The best EF-M lenses are not EF-M!

[@ElusiveFrame]

Edit: I've sold my Canon M50 for a worse camera: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnPamYp9opyoe5o Original post: Because they ace headshots! 🤣🤣🤣 What kind of lenses are you using for your EF-M cameras? I would love to hear! 🤩

[@ImagemakerAi]

I own every M lens except the 15-45 kit. I also have the EF-M adapter to used with a EF 75-300 and SIGMA 150-600

[@ElusiveFrame]

@@ImagemakerAi That's cool! I only have the 15-45 and the 22. 🤔 How would you rate the lenses? 🤓

[@pedrosgarden]

@@ElusiveFrame What you said about buying lenses that would still be useful when I upgrade my camera is something I've thought about for a while, and I think it's what is preventing me from buying the EF-M 22mm. If I upgrade to a full-frame then I will just have to sell it. Would make more sense to buy one of the same focal length but EF-S and then a speed booster. Or am I getting it all wrong? I'm new at photography, so please let me know if I'm thinking about this all wrong.

[@ElusiveFrame]

@@pedrosgarden An EF-S might not be the route to go with. If you use an EF-S lens with a speedbooster on a crop sensor camera (like the M50) or a full frame camera then you'll get vignetting (because they are designed for smaller sensors). I've got a video about using an EF-S lens with my Canon M50 (although I would recommend non Canon EF-S lenses): kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5nFgIFne7ipo9k As for a full frame camera, it would only be usable if you put the camera in a crop sensor mode. But that beats the whole purpose of a full frame camera. If you think about it, once you upgrade to a better camera, your Canon M50 can still be used. I certianly still use my Canon M50, so it's nice having at least one lens that can live on that camera comfortablly. And in the worst case, the used market is a great place to sell lenses in. So unless you're going to upgrade to a better camera soon, I would still get a 22 just because it's such a good bargain. Afterwards I would focus on good EF lenses that would serve my future camera.

[@pedrosgarden]

@@ElusiveFrame Thank you so much for the help! Really good to have a more expert take, since I'm new at this!

[@msm1984_]

I have the speedbooster and the following lens: Canon EF 24-105 f4 , Canon EF 16-35 2,8, Canon EF-M 15-45mm and Canon EF-M 50-200mm. Yep, the L senses are phenomenal, but they are also pretty heavy. In the end, I just feel more confortable going out with the smaller lenses. A perfect lense doesnt make sense when you feel less inclined to take it out for photography.

[@emiliehould7194]

I bought all my lens ef-m and used at a great price for my m50 mark ii , I like the fact that they are really small and lightweight! I have the kit lens, the 22mm, 35mm and the 55 to 200mm :)

[@ElusiveFrame]

Awesome combo! Covers most of the focal range. 🤩 Size is definitely a big plus of the EF-M native lenses if a small package is what you're looking for. That 22 is such a good lens! 🤓 Buying 2nd hand lenses is the way go and I'm glad to hear you got a good deal. I was a bit reluctant at first but it saves a lot of money. I'll definitely be more brave now, Thank you for watching! 😎

[@ibradeybunch]

Do you have a favorite lens?

[@alanm.4298]

I bought an M5 several years ago as a "fun" camera, planning to use it primarily for street and perhaps some travel photography. (I use five DSLRs and about 18 lenses for "work") I wanted to keep my M5 kit small, light and relatively inexpensive. I also wanted to avoid zooms, since I grew up using mostly primes, back in the days when most zooms really sucked. Sort of an "old school" method was what I wanted. Initially I went with all manual focus lenses: Meike (Opteka) 12mm f/2.8, Rokinon 21mm f/1.4, Kamlan 50mm f/1.1 II and adapted a Tamron 90mm macro I already had. I soon discovered I wasn't nearly as good manual focusing as I was 25 or 30 years ago. Or maybe I just got spoiled by AF. Whatever the reason, I was really struggling with the manual focus lenses, so I replace three of them with: Canon EF-M 22mm f/2, Sigma 56mm f/1.4 and Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 adapted (Commlite) with a set of macro extension tubes (Viltrox). I kept using the Meike 12mm because it's manual focus wasn't an issue. On the one hand, the type of shots I tend to use it for typically allow time for focusing, plus such a wide lens has a lot of depth of field making precise focus less critical than, say, a large aperture telephoto. I considered the three Viltrox lenses (23mm, 33mm, 56mm and all f/1.4), even waiting for tgem to be intro'd in EF-M mount... But was disappointed to see them only offered painted silver. I wanted black to be as unobtrusive as possible, for street shooting (though they appear to be excellent and would look especially nice in one of the silver M-series cameras). I also just wasn't interested in 33mm "normal" lenses and didn't feel the Sigma 16mm was wide enough (plus it's rather hefty). This has been working out well. The while kit of camera, 4 lenses and all the accessories in a small shoulder bag weigh less than some of my DSLR lenses by themselves. It's a fun kit to shoot with, though I still had two problems. One was the lens hood for the EF-M 22mm... It's silly. Instead I got a 43mm screw in metal, ventilated, generic hood. It nearly doubles the size of the lens, although still the smallest in my bag. I leave the hood on all the time and cap it for storage, rather than the lens. I only remove the good when I want to use a filter (a screw in hood works better with filters, anyway). $5 off ebay. The other problem was the camera seemed quite small and fiddly to shoot with, after using big DSLRs with lenses that weigh 3, 6 or even 8 lb. for many years. I accidentally solved that, too. I was looking for an Arca-Swiss plate to fit the M5 and there simply aren't a lot of them. Then I found an L-bracket (also ebay... made in China, of course) and for $16 incl. shipping figured it was worth a try. I didn't expect much and am not a fan of L-brackets, never use them on my larger cameras. However I was pleasantly surprised by the excellent quality and perfect fit, plus that the bracket added just a little bulk to the camera that made it much more comfortable to shoot with! I'm quite happy with my M5 kit now. The only thing I might change is that I would rather have a 100mm or 105mm lens, instead of the 85mm. I've considered getting the Sigma 105mm macro in EF mount, but it's larger than I like. And I already have a Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 Macro... Great lens, but also bulky. Canon used to make an EF 100mm f/2 USM (non macro) that I might try. It's almost exactly the same size as the EF 85mm f/1.8... But harder to find. When I need close up ability, I could still use the macro extension rings, too, same as with the 85mm.

[@ElusiveFrame]

First of all, thank you for the long comment. You told your story in a very good way. 🤩 I loved watching camera channels be it photography or filmmaking before I even had a camera. I ended up buying the M50 as my first camera and it was incredible. I learned so many things with it; photography and filmmaking. 🤩 I would suggest a good hack for your M5 that worked for my M50: a cage. 🤓 The M cameras are small, which is great because they're compact, but the grip always felt lacking in longer sessions of street photography. A cage added that little bit more of weight and grip without making the camera feel too large; it still feels small. 👌 As for the lenses, as a 22mm lens fan the viltrox 23mm does seem tempting, even with the annoying silver color. 🙂 Thank you for watching!

[@RodoVkz]

Sigma 17-50 and 18-35 are made for apsc cameras so If you put a speedbooster you notice a vignette in the corners

[@ElusiveFrame]

Yes! You can "fix" it by cropping it in the editing or use enhanced stabilization on thr M50 that crops it for you. 🤓

[@Jameth21]

Thank you for putting a video together on this. I don’t understand why all the reviews complain about a lack of lenses - the EF adapters, not even a speed booster, allow you to take advantage of the used market and pick up high-quality L-lenses as people are offloading their EF gear for RF lenses.

[@ElusiveFrame]

I totally agree! Lenses have a very long shelf life. People still use vintage lenses for a reason. 🤓 Thank you for watching! 🤩

[@jiteshpujari1]

I understand the point you are trying to make! But when I started using 22mmf2 with my M5, I fell in love with the compact nature of EF-m lens. Even the 50 mm with the adapter looks kinda bulky on my m5. But if your main workflow involves more video than images, you are anyways gonna rig it up , then the EF lens make sense

[@msm1984_]

Its the size....all about the size of it. For some people it makes a difference.

[@PickinPins]

Tim ! You are killing it with these videos man! Very very good job bro! With the music and the cuts this really really looks professional.

[@ElusiveFrame]

Hey Peter! Thank you so much for being a constant support to this channel. 🤩 Glad you enjoyed it! I posted the joke's answer just now so sorry if you missed that. See you on the next one! 😎

[@PickinPins]

@@ElusiveFrame haha Head Shots! Hehe. You Nut! 👍

[@davescamera3672]

Sigma 16mm f1.4 is a must have for video. I pair it with 7Artisans 50mm f0.95 for my close ups.

[@ElusiveFrame]

Sounds like a terrific match! 😃 Oh yes. I've been thinking about the 16mm for a while now... The fast aperture and the wide focal length are very appealing. Maybe even for photography. 🤔 But the 17-50 is more versatile in my opinion, especially with a speed booster. As for the fast aperture, I got my 50mm at f1.2 with the speed booster to cover that. 😬 It all depends on one's needs! 😉

[@DocDealgood]

Love the EF-S 10-18mm, EF 40mm F2.8 (extremely sharp), EF 100mm F2 on my M6 Mark2

[@ElusiveFrame]

Hi Thomas! That's a great combo! Do you use it for photography or filmmaking?

[@DocDealgood]

@@ElusiveFrame The EF-S 10-18 sometimes for video / vlogging ... and the EF-M 22mm. All other lenses for stills.

[@ElusiveFrame]

@@DocDealgood How's the barrel distortion on the 10-18? With a speedbooster and a 17-50 I get some barrel distortion but it's nothing that I can't fix in post. 🤔

[@DocDealgood]

@@ElusiveFrame Barrel distortion is corrected in camera. You may look at review from Christopher Frost or others kzbin.info/www/bejne/emXSZaKDm5h0rKs

[@ElusiveFrame]

@@DocDealgood Thanks! I'll take a look. 😎

[@jaimetan]

Very helpful points, thanks! I’ve got an M50ii with kit lens but been looking for a wider lens for vlogging and yoga videos I shoot. But since the EF-M range seems like its dying, I’m close to buying the EF-S 10-18mm with viltrox adapter. I figure if I ever move up beyond the M50 it’ll probably be to the new RF aps-c before I attempt full frame, so at least that lens can move with me too. I like that it’s also got a small form factor (even if it’s not the fastest lens!) 👍

[@ElusiveFrame]

That's a great game plan! I had a bokeh phase like most people had with crazy shallow depth of field shots but I grew out of it. So don't let the fact that the lens isn't fast enough to get you down because the 10-18mm focal length sounds incredible. 😃 The viltrox speed booster is an awesome choice! I've been using mine for over a year now and it worked flawlessly. 👌 I suggest you watch my review about a cage for the M50. It added more grip and easier plate handling for tripods. 😎 Thank you for watching! 🤩

[@jaimetan]

@@ElusiveFrame not getting the speed booster, just the adapter coz it’s an EF-S native lens. Also I love the tiny form factor of the M50 and not interested in adding bulk with a cage - but I understand how some people go nuts with accessorising. Will still watch that vid though, thanks! ps. The other way around getting that shallow depth of field is bang loads of light and use an nd filter. Not sure I wanna go to all that trouble though 😅

[@ElusiveFrame]

@@jaimetan Oh. I misread. 😅 The adapter by viltrox is also great! I never understood why the adapter by Canon is so expansive. It's just metal and pins. 🙂 I totally agree about the light thing. You could always upgrade or change things along the way. It's a process you build over time. 🤓

[@mareksmehlik6935]

I think the best thing about Ef-m system is compact size to performance. I am traveling a lot for climbing or fishing and you dont want to pull RF mount camera and lenses in your backpack because of place. Canon M50 is for my nice compromise with sigma ef-m lenses and its stil small and lightweight. Yes i can buy Sony A6xxx but i dont like the shape of A6xxx

[@ShawnyBGolf]

I’m with you. Idk if because of my large hands but canon RF cameras feel 100x better in my hand than any Sony A7’s. I don’t really hold my M50 in my hand but I just like my familiarity with cannon and it’s compact size

[@ElusiveFrame]

The compact size is definitely a great selling point. However, I'm pretty sure than an APS-C RF mount camera won't be as big and bulky as the full frame RF cameras. 🤔 Thank you for watching! 🤩

[@ElusiveFrame]

@@ShawnyBGolf With a cage I feel like the M50's size is just right. Makes the grip easier and adds just the right amount of weight to the camera - heavy in a good way. 💪 Canon engineers definitely know what they're doing. 🤓

[@fotosbynor0001]

@@ElusiveFrame I really liked my M50m2 when I had it. IF my Tamron 18-400 EF mount lens would have worked with the Viltrox adapter I would have kept it. I had the 15-45mm Canon lens EF-M and the 50-200mm EF-M lenses, and ended up buying a Tamron 18-200mm EF-M lens. IT was a great lens, but I wanted a longer lens and got upset at the lack of lenses for the M mount. Canon's EF lenses are nice, but a little expensive. I decided to go with Fujifilm and the X-T3. I now have a Tamron 18-300mm lens and Tamron is supposed to be coming out with 3 more X mount lenses. You mention the cropped RF camera. I heard the rumors of Canon's "affordable cropped RF camera. I wish they would have come out earlier, now they are saying maybe second half of this year. I like Canon, I have had a Canon since my AE-1 Program MANY years ago! I should sell my 80D with my Tamron lenses, but...... I have ALWAYS had a Canon. I hope the APS-C RF will get here, I heard it should be "affordable", rumored to be around 800$. THAT might be a camera to bring me back to Canon. I sent my M50M2 to my son in Việt Nam, he really loves it. He bought a Sigma 30mm f1.4 lens yesterday and took some photos of his son and daughter last night, the photos look really good!! It is good to see him really excited to be back into photography. Canon is gearing down their DSLR line and switching more to their mirrorless cameras, the RF cameras are too expensive and I don't really need to go full frame anyway. ANYWAY, sorry this is sooo long. Great video, I am going to forward your video to my son. Thank you!! ~~~ Norris

[@cherylmoning2315]

I watched your video and I have some questions. I am very new to photography and just bought the Canon M50M2 yesterday. I was recommended the 55-200mm lens since we will be going to BC and want to capture lots of photos of mountains, etc. After your video, I am hesitant to buy it and see about now buying a EF lens. For someone who is a beginner wanting to take photos and videos of family and this vacation, but may have it turn into a hobby, what type of lens do you recommend? Totally scrap the thought of EF-M lenses and invest in EF? Terminology is so new to me and I am still figuring it all out (thank you KZbin), so you are actually my first video in all this research! Thanks for sharing your opinions :)

[@ElusiveFrame]

Hi Cheryl and thank you for watching! 🤓 As someone who is starting out I would just suggest to go with the 55-200 and experience the camera, especially since you are going on a vacation. Have fun and enjoy with one lens. 😎 There is an additional cost and research involved to grow your lens collection when you go down the EF route. I myself started with some EF-M lenses and got the basics of my camera before I started buying more lenses, especially ones for different mounts. I'm not familiar with the 55-200 but the zoom range is good, especially when you go on vacation for everything that is far or close. 😄 You could do a general research about a good EF-M zoon lens. And I would currently recommend it just because I was overwhelmed by this world of lenses and mounts. For me It was easier to just start with one dedicated ef-m lens and learn. First learn the basics and have fun while doing it. 😉

[@cherylmoning2315]

@@ElusiveFrame Oh my goodness, yes! It is so overwhelming, especially when I am learning how to do things in manual settings. My brain can't wrap around all those details yet! You make a great point to just start out with the 55-200mm and then expand later once I have learned my camera - and basically how to photograph things!! Thank you for your response, I appreciate it!

[@craigmckernan4056]

Fun video. While the EF-M lineup is a tad sparse you touched on a key point with it's adaptability. Ones that I've tried with some success I'll mention. With Viltrox EF-EF-S: 40mm 2.8 pancake, the older EF 28-105mm zoom, it's lighter than the 24-105L. With the standard EF-S to EF: 24mm 2.8 pancake, 10-18mm, and 55-250mm efs (great lightweight options). Plus you can go vintage manual focus lenses with other adapters.

[@ElusiveFrame]

Exactly! I read somewhere that the sensor size of the M50 isn't that far off the micro four thirds mount size. If Canon wasn't being Canon they could have pulled it off as a micro four thirds sensor because that's what it's versatility reminds me of. Thank you for watching! 🤩

[@EdSaenzDrums]

How is the lightweight of the EF-M 22mm a con? When the whole purpose of the EOS M line is the compact and lightweight of the entire system? The best camera is the one you have on you. And when you can carry a small camera like the M50 paired with a lens like the 22mm means you’ll most likely wanna carry it with you than a big heavy set up with a lens that’s bigger than the camera body plus an adaptor.

[@ElusiveFrame]

Hi Ed! 😃 The fact that the camera is light weight is definitely a positive thing. It all depends on your needs. I looked at it from a perspective of doing controlled shots that require movement, where extra weight means more stable footage. For an everyday carry, the 22 is a champ. It's hard to believe such a small set can produce such great results. Thank you for watching! 🤩

[@EdSaenzDrums]

@@ElusiveFrame I guess my point of view is from a photographer’s perspective and yours from a videographer’s so that is fair. 🤝

[@ElusiveFrame]

@@EdSaenzDrums Totally! This was the lens I used for street photography and it's incredible; an interchangeable lens camera the size of a point and shoot. 🙌

[@RodoVkz]

Another thing to consider the speedbooster made the lenses softer so if you shoot stills its a problem, if you only shoot video isnt important

[@ElusiveFrame]

Hi! That's an interesting insight. I didn't do any photos with the speedbooster but it makes sense that adding another glass will affect the image. 🤔 Thank you for watching! 🤩

[@apislapis]

I bought into the EF-M system because it was compact and the lenses were light and it offered enthusiasts the larger APS-C sensor based system similar in size to MFT equipment but with a larger sensor. For the last few years the EF-M mount has been kept going by Sigma, Viltrox and various manual lenses from Chinese companies. The problem with using adaptors is that you end up buying large and heavier EF / EF-S lenses defeating the purpose of buying a small compact system. So thanks Canon for abandoning users of the EF-M mount. I have started to 'future-proof' as best as one can, by eventually abandoning Canon, as a reward, for MFT & the Sony E system, although with the trend for APS-C cameras increasing in bulk (such as the alpha 6700) you may as well own a FF camera if they're going to be a similar size.

[@ElusiveFrame]

I came across the same problem once I switched to MFT. I sold all my EF lenses after discovering how affordable and tiny MFT lenses can be! 😄 MFT is supported by Olympus and Panasonic as camera brands and plenty of lenses exist for it. I've actually created a video listing those lenses here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6e5pXSjabSFhbc The issue with other brands like Sony, aside from the size is the lenses. Their incentive is for us to buy into Full Frame, which is why APS-C lenses are often times cheap plastic. Fuji is the other brand I would consider buying into, seeing how they treat their APS-C as pro-grade cameras and lenses. 🤩

[@carspottin_kj]

I have the Mark2 M50. I have the regular Viltrox adapter. I have a EFS 18-135 and 17-50 Sigma. I also have Viltrox Lens 33mm F1.4

[@ElusiveFrame]

Great choice of lenses! That 17-50 is just a legend of a lens, with all of it shortcomings. Thank you for watching! 🤩

[@carspottin_kj]

@@ElusiveFrame yep. I found it for $175. Best buy ever and I found the 18-135 for $125

[@ElusiveFrame]

@@carspottin_kj I'm using a 12-200 for micro four thirds and I know understand how versatile an 18-135 lens can be, especially for travel! Awesome deals 🙌

[@carspottin_kj]

@@ElusiveFrame wait, there is a 12-200? I know of the 18-200 and 18-300 and even the 35-150 f2.8 but I didn't know it was a 12-200 lens out there

[@ElusiveFrame]

@@carspottin_kj There isn't for EF-M. I just mentioned the one I have which is 12-200 for a micro four thirds system and how it's close to 18-135. It's very versatile! 😃

[@cdbtheclaw]

I don't think Canon will kill the EOS-M lineup in the future since the small sized cameras are really interesting for amateurs, streamers and vloggers. The lens lineup they offer already is covering those customers needs quite good so I doubt too many new lenses will be added to the lineup. I just see them updating the cameras and lenses they already have every now and then to adapt to new technologies since that will be a really economic way to fill that market segment and not completely surrender it to Sony and their Alpha 5000-6000 cameras. Still I have mostly EF(-S) glass on my M50 MkII since it is just so much cheaper to get second hand. Other than that I just have the 15-45mm and 22mm EF-M and also a Helios 44M. So even with me not seeing the mount die soon we come to the same conclusion ^^

[@ElusiveFrame]

Great points! I totally agree on them not killing it officially since it would upset a lot of new and current customers. What I foresee is a slow decline in releases (death by stagnation). There are already no new lenses by Canon for 4 years, which might be okay since the focal range is already mostly covered. 🤔 But I don't see why a new line of APS-C RF mount cameras can't replace the EF-M line of cameras with time. 😉 And awesome lens combo! It definitely future proofs you if you decide to continue down the APS-C route like I did. 🤓 Thank you for watching! 🤩

[@AlexADumbDumb]

I also have a Helios 44 on my M50 and it's great

[@ElusiveFrame]

@@AlexADumbDumb Still not sure about that one. I don't think I'm in a place yet to buy a lens for it's character rather than it's focal range. 🤔 But it's definitely on the interesting-lenses list.

[@AlexADumbDumb]

@@ElusiveFrame I got mine for like $40 and the adapter was only $10 or so, so I think the bar for whether it's worth the money is rather low as far as lenses go (I mean I have lens filters that cost more). I think it's a bit more compelling on a full-frame camera, though, since otherwise the crop removes a lot of the spiral distortion that is so characteristic of the lens. That said, on my M50, it makes some really magical looking portraits that just don't compare with any of my other lenses. Plus I find all-manual lenses fun to use

[@ElusiveFrame]

@@AlexADumbDumb That price is really affordable! It will probably be the first vintage lens I'll buy for sure. 🤩 I wonder how it performs for video. 🤔

[@KRXOVRmedia]

LOL This was great. Thank you for all of this information!

[@ElusiveFrame]

Thank you for watching! I'm glad you had a blast. 🤩 See you in the next one! 🤓

[@la1cnamobil]

Thanks:) I’m glad I did that

[@ElusiveFrame]

Glad I saved you some pain there 😅

[@lego_minifig]

The ef-s 55-250mm stm is my favorite lens to adapt. When paired with the 15-45mm kit lens and a fast 23mm prime I can cover pretty much every shot I may want to shoot. The ef-m equivalent caps out at 200mm. The loss in focal length is not worth the savings in weight imo. The lens still fits in my small 6L peak design sling with my other two lenses so it passes the portability test in my eyes. Id be interested to see how well a speed booster would fit into my setup. Not sure how often I’d use it which is the only thing holding me back atm.

[@ElusiveFrame]

Great combo! It sounds like the speed booster will only benefit you in regards to faster aperture on cheaper lenses. But it depends on what you're shooting and whether the fast aperture will be helpful. Thanks for watching! 🤩

[@oamyway975]

Hi 👋 You discussed my very concern in this video. I am just an Hobbyist n I wany to buy my first camera - preferabky canon APSC camera. But canon has closed production of it's DSLR lineup n even i think they will continue with RF Mount only. I feel M mont will also suffer. Well that's my gut feel. No such announcement from canon yet. So, I don't want to invest in EF-S Mount and at the same time afraid to buy an M Mount- to be specific M50ii. So I m like tied up now, can't buy -till the announcement goes off from canon - we are launching our RF crop sensor camera 😊 What should I do ? Any good lenses(canon/Sigma/viltrox) that can be used in future on RF mount as well ? Hope you got my problem 😸 👋 👍 🙏

[@ElusiveFrame]

Hi! I know that full frame EF lenses can be adapted to the RF mount. But why do you wait for Canon when you have other amazing brands out there? 🤔 If it's photography then Fujifilm or just any other brand is great today. If it's filmmaking Panasonic are awesome. Sony cameras are great all around with a single mount for APS-C and full frame. 🤓 I suggest you to do some research and go beyond Canon. The camera world is filled with other great brands! Thank you for watching! 🤩

[@oamyway975]

@@ElusiveFrame true brother 🙂. Thank you for replying ☺️. I wish to go with canon BCOS I'm going to be a Hobbyist only. Want good JPEGs. N Many KZbinrs say canon has best colours SOOC. that's why canon 🙂 What do you suggest now ?🙏

[@ElusiveFrame]

@@oamyway975 Canon colors are great but there are other good photo centric brands out there, like Fuji. 🤔 I suggest you just look what KZbin or the Internet suggests. There are probably a lot if people out there suggesting cameras. The decision is up to you but it can guide you towards your goal much easier. 😉

[@oamyway975]

@@ElusiveFrame hmm...right. 👍 ok i Shak explore Fuji or maybe Nikon too Thank you brother 😊 Thank you very much 🙏😊

[@fotosbynor0001]

I apologize in advance for butting in, I have been Canon since the film days LONG ago. Canon DSLR's are great cameras. You have full control of manual settings and you can use a combination of manual and automatic settings, BUT they also have the "Program" and some newer cameras have "Scenes" settings. I had the M50m2 and got upset with the lack of lenses available because of "lack of support" for the M series. O&A My Way, you are correct, Canon is shifting from DSLR's and even the M Series to ramp up the RF series, at least from what I read. Bad news for photographers, and even at a time when camera sells are down across the board. The M50m2 is a GREAT camera and there are MANY still in use, but Canon doesn't support them anymore. There are good EF/EF-S lenses that work with adapters and they work really well. The adapters don't work with some of the 3rd party EF lenses though. I sent my M50m2 to my son, I was using the Tamron 18-200mm EFM lens with it and it worked well. My son just bought a Sigma 30mm f1.4 EFM lens and it takes great photos with that lens. I went with Fujifilm, I bought an X-T3 and I am currently using a Tamron 18-300mm lens. Fuji has some really nice lenses and Sigma is coming out with lenses and Tamron is supposed to be coming out with 3 more lenses also. There is growing support for the X mount cameras. BUT from replies here, let me tell a little about Fuji. I got lazy with Canon, I like a good easy camera and got it with Canon!! With Fujifilm you need to learn settings. With Canon on Program mode it will take care of nighttime shooting. With Fujifilm you can have everything on "auto" and you still need to adjust ISO and Speed or Aperture. Fujifilm has great color reproduction and daylight it is an easy camera to use, it is bigger and heavier than the Canon M camera. Fuji is affordable and lenses are also. You can still find good deals on used Canon M cameras, the M50 or M50m2 are great, only get lenses you need for now, get an adapter and some EF lenses. Then wait to see when the APS-C RF camera comes out (supposed to be second half of this year....supposed to be around 800$ from what I read) I still hope Canon will come to their sense and see there are a lot of EOS-M camera users!!! again, sorry, I just thought I would put in my comment about Fujifilm.

[@scrappedlives]

The nifty fifty is a great portret lens on a crop camera. I can really recommend it.

[@ElusiveFrame]

It is! Especially for the price. 😁

[@hussamkassab131]

Does the ef 50mm lens with adapter give excellent performance with m6ii for portrit!؟!؟ Or i go with canon 850d with out adapter

[@ElusiveFrame]

Not sure about the M6II because I don't have that camera. 🤔 It does give great results on the M50 with the speedbooster. 🤓 But I wouldn't go with either of those cameras anyways because Canon just announced their new APS-C RF cameras and you can just get an adapter from RF to EF. I have more information about it in my latest video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/omOsqIqdZp1mbbs Thank you for watching! 😎

[@barkan86]

The Sigma 56mm 1.4 is a must for M6ii. Sharp like hell. Can be cropped to pixel level..

[@ElusiveFrame]

Hi barkan! That's really sharp 😳 Almost 90mm equivalent. Thanks for watching! 🤩

[@JonBear]

Great video bro!

[@ElusiveFrame]

Thanks Jon! I might do a M43 followup in a year when I have more information. 🤩

[@key2adventure]

I bought into this system for its small size and weight, therefore using the much larger and heavier EF lenses doesn’t make sense. Furthermore, you can buy the ef-m lenses used for very cheap, nothing much too loose there.

[@ElusiveFrame]

Thank you for watching! 🤓 It all depends on your use. If you don't want to future proof your camera it's totally fine and EF-M lenses do go cheap nowadays. 🤩 What are your favorite lenses?

[@key2adventure959]

@@ElusiveFrame I use 15-45mm and 55-200mm for travel, but the one I love most is the 22mm f2. By the way, as I have an assortment of EF lenses from my 1DX, I use these as well. Must beloved is the 135mm f2, and the 17-40mm f4. Just normally don't take them on my travels working as mountaineering guide.

[@ElusiveFrame]

@@key2adventure959 That 22 is a gem! I love that lens so much for photography. 🤩 And the 15-45 is honestly underrated. I'm using it more lately because of its widness. 😎 I'm not familiar with the EF lenses you mentioned but they sound great. 🙂 Lately I'm trying to focus more on micro four thirds lenses. 🤔

[@ryanlam6689]

im a M6ii user, hope there will be more 3rd party lens released in ef-m mount... is canon blocking this?

[@ElusiveFrame]

Not that I know of. 🤔 We already have a few Sigma lenses but I doubt new lenses would be released. The line of EF-M might not be that attractive anymore. 🤷‍♂️ Thank you for watching! 🤩

[@FalloutUrMum]

EF M is shockingly versatile. The things you can download on them makes them almost as good as cinema cameras.

[@ElusiveFrame]

Only ones like the M200 that Canon didn't patch. But yeah, what you can do with that camera is incredible. I also read somehwere that the mount has similiar design choices to MFT.

[@GremHopkins]

Hi! thanks for video. a question, when you use speedbooster with sigma17-50, does it result in vinieting?

[@ElusiveFrame]

Hi! Yes it does. You can either crop when you're editing or let the camera do it for you by selecting enhanced stabilization. 😉 Thank you for watching! 😸

[@doctorg1]

what about helios 44?

[@ElusiveFrame]

I just bought this lens and used it in my last video on my GH5. 🙂 I loved the image and the sharpness that came out of it so it's a great lens like the rest of the reviews praise it to be. 👌 But, it's a different realm of lenses because they lack any form of auto focus and you need to do a research before you dive into the vintage lens world. So I wouldn't recommend it to most people just because of that. 🤔 Thank you for watching! 🤩

[@remshawmusiek7565]

How did you connect the sigma 17-50mm to the speedbooster?

[@ElusiveFrame]

It's an EF lens so it fit the Speedbooster that is EF-M to EF. Just screwwd it on. 😎 Thank you for watching! 🤩

[@AnotherCameraChannel]

Great video Tim! Loving al the B-Roll you're adding! Keep it up! 💪

[@ElusiveFrame]

Thank you! 🤩 I'll see you on the next one. 😎🤟

[@tim-n.schutze8796]

What do you think about the 30mm f1.4 sigma ef m?

[@ElusiveFrame]

Hi Tim! It's always fun finding another Tim. 😎 I don't have the lens but I heard all the EF-M lenses of Sigma are great. The reviews were positive! 😃 This is a great review that covers a lot of lenses, the 30mm as well: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHuXdJKIeaqaa7s. Of course, I would recommend getting an EF lens because it's more future proof but it all depends on your usage. 😎

[@tim-n.schutze8796]

@@ElusiveFrame Thanks for your reply…. i am still not sure if I should get a speedbooster for my 50mm f1.8 instead of the sigma. Hard decision😅

[@ElusiveFrame]

@@tim-n.schutze8796 A speed booster might reduce crop factor and provide an additional stop of light but it's also a means to future proof your gear. ⏱️ EF lenses can be adapted to almost any mount, so buying a speed booster will allow you to mount more lenses in the future. These future lenses could live in your next camera. It will also allow you to buy a wider range of lenses, some can be a lot cheaper. 🙃 With a speedbooster your 50mm lens will be 56.8mm (50 x 1.6 x 0.71). The 30 will be a 48mm (30 x 1.6). The difference is negligible but it's up to you. 😁 The 50mm with a speedbooster goes all the way down to f1.2. I'm starting to like it for thumbnails because of the insane shallow depth of field you can get. The B-Roll where the 17-50 and 24-015 were present was shot on the 50mm. 🤓

[@TR6Telos]

Yes the 22mm f2 is amazing as a pancake lens its sooo small which is soooo gooood! Good for astro!

[@ElusiveFrame]

I've never tried Astro before but it sounds amazing for that. 😱 The M50 with the 22 is an incredibly small and capable camera for photography. 😃 Thank you for watching! 🤩

[@TR6Telos]

@@ElusiveFrame F2 , 1600 asa, manual focus, 20 seconds, no noise reduction, no moon out, bin bag over street light, no tracker needed very slight trailing at edges.

[@Johnnyd898]

Already bought the viltrox speedboster m2 for my m50

[@ElusiveFrame]

Awesome! What lenses will you adapt to your speedbooster? 🤔 And thank you for watching! 🤩

[@CODTales]

do you get vignetting with the speed booster and sigma 17-50? isn’t the lens made for crop sensor cameras and not full frame?

[@ElusiveFrame]

Great question! I forgot to talk about it. 🤦‍♂️ You're correct. The sigma 17-50 is for crop sensor cameras. 👌 As for the vignette - It depends. On video mode there is none, even at 1080. On picture/manual modes you can clearly see it. I'll write it down as a video idea since I have no idea why it's even working. 🤔 Hope it answers your question. If you have more just drop 'em here. 🤩

[@CODTales]

@@ElusiveFrame that would be great! i have the lens as is, but i want to see what the speed booster does versus having the normal adapter. if you could upload a video and maybe private link it?

[@ElusiveFrame]

@@CODTales I only tried it with the Canon M50 so I can't guarantee it for any other camera without understanding it fully. So, if you have a Canon M50 camera (1.6x crop) and you put a speedbooster on it with a crop sensor lens then it would work in video mode, no matter the frames or if it's full hd or 4k). 👌 As for other cameras, I would check other reviews. From what I've heard Canon EF-S lenses are not recommended at all and you should mostly adapt EF full frame lenses. I had the 24-105 so buying the speedbooster was an easy decision. Finding out it works with the 17-50 was a happy accident. 😃 The talking head and all the B-Rolls where the 17-50 isn't present were shot on the 17-50 with the speedbooster in full HD. The talking head was in 24 frames and the B-Rolls in 60 frames. The only thing that I applied in editing apart from color grading is a small barrel distortion fix for the talking head clips. For photos, you'll get a vignette for sure.

[@CODTales]

@@ElusiveFrame great. this answers my question completely. i only need the camera for video so thank you!

[@ElusiveFrame]

@@CODTales I finally understand how it works and I don't want to mislead you or anybody reading this. 🤔 The only way it worked in Full HD was because digital IS was turned on (because it crops in on the sensor). Once I removed the IS I could see the vignette. So you can use your 17-50 in full HD, but make sure you turn your IS on. 😎 As for 4k, it already crops in on the sensor so IS doesn't have to be turned on. 😉 As for other lenses, it looks like only a small part of EF-S lenses work with the speedbooster so I wouldn't bother with that. 👌 I'll add this to my list of future videos, to make things more clear for the community. 😁

[@mahmoudafifi3556]

This is a very useful video 👍

[@ElusiveFrame]

Thank you for watching! 🤩😎

[@FrostyFingaz]

Great video, but how were you able to adapt the EF-S lenses on a speedbooster? From what I know speedboosters only support EF lenses.

[@ElusiveFrame]

Hi and thank you for watching! 🤓 It's true that EF-S lenses don't work but it looks like it's only with a Canon brand lens (I didn't find any good documentation on the subject). 🤷‍♂️ And I adapted a Sigma EF-S lens. Do note that there ia vignette when using such a lens, so make sure you buy a speedbooster mainly for a full frame lens. You can get rid of the vignette by using enhanced digital stabilization (which crops the image) or crop it yourself in post. 😎

[@Tvennet]

@@ElusiveFrame that’s because third party ef-s lenses use EF mount even if they are Apsc lenses. So that’s why you get that vignetting.

[@ElusiveFrame]

@@Tvennet Exactly! The glass is smaller and the speedbooster widens the frame beyond the glass limits.

[@pintezs]

Answered my questions. Thanks ✌️

[@kardoentertainment]

I have 7artisans, Meike and Sigma for my M6M2.

[@ElusiveFrame]

Thank you for watching! 💪 The first two lenses sound manual. 🤔 What focal length and f stop are the lenses?

[@kardoentertainment]

@@ElusiveFrame 16mm F/1.4, 25mm F/1.8, 35mm F/1.4 and 55mm F/1.4

[@ElusiveFrame]

@@kardoentertainment That's a great combo! Are they all for the EF-M system?

[@kardoentertainment]

@@ElusiveFrame yes all native lenses, except for the Sigma 16, all are manual.

[@ElusiveFrame]

@@kardoentertainment I don't really need the sigma but I wanted it for a long time now. Wide and fast. 🥺 Very nice combo! 🔥🤩

[@bernsan443]

I have the m6 mk2 with the volt rod speed booster using the sigma 17-50mm. For some reason you can see vignetting from the lense any way I can fix it?

[@ElusiveFrame]

Hi Bernie! You have vignette because the glass is too small for the widened frame the speedbooster creates. The only solution would be to crop it. ✂️ You can do it either by turning the image stabilization all the way to enhanced (it works on the M50 so I'm not sure how it will fair on the M6), or to crop it in the editing process. I would also suggest to fix barrel distortion in the editing process, since it will be well pronounced at the wider focal range. Thank you for watching! 🤩

[@bernsan443]

@@ElusiveFrame awesome thank you!!! The sigma 17-50 was my baby but I ended up selling it last night for a new lense. I do a lot of video and the sound of the auto focus finally got to me. Love the video by the way!

[@ElusiveFrame]

@@bernsan443 Yeah... That auto focus sound gets to you. xD Cheers! 😄

[@ohados235]

סרטון מעולה תודה. עדשת 55-250 EF-S ,תעבוד עם המתאם הזה ועם ה M50?

[@ElusiveFrame]

תודה! 🤩 אני לא בטוח. אם העדשה היא של Canon אז רוב הסיכויים שלא. יש משהו עם עדשות ייעודיות של EF-S של Canon שלא עובד עם מתאמים. הייתי מחפש באינטרנט לראות אם מישהו גרם לזה לעבוד. 😎

[@DoveSharma]

I think you are referring the out of focus area as the Bokeh..

[@ElusiveFrame]

I am. 😁 It's more catchy and easier to understand.

[@milehigh_onthefly]

You sure are cleaver. Thanks for the non-sensical video title. No, I didn't watch your video. I clicked on it out of frustration in regareds to your title to leave this comment.

[@ElusiveFrame]

In this video I am showing non EF-M lenses so I don't I understand your frustration. Good day. 🤩

[@DansEarway]

👏👏👏

[@ElusiveFrame]

Thank you for watching! 😃

[@Uri_antin]

שלוםםםםםםם

[@ElusiveFrame]

Hi :)