The Bible Was Never Intended to Be a Science Book

It is illogical to criticize the bible for not being what was never intended to be, it would be like getting mad at a dog for not being a cat! This is why I don't take seriously those who criticize the bible for not being "scientifically accurate". Check this out!

[@realitywins6457]

“The Bible wasn’t written to you. But it was written for you too.” (Favorite Heiser thought)

[@jimfarnell5813]

CHAS. H. Spurgeon once stated the idea that Bible needs defending is akin to me standing in front of the great cat intent on protecting him from an adversary instead of stepping aside and allowing him to take care of his own business… The central question, for me, is why do I believe what it says to the point of living my life aligned to its precepts?

[@Mercyme57]

Can anyone tell me did Mike address the word of faith movement (health wealth and happiness) from a proper biblical textual perspective…? If so any links…?

[@QuietPines]

Fantastically simple explanation

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Science has caught up with scriptures in many ways and now we know the stomach is intimately connected to the nervous system and plays such an important role on the brain it is sometimes called the second brain or the enteric nervous system. Shame so many don’t give the Word of God more credit.

[@nikhtzatzi]

humans understood that "anxiety=tummy hurts" . No revelation needed for that...

[@taylornovia8911]

In Luke 21 it says "All men will hate you because of me. But not a hair of your head will be *perish.*" This is relevant to this discussion. "Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds." Seeds arent technically alive like hair isnt considered alive either. Neither of these can perish or die because they arent alive to begin with. From a scientific POV, its like saying you killed a rock. So these examples are like calling Jonahs whale a fish and can be some trouble. Whales are mammals, not fish by scientific definition. But in Hebrew, "fish" is just a catch all word for all the animals who swim in the oceans if I recall correctly.

[@markwoodruff1984]

The animal genus system wasn't around in those days either so big fish = anything big that looked like a fish that swam in the water

[@regionsbeyond7336]

Wow

[@pamwingo4650]

Mike sure elevates the word of God. We don't need to protect God's word, love it, puts us in our place. He's God we are not!

[@your_name_here2158]

I fully disagree. he concedes ground to the Enemy here and accepts the religion of Scientism rather than the truth the Scriptures attest. We live on a Geocentric Enclosed Planar Dome earth, not on a ball hurling through space at 666 miles per hour

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Science has caught up with scriptures in many ways and now we know the stomach is intimately connected to the nervous system and plays such an important role on the brain it is sometimes called the second brain or the enteric nervous system. Shame so many don’t give the Word of God more credit.

[@Ragdollz]

If this question can ever make it over to Michael Heisers family.. I live in Wisconsin and was wondering if Michael or anyone in his family ever found a church that they found to be biblically sound & worth visiting? I’m having a hard time finding a good church in Wisconsin 😔

[@kansascityonline]

at 5:55 > when I was younger I would debate all those who claim the Bible is corrupt... That the Vatican held all the real books, etc etc.. Today, 40 some years later, I confidently make this simple claim: If - GOD IS - then - He can write a book and deliver it to the last person on the last day - as intended. IF - GOD IS NOT - then why bother with such vanity and futility. I thank the Lord for giving us Dr Heiser and his wonderful mind.. We shall meet one day - but not yet!..

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Umm, the bible doesn’t teach the planet earth is flat.

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

And people wonder why they don’t trust Heiser??

[@JulianGentry]

@@AllOtherNamesUsed When did he say it does teach that?

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

@@JulianGentry5:44 he states it as a known fact here. He’s also given other talks where he says this, and FE proponents cite Heiser as an authority on this.

[@Sherelle86]

​@@AllOtherNamesUsedLol Heiser isn't a flat earther and he doesn't claim to be in this video.

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

@@Sherelle86 Umm, I didn't say he was a flat earther. Please re-read and re-watch.

[@j.m.4858]

Awesome 😎

[@solidsnake497]

Seems seems like the heart of the issue for both sides of the flat earth discussion is biblical inerrancy.

[@thembamaselane5885]

Apart from this valid argument did Dr Heiser reject the many documented historic discoveries that came about with the person reading a text of scripture.

[@TheSilmarallion]

Nor is it a handbook on life its a guide to salvation, nothing more nor less.

[@joshlbiomechanic]

I think it is a handbook on life, most problems are related to this book. It is also scientific look at the dimensions of the ark

[@jephilologist]

6:38 Correct. No warrior in his right mind would use his body to shield his sword from harm. Nay- it is his sword that protects him, and it is his sword that gives him the power to fight.

[@theidolbabblerthedailydose33]

Gold

[@Mike--WA7QZR]

While the Bible doesn't speak directly to the things of science, we must make sure that the alleged discoveries of science are not allowed to usurp and overturn the contextually clear revelation of the Scripture.

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Science has caught up with scriptures in many ways and now we know the stomach is intimately connected to the nervous system and plays such an important role on the brain it is sometimes called the second brain or the enteric nervous system. Shame so many don’t give the Word of God more credit.

[@r.a.panimefan2109]

Ok. Then. I'm christian. But do some study on the hymen. What's described in deutronomy isn't factualy accurate. It's not meant to break. It isn't meant to bleed. Bleeding is from the vaginal wall from forceful penetration. Let that sink in. Glynvovologists the world over will tell u they can't determine the sexual status. Of the women. Of course femtards. Take that the next step. That virginity is a myth too. Which is ridiculous. But ya. Imperforate hymens(where the hymen has no hole and is a actual cover is a sever medical problem. Makes u wonder why most churches won't let girls go to glynocologists. Thing is I don't think deutronomy is fully the word of God. Jesus and jereimiah both say the scribes made the law a lie.

[@reillyyugehands481]

RIP Mike. RIP Globe.👍

[@your_name_here2158]

Shalom : )

[@Earthen_Vessel]

"See now that I, I am He, And there is no Elohim besides Me. I put to death and I make alive. I have wounded, and I heal. And from My hand no one delivers!" Deḇarim (Deuteronomy) 32:39 TS2009 "And יהושע called a little child to Him, set him in their midst, and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become as little children, you shall by no means enter into the reign of the heavens." Mattithyahu (Matthew) 18:2‭-‬3 TS2009

[@TrailofTruth]

Right, but if God says the earth is immovable and tells us why the sky is blue on the very first page, then it is so.

[@WGPower_Nonchalant_Cafe]

First of all bro You're reading that in English. Second of all the frame of reference issue not a broad statement

[@busfeet2080]

Yeah man, you have to be a flat earther who believes there is a giant glass dome over our planet to be a good Christian.

[@8_days_a_week]

@trailoroftruth truth. Believing God despite what worldly education attempts to seek, such as evolution. Submitting to His truth with faith, rather than to believe what is told in this world.

[@TrailofTruth]

@@WGPower_Nonchalant_Cafe huh? I just want people to wake up and know the truth...

[@TrailofTruth]

@@8_days_a_week Amen.

[@cryptojihadi265]

Nowhere in the Bible does it say the world os a flat disc. Flerfs just try to claim it does by taking clearly figurative language to imply it is flat. Notice the numerous times it does refer to the 4 corners of the Earth, yet they don't try to claim it's actually a square block.

[@jamesnobilio6247]

It says circle

[@cryptojihadi265]

@@jamesnobilio6247 Which is a Two-dimensional object, which means it has ZERO thickness, and only exists in our 3D reality as a concept. You can't touch a circle, let alone stand on it. Now IF you want to say, well God just meant a 3D version of a circle, then why didn't He say it? I mean if we HAVE to take everything literally, then God SHOULD have said, Disk or Cone, for your model or Sphere for the actual model. But, for the sake of argument, let's give God a pass for not knowing that a circle is a 2D object, but He obviously MEANT a 3D version of a circle. Well guess what? THAT'S a SPHERE. Look up the definition of a sphere and a circle, the only difference is the circle specifies all dots equidistant from a point IN A PLANE. The plane is what makes it 2D instead of 3D, as a plane has ZERO thickness. A Sphere is an object with all points equidistant from a center point WITHOUT the restriction of the plane which is what makes it a sphere, a 3D version of a circle. Now if He meant a disk or a cone, which is the typical model you Flerfs like to use, why didn't He say that? You literally have ZERO argument or ground to stand on. What's worse is you are blaspheming God's name, to make Him look like an idiot and all His followers. That we are no different than a cult that forces its believers to deny basic reality, that ANYONE can observe with their own eyes. You aren't defending the Bible or God's word, you are mocking it. Note you didn't even touch on the NUMEROUS verses that talk about the 4 CORNERS of the earth, which would make it a SQUARE. So quit being so intentionally ignorant. We were made in God's image and likeness, so we have similar characteristics and traits like Him. This means we are CREATIVE, we don't talk in JUST literal terms like a robot or an autistic child, we use figurative speech, and so does He! And it's clear to anyone not being intentionally ignorant when it's figurative and when it's literal.

[@zenvultra4457]

@@jamesnobilio6247 Does a circle have corners?

[@your_name_here2158]

The 6 yr old girl was right on both accounts. She made a better statement. Hers looks at the macro scale, the scientist is only focussed on what he thinks is observable. But the ability of a human life to be made is only because God knits us together in our mother's womb

[@tylerfisher2371]

I’m with you here. First time I’ve said, egh I don’t agree with you there Mike. Eat the flesh, spit out the bones

[@JoyinFlorida]

Right. And it says the earth is a non spinning ball. No science needed.

[@polktechnologysolutions5874]

I love Mike but, God isnt a 6 year old girl.... So. Even if YHVH didn't care or intend for flat earth to be literal but, still said it as "inspired scripture", it makes YHVH a liar. That's too far for me....

[@MaxwellKozen]

But God is not the direct, proximate author of scripture. The authors of scripture were the authors of scripture. God inspired them, sure, but "In the beginning, God created..." is not God's direct speech, but a human author talking *about* God. If we allow the human authors to be what they were - human authors, however inspired we might affirm they were - it spares us from having to attribute "6-year-old child" mental characteristics to God that rightfully belong more to us as finite humans with limited knowledge.

[@harrycraft3359]

That didn't really make sense to me,kept repeating th same points only made it worse😮

[@polktechnologysolutions5874]

@@MaxwellKozen taking that approach is 1) simply a "cop out" because if they were inspired to write something factually incorrect, ALL inspirational writings are to be considered to be possibly factually incorrect. That would include being saved by grace, Jesus being raised, sin not being violation of YHVH'S law, etc.... 2). It is a doctrine of accommodations which means YHVH allowed these flaws based on mans understanding at the time. This too makes him a liar by allowing error in his word which he states is without truthful error. If his word is true about the facts, not mistranslation or scribe commentary, then the earth is flat. If the Torah and New Testament are not truth proof, no point in believing ANY of it because you couldn't know if what you read is true or not.

[@MaxwellKozen]

@@polktechnologysolutions5874 your point #1 is just the fallacy of composition. Concerning #2 - I understand where you're coming from and why you'd expect that kind of unilateral consistency, but I don't think that does justice to what is actually presented in scripture. There are simply too many instances in the bible where things happen or are said that only make sense in light of the culture of the time. Heiser himself pointed to some really compelling work that was done, for example, on how Greco-Roman understanding of human anatomy and hair affected the head covering instructions in 1 Cor. 11. The "science" of the time doesn't measure up to what we know today, but that doesn't take away from the ethical point Paul is making in that passage. I dunno. Suit yourself of course, but to me the expectation that the whole Bible be 100% scientifically accurate on every front actually strikes me as more of a capitulation to secular humanism/empiricism/logical positivism than an actual rebuttal to them.

[@polktechnologysolutions5874]

@@MaxwellKozen I enjoy the civil discord. Just can't wrap my head around saying the Bible has factual errors in it. That's completely different then not understanding context due to cultural differences. In fact, the two aren't even related. If any claim in scripture, of any magnitude, is provably false, then all scripture must necessarily be thrown out because one couldn't know if any other claim is indeed true... (how could you trust a liar?) I would like to ask, besides biblical cosmology, can you name any other claim presented in the Bible that is provably false? Not cultural misunderstandings or other non-specfic points such as debated doctrinal points, rather claims that are (by the writers) thought to be true but are in fact not true? If there is one, I can't think of it. If there isn't, maybe flat earth is also actually true and people just need to deal with that reality.

[@risingstorm1]

Thank you…..

[@your_name_here2158]

Heiser is dead wrong here. He is also sadly no longer with us. I wish he was. Perhaps he would have repented. He chose Scientism over Scripture and will have to answer to Yahuah about that.

[@joshuamelton9148]

Yahuah is a fictional Hebrew name.

[@valkyrie3493]

Explain how the earth was created in 6 calender days when science says otherwise. It's you who still get it wrong.

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

The Bible doesn't need to be a science book to make true statements which are scientifically accurate. And the Bible clearly & explicitly teaches a Flat and Stationary Earth from cover to cover. Dr. Heiser said this himself, at one point. He argued the Bible does teach that but it just isnt true in reality. I knew at that moment - when he publicly said the Bible teaches a Flat Earth - he was in trouble. So, of course he tried covering up for it afterward because I'm sure he got a reaction for saying that.

[@your_name_here2158]

Well the reason I believe that, other than the fact that all the agencies that promote Globe and heliocentricism are liars, is that the Bible says it. We live on a Flat Earth, it is a plane with mountains and deeps. It is enclosed with a dome and oceans above the dome. The sun orbits earth, not the other way around. Scripture is a Science book and it is right.

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

@@herr.schmidt I have content up covering much of that. It's the one in which I refute mainstream Christians on Cosmology. Check it out, I cover many verses.

[@GaryCrant]

Where does the Bible teach a flat and stationary earth? The Bible just uses observational language, which makes sense. Even now we still talk about sun rise and sunset even though we know it’s technically wrong. Why? Observational language.

[@GaryCrant]

@@ElizabethV01NOR I don’t think you read or understood my comment. Literally every scripture you mentioned uses observational language. Some of these expressions are even used until this day. The Bible wasn’t written to the 21st century audience. So it makes sense that God inspired these scriptures in a language that was understandable for the initial audience. And even today I know what is meant with „the sun rises“ or these other examples (and if you’re honest you must admit that you understand them as well). It’s not that hard to understand. What’s amazing is that these texts could be understood by its audience several thousand years ago. And they can still be understood today. That’s the reason these verses were written in observational language. And not just that, there’s another dimension to this. Even a child can understand what is meant with „the sun is setting“ or „the heaven is spread out like a tent“. So adults and children during the Iron Age, classical antiquity or even the 21st century can understand these verses. Because the Bible was written to be the universal word of God for all people (even though us today are not the initial audience).

[@LukaMagda1]

They are not both wrong.

[@Thesecondcomingpodcast]

Wrong again Heiser….the Bible is literally a psychological science book

[@joshuamelton9148]

Can the bible answer the question on how to change a tire.

[@yahswillsoaring150]

Funny how the Bible is a knows the begining and the end book,diatery book,a history book,it's a therapiticle book,but when comes to a science book , you're discrediting the book

[@joshuamelton9148]

The bible doesn't have the answer to everything such as how to change a tire and that is ok.

[@RestoringReality]

Genesis was right. We don't live on a ball and it's dishonest to suggest that we do. Still, there's no point in picking on a dead man. Michael knows the truth of biblical cosmology, the apostate Paul and the little season of Satan's deception now and I do appreciate all his hard work anyway.

[@your_name_here2158]

Thank you for stating the correct belief about the Ball being a lie. Shalom

[@nothingnothing7958]

According to the Biblical model the sun and moon are within the firmament( atmosphere) so how come a plane cant fly to the sun?

[@RestoringReality]

@@nothingnothing7958 You think you live on the surface of a ball covered by mostly water moving four directions at once all faster than the speed of sound but none detectable by scientific instruments or man's God given senses because you don't the answer to this question? Maybe the sun, moon and stars are not on one side of the firmament or the other but within it, such as inside the firmament.

[@nothingnothing7958]

@@RestoringReality then why cant we fly a helicopter to the firmament and observe the sun and moon?

[@RestoringReality]

@@nothingnothing7958 I can see you are asking genuine questions instead of lobbing insults at a matter you don't agree with so I want to let you know that I appreciate it. Thank you. We can't investigate much of our realm because the people who are responsible for the lie also rule the world and don't allow us to go anywhere near the firmament. If a pilot or a boat captain ever gets out of their pre-approved lane they will very quickly lose thier license and get arrested. Not only are we legally prevented from going to the middle of the plane but we also can't go to the exterior of it either. Ask yourself how an airplane that travels 500 miles an hour can fly from Los Angeles to New York at all if the earth is also turning at roughly a thousand miles an hour in the same direction. It would never be possible to catch up. As well, if you are going in the other direction, against the spin, from New York to LA, you should be able to go from the east coast to the west waaay faster. However, in reality it's the opposite of that. West to East is 5 hours and 20 minutes but East to West is 6 hours and 20 minutes. Truthfully if the earth is actually spinning counter clockwise at a thousand miles an hour it would be faster to go from the west coast to the east coast by flying west around the entire ball because the plane could never catch up if the earth is spinning twice as fast at the plane flys. Also, imagine a plane landing on a north/south runway, perpendicular to the spin that is moving faster than the speed of sound. The second the rubber ties hit the tarmack, the plane instantly flip over sideways, killing everyone aboard. The airlines would be sued out of business instantly and it would be a terrible business model. Back to that helicopter. If the earth is spinning counter clockwise at a thousand miles an hour you would be able to lift a helicopter off the ground on the east coast, hover for two and a half hours and land on the west coast two and a half hours later. It'd be the same with a hot air balloon.

[@HopeOnTheStreets394]

Biblical cosmology (Flat Earth) lead me to the bible and i got saved. The sun, moon and stars is moving whilst earth is motionless, the bible says it and your God giving senses back the word up.

[@inspector7756]

gotta love all these troll bots propping up heiser

[@chestradamusteutonic4336]

By that reasoning, the Bible never intended to be a history book either. That’s probavly how you can explain away any lies in the Bible. Was Paul a liar? Paul basically starts this first letter to the Corinthians of as a defense: “This is my defense to those who sit in judgment on me.” (1 Corinthians 9:3) So what is he being accused of? It seems though as if he is accused of accepting money for his ministry and as if it is implied that taking money is bad, and so he disagrees; For the next 9 Verses, he goes on and explains how a worker should get paid for his work! However, in verse 13, he denies having received anything! He than goes on for 2 more verses about how he really should have gotten paid, to than state in verse 15: “But I have not used any of these rights. And I am not writing this in the hope that you will do such things for me, for I would rather die than allow anyone to deprive me of this boast.” Paul, Paul, Paul. You care to much what people think of you. Just kidding. But you really should let go of this pride. Stop the “imitate me, imitating Christ” elevation! Now in second corinthians, it seems as if Paul is writing another defense in chapter 11. He seems to be worried that the poor souls in Corinth are being deceived; 3: I am afraid, however, that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may be led astray from your simple and pure devotion to Christ. 4: For if someone comes and proclaims a Jesus other than the One we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit than the One you received, or a different gospel than the one you accepted, you put up with it way too easily. But what is that they may get deceived by? Let’s continue reading; After two more humble self-exaltations, we read in verse 7:Was it a sin for me to humble myself in order to exalt you, because I preached the gospel of God to you free of charge. Now remember in his first letter, how he stated he would rather die than accepting payment for his service and compare that with the next 3 verses. 8: I robbed other churches by accepting their support in order to serve you. 9: And when I was with you and in need, I was not a burden to anyone; for the brothers who came from Macedonia supplied my needs. I have refrained from being a burden to you in any way, and I will continue to do so. I robbed other churches. He makes it sound like he is trying to be funny here, yet it sounds like that this is exactly what the church in Corinth was accusing him of. However, at least he does admit that he in fact did receive payment for his work, just not from them, so I guess he technically wasn’t lying. Or was he? 15 Moreover, as you Philippians know, in the early days of your acquaintance with the gospel, when I set out from Macedonia, not one church shared with me in the matter of giving and receiving, except you only; 16 For even when I was in Thessalonica, you sent me aid more than once when I was in need. 17 Not that I desire your gifts; what I desire is that more be credited to your account. 18 I have received full payment and have more than enough. I am amply supplied, now that I have received from Epaphroditus the gifts you sent. They are a fragrant offering, an acceptable sacrifice, pleasing to God. See according to acts, Paul visited Phillip first, as we find his visit recorded in Acts 16:11-40. Now his first visit to Corinth, we find in Acts 18:1-17 with another “painful” (2Corinthians 1:1) one in Acts 20:2-3. The point is, Paul was telling them he would rather die than receive payment in his first letter. Than he admits having received payment and “robbing” other churches. (Yes, perhaps he meant robbing sarcastically. However, there is also the chance that he simply was using their own term in the accusation letter that must have preceded his response!) And in Phillipians he also admits of getting paid for his mission, and not just paid, but paid very well! Again, as always, I can explain all this away, there was another secret visit before his official first visit to Corinth and so on. But it takes a lot more imagination than it would take to simply accept that Paul - You know the guy famous for uttering “I am not lying” over and over again in his letters - had been caught lying.

[@valkyrie3493]

So what's your point? 🌚 🌚 🌚