The BEST F-16 Simulator | What is Falcon BMS and is it WORTH it?

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[@AviationPlus]

Check out the Tactical Frequency a podcast about Falcon BMS. www.spreaker.com/show/the-tactical-frequency

[@Duvstep910]

Is bms worth it? Considering dcs modules cost up to 70 bucks and you need a real good pc to play it whereas bms is a sim you can just read a single manual and get going, and has a campaign engine that will keep you busy till the afterlife whereas dcs depends solely on player created content; i'd say yes it's worth it.

[@gromm93]

DCS's scenario system is horribly broken too, as it depends on triggers to make AI do things. Worse, to get scenarios to work properly, developers need to make workarounds for DCS bugs, and when those bugs get fixed or the sim gets updated at all, the scenarios need to be fixed once more. Keep doing that until you break the spirit of those who built the scenarios, and suddenly they're all worthless.

[@sambrady9009]

@@gromm93i mean unless youve layed the game for years you wouldnt be doing any of that anyway

[@gromm93]

@@sambrady9009 ok. Pick up The Big Show scenario (for what, $50?) and tell me how far into it you can get before the game crashes.

[@sambrady9009]

@@gromm93 y u mad lol wasn’t even trying to argue

[@mro9466]

Too much stuff for ED to keep up, and they don't care. I like scripted missions but even these missions/ campaigns are broken every other week.

[@SPBurt1]

Been playing BMS since inception, and even though I play DCS and and other sims, I am always drawn back to Falcon BMS. It is very immersive.

[@AviationPlus]

I have really been trying to get in to DCS again after solely playing BMS for years. I started with Lock On Modern Air Combat.

[@captaincurd2681]

Been playing bms for fifteen years now. I believe I am an ace pilot level now.

[@Dave-PL]

Best dynamic campaign ever made.

[@foxxy46213]

It's really addictive game.. found it by accident and got so in to it... even among die hard simmers the go huh when you say falcon...BMS....you know the f16 SIM. It's amazing how good this game is an because it's old it's just got tons of stuff...got the photo cockpits eventually... couldn't get them anywhere an had to torrent them...1seed took months at 2kb😢

[@aaronwhite1786]

In a time where hard drives are relatively cheap, anyone sticking to "their" sim is doing themselves a definite disservice. They all have something great to offer, and BMS is a blast.

[@AviationPlus]

The most common thing I see is that people think the control set up is impossible and then give up after trying a few times. Not sure how much it differs from any other game where you can map controls.

[@ryansta]

@@AviationPlus It used to be quite a nightmare to set up a modern Hotas but they've changed that now too making it pretty easy, perhaps people are unaware.

[@GewelReal]

I don't think it's storage issue

[@aaronwhite1786]

@@AviationPlus Agreed. I know the biggest hurdle for me initially was the awful UI for setting up controls. Even with the Alternative Launcher, it was often a pain to get the game to recognize key presses on my controller. Another frustrating issue I ran into was not being able to change key configuration mid-mission, so if I loaded in and found out my rudders were backwards, or the time I found my brakes were reversed, so I was constantly braking, it was a bit of a pain having to back out and restart everything.

[@S3NTRY]

I was waiting for VR. I have not been disappointed. It's been like coming home. Thank you for keeping Falcon alive, BMS.

[@AviationPlus]

So were a lot of others. Not sure how much of that rush we got are still playing now.

[@S3NTRY]

@@AviationPlus the graphics hurdle is likely a big one for many to jump. Returning players no-doubt have the benefit of knowing that the payoff is there. If I could say anything to people trying for the first time, is to at least play 1 full day of an easy campaign to get a decent feel for it.

[@AviationPlus]

@@S3NTRY I partially understand the graphics portion but if someone were to experience online play with GCI. It would be a whole new world for them. However, most hop in a only fly single player and immediately notice the graphics an not quick to get into multiplayer. For those only interested in the F-16 BMS is the better sim for those who like to fly other aircraft and already spent several hundreds of dollars on DCS already are not so fond of playing BMS.

[@S3NTRY]

@@AviationPlus I would put online play with a GCI in the "even bigger hurdle" bucket, but I understand where you're coming from 😄 I have more DCS modules than I'd care to admit. I knew the day was coming when BMS would get VR, and I knew I'd be at least trying it. What I didn't know is that it would reinforce DCS's inadequacies to me, to the point where I'm not even sure when I'll go back, but it may even be only when I see drastic improvements to the core (beyond performance and graphics). So, it's looking like BMS will have my attention for a long time. But BMS has to grab you. And I can see many reasons why people would be turned away at first glance. You have to fight through the rough edges to the gooey greatness within.

[@gromm93]

I know, right? VR has been such a game changer in usability of any sim. Instead of having to monkey around with some kind of keystroke/HOTAS button thing to look around, you just... look around. TrackIR hasn't been much better either, needing to keep your eyes on the screen in front of you and all that.

[@simgaminglife4392]

Very nice and informative all around review of BMS. I’m in love with BMS and it’s community. “Study Sim” is also quite a filter for let’s say more mature and dedicated serious player-pilots. Once more thumbs up and like 👍

[@AviationPlus]

Thanks there is no way a single video can sum up BMS in its entirety without being several hours. The community is what wins me, with just about anything.

[@crazykiwi1472]

So far I have delved someway into Falcon BMS. For me, the biggest barrier was not the graphics nor the level of simulation. It was how hard it is to look up a specific feature or procedure in the documentation. There are multiple manuals and they are sometimes confusing because they use different names for the same item in different locations. I pointed out the difficuly of learing with these manuals compared to a procedure based manual such as chuck's guides (even allowing for the training missions) and I was told they like to keep the sim learning difficulty close to the same that a real life pilot would have i.e. having to rote learn and cross reference material between multiple manuals. I feel this is unrealistic, as I do not fly the same hours as a real life squadron pilot and cannot stay current and competent in all systems and procedures. I need to be able to remind myself in an easy way how to do certain tasks. I think this barrier should be pointed out in any video discussing the nature of Falcon BMS compared to other sims.

[@AviationPlus]

As with everything, information is not all in one spot or in one document. To get the complete details one would need to go to the original manuals. Most real squadrons create cheat sheets and a collection of information in one document to help with finding certain things. Either way there is going to be a lot of pages. I know when manuals were printed pilots would bookmark certain spots, we have digital manuals and are able to Ctrl F and still make bookmarks making it easy to find things. Chuck's Guide are a guide and the BMS manuals are manuals. If someone is wanting to make a BMS Guide feel free to basically rewrite the manuals. What we have is what we got. KZbin is also something that should be used. We are in the digital age and we should use all recourses.

[@treypeters1087]

Fool u could have just written ur own manual with that effort

[@MistorGator13]

​@@AviationPlusTook the words out of my mouth...... CTRL-F. It's been my method so far.

[@Dee-Jay]

HI! "I pointed out the difficuly of learing with these manuals compared to a procedure based manual such as chuck's guides " This is normal. BMS approche is much more a processionnal approche and build/write docs like the real one. Chuck's guides are VERY nice but mostly build as cartoons. Less informations and what Chucks present in 10 page is less than a professional (describing) docs. Not worse, not better ... different. Not for the same "public/target".

[@AR_Parker]

Bms is incredible

[@SgtFury2007]

I was lucky enough to be part of the Beta for Falcon. It was a great game and still is today! Still have my original's from years ago!

[@AviationPlus]

Part of the beta talk about from the beginning. It is still strong it just the right amount of players.

[@callsignnictmere465]

Falcon BMS is well worth playing. I create my own missions and go from there. Tutorials on YT will minimize the steep learning curve. Excellent video.👍74

[@MrDertien]

Short answer from someone flying DCS and BMS... YES, absolutely.

[@AviationPlus]

I agree that this is the short answer. There are not many reasons to not try it.

[@sky194]

I have owned falcon4.0 from the start, and have 2discs and bought from steam. I have purchased all the huge (collage book looking) manuals when they came out long ago. I hope one day I can spend the time I need to, so I can be proficient at it. Thank you BMS for making Falcon4.0 such a great sim. Micropose bought the copy rights back, so I'm hoping we will see even more improvements coming soon.

[@gromm93]

Yeah, I remember getting Falcon 4.0 back in the late 1990s, and how its complexity basically completely put me off flight sims for a while! Thrustmaster even invented the first commercially available HOTAS replicating the F-16 throttle and stick purely for that game, and I thought it was wildly expensive at the time. Back then, a joystick basically had 4 or 5 buttons and that's it! Aaaand now, I have one that I've heavily modified, built 3d printed rudder pedals for, and put the control stick on a Virpil base. Now, to slog through the manual.

[@HOWNDOG66]

@@gromm93Ya, and I still love my Thrustmaster Cougar HOTAS. Worth every penny I paid 20 years ago. Grab a beer and relax while reading the manual. Hopefully you have a hard copy.

[@IAMSEYMOURMUSIC]

I last played Falcon 4.0 IN 1998, I had no idea it was still going!

[@Flying_Acehole]

I've been playing FALCON since the early 1990s and I have to say that no simulation has fascinated me as much as this one. Falcon (now BMS) has such a dense and realistic atmosphere. That's incredible. When you are on the way to the TP and you see other allies on the way who are currently completing their mission. I have never had this “hand in hand” feeling in any other game. And then there's the dynamic campaign... I love it!

[@cnsapam]

I have had Falcon 4.0 when it was released in the late 90's, also had the Allied Force and saw the transition with community dev on FF and BMS. This have been by fav military flight sim ever. Played many other combat flight sims but Falcon still holds my favourite sim title. With BMS mod, it is becoming better and better everyday.

[@grizzly4736]

I think this is a very fair video that needed to be made. I love BMS and have been flying this SIM back when it started as Falcon 4.0. I know it gets compared to DCS so much and I've always said that once BMS has VR, it will reign supreme. I get frustrated with DCS because the Viper doesn't have the full functions , weapons, and targeting pods like BMS.

[@AviationPlus]

I thought it was pretty fair too. There needed to be a short video explaining what BMS is. This could have easily have been 1 hour long but folks don't have the time for that. Wanted to create a single video that others can point to to explain BMS quickly. Thanks for watching.

[@wallabing]

Played this simulator when i was 7 years old. My school sold this game at the book fair in the cafeteria. Along with Flight Unlimited, Mechwarrior 2.

[@Bobamelius]

It's crazy to me that this is a mod of Falcon 4.0. I remember reading articles about that in PC magazines when I was a kid! Always wanted it but never got around to it.

[@SteveGad]

I have the original game, with the 600 page paper manual. You would not want to drop it on your foot. I had many, many happy hours with online fighter groups, back in the day from the late 90's. It's a steep learning curve, but the upside is that you could literally get into and fly a real F-16, if you've done enough to learn the systems. Sure, the graphics aren't the best (it's from the 90's) and it wasn't really a finished product, BUT it is an amazing experience and you soon forget the graphical limitations. The live radio and ATC interaction is pretty cool as is the in-air refuelling system. I'd recommend any serious aviation fan give it a shot. Just don't expect it to hold your hand. It won't.

[@AnthonyAdrianAcker]

Great video man. I am no where near the level of BMS but I am getting way into DCS. This does look really fun, and I am fascinated by these dynamic multiplayer campaigns. For years I have been craving a large scale open war simulation such as this and what goes on in the Enigma DCS server. The idea that players and AI strategize to hold terrain and supply routes is a really great mechanic I would like to see implemented with combined arms in a large scale way. Perhaps in the next 10 years or so we may see a simulation that can handle that.

[@AviationPlus]

Ya BMS is great I love the ability to see your flight path in 2D, manually set your threat circles, and have a DTC things that are not available in DCS at the moment which is a shame. On the F-16 I cannot stand how the RWR is making it unplayable for me.

[@Turboy65]

I've been playing BMS and the versions that preceded it, since Falcon 4.0 was the new sim in current release, 1999.

[@bulletstop100]

It is awesome..

[@AviationPlus]

It is indeed awesome

[@foxxy46213]

This game is actually amazing... I've been saying it for years...an still very very few even know its name. Had all the mods an the photo realistic cockpits..the missions are so so good..

[@AviationPlus]

Yes it is great. Spent a lot of time on it developing tactics and theories.

[@HOWNDOG66]

I’ve been flying since Falcon 3 and F4 was buggy but still awesome when it came out. I’ve flown it through all its variations, I, RP, E-Razor, Allied Force and finally BMS. I do fly DCS and it’s sound and graphics are cool but F4 BMS is still awesome and won’t drain your bank account for planes and the latest power computer.

[@unwoundbound1957]

It's so funny seeing MY BOOTS as part of the sim, now. I did a pilot texture mod in 2014

[@AviationPlus]

Nice. When was the last time your played?

[@unwoundbound1957]

@@AviationPlus maybe 2014. I switched to DCS

[@toddstrain3629]

I still have my original Falcon 4 three ring binder that came with the blue disc. The upgrade yellow disc version didnt come with a printed manual but an epub. How much of that stuff in those manuals still applies?

[@AviationPlus]

Falcon BMS manuals are online. I don't have the original manuals for Falcon 4 so I can't tell you the similarities.

[@albertpietrosanu2667]

Best F-16 sim , I was so disapointed by DCS f-16

[@AviationPlus]

Ya I have my thoughts about the DCS F-16

[@haitamessaid6319]

Hey I do have falcon 4.0 (I didn't buy it tho). I like it so much although I haven't figured out how to select, lock on, and shoot. But I really enjoy it. I'm so experienced in F-16 fighting falcon (nova logic) I have downloaded BMS from the original website (4GO) but the setup won't launch. Iw there some othet way to get falcon 4.0 improved?

[@AviationPlus]

Need to get Falcon BMS from the official website not sure what 4GO is. There are plenty of videos explaining how to install.

[@stevesteven-gw4zy]

Well explain

[@AviationPlus]

Thanks I needed to precise but quick in an explanation. Good to see I was not far from the mark.

[@fuzzybloodpc9291]

I like bl 40 hud instant install.

[@andrew_maverick]

100000% yes

[@chrisigruber6371]

So i am thinking about getting into bms. I already play dcs and i know the viper block 50 pretty well but now that i am so incredibly fascinated about the reallife things such as weather i wanna play bms so the golden question is it worth changing to bms or play both?

[@AviationPlus]

Most play both but I play BMS more because of two reasons. First, I only fly the F-16 and not really interested in other aircraft and second I have not spent several hundred dollars on DCS modules.

[@akaFrits1]

Once you begin to appreciate realism in functionality more than realism in graphics, you’ll probably lean more towards BMS than to DCS. Plus the dynamic campaign where you really feel like being part of something bigger as a big bonus.

[@AviationPlus]

@@akaFrits1 This is what I try to tell folks but surface level features is what is popular.

[@r4dio4ctiv3man9]

@@akaFrits1 Realism in functionality? Sorry but this is only true for the F-16 and maybe now the F-15C. All other aircraft have copy/paste F-16 avionics. How is this realism in functionality? I´m doing combat flight sims since 1990 and consumed literally everything the market had to offer. Starting with LHX Attack Chopper and F-14 Fleet Defender, Flacon 3.0, 4.0 and played BMS for many years (until 4.34) before switching to DCS. The reason was in fact the arcarde like copy/paste F-16 avionics in my all time favorite aircraft, the F/A-18C. All of those sims have their pros and cons. BMS truly shines with the dynamic campaign (wich is something i realy miss in DCS and would love to see it there) and the F-16, no one doubts that. DCS also has a lot of features, BMS can only dream of. One thing to mention is the proper radar simulation. BMS does a lot of magical calculations in regards of sensors, saving a lot of CPU load. DCS on the other side, has i.e. a proper ground mapping radar simulation. Means, the radar is truly scanning the terrain instead of just showing a pre-saved ground map image on the screen like BMS does. This results in user placed object do actually appear on the ground map image, including correct radar shadow and different resolution depending on the distance. This is something, the BMS engine is just not capable of. If BMS would provide a proper radar (and infrared) simulation / calculation, you would have no chance playing it with a potato PC. Another thing are carrier operations, they just feel arcarde-like in BMS. No proper ICLS, no proper Link-4 automatic carrier landing system. Also the VR implementation in DCS is way better. I could never go back to pancake screen, neither in flight sims, nor in sim racing. I know BMS offers VR support since 4.37, but it is in no way comparable to the VR implementation in DCS. Not in terms of visuals (wich adds a lot of immersion) and not in terms of performance ( i got stable 90fps with a reverb G2, 100% resolution, most settings on high or ultra). It does not support capto gloves (while my capto gloves work like a charme in DCS), wich makes the BMS VR more like a VR mod implementation. Just like the VR mod for GTA V or RDR2, where you can use the headset, but no support for VR controllers. Also multicrew is a thing in DCS. Yes, it still suffers from sync issues, but these have been reduced significantly and it is still a lot of fun. Nothing comes close to a 4 player 2 ship strike with the mudhen, or a coordinated Apache strike with competent CPGs. The flight sim community overall is already niche, the times of flight sims beeing top seller AAA titles are over, sadly. I do not think it is helpfull to fight each other while we have the same love for the sim, even while we are prefering different sims. With all it´s flaws, one cannot deny that DCS does a lot to the overall flight sim community, as ED is very actively trying to make flight sims popular again for a larger range of players. I think that is something to respect, even if one is prefering other sims over DCS...

[@akaFrits1]

@@r4dio4ctiv3man9 What I mean by functionality is about BMS as an F-16 block 50/52 sim. In that respect it is unrivalled in the consumer market. Avionics, weapons, assets, flight model, mission types, almost every aspect is modelled to a high degree of realism. Yes, it has shortcomings too, but the immersion if you strap into a mission in a dynamic campaign, the tension you feel is something I miss in DCS.

[@Fastbikkel]

Most of the difficulty in BMS is in the battle editor ;-) The flying is very accessible in my view. Up until DCS came with an F-16 DLC this was the best F-16 sim out there. I still consider it a gem, but i can understand that new players might stick with DCS.

[@AviationPlus]

Creating a mission is so much easier and takes a fraction of the time when compared to DCS. You can have a mission in about 10 clicks and if you want enemy SAMs and Aircraft 30 clicks.

[@Dee-Jay]

Hi! FYI, F-16 in BMS is much more accurate than DCS one ... one many aspects. Regards.

[@Fastbikkel]

@@Dee-Jay I realise that, but im guessing a lot of newer players will want to aim at DCS because BMS is only F-16 (without mods) I also love BMS, i spent a lot of hours in it but im thinking about getting the F-16 for DCS as well.

[@checksixivan4921]

As someone who is in the process of building a hi-fidelity simpit with the goal of being able to use it for BMS one sortie and for DCS the next - I am finding out that it is a more daunting and complex undertaking to build such a dual-use simpit than I would have imagined at the outset. I understand they both speak different languages from one another and inputs/outputs and data transfer etc is all different, but I thought that could be all controlled by different software configs and networking easily enough to just have an almost literal “BMS - DCS” master switch you could just flip, and all the underlying software manipulation would then take place behind the scenes for either selection - BUT the hardware of the simpit would still be equally viable for either simulation. But as I said it seems the vast majority of pits are dedicated to one or the other sim, but not both. Having said that, what is the input from you all as to which sim route I should choose? VR obviously is not a concern at all for me as I am using a full scale pit with hardware. Graphics are not a showstopper for me either. I am more interested in high fidelity replication of the systems mostly - especially the radar, RWR, ECM, targeting pods, HMCS, etc as well as flight modeling and system failures reproductions (random and selectable). I would like to hear your observations with specific concise comparisons of the two, hopefully without getting into a Ford vs Chevy shouting match. Just an honest adult comparison of the two on the points I mentioned above (or any other features I neglected to mention that would be a big item to have) would be a welcome conversation. Thanks! 👍

[@AviationPlus]

I do not have a pit so I cannot speak to much but The Viper Simmer www.youtube.com/@RainmanHST has a F-16 pit for BMS with Augmented Reality that is coming soon to BMS. As for DCS The Warthog Project has their own pit with the A-10 www.youtube.com/@thewarthogproject. Pick their brains on sim pit specific stuff. As for you question of comparison. If you want to fly the F-16, create a pit for it and don't care about the graphics DO NOT waste your money with DCS. It is night and day when it comes to features, accuracy and modeling.

[@checksixivan4921]

@@AviationPlus Thanks for the input. Could you perhaps give me some more specifics on the night and day differences in the “features” aspects? Much appreciated 👍

[@AviationPlus]

@@checksixivan4921 Ability to adjust transponder in the jet, DTC, Flight Model, BMS has more than just the block 50, SDBs, failures, engine start up parameters, a logical RWR ALR-56M functionality, and BMS has a better environment that is used for missions and not just air quake.

[@checksixivan4921]

@@AviationPlus Thanks - just the sort of info I’m looking for👍

[@checksixivan4921]

@@AviationPlus I also did fiddle with BMS a few years ago on a very basic sim setup. I had Thrustmaster Cougar HOTAS and all I can remember is how hard it was with the joystick setup and button assignments. Plus they seemed to frequently forget everything after some random number of using the sim. It was a real showstopper for me. Is this still the case? I am planning on using Winwing stick and throttle, are these issues fixed by now? Thanks

[@johnwicks4936]

Of course it’s worth it! Wait until the new world graphics update comes out. Also, MicroProse has made overtures of assisting this team. The sky is the limit.

[@AviationPlus]

Oh BMS is totally worth it. I am not sure where I would be if I never started playing.

[@michaelwestmoreland2530]

Which block are ypu flying here? Last time I even looked, the Viper only had 6 wing hardpoints, but youve got 8. That's a HUD frame I've never seen, almost 20% larger than OG, and the MFDs are all color? What black magic?

[@AviationPlus]

Not sure when was the last time you looked at a viper but it has 9 total weapon stations. That HUD called a WAR HUD and it's on the Blk 40 and 42. No black magic here.

[@michaelwestmoreland2530]

@@AviationPlus well, sure, 9 weapon stations, 12 total. I just...huh. Missed a generation upgrade or something.

[@robertwallace4515]

Iv been flying the DCS version of the viper for 3 years now. Just down loaded 4.37 about a week and a half ago and i will not go back to dcs. Everything from the flight model to the systems is impressive and it all just works and that is a breath of fresh air. I still havent gotten into the dynamic campaign yet. The training mission have made me realise that their is still alot to learn. BMS is like having a lockheed martin simulator down loaded onto your computer like somebody eles said in the comments. If the F16 is your bird of choice then you absolutely need to go with BMS. If you care about muh GrApHiCs, then play dcs.

[@AviationPlus]

This is what I try to tell people. If the F-16 is the only thing you are interested in then BMS is the way to go period.

[@bmhead9066]

You will LOVE campaign tho! I think First learn how to make a few squadrons "player controlled" and Learn to set your own packages with Air escort, Attack, and Growler. Get Mission Commander From Falcas ( just google that) In Squadron "advanced option" tab, you can set any squadron to be player controlled or ai controlled. Or add new squadrons.... etc.

[@BanditAviation]

The question is this, is the Falcon 4.0 only focuses on F-16 Falcon? What about other aircrafts like the F-16's and so forth for this game? 🤔

[@AviationPlus]

You just asked if the game focuses on the F-16 and other aircraft like the F-16?

[@BanditAviation]

@@AviationPlus I'm sorry for the confusion, I just woke up and I didn't see what the question what I typed from my android. Are there any other aircrafts besides F16 in this game? That was the question I was thinking to ask but got lost. Gosh I hate waking up asking not knowing what I just type. lol

[@AviationPlus]

@@BanditAviation lol no worries. The F-15C is the second best modeled. Just search Falcon BMS F-15C and you will see. Everything else uses F-16 avionics like the F-18 to an extent, Harrier, and a few MiGs.

[@urrugames4062]

The campaing is just beyond any other sim or game ever created.

[@AviationPlus]

Ya the campaign is like nothing else on the market. There are a few tweaks that would be nice to have or have more clarity of how stuff works behind the scenes.

[@matthewchido8450]

whats the best way to study and learn this game?

[@AviationPlus]

One topic at a time. Using the manuals and videos to learn. Training manual has a good flow

[@JollyGreenFE]

Also, joining a Virtual Fighter Squadron and learning from others also works well.

[@oldfashionedwrx3574]

how do the sams react to sead?

[@AviationPlus]

SAMs have a sense of recognizing HARM patterns and will turn off if they see you turning away. Also some SAMs can shoot down HARMS.

[@peersvensson9253]

SAMs in BMS can execute quite advanced tactics, and will often not engage their firing radar until the missile is in the air, so you can't rely on your RWR to detect them.

[@sorcer3r17]

sometimes the question is: how will you react to a sam ambush? :)

[@oldfashionedwrx3574]

@@peersvensson9253 this is why modern jets can detect missiles in general, even from far away.

[@oldfashionedwrx3574]

@@AviationPlus ok, what's the tactic to fly in an area under sa17 or sa10 cover? What strategies and elements does package require

[@Bombastic0013]

How graphics can be so beautiful? I have max settings and ground or clouds are not so beautiful...

[@AviationPlus]

Maybe sunset helped in that regard

[@2lbsTrigrPull]

What is more realistic? DCS or BMS?

[@AviationPlus]

This is like asking people what religion is better. Short answer Falcon BMS in regards to the F-16 flight model, how it interacts with the environment around it and accurately simulating an on going war. Which is what a combat simulator is supposed to simulate. But graphics are not up par with the popular opinion. DCS in regards to other aircraft and helicopters because DCS has zero competition. Graphics are top of the line but, graphics do not truly affect "realism".

[@2lbsTrigrPull]

@@AviationPlus So BMS it is then. Thanks.

[@networkgeekstuff9090]

I always return back to BMS's instant immersive and meaningfull campaigns from DCS after DCS frustrates me with something, e.g. lack of meaningfull content (e.g. missions/campaigns), performance (no commercial concurence makes DCS devs lazy imho as the graphics is nowhere near adequate for the performance it needs compared to other titles) or the multiplayer content being repetitive (constant team deathmatch) or asks you to spent bazillion hours online on discord groups to try to organize some multiplayer flight.... ain't nobody has time for that! We now got VR and hopefully in 2-3 weeks (internal BMS joke) we get a new terrain engine and after that point I am probably taking a week off to play BMS.

[@theonefrancis696]

You like F-16s a lot? Get BMS You like modern aviation and want to try most of it? Get DCS (but save money to buy modules)

[@AviationPlus]

This is good short explanation

[@captaincurd2681]

BMS is the best.

[@AviationPlus]

I must say it does a lot of things right.

[@captaincurd2681]

@@AviationPlus I had falcon Allied force in my shelve for two year at early stage of my combat sim. Finally had the courage to learn and fight, which took my three year and now I am a falconeer forever.

[@Mawyman2316]

Did you grab this out of ChatGPT or something? It gets really weird and repetitious around the 2 minute mark

[@AviationPlus]

Nope

[@Mawyman2316]

@@AviationPlus gotcha lol. “Your job is to do your job” had me squinting a bit

[@AviationPlus]

@@Mawyman2316 Yup your job to do your job as SEAD, DEAD, Escort, Sweep, Strike etc

[@AceDotBoogie]

Waiting on graphics

[@AviationPlus]

What if the new graphics are not up to what you are expecting? Too many are waiting for things time is something we cannot get back money and hard drive space is replenishable. Thanks for watching

[@MultiJp51]

So you will never get it. Because there will always be a minimum of 10 years lag between up to date graphics and BMS graphics. The whole point of BMS is all the rest. So waiting for graphics to play BMS is just a non sense and a total misunderstanding of what BMs has to offer

[@AceDotBoogie]

That’s fine I’ll wait 10yrs…can’t get over the cartoonish graphics

[@MultiJp51]

@@AceDotBoogie i think you don’t get my point . In 10 years you will find the 2021 GFx cartoonish vs flight sim 2031, therefore you will never play BMs , which is fine because you don’t understand the purpose and interest of it :)

[@robertwallace4515]

Go back to war thunder and call of duty. BMS is not for the tik tok era of simple minded fools any way.

[@AmruMagdy]

AcuI

[@branimirantic3625]

I personally, don't care about having the whole war around me. As a pilot, I fly 2 to 4 hour mission for that day, and I don't care about anything else except my task, which is easily done in DCS. Having the big war theatre is for those who enjoy strategy games and sim which can last for days. The BMS is, however, superior in AI comms, no doubt about it.

[@lik_doyaya]

You are missing the point. You do not need to "care about anything but your own task". You do not need to worry about the "strategy game" part. The "big war theater" isn't just for people who enjoy strategy games, it's there to make your simple pilot experience more immersive and to give it a purpose when playing. In simple scripted missions, you can just fly towards an area not relevant for the mission and feel safe, since there's probably nothing there. That alone is an immersion killer. You don't have that problem when the whole theater of operations is alive and simulated around you.

[@branimirantic3625]

@@lik_doyaya As a pilot, You just need to worry about your task. Other people worry about the rest. And for immersion, I can make missions with more than enough immersion for every pilot.

[@MultiJp51]

@@branimirantic3625 seems you didn’t understand well modern warfare . You really think a COMAO can be a success in ever pilot is focused only on his task ?

[@lik_doyaya]

@@branimirantic3625 Some people don't enjoy playing missions where they know everything that's going to happen (you made it, despite all the "random change" triggers that you put in). Some people don't want to bother creating missions in the first place. Regarding the same "immersion", please post one of those missions that you created which features as many units in an alive world as the dynamic campaign of Falcon 4.0 features.

[@branimirantic3625]

@@MultiJp51 Yes.

[@MetaliCanuck]

Except its not the most accurate representation of the F16. DCS now holds that title. I've played both and have flown the F16 to compare in life.

[@AviationPlus]

When ED releases articles about the flight model and using NASA data let me know. www.falcon-bms.com/articles/flight-model/

[@JollyGreenFE]

DCS is the most accurate representation?? Based on what? How pretty it looks?? Not sure if you noticed, but while ED puts 1000's of man-hours in making its jets look pretty, it leaves everything else half-arsed. Like the flight model, avionics and available munitions to just name a few. And that doesn't address the crappy graphics of buildings and infrastructure or anything resembling a dynamic campaign.

[@theeltea]

​@@JollyGreenFEI am pretty sure you don't even know what a flight model is. Of course DCS FM is superior, no question about it. BMS isn't bad either.

[@theeltea]

​@@JollyGreenFEOh, and at least DCS has a damage model