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[@OukerTeams]

6:43 Chris Wilson casually doing a cameo. Nice one rudy

[@MrMultiGamer]

The guy who owns it doesn't want to be filmed cause then it'd be harder to resell ;) jkjkjk

[@dsagent]

When the guy wasn't looking Rudy switched the other real ones with fakes.

[@jomama8895]

douche

[@TheDMSHA]

Hahahah, thanks for the good chuckle man.

[@fsmoura]

_Switching Rudy_ with _Shifty Investments_

[@sunnycorax]

I only play Magic casually with friends for the most part but this channel is so fun to watch I can't help but subscribe.

[@marcmarc1967]

Antiques Rudeshow.

[@meisterman0169]

Rudy, I want a jewelers loop, which one would you recommend?

[@alexandreboily8557]

I see Chris Wilson from Grinding Gear Games, i like:)

[@gootvansquid]

Rudy + anyone else: I bought a box of Iconic Masters, and under the... whaddaya call it, the inner tray? Under the inner tray in the box was a shiny, spanking new looking 2018 penny. But it was actually a great box (for Iconic anyway) - I paid $130 and the value inside was roughly $200 in rares (excluding rares worth under $2). Were they still printing Iconic Masters this year? If not, no idea how a 2018 penny got in there.

[@Arisawa_Heavy_Ind]

Isn't Mishras Bauble from coldsnap now at like $5 max?

[@davidrobinson1872]

It was nice to see the guy opening packs make some money. Seems a good guy. Congrats.

[@justincondello]

Light test is pretty much the definitive test for checking a fake. Then checking the details like font and such

[@smurphftw2008]

The last time I was this early, a non-counterfeit Mox was easily affordable.

[@JasperJanssen]

It wasn’t easily affordable in 1994.

[@Ottawa3453]

Mishra's Bauble got reprinted in Iconic Masters - Basically a 5 dollar card now.

[@carter9449]

magus too, hopefully that guy sold them

[@dino-wer-kuh3498]

whats chris wilson doing on GP vegas? 5:06 on the right

[@fsmoura]

8:49 The Professor making moves on the hot grills (O.O )

[@dark_s1te797]

How can i contact you for a deck price check? I Think you will find it interesting

[@oscarcampos8396]

How much is a revised starter deck go for nowadays?

[@Earthboundmike]

I pulled a Foil Tarm and a tarm out between 4 masters packs from that set. That was nuts.

[@Earthboundmike]

Modern masters? The foil was worth 350 at the time.

[@xaxabel]

man you guys have the coolest lives

[@lmrbeerbellyl]

Glad I got all my dual lands when they were standard legal.

[@fsmoura]

riffle shuffle raw on the pavement or you're not truly alive

[@_donny_9473]

Nice catch! Definitely sell it for 3X it's value now that you it has this knowledge applied to it!

[@KelvinTrading]

The floppy card test (bending test) good to show how you can see if the card is fake or not. Put the card in the binder and I think many people will buy it.

[@fatheadsnake]

Magic should make a Rudy card...I would for sure buy it

[@terryfeynman]

Rudy has quite a few made by fans ;) He shows some of the best in certain videos like revenge of the card boards shop has a few examples, don't know which episode though (i think the one pre vegas or after vegas, which means like episode 9 or 10 or so)

[@LucidLegend1984]

I'm going to leave the old school 1k+ cards to the experts. These fakes are getting better and better everyday

[@wildwest8069]

You mean the people who are secretly printing these fakes and passing them off? (Not everyone can be trusted, it's possible.)

[@terryfeynman]

Daniel Chang is absolute trustworthy. He very publicly deals vintage professionally. If it ever came out he sold a fake, his reputation would be ruined. Not even an alpha lotus would be worth that, because the rest of his collection would lose easy 20% since people stop trusting him, and I would say that collection is in the high 6 figures at least, if not the low 7 figures.

[@TheKrismage2000]

LucidLegend1984 one day, when the well’s dried up, the proxies will be better.

[@endlessannie8620]

proxy card quality is already better than wizards shit card stock

[@vectorlord8486]

That playing mat is really cool where can you get it?

[@Ormstunga]

Oliver Mansell from Daniel Chang's site. Vintage Magic

[@lorewyn3386]

Bauble is $50?! I got like 12 of them at my moms house form back in the day!

[@drewbot78]

Spotted a wild Chris Wilson @ 6:40

[@matthewwatt1542]

Prof's too busy practicing his light test. :D

[@KromeDrone]

Eventually these counterfeit cards will get to the point that trying to discern which is real and which is fake will have to come short of ruining the actual card. It's literally only a matter of time. I saw a rebacked Lotus the other day and I didn't notice any of the stuff this dude stated on it, and the guy knew it was rebacked because he bought it intentionally like that.

[@banditkeithkingofduelmonsters]

If a fake is identical to a real card, will it be considered fake? At what point is it just a reprint?

[@sligovolts]

Then a lot of people will have to actually enjoy the game instead of living off speculation.

[@terryfeynman]

Problem is you need a real one to compare, and who has that lying around like this ???? Those rebacked you can always tell, IF you have a comparison ready. The font is simply slightly different, as he had shown here. I believe even a common would be good for comparison, and that font will never change.

[@CardboardCreationism]

They say the same shit about baseball cards. That has yet to be done.

[@jayfranky3519]

KromeDrone people have been saying thatvfor years. Like for the past 10 years

[@MrTranker]

no way ..crazy days ahead

[@jeremyb5468]

Foxy's are the way to go I've got a shitload of them I got my real cards too but magic getting too expensive too many sets I rather just have the proxies they play the same and they look the same I'm not trying to sell him I'm just trying to have fun

[@andrewlaverghetta715]

How much do counterfeit cards matter for people who just play to play and not invest? Obviously he spent a lot of money on that card, but as somebody who is coming back to the game after a break since middle school, do tournaments check that hard for people who might have counterfeit cards on purpose?

[@andrewlaverghetta715]

Basically, what stops people from using on original, counterfeit cards for play.

[@UndeadDante]

2:57 "The thiccness looks pretty good"

[@Clabian96]

Had to sneak in some pack openings at the end. Came for the fake Mox stayed for Futuresight

[@ryangore9920]

What is this, a crossover episode?!

[@420Pikachu]

Antiques roadshow

[@RipplzMusic]

good finale

[@OneOfDisease]

Im crazy enough too open 7 booster packs from 8 years ago? Seriously is this a thing now? If id have saved 10 packs of mirrodin people would have made a big deal of me opening a darksteel colossus?

[@Backiinthegame]

This is why quite frankly I don't mind if abu cards are slabbed even if they'e a low grade. Whatever if there's no premium for it. At this point just the card being authentic is a big thing.

[@MSUHitman]

I hope the guy opening packs sold his Magus & Bauble before the reprints.

[@barath4545]

Try and get the fake one graded. If it bounces with Beckett, try it with PSA. Just wanna see if it comes back in a case.

[@terryfeynman]

What I do not understand is why nobody fakes cases and these stickers for the fake cards. In the case plus sleeve the really good ones would easily pass, especially since people trust Becket and PSA and do not look as hard as they would look at a raw one.

[@emprox1]

i've always wondered this too actually. wouldn't it be possible to just buy the same exact cases psa uses?

[@terryfeynman]

You could simply have them produced, and then fill them with fake duals from revised for example, since they could be easier absorbed by the market then the extreme expensive ones, and it would be way less obvious. Simply claim you are a collector that is desolving his collection, or part of it, or you want to buy power and finance it this way. And faking the stickers cannot be that hard either. Stick to psa so you do not need subgrades, plus who checks the stickers if they are fake ? Ever seen anybody do it ? They maybe look at the number and look at the card if the grade makes sense, but that is it.

[@danielfeigley9144]

They have graded them as "authentic"

[@danielfeigley9144]

terryfeynman part of the problem is the identification number.

[@Obelisk_Isle]

Wow, Mishras bauble did use to be 40-50 bucks I thought everyone was just taking a wild swing. Sure as shit ain’t $50 now

[@Ifeno]

Gotta be honest, as a casual player I'm terrified of buying reserved list cards at this point. I would never be able to identify the fakes and would probably get my ass scammed into the ground.

[@succatash]

They all even had a print dot in lower left hand corner

[@JasperJanssen]

Those aren’t print dots. All a/b/CE/ice is basically the card, with a black border including round corners around it, and then a black frame is placed around that. Basically seems like a miscommunication between Richard Garfield and the printers about whether the printers needed the artwork delivered without borders, or with, in order to produce the cards. This is why the borders are so thick in these sets - there’s basically two borders around the card frame instead of one. If you have an actual beta card (of any rarity), really look at the border - you can quite clearly see the two different shades of black, and the rounded corners of the inner border peeking out.

[@graffitineverdies]

It's not true that the value of the faked Mox Ruby is 0. There is also a market for well done counterfeits. I would be willing to pay 20 USD for example. Perhaps more.

[@Lasttruegrafters]

Rudy is savage 😂

[@hibashira8594]

wait a minute, what is chris wilson doing there?? did you do some creepy things together, rudy? did he touch your atlas cloth? did he tell you where to catch the biggest and rarest fish?

[@jacksonhill4431]

Rip bauble worth like 5 bucks now

[@DataCollaborate]

..in 2018.

[@C4ndleJ4ck]

It's so nice to see the Professor not talking to a tripod for once... Oh wait, it's Rudy ;)

[@TheDeathplz]

It's a Drop Shadow FYI :p

[@xymoriintus]

You're a drop shadow

[@randyrandalman8234]

Rudy it's 2018 and you're still releasing videos for vegas 2017 lol

[@xymoriintus]

I bet he has more to be released too

[@terryfeynman]

What always pisses me off is that the bazar has become this big thing. I saw back then what a cool card it was, especially combined with sylvan library and the one or other howling mine, but nobody realized it's potential back then. I had 4 of them and bought them for around 20 bucks each, and I sold them for 25 to be able to afford an Ali from Cairo. Today I could get easily 4 Ali's for one of them, tragic. Legends it is similar, the big chase cards back then where completely different. Moat was a bulk rare, while mirror universe was one of the most expensive cards in the set. Today you could get 2 for a single moat. A tabernacle was not exactly bulk, but far from being a chase card. I originally bought my bazars for my fun deck (we had house rules for these fun deck : must have at least 100 cards and must have at least 10 cards from each color as well as 10 artifacts.. To avoid being mana screwed too often we allowed 6 birds of paradise, though the did not count towards the 10 green you had to have, and 6 times city of brass and you could have as many duals as you wanted to. Back then duals where like 8 bucks for light played, so we had duals only. That I sold all of them back then is my biggest regret. Today I could buy a new car for that deck : 4 times bazar of bagdad and about 40 dual lands, plus a ton of fun cards from sets like Legends, Aabian nights and Antiquities. I played them because many people did not know the cards, and thus where often quite surprised at what my cards did. Had some heavy combos, like wall of swords (3/5 flying) play animate wall on it, and that red glyph from legends (gives target wall +10/0 until end of turn and you need to destroy that wall at the end of turn) , and suddenly you had a 13/5 flyer attacking you, that died at the end of turn. Or camouflage was also a fun one, you declared attackers, then you took the card, mixed them, and put them backside up on the table, then opponent declared defenders. If that leads to an illegal block, that creature is unblocked that turn. Back then a booster box of Arabian nights was already 700 bucks, and that was early 95, crazy. Even legends and antiquities where like 400 already. 2 friends and me bought A BOX EACH with our christmas money (we each got a 13th salary for Christmas, pretty common here in Germany). Oh how I wish today I had kept all the cards instead of selling them, but we thought magic is jumping the shark, since the set that came out where all not really good. Homelands, fallen empires, ice age, and don't even get me started on chronicles. Many cards I had like killerbee lost 80% value practically overnight, and never really recovered. Killer bee's where 80$-100$ pre chronicles, not even today I would get that much.

[@Ethan.s..]

terryfeynman I use to own the original Killer Bee’s art. It had a interesting story that came along with it too. The person I bought it from in 2007ish won it in a tournament as a first place prize back in 1994. Get this, the 2nd place prize was a complete set of Beta. Funny story haha. He was a bit bitter in 2007, and wished he had come in 2nd place.

[@terryfeynman]

@ Ethan you might want to talk to Daniel Chang about that picture (the guy in the video, he has his own channel Vintage MTG) , they are worth a pretty penny man. Of course it really depends on the card for which you have the original art, and the set. He has quite a few pieces of original art for sale on his website : www.vintagemagic.com/store/art-sketches.html for example the original art for the Thorn Thalid from fallen empires is currently on sale for 3300 $. I would imagine that the killer bees are worth a lot more, since they are from a much more in demand set, and from a much cooler card. That means this could easily be 5 figures worth. He also has the original art from Serra Angel, but not the card, the comic cover, and that is worth 25k. He has another Legends original art "Shimian Nightstalker" for roundabout 10k, and the original for chain lightning for 60k$ (and for that prize you could get a set of beta, not gem mint, but light played should be doable). My guess for killer bees would be somewhere in between. I don't know how legendary that card today is, which largely dictates the prize. Chain lightning is of course a vintage staple, even more so in 93/94, and very recognizable. My guess is that the original for Serra Angel card design would be worth even more, since it not only has that cool factor of being such a famous card, but the artwork is also very pretty, while chain lightning pales in comparison. Don't get me wrong, still a cool picture. It is not a set of beta, but I bet it is A LOT closer then you thought.

[@terryfeynman]

@ Jay Kenley every now and then, yes. But nobody could have predicted that magic would still be around so many years later. As I said when I sold my collection I was reasonably sure that magic was dying, and wanted to sell them before to many other have the same idea and there are no buyers left. After legends it was downhill STEEP. I mean Legends, the Dark and Fallen empires, and you could get a full booster box for for 2.5 legends boosters, as for fallen empires, you would have to put like 50 bucks on top of a whole booster box to get a single booster of legends, and legends is the cheapest of the 3 first expansions. For a booster Arabian nights you could get 4 boosters of legends. Then came that chronicles debacle, ice age was a little bit upwards again, but not by that much. Many sets printed a lot later and in far higher numbers, like tempest for example, are worth way more then say the dark (I believe you could get 2 booster boxes of the Dark for a single one of Tempest, and might get some money on top) So the later boom of Magic was back then absolutely not foreseeable. Last but not least I was young and needed the money ;)

[@Ethan.s..]

I use to own it. I sold it a couple of years after I bought it. Daniel Chang use to buy cards from me 10-15 years ago.

[@terryfeynman]

I didn't think you would be mocking me, I just tried to explain how it was back then cause not many people playing magic today have experienced that time. And a lot of it was awesome, like 2 friends and me bought together 1 box each of Legends, Arabians and Antiquities, and a few beta booster (paid for everything like 550 or so each). I even got lucky and drew a time twister, plus having beta lands/cards in your deck just looks awesome (the standard sets at the time where all white border, so it was quite obvious when you played with beta cards instead of revised/fourth). Opening these was really something special, a true collectors item at the time (let alone today.) So while I am sad I no longer have these cards, I made experiences back then many players today can only dream of. You know holding a pack in your hand, that could contain a Black Lots or a Mox, and opening it was damn cool. Would I do it for the kind of money they cost today ? Maybe when winning the lottery ^^

[@sarahlawrence2413]

Do u even play bro?

[@TylerPlurden88]

The mana cost “0” is a big give away too

[@In_swedish_the_jam_means_sylt]

in a couple of years AI will perfect font and colour duplication.

[@Ethan.s..]

stigmau5 and a few years after that AI will take over the Earth.

[@GlennTheSadMarinersFan]

the guy may be a collector only.. but I assume he can still play that ruby... so it can't be really worth 0.

[@Ethan.s..]

The casting cost is 0

[@CristianUrenaYGO]

Mishras bauble rip

[@Intrepid_Explorer]

BRB; gonna go buy a Collectors Edition Mox Ruby.

[@chipsonsteroids]

The best counterfeits aret those you didn't notice yet.

[@terryfeynman]

this is not a counterfeit, it is a genuine card, but collectors edition, which is worth a whole lot less.

[@kevinhdo90]

Doesn't really add up. I thought fakes from 8 years ago were trash?

[@Cosper79]

Chang acting like he has some sense for once.

[@mtgmeansmagic4758]

Hey fellas! So yea, that was definitely a thing, my bud back in HS trashed 4 complete CE sets to do this kinda stuff

[@terryfeynman]

IT still is today more then ever. You can get a collectors edition lotus for under 1k bucks, and it is black boarder. Take an alpha common, do your thing, and suddenly you made like 1000% profit.

[@Ethan.s..]

I remember in 2003 first seeing some CE and IE cards with extensive, self inflicted damage. The part that said Collectors’ Edition would be sanded down or in a couple of cases literally burned.

[@Billy-bd2oe]

Love the dude who grabs his dick at 2.40 LOL

[@marumiyuhime]

WOTC should just reprint the P9 and end this bs we condem the reserve list

[@MYLFOOD]

Obviously this was rebacked by Rudy.

[@eko2_]

Why are none of these in sleeves?! I hate when people do this

[@sligovolts]

Eko 2 these guys have so much money that for them these are like 2 USD cards for us

[@terryfeynman]

because to really analyze these cards, and look for small details, you have to desleeve them. Even Rudy says the good ones on a thick sleeve can pass, only once you take them out you can tell.

[@eko2_]

terryfeynman I understand that, but you have them just sitting there on the counter, being moved around and slid everywhere. These will get damaged is what I am saying. I could only pray to get one of these EVER! I would treat it like gold!

[@lolzomgz1337]

Eko 2 Welcome to the side of capitalism that nobody wants to acknowledge.

[@Chris-dq6eq]

Building Rudy a female friend, day 3. Progress 7.67%

[@NumberFreak2000]

One day the counterfeits will be completely indistinguishable from the the real thing.

[@marcmarc1967]

That day may have already arrived. We would never know.

[@yawgmoth5662]

Unlikely.

[@Supernov4]

People have been saying that for over a decade but it's not as easy as you think. From the depths of the internet as to why: The dot pattern you see is a moire pattern, and is a result of the offset printing press process. There are four different colors of ink that are printed out as a set of halftone dots (a “dot screen”), and each screen is at a different angle. The interference pattern created by the overlaying of these differently angled screens is the moire pattern. When someone wants to produce a counterfeit card using an offset press, they are not going to have access to the original artwork that Wizards used to print the card, so they are going to have to scan a card. That scan will not have the same amount and quality of image data as the original art scan, and will likely need to be blurred to eliminate the original moire pattern in order to have an image that can be used to create a new halftone screen for the counterfeit. This means that close examination of the card’s art will likely always reveal some telltale differences, even if the rest of the layout gets more sophisticated.

[@Gashnaw]

Wait his name is Bryan Or is it Brian, oh well i Oh well it is pronounced the same way.

[@dmvlog8843]

can he just pass the hosing down? the cycle of hosing

[@godfireprime]

first of all Anime Imports in is Pacfica not San Francisco. Professor needs to go back to Tolarian for a class in geography.

[@redfox16]

this makes me afraid my tundra is fake :(

[@AlexisIcon]

Walk around and ask the vendors, only 2.699999% will know it's fake

[@justryangeorge]

I hate that gold border/championship cards are called fakes. They were made by wizards. At least give them some respect, proxy/Play test/discount versions, but not fakes.

[@MX-hu9qy]

Yes!!!!

[@jimgauth]

Only good guys will TELL you it's fake. They need to sell blockchain based art, publish it online, and sell cheap proxy cards.

[@topnepCh.]

Bunch of adults getting exited over printed cardboard... I'm in!

[@xDukii]

How can he see that it's fake when he's squinting all the ti.e

[@monkeibusiness]

Well, if WotC isn't reprinting some cards, the chinese will do it. This was obvious when they started the reserved list. You shouldn't be looking into Moxen so much, but rather into goyfs and fetches/shocks and all the modern playable stuff. I wonder how much fakes are sold there.

[@MrNotBot]

Lots of them on Ali Express. I bought basically everything expensive in Modern there and without scrutinizing the cards it's hard to differentiate them from real ones. Entire manabase, mox opals, lillis, jaces, bloodghasts, vials, bobs and snappys...All for 150ish eur.

[@TheKrismage2000]

See WotC, people are getting greedy because of your doing.

[@ghost2coast296]

REEEE i hate how all these people give the cards that corner snap to the table on

[@MX-hu9qy]

😀

[@nin1134666]

He got a old school rebacked mox this close to perfect, 8 years ago? Seems strange when we saw such poorly made fakes until a year or two ago. Just sayin....

[@Ethan.s..]

Brian Cuellar one is a real card that has been rebacked, the other is a completely fake card. Rebacked cards have been around since at least the early 2000’s. Different people did it, some did it better then others.

[@MX-hu9qy]

First

[@hanedorm]

MX WSTRMN ok.

[@saltybear8734]

ok. I'm good with fakes.

[@powmanr44]

Rudy you should let Daniel post his own videos, his content just isn't good.

[@cherrybomb6451]

Like

[@tehjamerz]

Cherry Bomb dislike

[@cherrybomb6451]

tehjamez awesome

[@salsaespacial]

do a video for the fake signed lotus you kept relisting on ebay :D

[@VidyaMexican]

real :]

[@terryfeynman]

@gamebot, you do not get the joke, someone claimed the signature would have been faked by Rudy, despite the fact that for most collectors a signature would mean it is no longer mint and thus less valuable. So it makes no sense whatsoever to do that, but that guy keeps making that claim and trying to get people to believe him.

[@AlphaCompRepair]

isn't that the same guy who got banned for harassing women for cosplaying at conventions?

[@terryfeynman]

I think you mean Jeremy from unsleeved media, and that was utter bullshit. He made ONE video about her calling her out for constantly begging people to pay money to her patron, which is fair criticism and not harasmant. Others then made fake claims about him and mass flagged his twitter etc. and THAT led to the ban with no evidence whatsoever. So the only person in that story who was really harassed was Jeremy

[@AlphaCompRepair]

ahh okay thanks for clearing that up?

[@Bademester]

Come on - just do the light test! Easy to tell this is fake - magic expert lol!

[@barmstrong003]

This is what happens when people invest in a card board card game. WotC needs to do away with the reserved list and make money. It obvious people like eternal formats and are willing to get fakes in order to play. Just mass print expensive cards so they can make money on the primary market. Support your player base and give what your customers want. If not fakes are going to flood the market anyways and the players are going to be the ones that suffer, like this poor person on this video

[@sligovolts]

Brent Armstrong exactly. As is, there's a huge inventive to print fakes, and we know they will only get better and better. Change the incentive and the mofos will resort counterfeit something else instead of cardboard prints.

[@terryfeynman]

They did that with chronicles, and it nearly meant the end of magic, since people where beyond pissed. Their sales plummeted,since people boycotted en masse, and I mean the guys that bought by the box, which back then was still quite rare. You cannot have a TCG with such a huge secondary market, when people cannot trust you. That is a mistake they will not repeat. It would be like making a new set where suddenly Goyf or Lilliana where common cards. People would stop collecting or investing in expensive cards, since they could suddenly drastically lose value. Destroy the second market and you destroy magic, since that market carries magic. A sizable chunk of their cards go to mass box openers and to people who buy by the box to break them down into singles and trade/sell. Destroy that and magic easily loses 30% profit at least practically overnight. As for fakes, why are there no good fakes o baseball cards ? Many of them are worth more then magic, are easier to fake, and yet nobody ever managed to get it good enough for pro's, and that will keep being like that

[@TheKrismage2000]

Brent Armstrong and it promotes greed. I mean, skip the power 9 , at least reprint the duals to increase player base in eternal formats. there’s no point in making Eternal Masters if the damn lands needed to play the format are all behind a glass counter.

[@barmstrong003]

Terry I never got into trading baseball cards but there was no game to them. So they were trading cards not a TCG. Magic is a TCG. They should focus the G of TCG and make a good game that people want to play not an investment portfolio. The reason there are so many fakes is people want to play the game but not spend $1000s to play competitively. It's going to get to a point where they will have to allow for proxies in competitive play if enough people want to play. So they will ether need to get rid of the reserve list or allow proxies. If they don't want to screw investors then allow proxies so people don't have to worry about getting good fakes and then investors don't have to worry about buying good fakes. WotC will never allow it because it decentivies people from buying their product. But again they are decentivizing more people from entering the game because to cost to enter their best formats are too high.

[@TheKrismage2000]

Brent Armstrong very well said.

[@trent0233]

I’m curious when the last time this asian dude has played an actually game of mtg. Seems like a money hoarder than a lover of the game. Depressing to see people take a game a lot love and turn it into a money grab.

[@VinylCP]

So many dodgy things! Fingers crossed that Fake Chris Rush signature doesn't reback it's way onto eBay, as authentic, again.

[@VinylCP]

There was a particularly iconic card which had a 'Christopher Rush' signature, this signature had previously been shown to his ex-agent and was 'believed to be fake', he reconfirmed personally with a public post when people asked for more evidence and weren't convinced by the community input. It has been taken down from Ebay multiple times and keeps popping back up with "SIGNED by Christopher Rush Magic The Gathering MTG AUTHENTIC" in the title, which is about as close as you can come to saying "Authentic Signature" while keeping your butt safe from claims. Iirc the description also said "Signed by the LATE Rush". I belive it has also only been listed etc on ebay since rush passed, so take that how you may.

[@theheavee]

Larry Lady Hair!?! What a backpedaling WoTC shill. Slightly dissapointed, but hey, what are you going to do?

[@MichaelKasifMusic]

It's a bit ridiculous that you'd buy pieces of cardboard as investments when almost anything is better. It's really seedy and shifty what people do, that's what happens when the thing their replicating is a drawn picture of layered cardboard. Eventuality fakes will be unrecognisable for the most part. Buy cards because you like them not for financial value. And if you like the cards buy the damn proxies if their $2,000! I mean what a waste of money! That's a lot of money to literally throw down the sink for the smallest framed art work.

[@DaPreach90]

Michael Kasif a waste of money? You mean that colored paper with no intrinsic value whatsoever? Hmm trading useless paper for useless cardboard seems like a fair trade. Ben Franklin has crappy power and toughness for a vanilla creature anyway.

[@MichaelKasifMusic]

M S a real black lotus can have whatever feelings attached to it, but it's literally 1993 cardboard you're paying for. And yes all of those you mentioned are ridiculously silly. You're not buying THE artwork of the black lotus, the original, you're buying a rendered image. So it's not even the same then, it's worse than buying the original painting.

[@MichaelKasifMusic]

M S I'm a poor renting commie bitch for seeing a bad investment in my opinion, and thinking the logic to buying them is stupid in my opinion? People can do whatever they want. And I can say what I want. I'm not renting, in fact I've never had to rent in my life. I make money and I'm my own boss. I already do what I want to do in life and I'm 26. I have everything I've ever wanted and more. Do you think I'm complaining because I can't afford things? That's more a reflection of your projection than my actual opinion on the matter. Like I said buy cardboard if it makes you happy. I have an expensive foiled out cube, basically the only thing I've spent money for magic on. I don't value it for rarity, I value it for its functionality and joy it gives to the people I play with and myself as a custom prized possession in regards to magic. I think you're just angry I think your perspective is stupid. Sorry, opinions exist, we not in a "commie" world bro.

[@MichaelKasifMusic]

M S wasn't it you that said "fuck you for trying to make people what to think" and then tell me what to think? Magic has always been like anything else that people invest in. You make money or lose money. If you actually want to make money and remove your obsession for cardboard you will make more. People invest in magic because they like magic AND want to try make money. It's just a worse investment. If you think it's hard to believe I've never rented, have everything I want in life and doing what I want to do then I got no idea what to say. Is that really something to lie about? Not sure why you're so angry and trying to act like poverty is something to laugh about. On that topic, people would be a lot less poor if people used efforts to try help others than just invest every dime into slow returning pieces of cardboard. Is my opinion wrong? Do you really think I'm bitter or are you trying your best to just imagine that to make yourself feel better?

[@MichaelKasifMusic]

Well the property I'm on went from $95k to 2.1m from mid 90's to now. And your sentences are breaking down, I think you're actually trolling - not many people this thick, stupid or insecure to keep continue saying really random things like the MTG market is great. Well, this guy just got scammed out 2k or so. How was his investment? What do you do in a few years when there's such subtle differences from proxies it isn't even worth it? Like i said do what you want. I still think it's idiotic. If you want to do something I deem idiotic go for it. It's not changing my mind though, I'll invest my money on something else.

[@y2j1490yahoo]

when you look like that , do not wear a tank top.