point that Waller screwed with an innocent family’s genetics to make it so, he’s still independent, he chose everything for himself, and is completely different person

[@beavers1978]

If Bruce was in his 60's in BTAS original run, that makes him sleeping with Barbara Gordon even WORSE than it already was. Obviously he wasn't in his 60's, but very jarring to think about.

[@emma.steppp8485]

i think the video creator got things mixed up here. iirc, the first scene where bruce pulls a gun on a criminal is 20 years in the future but after that scene more time passes. so in BTAS bruce is in his 40s, in the first scene of BB he’s in his 60s and in the majority of BB he’s in his 80s

[@dvt1393]

@@emma.steppp8485 Ahh, okay, that makes much more sense! I was super confused with what Vee was saying, so thanks for clearing that up.

[@guillermosierracuellar9812]

Terry: mom, Matt, i'm batman Mom&Matt: hahaha

[@brick816]

I feel like the outrage we saw with how WB handled the '89 Batman fan game would be even worse if it were Batman Beyond. Either way, I hope we get Batman Beyond in a video game eventually. Edit: Forgot to say, good video. Makes me want to watch that amazing Return of the Joker movie.

[@turtleshock7513]

For the record Terry McGinnis is not a clone biologically his is Bruce Wayne son there are some similarities but more than a few differences he doesn’t have a brain but he does have his heart

[@anrick1362]

Ok, Amanda

[@AudraBurgess]

And yet somehow he still also biologically his dad's son which was something I didn't understand lol

[@Henderson10666]

I loved this show growing up. this bat suit is quite possibly my absolute favorite. I'd love to see Beyond as a live action film but sadly we'll never get it

[@wisconsinking323]

The are rumors that the Flash could set up a Batman Beyond movie with Michael Keaton as old Bruce Wayne.

[@boyroy4u]

I dont think this version would translate well into live action tbh, like with their tech and stuff, the animation style is just more successful. I think the gothicness would feel cheesy in live action too hahahah

[@dvt1393]

@@wisconsinking323 I'm not sure how I feel about that. On the one hand, Keaton would totally own the role of Old Man Bruce. So, I'd absolutely love to see that. But, I'm not sure if the story would translate well to live action. And, unfortunately, I doubt that they would use the character of Terry. Who is who I would want to see in live action.

[@samueljones3668]

@@boyroy4u People said the same about Deadpool and Spider-Man we got both with cg animated eyes. Even if we don't get the mouth we would have extremely expressive eyes thats apart of Terrys Batman. The only reason we got a mouth in the show was to see him speak, practically speaking having a mouth over a mask makes no fucking sense.

[@ashleytuchin7693]

I would definitely love some more Batman Beyond content! You've got to admire how the creative team took a stupid studio mandate for a teen Batman show, and turned it into something truly amazing. To infinity and Batman Beyond!

[@jeepamir508]

14:35 - wrong. Should that be true, then Terry would have become Batman according to Amanda's plan. But Phantasm refused to kill his parents, cause that's not what Bruce would want or do. The fact that Terry became Batman was completely by accident.

[@callumwarren3342]

Good ol Andrea.

[@jbcatz5]

Terry is in personality, method and civilian life very different from Bruce, he’s not Bruce 2.0. As a high school student with a social life he has commitments that his Batman side comes at the expense of, like Peter Parker and Spider-Man. Terry also doesn’t have the cynicism that Bruce does, nor the personal history with some of the returning rogues so he can see the best in figures like Freeze or get a fresh reading on Joker.

[@jeepamir508]

@@jbcatz5, true words

[@connorharnage6697]

I didn't mind what happened in Epilogue. The plan only went halfway but due to the Phantasm's refusal to kill his parents. By all accounts, Terry still earned his victories

[@C0ldIron]

That and it fits as one of the dick moves Waller is known for. Honestly have hated her more then any villain.

[@UnrealNeoBat]

I actually really the villains in this show. They are more closely inspired by Spider-man villains.

[@professorg-smooth2873]

I didn't mind Bruce being his Dad. The story could've been much worse. I know Bruce Tim had to create a show about a Teenage Batman and I was happy they tried to give Terry a proper finale. How it was done was wierd but Cadmus could pull it off. Let's not forget Superboy. No one's questioning that hes the baby of Superman and Lex Luthor.

[@danielcoffman1022]

I love the fact that Terry is Bruce’s son. Lineage is not nothing. It explains how Terry is like Bruce. He isn’t a clone. Genetic behavior is a real thing; look it up. It helps explain why Terry was still Batman in the future and why the rest of Bruce’s team members are not. Not anyone could be a Batman. I don’t mean because of his money or anything like that. It’s his brain and his love for his fellow man. Batman’s allies did it for the fun of it. They did it because they had a chip on their shoulder. They did it for selfish reasons. It was Bruce’s love for people that kept him going. It was said, and shown, in the show they Terry didn’t become Batman out of some want. He did it because he felt it was is responsibility. The same responsibility that Bruce had. He was smart like Bruce. He was caring like Bruce. He was willing to sacrifice like Bruce. Yes, these traits can be found in a random person; but it only works with Terry and Bruce because they are alike enough to where those traits are perfectly balanced. That is why I like that Terry is Bruce’s son. Plus, the show hints at it HEAVILY. Superman hints at it. Ink hints at it. Even Max hints at it. So, the idea is a solid one.

[@PurpleTurtle-t4q]

I remember not even giving a chance to this show when I was a kid, it was only after I played the Arkham Series that I felt nostalgic about the BAS and then finally watched Batman Beyond, and I loved it, this series is just was good as the original animated series, I don't think Terry is as good of a Batman as Bruce Wayne, but he wasn't bad by any means, just different and original in its own way. The only thing I didn't like about it was how he got to be the Batman, he just casually walked into the Batcave and putted on the suit, it was just too easy for some random kid to find this super secret cave purely by chance when literally no one else could, but he also had all of Bruce Wayne's strenght and talent despite not going through the same years of training and dedication as himself or any of the Robins, but even then I must say, I think he gives a far better Batman than anyone else in the Batfamily could be, and the episode where Bruce gets the magic soup that makes him young again and they fight side by side together is one of my favorite pieces of Batman media.

[@andrewcozzini8259]

Okay, so regarding the whole "Epilogue" thing, I'm going to go out on a limb and say I like it. While on paper I agree with all your points (Vee) and would be inclined to agree, I think the episode really worked overtime to justify it. I think the important thing is that Terry wanted to become and was proficient at being Batman long before he knew he was Bruce's son, as he'd been Batman for like 15 years at that point. I also think he wasn't really bred to be Batman, exactly, as Amanda Waller abandoned "Project Batman Beyond" after the Phantasm wouldn't pull the trigger on his parents, which was meant to replicate the trauma Bruce suffered. Thereby, everything that happened after that point you could say was Terry's free will. Even though he has Bruce's genetics that doesn't guarantee that he'll excel in everything his father did; just look at Harry and Norman Osborn. Lastly, what I liked about the execution is that the revelation isn't met with enthusiasm by Terry, but sorrow and regret. While he had stuck with Bruce through so much the idea that his life wasn't his choice nearly made him quit. All to often in these legacy stories recently the protagonist is borderline obsessed with their origins before they even strike out on a heroic journey, just look at Rey in the sequel trilogy. However, Terry (similar to Luke Skywalker) starts on his journey before he knows he is anyone important and is thus not defined by it, as he was a proven hero before the reveal. Hope this helps and/or sheds some new light on it! Keep up the great content!

[@twistedalbert012]

If blight was left in the series after first season i could imagine him as the arch enemy of terry...

[@andrewcozzini8259]

[@andrewcozzini8259]

Also, I can not agree more with you Vee that Terry McGinnis is, without a doubt, my favorite successor/non-Bruce Batman. He is such a great, multi-layered character (played to perfect by Will Friedle) that really earned the right to be Batman, genetics or no. If I were to sum up Terry in a word it'd have to be: loyal! Especially in a world where every other of his sidekicks left Bruce and had enough of him by a point, Terry sticks with Bruce through thick and thin. Another aspect I always liked about him is how he comes off as something of an old soul in this futuristic setting, as certain of his values seem divergent from a lot of his school contemporaries and make him similar enough to Bruce to be able to relate. I feel like the whole juvi stint Terry did made him grow up younger and gives him a level of maturity/sense of perspective that make him feel psychologically old enough to be bought as Batman. Great character!

[@DonniedrakoE]

Honestly watching batwoman makes me really appreciate this show much. Batman beyond could’ve been another kiddie shoe with no thought. But what makes the series work so well is that terry isn’t supposed to be as good as Bruce what matters is that he’s trying the best he can. Combine that with really cool cyberpunk aesthetic that somehow feels classic and Batman beyond really doesn’t have any right to be this good .

[@scootybooty1363]

I'm pretty indifferent to the 'Bruce is Terry's real dad" twist from JLU, it' s entirely in character for Waller to do something along those lines, I just feel like there's room for it to be explored to make it better than it is. Like if there was to be a new series or comic run then it can elaborate that even though he sharea DNA with Bruce, it's what his father instilled in him before he was killed that made him the man he is, and that even without meeting Bruce, Terry would have likely started the whole crime fighting thing anyway in some form Oh and 'to infinity ans Batman Beyond' etc etc

[@thepoeticbutcher3370]

…….we gotta get you on the writing staff..

[@scootybooty1363]

@@thepoeticbutcher3370 bro I'd give my left tit to write for DC, if for nothing else than to get a good live action Red Hood TV series out there

[@thepoeticbutcher3370]

@@scootybooty1363 … …sounds like you’re ready; just gotta run into the right people…

[@scootybooty1363]

@@thepoeticbutcher3370 why thx dude, and ye that's the hard part xD

[@thewanderingronin5433]

Yeah Terry being Bruce's son, left a bad taste in my mind

[@fanson83]

I absolutely loved Barbara as Commissioner Gordon. This whole animated universe is one of my all-time favorite tv universes! And yeah, Terry being Bruce’s son...NOT CANON!!! To infinity and Batman beyond! 😉

[@Nassit-Gnuoy]

This show was so damn good. I honestly want to see an Arkham Batman Beyond game, but I doubt that’s ever gonna happen now.

[@wisconsinking323]

There WAS going to be a Batman Arkham game loosely based on Batman Beyond, it would've had Damien Wayne taking over as Batman. There would've also been new villains (gorilla grod and new poison ivy) and older versions of past villains. There's videos and concept art of it on KZbin.

[@jbcatz5]

The Beyond villains given the Arkham treatment would be shway, since many are creepy already. The Splicers for example. An Arkham Beyond game could also expand on the villain legacy gangs, with areas of Neo Gotham being controlled by gangs themed on modern Batman villains for variety, and the Court of Owls in the technological Beyond setting is just begging to be told.

[@Slice2099]

Spellbound he’s a great villain also he’s not forgettable he tried to Barbara Gordon to think Terry killed a guy

[@michaelburke7978]

I'm usually not a fan of passing the torch, but I loved Batman Beyond. While Bruce was no longer center stage, he still contributed a lot and would have moments of glory here and there when need be. Seeing him take on Inque in the Bat Armor, or having his youth restored was a treat, even if it was short lived. Such a damn shame this series didn't last a lot longer, and that the Batman Beyond era is pretty much forgotten about. I'm so bored of seeing all these Bruce Wayne movie reboots. I wish they would just give us a Batman Beyond live action movie already. On a side note, I loved the Beyond suit, and Bruce looked badass in it in the pilot episode. Would've been cool to see more of Bruce in the Beyond suit before he called it quits. I hated how they made Terry related to Bruce in that epilogue. They should've kept Terry a nobody; it would've made for an an awesome "Anyone can be Batman" message.

[@JulianWavy]

Loved Batman Beyond, hopefully we can get other animated movie or a game

[@Baki89Mr]

I disagree on the villains part, I like Inque, Spellbainder, Shriek and Blight. And I agree on the Epilogue episode,. I FUCKING hate it.

[@Ro-bu6mo]

I believe it's 20 years later for the very start of Beyond with Bruce in his last years as Batman. Then another 20 years for Terry to start.

[@MegaHeaf]

I think I remember the start of the first episode, Rebirth takes place around 20 years after Batman the animated series. And then during most of the show it is another 20 years after.

[@yashmandla1234]

The show takes place 20 years after bruce retired in his 60s so he is in his 80a but when we see him in the pilot on his last mission hes in his 60s , and that scene takes place 20 years after btas, when bruce is in his 30s too 40s

[@tylerbertram7065]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who who enjoys Batman Beyond, I especially loved Terry I liked that they made him into his character instead of making him a clone of Bruce Wayne, he is probably one of favorite sidekicks aside from Dick Grayson.

[@TheFinalJedi478]

Bruce Wayne retired in 2019, the show takes place 20 years later in 2039

[@MariuigiKhed]

I agree on you about "Everyone can be Batman despite not having blood lineage to Bruce". But they already planned that Terry was Bruce son. Reflect: Terry's parents' hairs are red... Terry and his bro have BLACK hair like Bruce's. Then the personality, the fighting skill, the need to help people in difficulty. They were already father and son long before the reveal.

[@zachminder8084]

Finally, someone is giving Batman Beyond some credit. I fucking love Batman Beyond!

[@geardog24]

Thank you for pointing out how stupid it was to make Terry a semi clone of Bruce. It felt like the writers just wanted to give Batman an actual son, before Damien appeared.

[@MegaMagicdog]

I remember when the show was announced and it WAS confirmed that the show took place 40 years after the events of BTAS. Bruce was supposed to be in the 80s. Why Bruce Timm started to backtrack on this is beyond me. As for the DNA reveal, I agree it wasn't my favorite plot twist, but at least there was a feeble explanation for it. It seems that TPTB thought it odd that two light haired parents produced two dark haired sons (yes, Terry's brother was also Bruce's biological son) so they decided to have the DNA change to better explain it. Of course this lead to speculation that the McGuinness' marriage dissolved because Terry's dad suspected infidelity!! Personally, I was glad that Barbara was spared from being Oracle here, as I never liked making her shooting and paralyzing cannon (initially, it was supposed to be a one off story, but some do-gooders wanted to make her a heroine of the disabled). I was also disappointed we didn't get to see what became of Nightwing/Dick Grayson in this universe, or see him try to mend fences with Bruce.

[@andrewcozzini8259]

Can I just take this moment to point out how much Vee often sounds a lot like Will Friedle?! I'm just saying, I'm sure the man can do a mean Terry McGinnis!

[@lawpreacher2000]

You know what was worse then Terry being Bruce 2.0. The episode where they hinted Terry was actually (get this) Bruce and Barbara's son

[@noahhobson4521]

All of the old characters they brought back were done brilliantly. Bane as a strung-out wreck of a man from his decades of magic steroid abuse. The tragedy of Mr. Freeze's second chance getting stolen from him like that, and his redemption at the end of the episode was great storytelling. I also loved the episode with Superman and I would have loved to have known more about how Clark's life went. And best of all was the episode with Ra's al Ghul, where his actions were both monstrous and completely in character. The only one of the new villains I really liked was Inque, and she was really just a second rate Clayface. One thing they sort of hinted at in the first season and that the creators have confirmed is that Bruce had lost most of his fortune in the time between BtAS and Beyond. And I'd always had the opinion that it was mostly because he'd just stopped caring about anything once he couldn't be Batman anymore. And that was definitely in character from Bruce. He's tied so much of his identity into being Batman that without it he felt he was nothing. Best illustrated in the episode where the villain tried gaslighting him and Terry asked him how he knew it was fake. Bruce said, "The voice kept calling me Bruce. In my head, that's not what I call myself."

[@Bro_wat]

I honestly wish blight made a return to the series since he was in essence Terry's Joker. He was a villain that was closely related to and created by Terry. He had a lot of potential and his "death" wasn't truly confirmed, and maybe he would've come back if the series wasn't cancelled.

[@zacky4204]

The only thing about this show that was lacking was some of the villains but its a good show wish we could of saw some more memorable villains

[@MoostachedSaiyanPrince]

13:00 - Honestly, other than the logistical loopholes that you'd have to leap through to make this happen, I don't mind this change to Terry. Like, it's ultimately Terry that chose to be Batman even with his origins retconned like this. He easily could've just gone further down the bad kid path in life because with his talents, he could've become Gotham's most unstoppable crime lord. But he chose to do the right thing, and by choosing to do it his own way, it makes the differences between him and Bruce stand out even more. He didn't beat Joker by beating him up or outsmarting him like Bruce always did, he did it by getting into his head and tormenting him in a way no one else ever had. Side note, wouldn't this retcon to Terry make Bruce Wayne the biological father to Terry's little brother as well? To infinity and Batman Beyond.

[@piyakhebisonii1001]

He has a great rouges gallery! And he is not perfect! That's why I like Terry over Bruce!

[@callumsparrow4379]

As much as I and everyone else utterly adores BTAS, I’ve honestly gotta say that Batman Beyond is not only my favourite DC animated show, but I’d argue that it’s the most consistent DC show (animation or otherwise, and at least of what I’ve seen) in terms of overall quality.

[@baliyae]

I LOVED Batman: Beyond! It was awesome! The animation was gorgeous, it had a great story, and I enjoyed tuning in and seeing what villain Terry would be facing that week. Kevin Conroy and Will Friedel (Eric Matthews from Boy Meets World) had a great dynamic.

[@CarvedDaWarped]

Loved Batman Beyond since day 1. To infinity and Batman Beyond indeedo.

[@joshfactor1]

dude, seriously, i've always said ace is underrated so it's good to see him finally getting his due

[@adamfreddo5703]

What happened to that guy in the "Earth Mover" episode... it's borderline disturbing what happens in terms of the antagonist's backstory. That balance of being scary on a traumatic level but also sad in just how it sucked for that dude. Like damn.

[@AFZ6767]

Technically Terry isnt a clone, he's a surrogate son, but biologically. He still got 1/2 his mom's DNA. He's about as much of Bruce clone as Damien Wayne. TBH they need to bring this show back. the Timm-Verse is the absolute pinnacle of episodic DC animated TV shows

[@Styleshift88]

I was ok with the big reveal about Terry. I always thought he looked nothing like Warren when I was a kid. I think the bad part of the decision is that they made such a controversial reveal and did not give the viewer time to process it before ending the series.

[@Edras03]

The whole point of the Justice League episode was that it was still up to Terry to choose to become Batman. Amanda Waller said "You may not have Bruce's genius, but you have his heart." Implying that as much as she tried she could not force the creation of a new Batman, only time and chance would lead to that creation.

[@dj2k460]

I think Damien Wayne would’ve made an excellent villian for Terrys Batman, you could set him up as the new death stroke and have him take over the league if assassins and if he needs an eye missing say Bruce took his eye in one of their final battles the idea of the blood son vs the adopted son for the soul of Gotham would be awesome

[@ccghidorah1]

The Bruce-Terry DNA connection always felt like it robbed Terry's accomplishments and agecny away from him.

[@lydz7451]

I honestly loved Batman Beyond! I never actually had the chance to finish the series though. I think I need to go back to it and finish it. Thank you Vee for the reminder 🤗

[@boxingbull523]

Great show!

[@mavman3719]

I agree! I think some villains are actually interesting though! Like Shriek, Inque, and Spellbinder? They’re cool! Just need more time to develop. But the clone thing did suck. Especially when it’s continued into the comics and we find out what happened to Damian, but there’s that weird underlying dynamic that we’re not sure if Terry is Bruce’s clone. Idk it just mucks it up.

[@randallflagg3700]

There 2 canon stuff from Beyond that I choose to ignore are, well, Terry being a Bruce clone, and of course that confirmation that Bruce and Barbara banged while she was with Dick Grayson. Aside from that, fantastic show, that gave birth to a _fantastic_ spin-off, *The Zeta Project* \o/ (from Batman Beyond* season 2 episode 20, *Zeta* , one of my favorite episodes of the entire show...) Please, please make a video about the Zeta Project! Only 2 seasons long, but forever in my heart... #ToInfinityAndBatmanBeyond

[@dylanlewis5113]

I actually like the Epilogue reveal. It showcases how both nature (genetics) and nurture (upbringing and experiences) make us who we are. Waller goes through all this trouble to try to recreate Bruce Wayne. Finding a couple with similar psych profiles to Thomas and Martha, giving the father Bat-sperm, arranging for the Phantasm to kill the parents in a recreation of the Wayne murders. Yet it fails, because Andrea respects (possibly loves) Bruce too much to do that to another kid. So, Terry grows up with a completely different childhood from Bruce. His parents are alive, he has a brother, his parents divorce, Terry falls in with a bad crowd and becomes a gang member for a time. He's about as far removed from being Bruce Wayne that he could be. Terry is his own person, shaped by his upbringing and life experiences. Bruce Wayne might be his Father, but Warren McGinnis is his Dad. Terry McGinnis didn't become Bruce Wayne, but he did become Batman.

[@khaledyassin718]

I mean for me, it's still is chance. Yes Waller established batman DNA etc. But we later find out that she abandoned the project entirely cuz creating a batman was the most difficult thing she could do. The fact that Terry stumbled across Wayne manor wasn't something that Waller planned on. It happened by chance. you can call it destiny if u like but I'm still going to see that as pure chance

[@nerdcastproductions5778]

I really love your channel, but I think your missing the point of epilogue. The whole episode was about free will, and being able to pick your own destiny. And that is one of the main themes of JLU. "You know the lord has been a great comfort to me over the years. Like the good book says he moves in mysterious ways, his plan is a mystery. But here is what isn't, he gave us free will. We choose our own fate! For good or ill. I have known Bruce Wayne for over fifty years and I've been keeping an eye on you your whole life, and your not Bruce's clone. Your his son! And for all that fierce exterior I have never met anyone who cared as deeply about his fellow man as Bruce Wayne, except maybe you. You want to have a li'l better life then the old man's? Then take care of the people who love you. Or dont, it's your choice." - Amanda Waller Even though Terry was engendered to be Batman, he chose to. Because he is a herioc person, because of the character growth he went through throughout his show. That is why Epilogue is tied with Starcrossed, as my favorite DCAU episode.

[@kenrickbautista6141]

I absolutely love 'Batman Beyond'! One of the coolest shows ever made. My biggest beef with the show is that they made Terry McGinnis the long-lost son of Bruce Wayne. They really could've just made him his own character instead of just... you know.

[@eliasbouchard6926]

I agree completely.

[@wisconsinking323]

I agree but to be fair the bloodline (or chosen one) cliche/trope wasn't overused back then, now it seems like every movie or TV series there's always a bloodline (or chosen one) story arc/plot twist.

[@barrydelight]

He's a clone.

[@rayegincho]

Really, the whole point of epilogue is that his Genes didn't matter, waller says herself that all it did was give him good looks. You don't just inherit a personality through cloning, he and Bruce are still very much different people, and he was very much his own batman. In the end I think it added another layer to Terry and who he is.

[@KingKhupacabra]

I watched batman beyond more than btas coz it aired more on my tv. I love the show and the movie. DC FOR LIFE

[@SolomonTheSoloOneDy]

I wish it had just 1 more season. I kinda wish they did a villain team-up with Inque and the group Kobra like they find out who Batman is and nearly end him. Only The Joker know who both Batmans were, but Inque and Kobra came really close.

[@nightwawksleepaid2523]

I agree that making Terry the son of Batman dose kinda feel like a sellout but in the episode it also pointed out one of the most important differences between Bruce and Terry , which is that Bruce was driven by trauma were Terry was not, drawing a greater contrast between them proving that it's not the DNA that matters but the man

[@Knightfall-Batman]

I actually kind of like the epilogue story in JLU. I mean think about it. His parents were both redheads, yet him and his brother Matt had black hair. That makes no sense to me. Unless they decided to dye their hair which I doubt their parents would let them do. There are some similarities to Terry and Bruce, but there are a lot more differences. For example, Bruce never settle down and started a family after a while. He could never bring himself to do it. Everyone that ever loved him just left because he wouldn’t let them in completely. However, Terry in letting his love ones in to his life while he is Batman. He knew he was taking a big chance when he did so, but he took it. Also, I think it’s nice that we find out that Terry is going to pop the question to Dana and they’re going to have a family. So personally I was really kind of hoping for Terry X max. They measure in the behind the scenes in the Blu-ray box sad, and I think it would’ve worked out

[@MariuigiKhed]

1:54 WHAT? No, they always stated "50 years after". Well, it STARTS 20 years after BTAS, the scene where Bruce gives up on being Batman.

[@Ghost7065]

Pretty sure it's both 20 and the 40 (roughly speaking) years later. When we watch the pilot episodes Batman is older and has some gray hair and is struggling to fight crime which leads me to assume it's been some years since the original show roughly 20 years imo. After the opening Bruce now has full on grey hair making it clear a lot more time has passed since the original and is using a cane to walk, personally I would say it has been another 20 year or so later. So imo this show happens many years after the original batman.

[@luciano__565]

Batman Beyond was great, that show was my first Batman cartoon and I loved it, cool video!

[@TheRealNekora]

im 100% with you on the Terry is a clone of bruce thing. it just shits on all of Terrys acomplichments

[@TrenchMan93]

Im alright with terry and his bro matt being batmans kids, but i like the idea they chose to do it not by fate. I like it when characters have a choice and theyd choose it because its the right thing to do. Batman beyond to me is the true son of batman and not the asshole damian.

[@neverstopmovingforwardfitn7277]

The Batman Beyond Movie scared me like it maybe better than Mask of the Phantasm. This series was great its a shame people don't talk about it more. To infinity and Batman Beyond

[@BenGrimm-o1r]

The show starts 20 years in the future. But remember the very first episode in the very first scene, Bruce is wearing the Batman beyond suit and he’s still Batman, but he has heart issues. He was in his 60s at that time. Then the show fast forwards another 20 years , when Terry comes along and becomes Batman.

[@ALLOUTSKATER]

Its funny, always when i look back at how awesome all those shows are, there was always one thing that disgusted me. That Terry had Bruce’s DNA. Glad to see im not alone. To Infinity and Batman Beyond!

[@captainbeastwinger4940]

1:55 no no no The first episode establishes this The opening scene takes place in 2019 when Bruce is in his late 50s early 60s Then we see literally have a title card saying 20 years later That's what they're reffering to

[@DaDualityofMan]

Lol 2019, it's always funny what old shows thought the then future but now past would be like.

[@MCPhatman]

Batman is in his 50s in the prologue of the series when he uses his gun after that the series has another timeskip and then he's in his 80s.

[@Targisvear]

To infinity, and Batman Beyond!

[@BigStevie]

Batman Beyond 4 Life!🔥🌹❤

[@KumiChan2004]

In the comics they did decide to not go with the whole idea of Bruce being Terry's father. I don't mind it either way. I find the appeal of both personally.

[@MagillanicaLouM]

I was too young to catch either show's original run, but old enough to still grow up om both through kid's WB reruns on Saturday mornings lol. And yeah loved both cartoons, should rewatch them properly sometime

[@dinkledonker801]

I disagree with the Justice League reveal making Terri a copy of Bruce Amanda Waller said it best: "Granted there are similarities, but there's more than a few differences. You don't have his magnificent brain for instance. But you have his heart" Also their originally plan was to end on a movie where we find out that CATWOMAN somehow cloned Bruce and that's Terri, but DC decided to do Mystery of Batwoman instead and they reworked the concept into Justice League. And I'd take Amanda Waller doing something like this over Catwoman somehow having access to cloning tech

[@wisconsinking323]

I LOVE Batman Beyond, if it comes back for one more season (it deserves a proper ending).

[@patrickdupuis9091]

To infinity and Batman beyond!!

[@DWAkhaten]

6:34 - 6:46 Savage. As a Batman series, I really appreciated just how bleak this show could get. There were several episodes of this show that had very disturbing endings, like "Sneak Peek" or "April Moon".

[@delix787]

I rewatched Batman beyond in 2020! The only issue I have with the show is the character writing! It’s very weak compared to Batman the animated series. I was really hoping Terry and Bruce would have some bonding episodes. But it’s mostly just Terry being Batman and taking on crime.

[@Nassit-Gnuoy]

Nah, you were right about the change JLU made to the story. It retroactively makes a lot of aspects about Batman Beyond worse and it’s honestly just weird thinking about the science of it with how far Waller was willing to go to recreate Bruce.

[@manicpixiefangirl4189]

Now, I’m probably biased, but Terry sounds basically the same as Jason Todd.

[@thepoeticbutcher3370]

…..ehhhhhhhhh