The Best & WORST Bosses in Shadow of the Erdtree (Ft. Zanny)

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The Act Man

The Act Man

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@TheActMan
@TheActMan 5 ай бұрын
Act Man and Zanny have some heated discussions about Shadow of the Erdtree's bosses as they rank and rate them in a tier list! My opinions are objectively correct and his are objectively incorrect!! Subscribe to Zanny ➤ www.youtube.com/@theonlyzanny
@DOOMStudios
@DOOMStudios 5 ай бұрын
This is gonna be gooddd.
@YS_Y_YT
@YS_Y_YT 5 ай бұрын
the act man p review Don’t starve together it the bests survival game
@SilverViper1000
@SilverViper1000 5 ай бұрын
Just want to again say thank you for the halo videos a few yeses ago. You helped me through a rough time and helped me remember better times and to see it's worth going through hard times.
@SilverViper1000
@SilverViper1000 5 ай бұрын
Oh and... Great vids most of the time. Love your objective view on things. I really appreciate you trying to be as objective as possible.
@ShadixThunder
@ShadixThunder 5 ай бұрын
I believe we should make hippos extinct due to that mistake of a creation. I have conquered gods in their domain, defeated the pinnacle of warriors in fair combat and a spiky hippo head crushing me is the definition of from soft games. I'd give him a D for death.
@Rusty._
@Rusty._ 5 ай бұрын
I'm impressed that you both moved through the whole Rellana segment without a single ballsack joke.
@broccolin
@broccolin 5 ай бұрын
I'm proud
@Big_smoke69445
@Big_smoke69445 5 ай бұрын
RUSTY
@Big_smoke69445
@Big_smoke69445 5 ай бұрын
It’s your turn for the boss ranking Rusty everyone else did it already 😩
@OliverMartinRugby12
@OliverMartinRugby12 5 ай бұрын
@Rusty._ boss ranking when?
@trenchgaming2166
@trenchgaming2166 5 ай бұрын
The What's your overwatch 2 main says about you video is calling from the grave Rusty
@theonlyzanny
@theonlyzanny 5 ай бұрын
I have now beaten Radahn. A for sure 🔥
@musa9999
@musa9999 5 ай бұрын
i dont trust u
@alanparmar2797
@alanparmar2797 5 ай бұрын
cap
@yaronakrayis7291
@yaronakrayis7291 5 ай бұрын
Said the liar
@eddy_3863
@eddy_3863 5 ай бұрын
i trust you, well done, hope you cheesed the sh!t outta him xD
@dbread955
@dbread955 5 ай бұрын
Cool, when’s Laurence?
@craigthebrute6032
@craigthebrute6032 5 ай бұрын
Radahn doesn't feel like a boss, but rather the entire CEO of FromSoft Pain Distribution, Inc.
@TheZoddo
@TheZoddo 5 ай бұрын
he's actually Michaelzaki playing the game on Easy mode
@somerandomperson9670
@somerandomperson9670 5 ай бұрын
Despite me spending 6 hours on him, I still think he’s one of the best bosses in Elden ring.
@I-do-not-exist-here
@I-do-not-exist-here 5 ай бұрын
183 attempts and my masochistic ass loved every second
@jamesadams5228
@jamesadams5228 5 ай бұрын
Literally beat him the first time in around two or three hours. The second character I brought in was a new game +7 and I don’t know if I wish that type of punishment on my worst enemy lol
@SL4PSH0CK
@SL4PSH0CK 5 ай бұрын
they really heard the community talking about Radahn full potential. since he was nerfed base game 😁
@Lucky3nd
@Lucky3nd 5 ай бұрын
Zanny can't have a hot take, he did first try Midir after all
@realkingofantarctica
@realkingofantarctica 4 ай бұрын
Romina is hugely underrated. People confuse her being balanced with being "simple." It's not Romina's fault that nearly every other boss in the DLC has nonstop, spastic, 24-hit, hyperarmored, hitbox-defying, stagger-inducing, status-ailmenting, heat-seeking, nigh-undodgeable true combos that only offer you one counterattack, which you had better not miss because the boss will immediately run away to the other side of the arena.
@chrislombardi7134
@chrislombardi7134 4 ай бұрын
Romina is one of my favorites fr
@pozhirateldush9892
@pozhirateldush9892 4 ай бұрын
disagree, there wan no buildup, no cutscene, no voice line, easy boss that you can win just by hugging her legs and spam rolling, the design and concept are really cool but the execution is disappointing, tho respect your opinion on it
@Exeternal_Beyonder_Of_Doomsday
@Exeternal_Beyonder_Of_Doomsday 3 ай бұрын
​@@pozhirateldush9892She actually has cut content with Renalla both have cut voice lines
@garretiswright8532
@garretiswright8532 3 ай бұрын
I wish Rellana and her had a cutscene and voicelines. It would had made both bosses so much better and more interesting
@CianWolffensperger
@CianWolffensperger 2 ай бұрын
She is not balanced, even without a proper build and using no scadu tree fragments she is just way too easy. she felt like a dungeon boss in regards to the simplicity of her moveset and her dificulty.
@viljamtheninja
@viljamtheninja 5 ай бұрын
"I WILL RIDDLE YOUR HOLES!" -The Sphinx interrogating Jocasta's sus relationship history
@victorprati7908
@victorprati7908 5 ай бұрын
Lmao
@Hatemx1
@Hatemx1 5 ай бұрын
No diddy.
@LookBehindYouBruv
@LookBehindYouBruv 4 ай бұрын
“I WILL RIDDLE YOUR HOLES WITH ROTTEN HIDE”
@DOOMStudios
@DOOMStudios 5 ай бұрын
Everytime when Act Man and Zanny Collab you know it’s gonna be awesome.
@Someguy1a
@Someguy1a 5 ай бұрын
Hope they invite three zanny i love that guy
@TheActMan
@TheActMan 5 ай бұрын
we just have that vibe
@Baconman212
@Baconman212 5 ай бұрын
Best collab since the revenge of the sith video
@ThebigfishguyREAL
@ThebigfishguyREAL 5 ай бұрын
can you please adopt me it would be funny​@@TheActMan
@MurraytheCat
@MurraytheCat 5 ай бұрын
Correction: you know it’s gonna be AWESOME
@wyattml1641
@wyattml1641 5 ай бұрын
0:16 love how incredibly unsure and uncomfortable his clone is about giving him that medal.
@Travisman123_
@Travisman123_ 5 ай бұрын
It's criminal how they didn't mention the Divine Beast Dancing Lion's OST once. Best boss theme in the game, imo
@asherking159
@asherking159 4 ай бұрын
so many people say this. I pride myself on my enjoyment for these boss osts, so I think it's strange when to me radahn, messmer, bayle, and especially midra were all far superior. Not to say dancing lion was bad, but it was just so far from "the best" for me. Obviously opinions can be different it's just odd to me that mine is so different from what feels like the majority think here
@K0DA._.
@K0DA._. 4 ай бұрын
@@asherking159I personally believe Rellana has an argument for being better, too. I think Dancing Lion’s OST is great, and is definitely a testament to the DLC boss tracks being considerably better than base game bosses, but it still wasn’t the best.
@masroorahmadbani1712
@masroorahmadbani1712 4 ай бұрын
​@@asherking159I'd make an argument that romina's ost is also really good
@TheZoddo
@TheZoddo 5 ай бұрын
can't wait for you two to start a podcast in 2 years
@TheActMan
@TheActMan 5 ай бұрын
not a bad idea actually
@kayagorzan
@kayagorzan 5 ай бұрын
@@TheActManThePodcastMan
@lt.kitkat
@lt.kitkat 5 ай бұрын
​@@TheActManI AM ON MY KNEES RN!!🙏🙏
@Drakehater58
@Drakehater58 5 ай бұрын
Future ideas in ​@@TheActMan ?
@comicsexplored1627
@comicsexplored1627 5 ай бұрын
🙏
@expl018
@expl018 5 ай бұрын
CURSE YOU BAYYYYLEEE!!!
@TheActMan
@TheActMan 5 ай бұрын
SOLID OF SCALE YE MIGHT BE
@somehistorynerd
@somehistorynerd 5 ай бұрын
FOUL DRAGON
@Kingsquid76
@Kingsquid76 5 ай бұрын
I HEREBY VOW! YOU WILL RUE THIS DAY!
@hhowdy
@hhowdy 5 ай бұрын
@@somehistorynerd BUT I WILL RIDDLE WITH HOLES YOUR ROTTEN HIED…
@thesonicfanboi
@thesonicfanboi 5 ай бұрын
​@@somehistorynerd BUT I WILL RIDDLE WITH HOLES YOUR ROTTEN HIDE!
@frizzman1991
@frizzman1991 5 ай бұрын
Only reason I'd put Rellana in A tier is I kinda wish she had a cutscene the first time you entered the room. Cool character, deserves a little som'n som'n.
@evan5102
@evan5102 5 ай бұрын
I'm very surprised they didn't give her a cutscene
@yipee554
@yipee554 5 ай бұрын
Ah yes zanny the man that has every movie tv show memes in his head pulling it out randomly
@mad_max103
@mad_max103 4 ай бұрын
i'm sorry but a fucking camera is NOT an intended skill gap you CAN make it less annoying with skill but you shouldn't have to
@parkergosman5476
@parkergosman5476 3 ай бұрын
Applause
@thexdfacedgamer2306
@thexdfacedgamer2306 5 ай бұрын
We all know just what Zanny's *_"Super glue."_* on Malenia's helmet was...💀💀💀
@FudoDrmex
@FudoDrmex 5 ай бұрын
im 8 years old cam you explain plssss
@jakobbinkley
@jakobbinkley 5 ай бұрын
​@@FudoDrmex stay innocent kid...
@hollowhunter7791
@hollowhunter7791 5 ай бұрын
@@FudoDrmex sure you are bro
@LOCALTAHOENJOYER
@LOCALTAHOENJOYER 5 ай бұрын
"Thinking bout the hole where Malenia's right arm used to be." - Zanman 2022
@danielwinchester4759
@danielwinchester4759 5 ай бұрын
Yeah... *SUPER GLUE*
@hhowdy
@hhowdy 5 ай бұрын
Should’ve collabed with Quantum smh
@icebough4191
@icebough4191 5 ай бұрын
That’d be hilarious
@Agemmata-Arts
@Agemmata-Arts 5 ай бұрын
Isn't he in jail?
@phud69
@phud69 5 ай бұрын
The F tier would have had a use since every boss Quantum ranked would be there
@Sodahiss
@Sodahiss 5 ай бұрын
@@Agemmata-Artsnope. Still making videos believe it or not
@nealang9520
@nealang9520 5 ай бұрын
​@@Agemmata-Artsspent only a day there, no less...
@pieofgods1244
@pieofgods1244 5 ай бұрын
I have some things to say about the takes on Metyr. I think the buildup to the boss was amazing, it's not just traveling through the desolate ruins, but if you listen to Ymir's dialogue the whole way through and learn more and more about the fingers and what he thinks adds a layer of anticipation for what is at the end of the quest. I also liked the progression, sure, the ruins do take up a bigger part of the map then they should, but the atmosphere is just so alien and it makes you wonder what happened, and the cherry on top was learning that the third ruin was underneath the cathedral the whole time. Good video though.
@amwazdraws6890
@amwazdraws6890 5 ай бұрын
yeah I actually really liked Methyr. Learning the patterns and beating it felt good and the design is great.
@Feddy009
@Feddy009 5 ай бұрын
Would have been good if She didnt have and undodgable laser Attack and super weird hitboxes on some Attacks
@mylessimpson5209
@mylessimpson5209 5 ай бұрын
I think the aesthetics, arena, and lore aspects are all pretty great relating to that boss. But to me, the questline progression didn't make much sense. Never felt like we had a reason to kill Metyr, other than "I guess this is what we do now." The atmosphere around the ruins is great, but if you spent 30 plus minutes looking around for stuff to do or find there, it becomes disappointing. But my main problems mostly stem from the quest, like, we do our fetch errands, hear some good lore, then when we go to the final area he asks, and we kill the things that are hostile to us, he gets mad? Maybe I missed some details?
@anitaremenarova6662
@anitaremenarova6662 5 ай бұрын
Don't care + Rom 2.0 + go to therapy for your mommy issues + no runes + maidenless
@flamingmanure
@flamingmanure 5 ай бұрын
agreed, i find the complaints about those areas abit weird, i mean theyre all just flat ground and exploring them takes 20 minutes tops, less on horse back, thats barely considered an area, ive spent more time in side dungeons than that, theyre obviously just atmospheric quest areas and making them a linear dungeon like old souls or the legacy dungeons wouldve killed the atmosphere.
@slipperyquark3885
@slipperyquark3885 5 ай бұрын
I firmly think Midra should have been in S tier because I felt like they forgot to factor in how insanely sick his presentation was. He easily has one of the best boss cutscenes/introductions IMO.
@KodFrostwrath
@KodFrostwrath 5 ай бұрын
16:43 This made me realize Gaius could actually be a crazy interesting fight. Maybe If you had something like a cracked tear for your wondrous flask that makes so you never fall from Torrent unless his HP is 0.
@asherking159
@asherking159 4 ай бұрын
except the horse combat in this game is tedious and boring. It's great as a means of traversal, even in boss fights I think it's fun, but as soon as you start actually swinging a weapon on horseback it feels awful. What I value most in this game is variety. I like using many different mechanics and tools at my disposal to find creative and interesting ways to kill a boss. Even if you couldnt be knocked off the horse, why would I want to limit myself to swinging a sword 1 of 2 ways tediously on horseback when I have a full arsenal to choose from on foot. It's a fundamental flaw in the core game mechanics that cant be fixed by simply making the horse more viable and easier to beat a boss with. Sorry I went off on a rant about the horse in this game. Truly I think it's one of the best horses in any game ever, but again only in traversal. Really Torrent is more of a big, magical billy goat but I digress
@ajcorpus5155
@ajcorpus5155 5 ай бұрын
With this treasure I summon the true Elden Lord: My mimic
@chancefreely
@chancefreely 5 ай бұрын
If nobody's got me, I know my boy Mimic Tear got me.
@mateusgreenwood1096
@mateusgreenwood1096 5 ай бұрын
casul
@victorprati7908
@victorprati7908 5 ай бұрын
Bruh
@mrlemon1669
@mrlemon1669 5 ай бұрын
Dark souls 3 gets mentioned: Zanny: What’s a Midir?
@Scanvas3
@Scanvas3 5 ай бұрын
Zanny tries not to brag about his first try Midir challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
@jzup1_424
@jzup1_424 5 ай бұрын
Both my favorite youtubers in one video
@brysonclough1738
@brysonclough1738 5 ай бұрын
Two
@CongoTheBongo
@CongoTheBongo 5 ай бұрын
Too
@CFEKOSMOS
@CFEKOSMOS 5 ай бұрын
Two********
@Prvda999
@Prvda999 5 ай бұрын
Two
@DerpyTC
@DerpyTC 5 ай бұрын
Tou*
@bessboss107
@bessboss107 5 ай бұрын
18:14 when I fought him I remember clearly that it is totally possible to dodge Gaius's charge attack by simply rolling into him when he gets so close and that worked for me
@asherking159
@asherking159 4 ай бұрын
yeah actman talks about how people who complain about the camera really just have a skill issue, not realizing his complaints about gaius are born from his own skill issue. I will concede that rolling into the massive horns of a giant boar charging full speed at you may not be the most intuitive thing in the world at face value, but this is typically how you dodge most attacks in from's games so at this point the idea shouldve at least crossed his mind to try. It's also very easy to do with light rolls
@sevirakalau2171
@sevirakalau2171 4 ай бұрын
@@asherking159 In his defense the timing for rolling behind the charge is pretty strict. when I was first trying to avoid the move I tried to roll through it and got hit anyway and I waited quite awhile to dodge. At that point I assumed there's just something I'm not getting and dodged it with blink bolt. After fighting the boss again I got the timing down but i can see how other people who are a bit quicker on the trigger wouldn't be able to dodge through him
@ojgsk8ter
@ojgsk8ter 2 ай бұрын
You can also roll to the right if you time it correctly. It’s a highly choreographed move but pretty tight window, which is of course where the challenge comes from. I could only dodge that move about 50% of the time due to the timing window. I thought Gaius was pretty decent. He’s one of the weaker bosses in the DLC imo but that’s only because the other bosses are so great. He’s incredibly frustrating at first due to his hit boxes but he’s very satisfying to figure out. Not a particularly difficult fight once you get a feel for his moves and develop a decent strategy. He can feel very bs and unbalanced when you first start fighting him and haven’t figured him out yet.
@sslender07
@sslender07 2 ай бұрын
Men of culture both ranking Messmer as s. The entire fight is just so fucking good and it was so satisfying when I figured out I could hit his snake form multiple times with one wing stance heavy. Without a doubt my favourite boss in the game.
@AzN_Elevation
@AzN_Elevation 5 ай бұрын
Zannys smudge on his camera got me thinking my phone screen was smudged lol.
@sargentmichael5551
@sargentmichael5551 5 ай бұрын
Now I see it and it’s distracting
@quineros9595
@quineros9595 5 ай бұрын
12:59 Ok, can we talk about the surprisingly accurate "CURSE YOU, BAYLE" from the Man?
@TheActMan
@TheActMan 4 ай бұрын
I gave it my all
@tetermc
@tetermc 5 ай бұрын
I do agree that fighting the camera and knowing when to lock on and off takes skill and knowledge, but I still don't think it's a very interesting or well designed obstacle. Sekiro just straight up zooms out to give you a better view of your character and the enemy and it's a bit odd that that wasn't really implemented in Elden Ring. Fighting the camera just isn't that fun to do.
@ghost-iv8gt
@ghost-iv8gt 5 ай бұрын
except you don't have to fight the camera, you can just turn it off. that was the whole point of the convo
@Rusty_Spy
@Rusty_Spy 5 ай бұрын
@@ghost-iv8gtyou do have to fight it when you have to fiddle with the analog stick while trying to dodge and attack. Makes me wish the game had monster hunters' camera system
@tetermc
@tetermc 5 ай бұрын
​@@ghost-iv8gtJust turning it off and on or manually aiming the camera the whole time IS fighting the camera, especially when an enemy is huge and moves from place to place rapidly.
@ghost-iv8gt
@ghost-iv8gt 5 ай бұрын
@@tetermc what you can press dodge 300 times in a row but its too hard to move your stick a little to the left?
@shevankaseneviratne1724
@shevankaseneviratne1724 5 ай бұрын
@@ghost-iv8gt watch all the tells of the boss get smothered by u humping their nuts for a safe zone and not knowing wtf is happening cuz zoomig out the camera only happens in sekiro
@zanbarlee6190
@zanbarlee6190 5 ай бұрын
I've gotta call you out on this, Act Man. The fact that unlocking your camera and locking it on at the right moments makes the fight easier does not make it a good feature. Everyone who has gone through a souls game is well aware that there is a strategy to work around From's clunky design, but it's still a manual workaround to bad design and deserves to be criticized as such. Yes, if you unlock your camera against Bayle, you will no longer be staring at its belly while you're trying to hit its leg, and the tip is very useful to a newcomer who isn't aware of the big boss cancer streak and how to mitigate it. Ironically, though, your example clip about unlocking your camera still shows you getting hit by a fire attack that you couldn't see because of the camera despite the workaround, and even in the best scenario, you're still forced to have your entire screen filled up with Bayle's ugly stump for half the fight. He is a spectacle; his missing foot is not, and I'd much rather actually see the thing I'm trying to kill than intimately learning just how thick his thighs are. They've tried to fix things a little by giving more damage to headshots, which would be great if they designed the boss to keep its head in striking range either throughout the fight or during their vulnerable windows, but they forgot to actually implement their apparent desire to keep you in front of big bosses and a bit distanced from them by making sure that their move-sets and movement naturally corals you into their nutsacks even with the extra damage on their domes, and I'm SO confident in this fact that I'm hinging this entire argument on the hope that every single person here has taken the same 3 credit class on Bayle's stupid leg stump instead of bringing up the myriad of Souls bosses that notoriously and obviously have these problems, many of them in this game specifically. These geniuses designed Elden Ring, so they don't get passes on such a glaring flaw just because I can manually apply a tedious strategy to half-fix a problem that they know about and only actually deal with for a select few bosses - just enough of them to let me know that they CAN fix it and just don't care enough to.
@WolfgangSprankles
@WolfgangSprankles 5 ай бұрын
just hit his head bro
@unoriginal2552
@unoriginal2552 4 ай бұрын
Yeah, I get very bad 'git gud' vibes from some of the moments in this video. And those aren't good vibes. It's nearly impossible to criticize FromSoftware and some of their shitty, clunky designs because there's always the crowd yelling that it's just a skill gap and to 'git gud'
@The0nlyy
@The0nlyy 4 ай бұрын
Get a controller with paddles to lock on and you won’t have those skill issues
@immortal_shrooms6757
@immortal_shrooms6757 4 ай бұрын
Honestly so real, i wanna test my skill against the enemy, not micromanging my ability to see
@zanbarlee6190
@zanbarlee6190 4 ай бұрын
@@The0nlyy It's not a skill issue. I can click the right stick and move it around just fine without paddles. The fact that you recommended me buy a controller about as expensive as the game just so I can fix HIS bad camera design is funny though. Nowhere in my comment did I say big bosses were hard. They're notoriously easier than well-designed smaller bosses. I said they were stupid and poorly designed to create a fight where you can't see the spectacle they've made. Over my time beating every Souls game that isn't DS2, I've come to realize that Miyazaki's greatest achievement isn't his beautiful games; his most impressive achievement to date is accidentally creating a cultish following that is so choked up on his massive pickle that they will blame themselves for all of his mistakes like he's some sort of RPG Jesus. I literally wrote a dissertation on so many different problems with his design choice, and you're so biased toward this man that you actually MADE UP a sentence where I mentioned having trouble with big bosses. The intensity of all of your pandering is embarrassing. Please, for five seconds, actually think for yourself and contend with my argument that his camera design creates a suboptimal experience that hinders you from properly seeing the boss they want you to look at instead of saying the exact same thing I just criticized Act Man for telling me.
@flister8701
@flister8701 5 ай бұрын
I’m so glad I wasnt the only one who couldn’t stand the hair blocking Radahn
@asherking159
@asherking159 4 ай бұрын
in my experience, the hair only obscures vision from combo chains radahn already used in phase 1, so I think the intent was to drill some of these chains into your memory in phase 1 so by the time you see them again in phase 2 you understand the timings by heart. The holy beams really dont make a lot of difference timing wise, just forces you to dodge in certain directions that phase 1 didnt necessarily do
@thevoicesaregettinglouder16
@thevoicesaregettinglouder16 5 ай бұрын
Besides Midra and the hippo, i never felt like i was fighting the bosses, but surviving them
@Zopeee
@Zopeee 5 ай бұрын
Well you also didnt fight the hippo but fought the camera instead
@anitaremenarova6662
@anitaremenarova6662 5 ай бұрын
The hippo was ass, nothing I despise more than enemies that ragdoll you with every other attack.
@kixakii436
@kixakii436 5 ай бұрын
​@@anitaremenarova6662he is really not that bad bruh
@AtomicZamurai
@AtomicZamurai 5 ай бұрын
The hippo with his big ass head lmao nah it was mid
@bdhd2142
@bdhd2142 4 ай бұрын
@@kixakii436the hippo is the worst boss in the dlc along with the elder inquisitor one
@darkxzero13
@darkxzero13 5 ай бұрын
Whoever animated the particle effects for Bayle deserves a raise
@EbagStudios
@EbagStudios 5 ай бұрын
Patrolling the mines of Hoxes IV almost makes you wish for a "why is deep rock galactic so awesome!?" video by The Act Man. Can I get a rock and stone!?
@vkgamimg8493
@vkgamimg8493 5 ай бұрын
Rock and stone
@vkgamimg8493
@vkgamimg8493 5 ай бұрын
If the pointy ears ever force a leave lovers down my throat, I’m saving a oily oaf just for myself
@brytonshoemaker1923
@brytonshoemaker1923 5 ай бұрын
Rock and Stone!
@rogueleader2230
@rogueleader2230 5 ай бұрын
Stone and rock!
@bmobmo6438
@bmobmo6438 5 ай бұрын
Did I hear a ROCK AND STONE!?
@dsbpt1746
@dsbpt1746 5 ай бұрын
This is an amazing crossover, I did not expect this AT ALL
@blicbac9601
@blicbac9601 5 ай бұрын
The Romina disrespect is crazy tbh. Romina was such a fun fight for me. I honestly loved her design, yes a bit recycled but still sick, I do believe she would've benefited from a cutscene with some unique dialogue to Amp up the fight a bit
@Scags_LoL
@Scags_LoL 5 ай бұрын
Saying getting to Radahn is easy is WILD. The start of the final area where u have to jump over the crack and fight the first divine beast warrior then run up the stairs while getting railed by holy beams just to fight more divine beast warriors and finally make it to the npc fight is crazy ( if you get the npc throwing scarlet rot at you). Shit take
@spsawyer22
@spsawyer22 5 ай бұрын
I mean...you can essentially just sprint past everyone...so I both agree with you AND understand his take. Also Final Boss is just absolutely oppressive/brutal.
@DthepopeP
@DthepopeP 5 ай бұрын
I don't know man. I've made the run 4 times (1 for each playthrough) and never died.
@lllULTIMATEMASTERlll
@lllULTIMATEMASTERlll 5 ай бұрын
It is definitely not easy. Is it literally the worst thing ever? Obviously not. But it simply isn’t easy if you don’t just run past everyone.
@Dyla656
@Dyla656 5 ай бұрын
​@spsawyer22 bruh you can sprint past in every Souls game
@EliEngbretson-bq5ot
@EliEngbretson-bq5ot 5 ай бұрын
@@DthepopePdid you fight all of the enemies?
@BS-gk2cb
@BS-gk2cb 5 ай бұрын
“The camera is part of the skill gap” might be some of the biggest cope about overdesigned bosses I’ve heard to date lol. It’d be like if the game just turned off your controller every 5 or so seconds and saying it’s part of the challenge. Like yeah I guess but goddamn is it not a fun or engaging thing to babysit
@DALKurumiTokisaki
@DALKurumiTokisaki 5 ай бұрын
It's less overdesigned bosses and more a general problem with giant creature bosses. The camera lock on works fine with every humanoid boss but gets jank when something the size of a Dragon starts moving directly on top of you.
@xandrixcreed
@xandrixcreed 5 ай бұрын
It's not cope. It literally teaches you to not always rely on it.
@immortal_shrooms6757
@immortal_shrooms6757 5 ай бұрын
@@xandrixcreedi feel like that just makes it an over tweaked challenge in a fight. The skill check is how you can control your character well enough to prevent them from dying, not how well you can fight both the ingame enemy and your interface. Skill, sure, but it loses the point of the game a little
@unoriginal2552
@unoriginal2552 4 ай бұрын
​@@xandrixcreed so, in a video game about fighting things, I shouldn't rely on the camera to let me see the thing I'm fighting? Would you like to play Elden Ring but it's just a black screen?
@xandrixcreed
@xandrixcreed 4 ай бұрын
@@unoriginal2552 I would thoroughly enjoy that.
@NoobmasterN8
@NoobmasterN8 5 ай бұрын
If you play the DLC on NG+7 or higher, there is no such thing as dignity. That mimic tear carried me on its broken back
@maux9175
@maux9175 5 ай бұрын
Mimic is a real one, always there when you need em
@T4RN15H3D
@T4RN15H3D 9 күн бұрын
I just took in the deflecting hard tear as well as a greatsword infused with bleed and got to work.
@alexlaurens
@alexlaurens 4 ай бұрын
On the note of Mesmer being fun to learn the patterns, I struggled with him SO much in my first playthrough, but my second play through, I beat him 3rd try. Memorizing his move set is so satisfying and it ends up being like riding a bike
@hz3068
@hz3068 4 ай бұрын
Radahn first phase: fun Radahn second phase: discord light mode simulator
@blurb9319
@blurb9319 5 ай бұрын
Radahn phase 1 is actually a really solid fight imo. He can chain attacks a bit too often but outside of a couple of attacks everything can be reacted to consistently and he leaves gaps pretty often. His damage also isn’t too absurd even at Scadutree level 10 or 11 (though your damage will be ass). Phase 2 is when everything is thrown into the shitter though (bit of an overstatement but it’s still pretty dumb).
@cowhydrodynamics
@cowhydrodynamics 5 ай бұрын
The thing is that the aoes aren't that bad and only really just force you to play how you already should be, that is as close to radhan as possible. It only appears to be overwhelming but it really doesn't change very much
@lycanthoss
@lycanthoss 5 ай бұрын
Radahn phase 2 exemplifies the problems I had with SOTE bosses. Camera was a pain in the ass for quite a few bosses (especially Divine Lion). Bosses having nonstop chain attacks with little time to attack. Particle effects being so heavy that they tank the FPS or obscure vision. Many "stay in the air" attacks.
@spsawyer22
@spsawyer22 5 ай бұрын
This. I don't mind phase 1 even though I think his damage and stamina are over-tuned (dude never really stops). Phase 2 has made me rage quit 4 times now. I'm at ~275 attempts now on final boss...Gaius was the next highest at 11 (and the Mohg spear got brought out after attempt 10 and worked like a charm). I'm running out of answers/options. I've respec'd 6 times and each time a build brought something different but ultimately failed at the end. I've tried content creator builds (like Asmon's the Wall, Bloodfiend Arm etc) and each got me to 2nd phase and eventual death. I even did Mimic or Taylew with support incants...and that didn't go well. Hard to listen to "get gud" when he's literally killed me more than every other boss in the DLC and base game combined at this point (in this playthrough at least).
@blurb9319
@blurb9319 5 ай бұрын
@@cowhydrodynamics the golden beams aren’t the issue (at worst they just force you to dodge in certain directions) but the phantom strikes can stagger you really easily and the way to dodge them aren’t clearly telegraphed due to how quickly they come out.
@spsawyer22
@spsawyer22 5 ай бұрын
@@cowhydrodynamics tried staying close to him and the AoE's still got me (the slash bringing ground AoE out). Also got charmed and killed multiple times the moment I try to clear the charm with the rune. Basically...what I've learned is I have to have the perfect run for 5+ minutes (I've had my physick run out multiple times in 2nd phase...so I've waited to use it until 2nd phase...and still had it run out due to all the time spent dodging/blocking his attacks). I've not going to get to that level unless I drop 100+ hrs just fighting him...and honestly I'm at 15 hrs or so and am about to uninstall the game. My other solution is to just get 50 more levels (really the only thing I can think of). Since I'm already at 245...that's like 10 hrs of grinding slaughtering Albanurics...doesn't sound fun tbh. I've burned thru 30 rune arcs, I'm out of arteria leafs due to all the uplifting aromatics I used, etc etc. Edited to add: Sadly...I didn't get to use OP perfume or OP thorns against him (both got nerfed before I discovered them/got to him).
@bitter_harambe
@bitter_harambe 5 ай бұрын
Consort Radahn fits his level design perfectly. What was the most frustrating part of Enir Ilim? Those two assholes spamming the stun-locking spira from halfway across the world. What's the most frustrating part of Consort Radahn? Miquella spamming his own version of "golden bullshit" lmao
@braxyzp5506
@braxyzp5506 5 ай бұрын
MY GLORIOUS KINGS THE ACT MAN AND ZANNY IN THE SAME VIDEO IT'S EVERYWHERE
@Swifitey
@Swifitey 5 ай бұрын
I think radhan is an S learning his moveset especially in second phase is super satisfying cus it’s like you’ve mastered the boss and the satisfaction of beating him is a core memory I’ll save for life
@serrelentless
@serrelentless 4 ай бұрын
Radahn Phase 1 - S Tier (No lag or Flashbangs, Just 2 warriors fighting) Radahn Phase 2 - Z Tier (I cant see ANYTHING + 2fps) Full Fight - D Tier
@nathanl4083
@nathanl4083 4 ай бұрын
agreed although i would say first phase is A, because the radahn reuse is kinda lazy and i feel like he also felt a bit robotic instead of a boss like godfrey that feels alot more like a fellow living opponent
@serrelentless
@serrelentless 4 ай бұрын
@@nathanl4083 Lore wise I think the DLC was weak sauce. I don't hate them reusing Radahn, I hate Radahn being reused in such a bad manner. Any chance of fighting Radahn in a more fun and glorious way is dead now. No way they bring him back in the third DLC.
@mezouzahalamaison3943
@mezouzahalamaison3943 4 ай бұрын
beside the frame drop everything is fine with the fight
@serrelentless
@serrelentless 4 ай бұрын
@@mezouzahalamaison3943 agree to disagree
@curtisclement1829
@curtisclement1829 4 ай бұрын
So true
@filipeterenzi9320
@filipeterenzi9320 5 ай бұрын
Hot take, I absolutely LOVED fighting Gaius. 😂
@turboloser4334
@turboloser4334 5 ай бұрын
Yeah ever since penguinz0 complained about the charge because he didn’t ’t know how to dodge it everyone hates him even though he’s not that bad
@reginadea2821
@reginadea2821 5 ай бұрын
I loathed Gaius. I fought him before the devs moved him further away, so I was getting charged the second I stepped through the fog. And unlike Messmer's charge, he doesn't give you enough time to orientate and dodge him. Will have to see how he feels now that he's been moved away.
@freakehoax6406
@freakehoax6406 5 ай бұрын
I didnt love him but i definitely didnt hate him like the majority of the community. I found his charge attack ridiculously easy to dodge, i always just walk towarda him its that easy. Doesnt suprise me tho cuz recently ive been seeing ALOT lf people using the golden wave aow on the elden beast weapon
@viljamtheninja
@viljamtheninja 5 ай бұрын
Once I learned how to dodge the charge, I loved him too. Really fun fight, the dodge is very unintuitive but everything else is just *chef's kiss*
@spub1031
@spub1031 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, weirdly enough, i never had a problem with him. I consistently dodged his charge. My only gripe is i wish he had a unique ost.
@MrAlex10173
@MrAlex10173 5 ай бұрын
Only problem with Messmer is that he didn't have 2 health bars
@simon-peterwilliamson2412
@simon-peterwilliamson2412 5 ай бұрын
Rare zanny W. The dancing lion DESERVES respect. The music is so awesome. Its so freaky to watch it move. When it stands on the legs and hobble towards you. Watching the move very inhumanly snap open and closed. I fucking loved it. Watching the lion rise and change elements, the roar, and the lady's speech. Its all so good
@x_m3rcy_x800
@x_m3rcy_x800 3 ай бұрын
I love seeing The Act man and Zanny working together. Such a S+ tier video.
@oldmangaming9442
@oldmangaming9442 5 ай бұрын
Haven't seen a collab with you guys before, but I want more. You guys are hilarious together.
@Godslayer96
@Godslayer96 5 ай бұрын
As soon as I put my everything into countering Gaius' charge, with Raptor or Perseverance, the fight became exponentially more fun. He actually feels bugged. Or unfinished.
@Ryder42
@Ryder42 5 ай бұрын
Gaius is bugged, his charge will hit you in I frames or twice resulting in a 70% or oneshot, there was a lot of talk about his hitboxes in the first few days of the DLC, will prob be fixed soon
@anitaremenarova6662
@anitaremenarova6662 5 ай бұрын
@@Ryder42 He's genuinely a good fight outside of that charge. Definitely better than all the other beast enemies in the DLC and base game as well.
@Mango-cp1im
@Mango-cp1im 5 ай бұрын
hes definitely unfinished. the guy is a remembrance dlc boss with no unique ost
@cheftroyardee7982
@cheftroyardee7982 5 ай бұрын
​@@Mango-cp1im That is definitely the weirdest part, no music for a remembrance boss.
@viljamtheninja
@viljamtheninja 5 ай бұрын
I've said this in a bunch of comment chains already, but there is a relatively easy and reliable way to dodge the charge, shown in FisshtailCat's video on the subject. I watched the video, and never had problems with the charge again. It's a pretty unintuitive dodge but it works. Highly recommend it.
@timclaridge8458
@timclaridge8458 5 ай бұрын
Before I watch: If Midra isn't S tier, we riot. Edit: ...Get the pitchforks.
@anitaremenarova6662
@anitaremenarova6662 5 ай бұрын
Tbf Midra being S or A completely depends on how much you like the Bloodborne vibe which is completely subjective. That being said I agree with you fully, let's beat em up and steal their lunch money
@Satsaru
@Satsaru 5 ай бұрын
Nah Midra is pretty... mid.
@alexanderquant7478
@alexanderquant7478 5 ай бұрын
The depths of their foolishness. On Serious note though, I could see why he was in A tier because the fight itself is not that complex mechanically. But he has my favorite aesthetic out of all the bosses they made, and I’m a Bloodborne fan so I’m pretty biased for him.
@timclaridge8458
@timclaridge8458 5 ай бұрын
@@alexanderquant7478 Midra is my fav because he has a moveset that's fun to engage against, fantastic aesthetic, my personal favorite ost from the dlc, and made a chill run up my spine with the boss cutscene. I agree,I don't think a boss needs to be too complex to be good, even great, and Midra is a perfect example of that.
@slipperyquark3885
@slipperyquark3885 5 ай бұрын
I think they should have bumped him up to S tier because I felt like they didn’t consider how insane his presentation was. The sword pull and the cut to black were so impactful IMO.
@pietroviana4158
@pietroviana4158 4 ай бұрын
Zanny was REALLY trying to hold it in as soon as u MENTIONED midir 😂😂😂
@belolopez9833
@belolopez9833 15 сағат бұрын
I like the flow of this guy's conversation. Great act
@jhayz3911
@jhayz3911 5 ай бұрын
Always love seeing you two together, hopefully you keep having Zanny for a bit more collabs!
@indifference1015
@indifference1015 5 ай бұрын
Midra has my favorite cutscene but Rellana has my favorite ost.
@firetitan19
@firetitan19 5 ай бұрын
@@indifference1015 what a joke
@marcpeukert6078
@marcpeukert6078 5 ай бұрын
even general sam could figure out how to dodge gaius charge attack
@pancakes7337
@pancakes7337 5 ай бұрын
I personally didn’t have any issues with gias. Yes his charge is a bit nutty, but he honestly has a fun move set.
@marcinolszewski2260
@marcinolszewski2260 5 ай бұрын
he's so janky. While he's in charge you cant hit him - attacks go through him like he's a ghost. And I'm annoyed that every boss instanty bum rushes you before you read his name. (I heard they fixed that in recent patch)
@mrdunklestein
@mrdunklestein 5 ай бұрын
FINALLY ANOTHER GAIUS DEFENDER MY BOI
@StanoKovacik
@StanoKovacik 5 ай бұрын
Personally I really liked his fight. You need to treat him similarly to Bell bearing hunter. If you give him distance he will obliyerate you, you need to stay close. Cool design and fight felt like a dance. Just my opinion, I see why people hate him.
@thosewhoslaytogetherstayto3412
@thosewhoslaytogetherstayto3412 5 ай бұрын
I've learned the fight. I spend time helping others with him. He's a jank POS for a boss. I revel in killing him.
@iago9711
@iago9711 5 ай бұрын
I'll defend Gaius (but not his charge.) I heard so much shit about him that I left him until close to the end, and I have to say fighting him with a reasonably high Skadu level he feels pretty balanced. The charge attack is bad and is basically RNG, but it mostly just seems like punishment from running away. I found all of his sword swings very predictable. I think he's basically a slightly modified Erdtree sentinel
@hunterparke9059
@hunterparke9059 2 ай бұрын
I feel like this video is a rebuff to all of those saying you are any sort of biased😂 Wonderful video:) thank you for the hard work!
@nalzJ
@nalzJ 4 ай бұрын
i love how zanny always bring up the "i first try Midir actually" card everytime someone mention Midir 😂😂
@god_gamer_sieg6110
@god_gamer_sieg6110 5 ай бұрын
I love how in Bayles phase transition the music goes silent and then it resumes
@Steel_Warhammer
@Steel_Warhammer 5 ай бұрын
Guys doing full no hit runs will tell you the camera is rubbish, but here we have act man saying it is an "skill issue" 😂😂😂
@UltimaterializerX
@UltimaterializerX 5 ай бұрын
The camera is not a skill gap. It’s a bad mechanic.
@Peter_Anthony
@Peter_Anthony 4 ай бұрын
Skill gap: You are not expected to be locked on to all the bosses all the time, learning when to engage and when to disengage is as meaningful as learning when to attack and when to dodge. (E.g. Radhan becoming a meteorite, Astel and variants teleporting throughout the arena multiple times in the same fight, Margit jumping all over the place, changing lock on when in a multi-bossfight, cancelling lock on to run faster from certain attacks...) It is as much as a mechanic as dodge and attack, and it has been like that since first introduced by Fromsoft in its Armored Core games.
@UltimaterializerX
@UltimaterializerX 4 ай бұрын
@@Peter_Anthony False. If that were the intention then you wouldn’t be able to lock on to bosses in the first place. From is simply dog shit at designing good camera while locked on.
@anonisnoone6125
@anonisnoone6125 3 ай бұрын
@@Peter_Anthony FS fanboys will defend every shitty thing about a FS no matter what. "Radhan becoming a meteorite, Astel and variants teleporting" These 2 r literally the only times where ur forced to unlock cos the boss disappears. This is just common sense. And Margit does nothing that requires u to lock off. Gank fights in ER r shit anyway so locking off and on is required. Most bosses wouldn't need t be locked if they simply zoomed out the camera. Mods literally show u that it works.
@jameslough6329
@jameslough6329 Ай бұрын
@@anonisnoone6125 Zooming out the camera would diminish the sense of scale and intimidation of the large boss fights. This is why FromSoft only zoomed out the camera in Sekiro which is the only modern FromSoft game where large bosses and spectacle is not the major focus (the small humanoid fights were).
@alexandrerodrigues9844
@alexandrerodrigues9844 5 ай бұрын
Gonna save this one for after I play the dlc on my vacation in September. Can't wait, man
@goosemanVEVO
@goosemanVEVO 5 ай бұрын
7:40 Youre overcomplicating Midir. You should be staying locked on, the trick is to stay directly in front of his face and not go underneath him. That way he primarly goes for melee attacks and has consistent openings to hit him in the head.
@Colton42-d7b
@Colton42-d7b 5 ай бұрын
Messmer is my fav boss in all of souls he was challenging but actually fun the satisfaction didn’t just come from beating him it came from punishing his openings and learning to dodge his more oppressive attacks and noticing the small differences in his moves like which spear attack he was gonna use by wether he had fire on his spear or not and what moves the snakes will do from how and where they spawn it also helps that he’s very consistent in his attacks and when u miss the dodge time u know before he even kills u that u messed up. He also just looks so cool and his lore and music is fantastic just easy 10 out of 10 boss and has set a quality standard for any boss to come in the next fromsoft game
@sudowtf
@sudowtf 5 ай бұрын
Messmer is THE boss that actually rewards you for playing a certain way against him. If you learn his attacks, especially in phase 1, you will be rewarded with clear openings if you roll into his attacks. My whole problem with Elden Ring is that every boss is designed around 3 mechanics: -Delayed attacks -AOE attacks -Teleportation (To some extent, differs per boss) And there isn’t really a boss that does actual unique things during fights except for maybe Rykard since you do get a special weapon for that fight and he doesn’t teleport to random locations in his arena. Messmer felt smooth and fair while still being difficult. Now…Consort Radahn-inator the Royal Spam F#cker and ruler of everything that hurts is a whole different story
@capitalism7189
@capitalism7189 5 ай бұрын
Jesus Christ bro. This comment alone tells me you’ve only played Elden ring. I actually laughed when you said “Messmer set a standard”. He’s an amazing boss easily top 5 souls bosses (only at number 5 though) but there is a reason why even after SOTE Slave Knight Gael,Sword Saint Isshin,Artorias and either Lady Maria or Ludwig are considered the pinnacle of souls boss design and are THE standard.
@Colton42-d7b
@Colton42-d7b 5 ай бұрын
@@capitalism7189 I’ve played bloodborne and the first dark souls as well in fact Bloodborne is my fav fromsoft game and Ludwig is my second fav boss. and I said Messmer set a new standard of “quality” going forward which he has he is very polished and u can tell they put a lot of effort in him and he’s from the recent dlc of the most recent souls game so yes he has set a standard from here on out he met the standard of the other bosses u mentioned and he’s now what the newer fans from Elden ring will hold other important bosses to.
@capitalism7189
@capitalism7189 5 ай бұрын
@@Colton42-d7b I don’t think Messmer set a standard for 2 reasons: 1. Prior to the patch his snake attacks had broken hitboxes 2. He still isn’t on the same level of quality as Gael and Isshin. I noticed you said you’ve only played Bloodborne and the first dark souls. Play both sekiro and DS3 if you haven’t already. DS3 has by far the best bosses in the series and Sekiro has the best combat system by far and is the only souls game with a story beyond just “go here and do this to fix the world”. Story and Lore aren’t the same things. Story is what we experience, lore is what happens in the background.
@Colton42-d7b
@Colton42-d7b 5 ай бұрын
@@capitalism7189 his snake hitboxes were never bad people just weren’t good at dodging them I beat him before the patch and didn’t have any problem with them and also one of your points can’t be he’s not on the same quality as insert other bosses names u legit gave me one point and it wasn’t a good one. Also everything u said about best bosses and combat is your opinion I plan on playing sekiro and ds3 soon as my friend started playing ds3 maybe my opinion will change when I play them but from what I know and seen probably not.
@-Beefroast
@-Beefroast 5 ай бұрын
“Balls tied up”😂
@Comment66
@Comment66 5 ай бұрын
bro has only made 2 streams of the dlc
@newphonewhodis2608
@newphonewhodis2608 4 ай бұрын
scadutree avatar breaking down on 3rd phase was awesome, visually a highlight for me
@maddox3812
@maddox3812 5 ай бұрын
One thing I realized at the start of this video is that I don’t really remember any of the boss fight soundtracks besides Messmer and radahn
@jameslough6329
@jameslough6329 5 ай бұрын
Bruh idk how you don’t remember Bayle’s soundtrack. That shit was PEAK!
@yaronakrayis7291
@yaronakrayis7291 5 ай бұрын
Neither Bayle's nor Midra's????
@Bill_9999
@Bill_9999 5 ай бұрын
I remember all of them apart from like finger boss
@amwazdraws6890
@amwazdraws6890 5 ай бұрын
@@Bill_9999 the finger boss pretty much has no OST during phase 2, like you're in space or something lol. Phase 1 OST ist dope tho.
@EliEngbretson-bq5ot
@EliEngbretson-bq5ot 5 ай бұрын
Bro forgot about the dancing lion, Rellana, and Bayle. Seriously tho look up the dancing lion ost it’s peak.
@reagansido5823
@reagansido5823 5 ай бұрын
Prom con Radahn would be such a great fight if he was readable.
@joepster
@joepster 5 ай бұрын
Hows that rdr 2 vid coming along?
@HeckYep
@HeckYep 5 ай бұрын
Keeping a Green Goblin mask next to your bed is incredibly ominous. Definitely comes off like it talks to you Spider-Man 1 style.
@daanabbring5409
@daanabbring5409 5 ай бұрын
28:22 I have this problem on PS5 during the Radagon fight. When he smashes his hammer down, there are no frames to dodge in because it stutters so badly.
@WileECoyote97
@WileECoyote97 5 ай бұрын
Zanny should've summoned his mimic to help him with the rankings
@shevankaseneviratne1724
@shevankaseneviratne1724 5 ай бұрын
brutal
@Foxxionn
@Foxxionn 5 ай бұрын
Radahn is S tier and the community cant comprehend that his second phase you literally dodge exactly the same as the first. His swings don't change. The holy beams are just there to make you panic. You avoid them anyways when you dodge towards the boss exactly like phase 1.
@bdhd2142
@bdhd2142 4 ай бұрын
Yes I love the frame rate drops and 15 hit combos
@clique7386
@clique7386 4 ай бұрын
His hit boxes are inflated to make him harder, but yeah keep on glazing
@oreoloki8872
@oreoloki8872 3 ай бұрын
@@clique7386hit boxes are bigger but the dodging is still the same so how tf does that make sense?
@jameslough6329
@jameslough6329 Ай бұрын
@@clique7386 The hitboxes are also inflated on Orphan of Kos and Maria but you don’t see anyone complaining about those fights
@jameslough6329
@jameslough6329 Ай бұрын
@@bdhd2142 His longest combos are 12 hits and only two attacks in his moveset cause frame drops. Keep coping
@grayhat_9x
@grayhat_9x 5 ай бұрын
Rellana - most underrated boss of DLC and maybe the game
@tako3211
@tako3211 4 ай бұрын
never in the vass space did i ever expect these particular constellations to collide. Actman x Zanny collab is wild.
@Rullisi
@Rullisi 20 күн бұрын
I like the plant's slide move. It's goofy but it looks so fun, sliding it's butt around the arena. I want to do that too.
@boomerangman44
@boomerangman44 5 ай бұрын
Elden Ring players when someone uses a game mechanic instead of a +0 stick to beat a boss:
@parkergosman5476
@parkergosman5476 5 ай бұрын
NGL Act Man, I love your videos, but the camera take in reference to Bayle's fight is in pretty bad taste. The "skill gap" of learning when to lock off is fundamentally unintuitive for players both new and old to the souls series, because you would be discarding a mechanic that has been otherwise integral to the combat design. It is not unreasonable for players to be frustrated when unprecedented constraints impede learning a boss's moveset patterns. Unlocking your camera renders the well animated telegraphs for attacks irrelevant - as you still can't see the boss in its entirety - forcing players to rely exclusively on memorized timing and audio cues. Because of this, the learning curve for already difficult bosses is artificially inflated because you can't observe every aspect of the boss, and you have to babysit the camera with the same digit you use for other essential inputs like rolling, healing, and jumping. This may appear like another aspect of difficulty in a boss that requires more flat "skill" from the player, but as someone who has also stopped locking on for these bosses, I find it a little patronizing that you would say it's actually part of the "skill-gap." Yes, it's harder to fight bosses where you have to handicap yourself through locking off, but that's not the kind of difficulty that I praise in Fromsoftware bosses. In a combat game it's inexcusable to have a player tool as central as the camera be unreliable to the point of being a hinderance. We can all agree that Messmer is a new gold-standard when it comes to boss design, so I find it odd that something like a self-imposed handicap to compensate for an otherwise completely reliable mechanic is treated like an acceptable or praiseworthy part of boss design. It shouldn't be divisive to expect the experts at Fromsoftware to start brainstorming solutions for the camera when locking onto large enemies.
@Peter_Anthony
@Peter_Anthony 4 ай бұрын
I understand where you are coming from when calling lock-on an "integral part" of the game design, however as someone who started with Elden Ring and since has played all DS games and some AC, I can assure you that neither new nor old Fromsoft players should ever rely on Lock on 100% of the time when facing big enemies such as Dragons or Giants and neither any other big Fromsoft boss. Learning and knowing when to engage and disengage with a boss is as much as a mechanic in FromSoft's games as timing dodges and attacks. There's a reason why in Sekiro the camera is way better at following the bosses, it's not that Fromsoft can't make it happen, it's that they know it's an integral part of the game's design while in Sekiro they rely on you being able to see the attacks, in all the other soulslikes you are required to learn the movesets along with the timing when it comes to engaging and disengaging. And it's not only the big enemies that require you to engage with this mechanic. (E.g. Astel and its variants teleporting across the arena, the twin princes doing so too, Priscilla and sister Friede disappearing midfight and the Father making you switch lock on midfight to avoid his attacks, even Malenia more often than not is easier to lock off when avoiding Waterfowl dance, and that's without going into details about the tailcuts in earlier Dark Souls...) Managing the camera has always been a thing since Armored Core, it just became easier to do now that we have Lock on, but that doesn't mean that it's no longer a core mechanic.
@parkergosman5476
@parkergosman5476 4 ай бұрын
@@Peter_Anthony Thanks for the reply! It's rare to have an unemotional discussion with someone on the internet. In reference to your first point; in my experience with earlier Fromsoftware games, if you aren't locked on 100% of the time, you're locked on 98% of the time. Saying that it's "as much" a mechanic in Fromsoftware games as dodging is attacking is a pretty outlandish claim. Sekiro's camera orientation allowing players to see the entirety of the enemy (and their attacks) is not some unique aspect of Sekiro's design - most of Elden Ring's bosses work that way as well because the camera doesn't have any issues. The argument that I made in my comment is that un-locking your camera is an exception to the usual standard, meaning that knowing when to lock on or lock off is NOT a fundamental part of Dark Souls style fights, it's a gimmick. Being able to see enemy attacks in their entirety should not be a high demand - even for large bosses - so thinking that's a privilege unique to Sekiro's design philosophy is kind of weird. The examples you list of bosses that require or at least encourage players to unlock their camera, (or else be selective about using it,) such as Twin Princes and Friede/Father Ariendel, don't actually suffer from the issue I complain about in regards to Elden Ring. Twin Princes' teleportation doesn't disengage your camera unless he teleports for a plunge attack, or to charge up his sword-beam AoE. In both instances, you only have to temporarily unlock your camera, and the moves offer over a second of down time for you to re-engage for the fight. Friede's jump in phase 1 offers that same grace; you're not forced to engage with the bosses attacks without being able to see them - you're only supposed to take the reprieve to find her again before she lands her special attack on you. Additionally, having to juggle two enemies (Father Ariandel) has nothing to do with my main problem. I'm not against having to switch the lock-on between targets. Astel Teleporting is much the same as Twin Princes. While difficult and disorienting, it doesn't suffer from the main issue I have with the camera. Malenia's waterfowl is a pretty unique exception, wouldn't you say? It's more of a testament to how gimmicky dodging that move can be rather than what her boss was intentionally designed to be. Both examples from Dark Souls 3 and Astel are perfectly acceptable examples to me. The main issue with Bayle (and Dancing Lion, and Promised Consort, and Fire Giant, and Ulcerated Tree Spirit...ETC.) is when the environment or the size of the enemy (or both) make it impossible for the camera to give you a view of the entire enemy / enemy attacks. I do not consider fighting a semi-transparent boss a very fun experience when my margin for error is already so narrow - particularly in the DLC. Let me be clear: I'm not against certain gimmicks in boss fights that force or encourage the player to unlock their camera as long as it's TEMPORARY and the boss is thoughtfully designed around that limitation on the player. But I find it immersion breaking to realize that the hypothetical camera of the video game is making it even harder to learn and engage with a boss. Also, I'm more than aware that these camera issues have been present since Dark Souls 1. I'll also say that this issue of not being able to see the boss can be as much a result from the boss being placed in an improperly sized environment. I simply thought that Elden Ring was going to learn from Sekiro rather than double down on an existing (and much lamented) problem. If you really think that your camera is as vital a tool in your arsenal against a boss as dodging or attacking, then I think we have pretty different values on what makes "good" or "enjoyable" difficulty in Fromsoftware games. The camera (and Lock-On mechanic) is a META tool - a part of the UI that should not sabotage/hinder the actual in-world mechanics.
@helwrecht1637
@helwrecht1637 5 ай бұрын
Radahn = F suck, not fun, boring fight he just swings too much with actually provable bad hit boxes. Scadutree avatar = A actually good boss with neat ideas, usable weaknesses and fair attacks. Also the weapon it drops is better than radahns
@mateusgreenwood1096
@mateusgreenwood1096 5 ай бұрын
Skill Issue
@BaldorfBreakdowns
@BaldorfBreakdowns 5 ай бұрын
Radahn = S tier awesome, fun, exciting, swung a perfectly manageable amount of times and the hitboxes were fine. No way is the Scadutree Avatar weapon better than the Lord version of Radahn's Swords, you live in a dream world.
@yeahnahmate7
@yeahnahmate7 5 ай бұрын
Bros trippin
@shevankaseneviratne1724
@shevankaseneviratne1724 5 ай бұрын
@@BaldorfBreakdowns hes right lmao. Especially when u consider how much harder radahn is. Radahn swords needed a patch to be buffed andsunflower head didnt. Cuz its a collosal with insane charged heavies.
@BaldorfBreakdowns
@BaldorfBreakdowns 5 ай бұрын
@@shevankaseneviratne1724 They patched the Light version, not the Lord version. Try actually reading the words next time. Boss difficulty has literally nothing to do with how good the weapon is.
@swerveofficial
@swerveofficial 5 ай бұрын
Bale’s VFX and SFX when he fires his laser from the air is #1 coolest attack in souls. Crank that speaker.
@DanielGarda
@DanielGarda 5 ай бұрын
This is such a great duo, im glad you guys are friends
@colespeck3089
@colespeck3089 5 ай бұрын
I disagree with some of the Radahn takes, I get that preferring harder levels to harder boss fights is purely up to personal preference, and not really an objective thing, but I’d prefer fromsoft focus on harder bosses than levels just for my enjoyment. I do however, not think the level before Radahn is easy by any means. I died several times in Enir Ilum to the humanoid lion dancers, as those fights were significant challenges. Also the staircase with holy damage coming up from the floor is very difficult. Not to say that Radahn is a perfect boss by any means, the Miquella hair complaint is totally valid, I just thought I’d say that the ratio of difficulty from areas to bosses isn’t exactly an issue with this DLC or this fight.
@mezouzahalamaison3943
@mezouzahalamaison3943 4 ай бұрын
even that, the "hair" complaint is not a valid take, don't blame ur mis-positioning as it was the boss fault
@DR.TheLaw
@DR.TheLaw 5 ай бұрын
“Getting to the boss is most of the time harder than the boss”, that’s just a wrong take
@Peter_Anthony
@Peter_Anthony 4 ай бұрын
It greatly depends on your playstyle, some people find the bosses easier due to them having previous experience on other games while the new zones can be harder due to all the exploration needed to get there (I spent around 4 hours lost in the dark crazy forest section of the DLC with those "unkillable" things [You can parry and kill them], then cleared the madhouse in 15 minutes and stomped the boss in less than 5 tries)
@mynameissam9194
@mynameissam9194 5 ай бұрын
Yo I love Both of your content! This is a sick collab! Keep it up guys
@tworoosters2757
@tworoosters2757 5 ай бұрын
How did he give up and summon after only an hour of attempting 6:22
@theonewhoshitposts9727
@theonewhoshitposts9727 5 ай бұрын
It’s so cool seeing my two favorite KZbinrs I’ve been watching for the past 6 or 7 years do yet another collab
@c4mprnapper932
@c4mprnapper932 5 ай бұрын
Currently following ItsShatters complete quests guide to the dlc for my 2nd playthrough and im having so much fun😂
@Lunar1us
@Lunar1us 4 ай бұрын
Act Man, I just wanna thank you for the advice about locking on in the Bayle fight, it was so useful that I (no joke) beat him first try (albeit with the help of Igon and Dragon Hunter's Great Katana), so again, thank you for making that epic fight even more epic
@davesharma25
@davesharma25 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for making this video i enjoyed it :) my S tier bosses are definitely Midra, Rellana, Messmer , and Divine Dancing Lion :)
@jameslough6329
@jameslough6329 5 ай бұрын
No Bayle??!!
@davesharma25
@davesharma25 5 ай бұрын
@@jameslough6329 ah Bayle is definitely also S 😭 just didnt put him on there cause I love my humanoid bosses that feel good to solo 😂
@jameslough6329
@jameslough6329 5 ай бұрын
@@davesharma25 What I love about Bayle though is that his moveset is so complex that it rivals many of the humanoid bosses with how fluid and unpredictable it is. Even after 3 playthroughs, Bayle can sometimes still catch me off guard with some of his moves
@intranexine8901
@intranexine8901 5 ай бұрын
I love how my list is just yours turned upside down
@fijiman3627
@fijiman3627 4 ай бұрын
This video made my 2024! 😂🙌🏽
@Waais
@Waais 5 ай бұрын
lion's lightning phase being considered worse than frost is *crazy*
@konajohnson6182
@konajohnson6182 5 ай бұрын
Love how wholesome they are with one another! Truly a god tier collab video!
@Project_415
@Project_415 Ай бұрын
Everyone loving the “Curse you Bayle!!” Speech while conveniently forgetting about a similar speech from the “Adventures of Tintin” movie
@Goosemancer
@Goosemancer 4 ай бұрын
Divine Beast + Midra have the best music in the dlc, hands down. The musical callback to the merchant’s theme that they play in Midra’s goes SO HARD!
@JS-zz9lg
@JS-zz9lg 4 ай бұрын
After finally beating him last night, Radahn is now my fave boss in all souls games. I need that level of challenge now cause I'm just running through every other boss, nothing else matches the challenge Radahn gives you
@edenryseofficial
@edenryseofficial 5 ай бұрын
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