The Best Genetics Ever - An Alternative List (Part 2)

[@Tcb0835]

Glad you included Samir on this list man. I think he gets forgotten about sometimes but boy did he have a physique that was WAY ahead of it's time. The thickness and detail in that back was astonishing and wouldn't be seen again until Dorian came on the scene. No real weak bodyparts and a posing routine that could leave you open-mouthed. One of my all time favourites.

[@BatmanBoss]

Cormier had fun with it lol he’s one of the greatest.

[@damboulton]

Was disappointed at his response to Chris Bumstead winning the Classic Mr O but his physique is still my favourite of all time

[@reinerwingel6410]

Jon Jones Destroyed Daniel cormier Deal with it lmao

[@iambodybuildingyt221]

Yup

[@iambodybuildingyt221]

@@damboulton same

[@sanjaykakurla4256]

reiner wingel little out of context

[@johnathanvale8634]

For cormier, I would love to workout all the time, then get drunk as hell before a show, so he could look great the next day. That sounds like a life I would love to have

[@riffatislam2003]

Tomn8er please make videos on best quads and calves

[@faizanwar7507]

you should make a series "the best physique of the... (70s-2010s)" and in each video rank the top 10 physiques of that decade, countdown to see which 1 physique from each vid you think would beat the rest at that decades Olympias/arnolds

[@asfanmarkmcgwire]

This! Would be awesome @tomn8er

[@Tomn8er]

Whew now that would be a massive undertaking! I've already got a similar idea on the back burner - top 2-3 per decade, all in one video. Top 10 might be stretching it for the 70s, considering only about 3-5 guys competed at the Olympia most years.

[@glenntipton6226]

To this day, I still believe that Chris Cormier should've placed 2nd in 1999 instead of flex

[@iambodybuildingyt221]

Same even tho flex is my fav bodybuilder

[@damboulton]

Flex was full of synthol, was far from his best

[@staebs]

Goddamn that photo of Nubret, Robinson, and Sergio might be the most genetically gifted trio to ever set foot on a stage together.

[@yussefcheaitou]

ronnie, flex and cormier: 🤔

[@FanammekElsuso]

Melvin reminds me of Phil Heath

[@TheMeridian808]

I saw it too...

[@jacobbrassard2776]

Marko Savolainen should be on the list. He could of easily been Mr O. Best biceps of all time.

[@Maltetren]

Not really he just kinda had great arms

[@franky01ize]

I agree with the comment on 5 foot tall bodybuilders, being that short means you're no where near top of the genetic pool

[@samuelrodrigues2939]

Great stuff as always.. great picks and assessments ;) thanks for the vid

[@thebigpicture2032]

Samir could have put on 15 lbs of muscle on top of his 83 Olympia form and still compete in 212. Robby’s only genetic weakness is sickle cell anemia which may be why he stopped competing for a while.

[@cdjxman]

Fantastic stuff!

[@lolgene4905]

The most underrated bodybuilder from 90s is Momo Benaziza

[@josebarberena9564]

10:19 holy shit look at how his shoulders transform when he hits that pose. Very great names on this list

[@barney2159]

2001 Ironman pro Melvin is my favorite showing in bodybuilding history.

[@emilkinell1935]

Dont forget how robby looks today, instane for 70 years old

[@probitionate]

@ 3:39 One of the last of the premier Y-physique era bodybuilder. (I was always a huge fan of Vince's. Class all the way.) I wish I was a wizard at Photoshop, I'd love to see what he'd look like if he were competing today. (Hey! There's an idea of a new feature! You're such a phenomenal bodybuilding analyst...not that I agree with your take on things _all_ the time...maybe it would be cool to actually _show_ us how competitors could be better by way of a Photoshop artiste.)

[@riffatislam2003]

Tomn8er dude I shall be very pleased If you make a comparison between Shawn ray at his heaviest vs William bonac at the 2019 mr olympia

[@tawon1984]

Brian Buchanan Victor Richards Paul Dillet

[@mikthe2004]

Brian Buchanan for upper body only. Victor Richards? C'mon the guy never EVER got into competitive shape. Paul Dillet - yes - but only from the front. His back was weak and he developed shoulder issues early in his career which didn't help much. Sergio Oliva would be my pic. www.greatestphysiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/sergio-oliva-bicep.jpg Wide shoulders. Tiny Waist. Every muscle long full and thick - even calves!!

[@captain0159]

@@mikthe2004 oliva was ranked first in his official list

[@medicinein3mins480]

Paul Dillet did not squat cos of his back problems so he was doing legpress but he had good legs.

[@utkarshshambharkar2421]

you should make a video on most versatile bodybuilders.

[@terryfonz4603]

My Lord Melvin Anthony was insane at that show!!

[@Indusxstan]

Melvin Anthony was mind blowing. And to think I hadn’t even heard of the guy... what a pity no format exists for bodybuilders who don’t shred/dehydrate themselves for shows.

[@cupidpuneet]

Nice Video Brother, You share good content.

[@BatmanBoss]

Tom! 💪

[@personalemail1632]

Those Bannout back shots are classic.

[@kgokongmalapile7100]

Victor Richard's deserves a mention too even though he never officially competed🤷‍♂️

[@robertprosser6856]

Vince Taylor at 50 looks amazing!

[@97mesut]

1 more guy that could be on the list is Charles Clairmonte imo. Extremely unknown but incredibly aeshtetic

[@MrWilf1980]

Dániel Szabó I agree one of the most underrated pros of his day

[@truthsayerq7264]

100%....a sufficient amount of mass on a statuesque frame, and possibly the most aesthetic front double biceps ever! A little soft at times, but from the front he was every bit as pleasing as Flex Wheeler. IMHO obviously 😊

[@hadiulislam6399]

Tom where’s top 10 back?

[@fathel9221]

My top 5 would be 1. Sergio oliva 2. Paul dillet 3. Ronnie Coleman 4. Cedric mcmilan 5. Phil heath

[@coenh8735]

Cedric better genetics than Phil? Lmao

[@fathel9221]

@@coenh8735 he's got everything phil has, but with a much better frame.

[@coenh8735]

Fathel Beter frame? Ok, he has a better midsection as well but shoulders, arms, pecs, back, legs, glutes and back all goes to Phil

[@سوريقوميإجتماعي-و3ث]

@@fathel9221 phil's arms,legs,back,shoulders and forearms are much better imo.

[@fathel9221]

@@coenh8735 it's close in the delts, back and legs, but cedric has a much wider and thicker chest, while phil has the more complete arms. They're very comparable, but cedric is just too big for phil.

[@JerryRiceBall]

All the 90’s guys were going to the clubs. Ketamine and GHB was a part of damn near every bodybuilders diet in the 90’s. Even Dorian was known for hitting SoundFactory when he was in NYC.

[@barifin6284]

Vince is the guy I wanted to looks like, damn symmetrical looks strong and thick. Also I don't see that his legs are weak tho it's just like the golden days era type of legs but with more muscle mass. It's just perfect to me

[@FunFactsDaily365]

LIKE GEEEEZ MAN YOU ARE SO FIN ENTERTAINING

[@Mrlippro1]

In light of your comment about height, do you still consider Lee Priest worthy of being among the top 10 most genetically gifted bodybuilders?

[@Tomn8er]

Probably but just barely. He'd definitely be dropped below Dillet and Dexter. And only if his minimal use of drugs is to be believed.

[@CC-be3ko]

He is not even close to be in the top 20. Genetics must be measure in how good you would look at your best and not how fast you look good. Do you really think Lee at his best would be able to defeat Jay, Kai, Victor Martinez, Cormier, Wolf, Yates, etc? No, he wouldn't.

[@Tomn8er]

@@CC-be3ko that's not how I look at it. Dorian beat damn near everyone at their best but doesn't mean he was better genetically. And he'd be the first to admit that.

[@CC-be3ko]

​@@Tomn8er That's why i said: " how good you would look at your best" instead of: "how good you look at your best". For example, like you said Cormier was never as professional as Dorian so we can only especulate how good he would've look if he developed all his genetic potential like Dorian. The same goes to Dillet, Wheeler, etc. But Lee Priest is different, he was almost max out. He trained hard for years but some of his bodyparts weren't good enough Like his back, glutes, and pecs. Also because his small frame he could've never compete in mass with biggers guys like Dorian or Ronnie. To sum up, some guys like Flex or Cormier never developed his full potential, while other guys like Priest even at his full potential wouldn't be good enough to compete for the Mr Olympia. Thanks for replied the previous answer.

[@dj_m19]

@@CC-be3ko way too much shitting on Dorian to be honest. There's this myth of him having the worst genetics but the worst worth ethic that was able to overwrite his genetics and turn him into a 6 time Mr. O and one of the best bodybuilders ever. It's a myth. Yes he didn't have the shape or the insertions of these guys but his thin skin and predisposition for that sahara desert conditioning, graininess and overall hardness is second to none. You think Cormier would look like Yates if he trained as hard and dieted as hard? nope. Not to mention that how well you respond to gear is also genetic and Yates might just be the best hyper responder out there with Levrone, Coleman and Ruhl. You don't put on that much size unless you have top tier genetics.

[@quist6154]

Vince Taylor at 50 looks a bit like Kai Greene lol

[@iambodybuildingyt221]

how was LEE LABRADA not on the the list he was very complete and placed ahead of Shawn Ray and many other bodybuilding legends many years😔😡😒

[@Tomn8er]

Labrada was great too, again it's a size/height issue mainly

[@iambodybuildingyt221]

@@Tomn8er but Tom Labrada was an inch taller than Shawn Ray. Shawn was in your top 10 so why wasn't Labrada if he was taller. Placed in second twice just like shawn. Was very complete. Had great posing and presentation. And placed ahead of Shawn until 93. I see what your saying but still I think Labrada should have been on here and what about you opinion on Jay's genetics 🤔

[@georgemavrov1309]

There needs to be a third video where Paul Dillet is mentioned, I just don't see it complete without him.

[@Tomn8er]

He was in the original top 10

[@georgemavrov1309]

@@Tomn8er he needs to be everywhere, he is forgotten

[@Tomn8er]

lol nobody has forgotten Dillet he was a freak among freaks and extremely well known in the bodybuilding community

[@The-Esoteric-One]

You forgot to mention that Vince notoriously trained with very, very light weights compared to the average pro. Most likely helped his longevity.

[@derpfrog5625]

Glad to see Melvin getting props. Phil Hill and Silvio Samuel need props too.

[@brandone.5106]

His extra curricular activity is probably why he never won.

[@Mr1bomb]

So Chris Cormier is now my favourite bodybuilder 🤣

[@vortanoise.2625]

My list: 1Lou Ferrigno 2Ronnie Coleman 3Big Ramy 4Phil Heath 5Flex Wheeler 6Chris Cormier 7Jay Cutler-Lee Haney 8Sergio Oliva-Kai Greene 9Bertil Fox-Dennis Wolf 10Gary Strydom-Dorian Yates 11Shawn Rhoden-Arnold Schwarzenegger 12William Bonac-Roelly Winklaar

[@hungarianbeast]

Hey Tom, and plans on another Q&A in the near future?

[@Tomn8er]

Not really TBH. If people wanna ask questions they can always DM on IG

[@hungarianbeast]

@@Tomn8er I am a technoglical cave man, I don't have ig nor fb :D

[@mikkysavage6753]

Holy crap the last guy have one of the best physic ever what a shame that he is not famous

[@dr.drojondro8403]

Just watched the newest my pro video where Ian won and then to this and it's just like is the lighting bad or was everyone just off how come they don't have hardly any cross striations

[@franciscoeukalyptus6537]

The "muscular density" of Chris Cormier = yeah Rightly expressed!

[@gumpy4960]

Honestly Melvin Anthony’s waist doesn’t look that small on the footage shown. You’re right about pedilla not making the list due to his height but his physique was near perfect in my eyes.

[@ImInLoveWithBulla]

Cormier would bust some heads in classic physique nowadays.

[@davidkymdell452]

He would have to lose about 30 pounds of muscle at least to compete in classic...who knows what that would do to him

[@andersistbesser]

Taylor was not 5.9 in old magazines they always said he was a bit under 5.8

[@andersistbesser]

Melvin anthony was a mix of vince taylor and flex wheeler

[@Retics]

Chris and Vince Taylor genetics were incredible!! They didn't have the wow factor of some mass freaks or the crazy response to drugs but they had just incredible god give shape that would last later in years where the other guys would turn to shit after competing and drugs.

[@jaggeriscoughmedicine]

Bertil fox number 1 and he shares it with melvin Anthony . Not being so dry actually looks more aesthetic

[@shankhamandal9707]

Chris is the name you gotta have if you wanna be a bodybuilder.

[@llorenstorrespr4409]

Melvin coul've been one of the greats.

[@adamiacob8806]

vince taylor also got those arms by curling 12kg dumbells lol.

[@toughluck1966]

Quality list

[@fatboy5926]

Cormier definitely the most underrated bodybuilder ever. 1 of those Arnold classics (might have even been his 6th 2nd place finish) he was robbed against Jay. Robbed as fuck. Absolutely 1 of the most complete builds ever

[@gujakis4688]

Interesting nobody mentions Shawn Ray! For Pete's sake the guy was so aesthetic and so gifted, that hardly in that Department somebody could compete with him. Just look M.Ol 1999

[@andrewcrow183]

I guess he was just too narrow. So his skeletal structure was lacking

[@Lucas-hz4um]

Do you think Paul de Mayo had good genetics? great quads and triceps

[@Tomn8er]

Yes definitely

[@roberttaylor4999]

Samir was not 100% before Haney. In Haney's first Mr O, Samir won it in 1983 and Haney was 3rd. I agree that Haney's back improved year after year but these 2 did cross paths. As to Melvin, yes he had a slim waistline but if you really want to go nuts on the topic, it was Brian Buchanan who I believe had the smallest waist and certainly the best waist to should /back width measurements. He was reported to have a 27 inch waist in competition. Thats the guy you might want to look up.

[@randyle4520]

Tomminater on stage

[@ezelmasina3093]

Mike Mentzer?

[@GVS]

Cormier didn't have any weaknesses, but he didn't really have any strengths, either.

[@Xalashaska]

cormier could’ve broken the olympia record if he had dorians mentality

[@Tcb0835]

Dorian always says the same kind of thing about Flex. He's admitted that he could have been in real trouble if Flex had had his focus and work ethic.

[@marcinmichalski9950]

Probably such lists (not this in particular as a trained eye as yours can catch superior genetics anyway) would make a lot of sense with categorization by era. For example mid and late 90s is a totally different beast than early 90s and 80s due to availability to relatively cheap HGH and insulin.

[@the_liftaholic6403]

yo tomn8er what do you think the best abomination of best parts my picks TRAPS- KEVIN LEVERONE PECS-ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER DELTS-MARKUS RUHL BICEPS-PAUL DILLET TRICEPS-ROELLY WINKLAAR ABS AND OBLIQUES- MUHAMMAD ALI 10PACK QUADS - BIG RAMY CALVES-PAUL DILLET BACK-RONNIE COLEMAN OVERALL MISCLE INSERTIONS -PHIL HEATH what do you think?

[@aad1507]

2011 Phil Heath got all that

[@kemshreddy]

Love your just 1 request please Title this as “best genetics/discipline ever” having good genetics don’t help you lift weight having good height genetics doesn’t make you great at basketball. I’m sick of people not giving proper credit. Didn’t mean to come off as a jerk. It just gets to me man.

[@andrewcrow183]

Kem Lifestyle Tom really isnt a guy who undermines their work. Of course they are some of the hardest workest in the world and the dieting is just insane. But the guys on this list arent the hardest working so that title would be false.

[@ImInLoveWithBulla]

As someone with knee and back problems, I can sympathize with Vince. One tiny wrong twitch in a deep squat and you’re hobbling around like a 90 year old cripple for a month. Huge thighs aren’t necessary anyways *cough cough Big Ramy cough*

[@thebeast5054]

I think luiz freitas has a really really good Christmas tree

[@EGF813]

Samir had no hamstring sweep at all, nothing, zero, zilch. How can you miss that

[@Tomn8er]

Neither did almost everyone back then. Hamstrings and glutes were practically ignored in the 70s to mid-80s.

[@EGF813]

@@Tomn8er title is best genetics EVER , as eras do not matter

[@Tomn8er]

They do matter or Sergio Oliva would've never topped the original list

[@dagimseid6638]

you how to pick the best tom

[@carlawad7785]

Where is edward kawak?

[@etherealpetrichor9572]

Flex Wheeler mentioned in his early carrier that he had a 27.5” waist.

[@سوريقوميإجتماعي-و3ث]

There's no way in hell his waist was as small as oliva's.

[@saine414]

Samir no legs man, no hamstrings at all 😂

[@kieranmurraysnaturalstreng5913]

Am I the only one that sees "juiced to the gills" bodies and not genetics. Any one else out there agree?😃😃

[@CCCPCommunist]

Mike Mentzer?!!?

[@whiteroseproject7207]

I kind of feel like everyone before Dorian doesn't count. Either legs were lacking or the size wasn't there. Also we'll never know how they would have looked conditioned. Some guys physique just kind of melt when they have to get shredded to a striated glute level conditioning. Like everyone knows Jean Pierre Fux looked like Mr. O in the gym but it just didn't translate well on stage. Edit: not saying these guys weren't great bodybuilders just there's so many variables we can't account for.

[@WildAsDaTaliban]

Samir bannout literally had no lower body. He won an Olympia off of that back alone.

[@bestdocincanada6620]

5:41 really???

[@jaggeriscoughmedicine]

Cormier is the better version of flex. Even better genetics and symmetry but once again like to have fun and didn't give 100%

[@mr.olympiacutler1829]

I think Jay Cutler had/has very good genetics. Just look at the pictures from when he was a teen. My opinion.

[@aldistapm2518]

Vince structure is far better than dexter imo. Very underrated talent

[@kevinmccarthy8746]

Fantastic calves and taller. Not strait if he is in a bathroom. Nice posing. CALVES!!!

[@axelgonzalez7830]

Vic Richards should be in the list for sure

[@davidchen2866]

Underrated but Bob Paris and Mohammed Mokkaway

[@franciscoeukalyptus6537]

Hey, You sure know a lot Chris Cormier = hottie (nice to learn about him ! Vince Taylor = Hottie!

[@Thomasrice07]

Bob Paris and Flex Wheeler

[@edwakezzel7486]

Melvins physique...with a lil more mass and polished ...he would of cause some damage

[@rahulmanogaran8643]

U missed Bertel 🦊 fox

[@sage6336]

Dennis Wolfs calfs

[@alsemporiumoffitness9144]

Someones like spices development lol

[@franciscoeukalyptus6537]

Yeah, Samir Bannout Hottie from Lebanon Love that 'stache!

[@richfeather]

Golden era genetics: Mentzer and Padilla. I’d rate both above Robinson although Robbie did have great biceps.

[@seanheisey8645]

That lower back is fucking scary. Wtf.. I didn't even know that could happen to that extent. If this was a picture taken today, Id say it was filtered and photoshopped. That is CONDITIONING! Hes like 10K calories away from dying here. Wow.....

[@MMAFan20]

Bill Grant still looks good in hid 80s

[@watchmen6666]

Best genetics ever is phil heat - 2011 arnold classic

[@DavidSmith-iz8fw]

The cocaine diet workes for me just saying

[@70thomson]

Bertil Fox

[@markyates9712]

That lasts guys physique looks very impressive? Do you know his best place at the Olympia? And don’t you think he could have been an honourable mention on your most aesthetic bodybuilder list? Great video Tom

[@phiten40]

Melvin placed 6th once at the Olympia. I think it was 2004? Not 100% on the year.